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Thrash is a must go. He is a holdover from the Norv days, once a great ST guy, but not a very good WR anymore. In hindsight, we should have never reacquired him from the Eagles. Jason Taylor is a waste of roster space. He had one stellar game at the end and a bunch of folks got visions of JT dancing in their heads. The guy is on the downward slope of his career. WE need a young guy that will be around for at least 4 years. Springs should be cut for sure. Guy can't put together 3 games without being hurt.

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I say bring back Jerome Mathis. That's my entire plan for the offseason.

[quote=53Fan;523481]Just for you Dirtbag. :) [URL="http://www.draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=PlayerProfile2&id=984"]Alex Mack, Center California : NFL Draft Prospect[/URL][/quote]

Well I'll be damned.

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[quote=Mattyk72;523411]I agree, these crazy offseason plans by some people that involve cutting half the roster are just ridiculous. Our hands are tied with some big contracts and a limited number of draft picks. Those hoping for drastic changes to the roster are going to be really disappointed.[/quote]

I think you're right Matty, people think things are going to be fixed right away. I hope the fans and the ownership are patient enough to let the team get out of these cap-killing contracts of old players that can't contribute anymore, and over time be able to add youth into the team. Reading the latest JLC article on RI, it sounds like we're going to be keeping the likes of Griffin, Jensen, and Thomas. Let's hope the team is able to patch up the team to keep us over .500, and that some of the young players the team has are able to develop and contribute (although hearing that Rineheart is not wowing anyone at Redskins Park is disappointing to hear).

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[quote=Paintrain;523205]I'm going to sit back and see what we do in the first 2 weeks after the Super Bowl with our older vets before getting my expectations up or down for the offseason. That's going to set the tone for our spring and summer and ultimately next season.[/quote]

Same here!

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Why did i come across this...See what Fred Smoot is doing during Post Season
[url=http://www.smackenergybar.com/v2/2009/01/27/what-is-fred-smoot-doing-during-post-season/]What is Fred Smoot doing during Post Season | Fred Smoot's Smack Energy Bar[/url]

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Alright here is what we do. Sign Gross and draft Mack at 13. This will instantly improve our line which in return
instantly improves Campbell which instantly improves our WR which instantly improves our running game. You see guys its all pretty simple and yes I am god.

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Given JLCs blog entry yesterday, it seems the skins are planning to keep our defense in tact (for the most part) and focus on our offense. This makes a certain level of sense, since this is JCs contract year and we need to decide if he is our franchise QB or not - this year, we have to do as much as we can to help him out, so there will be no excuses for poor performance on his part in 2009. In JLCs article, it was indicated that the team needs 2 new starting guards, a new starting RT, an explosive running back to compliment Portis, and a real WR. Evidently, we will also likely be fairly inactive in free agency.

I also am chosing to beleive the rumors that we are interested in acquiring more draft picks, both by trading down in the draft and in trading players for draft picks (Rogers, Moss, Betts, and Monty have all allegedly been dangled). If all that is true, here is my revised proposal/prediction for our 2009 offseason:

[B][U]Noteable Cuts[/U][/B]
1. Jason Taylor
2.Shawn Springs
3. Marcus Washington
4. James Thrash

[B][U]Trade [/U][/B]
1. Rogers for a 2nd round pick (I dont like it, but i think its what the skins are trying to do),
2. Moss for a 3rd and 4th (its been rumored the skins want a 2nd but i dont think theyll get it).

[B][U]Noteable Free Agent Signings [/U][/B]
1. [U]DeAngelo Hall [/U]
2. [U]Channing Crowder [/U]- He's really an ILB, but its been reported Miami is low-balling him on an extension and he wants to test free agency. He's been playing ILB, but I think we move him outside to replace Washington. Ideally, we would sign Dansby, but he's going to be too expensive.
3. [U]Phillip Buchannon [/U]- He's no longer an elite corner but an older guy familiar with our style of defense. We need someone to replace Rogers and he could start alongside Hall for the time being .
4.[U]Amani Toomer[/U]- I think we actively pursue Devery Henderson but he is out of our price range. Toomer wants to stay in the division so he signs with the skins and is penciled in as a starter to replace Moss.
5. [U]Pete Kendall[/U]

[B][U]Draft[/U][/B]
-Skins Trade down in the first round with somone in the 19-21 range and pick up a 2nd round pick. Remember, we have also acquired a 1 pick each in rounds 2, 3 and 4 by trading Moss and Rogers.

1 -[U] Eben Britton, OT, AZ[/U] - (Britton becomes our starting RT. His stock has been rising and falling alot recently, but most mocks have him being available in this range. Another option is OT William Betty, UCONN.

2 - [U]Herman Johnson, G, LSU [/U] Competes to replace either Kendall or Thomas immediately.

2 - [U]Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC [/U] Moala can play inside and outside on the line. We pick him up for his versatility and hope he can work his way to a starting role in the future.

3 - [U]Trevor Canfield, G, Cincy [/U] We drafted a dud with Rinehart last year. Hopefully we get it right this year.

3 - [U]Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas[/U] Hopefully, Luigs can replace Rabach in 2010.

4, 5, 6 - I see us drafting atleast one LB here, and possibly a DB and/or RB.

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Unfortunately our team has so little depth on our lines, you can literally pick any lineman or linebacker and have it be a great pick. Which sucks because it means Vinny will have an alright offseason no matter what but If you look at what this guys done over the past few years it's directly his fault this happened. For three straight years we didn't have more then one pick before the 4th round. And we never took lineman with that one pick.

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And the whole Thomas Kelly Davis BPA thing is such bullshit, thats just Vinny being an absolutle dumbass because he has no idea how to pick lineman. Absolutley no idea. Then he picks up Chad Rhinehart in the 3rd round like thats going to solve the whole thing.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;523646]Unfortunately our team has so little depth on our lines, you can literally pick [B]any[/B] lineman or linebacker and have it be a great pick.[/quote]

Selecting Chad Rinehart disproves that point.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523648]Selecting Chad Rinehart disproves that point.[/quote]

With our 13th pick

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523631]Given JLCs blog entry yesterday, it seems the skins are planning to keep our defense in tact (for the most part) and focus on our offense. This makes a certain level of sense, since this is JCs contract year and we need to decide if he is our franchise QB or not - this year, we have to do as much as we can to help him out, so there will be no excuses for poor performance on his part in 2009. In JLCs article, it was indicated that the team needs 2 new starting guards, a new starting RT, an explosive running back to compliment Portis, and a real WR. Evidently, we will also likely be fairly inactive in free agency.

I also am chosing to beleive the rumors that we are interested in acquiring more draft picks, both by trading down in the draft and in trading players for draft picks (Rogers, Moss, Betts, and Monty have all allegedly been dangled). If all that is true, here is my revised proposal/prediction for our 2009 offseason:

[B][U]Noteable Cuts[/U][/B]
1. Jason Taylor
2.Shawn Springs
3. Marcus Washington
4. James Thrash

[B][U]Trade [/U][/B]
1. Rogers for a 2nd round pick (I dont like it, but i think its what the skins are trying to do),
2. Moss for a 3rd and 4th (its been rumored the skins want a 2nd but i dont think theyll get it).

[B][U]Noteable Free Agent Signings [/U][/B]
1. [U]DeAngelo Hall [/U]
2. [U]Channing Crowder [/U]- He's really an ILB, but its been reported Miami is low-balling him on an extension and he wants to test free agency. He's been playing ILB, but I think we move him outside to replace Washington. Ideally, we would sign Dansby, but he's going to be too expensive.
3. [U]Phillip Buchannon [/U]- He's no longer an elite corner but an older guy familiar with our style of defense. We need someone to replace Rogers and he could start alongside Hall for the time being .
4.[U]Amani Toomer[/U]- I think we actively pursue Devery Henderson but he is out of our price range. Toomer wants to stay in the division so he signs with the skins and is penciled in as a starter to replace Moss.
5. [U]Pete Kendall[/U]

[B][U]Draft[/U][/B]
-Skins Trade down in the first round with somone in the 19-21 range and pick up a 2nd round pick. Remember, we have also acquired a 1 pick each in rounds 2, 3 and 4 by trading Moss and Rogers.

1 -[U] Eben Britton, OT, AZ[/U] - (Britton becomes our starting RT. His stock has been rising and falling alot recently, but most mocks have him being available in this range. Another option is OT William Betty, UCONN.

2 - [U]Herman Johnson, G, LSU [/U] Competes to replace either Kendall or Thomas immediately.

2 - [U]Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC [/U] Moala can play inside and outside on the line. We pick him up for his versatility and hope he can work his way to a starting role in the future.

3 - [U]Trevor Canfield, G, Cincy [/U] We drafted a dud with Rinehart last year. Hopefully we get it right this year.

3 - [U]Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas[/U] Hopefully, Luigs can replace Rabach in 2010.

4, 5, 6 - I see us drafting atleast one LB here, and possibly a DB and/or RB.[/quote]

This sounds reasonable. Unlike some of the other posts, it can actually be done. All we need is a little luck and a few fish have to bite. It's still a 10-6 season at best. I think we'll need to keep drafting the lines for a couple of years, with a flash position for need here and there, before we can get up to speed.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;523655]This sounds reasonable. Unlike some of the other posts, it can actually be done. All we need is a little luck and a few fish have to bite. It's still a 10-6 season at best. I think we'll need to keep drafting the lines for a couple of years, with a flash position for need here and there, before we can get up to speed.[/quote]

I agree. Its fairly rare for guys drafted beyond the 2nd round to ever amount to anything of significance. The important thing is to make the picks in those two rounds really count.

When I look at our lines (9 starting positions) and I look at our current roster, the only guy I see starting in two years is Samuels... and he will almost certainly be gone in 5. So over the next 2-3 drafts, its imperative to accumulate as many picks in rounds 1-2 as possible and then make very smart decisions.

I would also consider trading our 3rd rounder this year for a 2nd next year if someone is willing to make the trade. and if a team offers a 2nd or 3rd for a player this year (moss or rogers), ask for a 1st or 2nd next year instead.

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It makes no sense to trade rogers and make cb a position of need. He get paid 1/4 of what Shawn Springs does and about 1/2 of what Hall will. He performs statiscally at better rate then either of them just Hall gets mor ints. Moss isn't going to get traded, Zorn has made that pretty clear with his claims of how much he needed him so much last season he wouldn't even let him return punts because it would put him at risk. It also makes no sense to trade guys picked at 9 and 16 overall for 2 or third rounders especially when they are key players on our team.

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Although it wouldn't fill our line needs I would be fine with picking maualuga hes going to be a beast in the nfl for years. But the lines have to be our top priority.

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I can see your point about Rogers. Either way, he's being dangled as trade bait.
Moss on the other hand could be traded. It would burn us a little to do so with the cap. But he's on the downside not the up. Besides, what good is a #1 receiver if the Quarterback holds the ball for too long or gets sacked all the time?
I would be happy with the picks we have as long as we get a OT, C, or DT with the first pick.

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Moss is getting old and I would love to see young lineman coming in here but right now we don't have anybody to take over for him at all ARE is not the answer neither is thomas. I still think he's a huge playmaker and if we can actually get him the ball without two people on him hell prove himself.

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Rogers is being dangled but well see how it plays out, I don't think they're going to be stupid about it and make a bad deal again. They got burned so hard with Taylor last year they're going to be very critical with all the decisions we make.

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I think well also see Moss getting more action in unique roles like returns and reverses which will be a good thing the guy can make plays.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;523670]It makes no sense to trade rogers and make cb a position of need. He get paid 1/4 of what Shawn Springs does and about 1/2 of what Hall will. He performs statiscally at better rate then either of them just Hall gets mor ints. Moss isn't going to get traded, [B]Zorn has made that pretty clear with his claims of how much he needed him so much last season he wouldn't even let him return punts because it would put him at risk.[/B] It also makes no sense to trade guys picked at 9 and 16 overall for 2 or third rounders especially when they are key players on our team.[/quote]

I thought you said Z was against letting him return punts? If I do recall he had the only punt return for a touchdown for the whole season. You can't double team a man when he's a punt returner. Might as well let him return them. It's better than him cleaning off his shoes or punching guys with helmets on. he he he

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[quote=GusFrerotte;523485]Thrash is a must go. He is a holdover from the Norv days, once a great ST guy, but not a very good WR anymore. In hindsight, we should have never reacquired him from the Eagles. Jason Taylor is a waste of roster space. He had one stellar game at the end and a bunch of folks got visions of JT dancing in their heads. The guy is on the downward slope of his career. WE need a young guy that will be around for at least 4 years. Springs should be cut for sure. Guy can't put together 3 games without being hurt.[/quote]

Agreed on all points Gus. Taylor just costs us so much and we should be able to get a value DE in FA. WRT Springs, I basically see Hall as his replacement on our roster... it bugs me the FO is sort of looking at Hall to replace Los. Lord knows i've been mad as hell at Los plenty of days for hoofing the pigskin when he should have caught it, but he is young talent on an otherwise aging team. He also learned how to catch in the last game of the season, right? LOL.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;523683]I thought you said Z was against letting him return punts? If I do recall he had the only punt return for a touchdown for the whole season. You can't double team a man when he's a punt returner. Might as well let him return them. It's better than him cleaning off his shoes or [B]punching guys with helmets on[/B]. he he he[/quote]

That was pretty stupid but at least he showed some fire. :boxing:

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[quote=53Fan;523724]That was pretty stupid but at least he showed some fire. :boxing:[/quote]

Yeah, especially when you make your living with your hands.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;523683]I thought you said Z was against letting him return punts? If I do recall he had the only punt return for a touchdown for the whole season. You can't double team a man when he's a punt returner. Might as well let him return them. It's better than him cleaning off his shoes or punching guys with helmets on. he he he[/quote]

Dude don't be an idiot. Zorn was questioned about this for an entire press conference after the game and said he would only throw Moss back to return maybe once a game just for a change up from Randle El. He said there was no way Moss was going to be a regular return man.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;523767]Dude don't be an idiot. Zorn was questioned about this for an entire press conference after the game and said he would only throw Moss back to return maybe once a game just for a change up from Randle El. He said there was no way Moss was going to be a regular return man.[/quote]

I don't remember El returning a punt for a touchdown?

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Because he didn't.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/skins_first_set_of_personnel_m.html#comments]Initial Personnel Ratings Completed - Redskins Insider[/url]

Having read this article I'm satisfied knowing that Cerratto is a pathetic idiot, who's going to do exactly what he wants again this year and for absolutley no explanation at all is the only GM running around in the league with absolutley zero accountability to the retardness of his actions. They have done this for 10 years and it hasn't worked. Lets hang onto our 10 ancient veterans who we over payed and claim that they play at a high level although there is no production to speak of. Only make priorities that we will actually act upon high level free agents. And make ridiculous choices regarding the draft be it trading our picks for old players or now unbeleivably trading our good young players for lower rounded picks then they were drafted.

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It's so amazing now that the only real decision they're going to make is bringing in a big name RT. I cant ****ing belive this.

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The only untouchables on our team in no order are:

Cooley
Samuels
Fletch
Landry
Horton
Campbell-he's cheap


Everybody else I'm not sure about. Yes, Moss & CP, the oline can all be bargaining pieces or cut material (aside from the financial obligations).

I'd like to see this core group have a great year next year, it's just I'm not optimistic about it.

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[quote=redsk1;523810]The only untouchables on our team in no order are:

Cooley
Samuels
Fletch
Landry
Horton
Campbell-he's cheap


Everybody else I'm not sure about. Yes, Moss & CP, the oline can all be bargaining pieces or cut material (aside from the financial obligations).

I'd like to see this core group have a great year next year, it's just I'm not optimistic about it.[/quote]

Horton and Campbell are not untouchable. Both are expendable with low cap numbers and have trade value. Whether trading them is in the best interests of the team is another matter, and depends on whether they are more valuable to the team than they are in terms of trade value. Both will probably be kept, but they are by no means "untouchable."

The true "untouchables" on this team are the players who large amounts of money garaunteed to them - Portis, Jansen, Thomas, Samuels, Cooley, and Carter come to mind off the top of my head. And make no mistake, Jansen, Thomas, and Carter, and possibly Portis would all be cut if the team could do so without the team taking a significant cap hit. If Cooley had not just signed such a huge contract and trading him didnt involve the team taking a cap hit well north of 10M, we'd already be in discussion to trade him for a 1st rounder. This is a business and there is no such thing as loyalty between players and fans. When it comes to someone being "untouchable," Financials are the one and only thing that matters. You cant ignore them.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;523782]It's so amazing now that the only real decision they're going to make is bringing in a big name RT. I cant ****ing belive this.[/quote]

you dont know that. All you know is that JLC and one of his sources thinks the team will take a RT with their 1st pick. They have 3 other picks in the draft as of right now and will probably acquire more via trading down. Then theres the fact that the team has reportedly been interested in shopping Moss, Rogers, Montgommery, Betts, and other players.

Also, the article said the team has not rated potential free agents yet. When it does, it will identify free agents who would constitute upgrades over guys we currently have here. Even if we only go after "value guys" we can undoubtably find value free agents who constitute upgrades over our current players.

We have more than a month before free agency starts and more than 2 months before the draft. The team has just STARTED the process. They havent even begun to finalize the decisions they will make yet.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;523767]Dude don't be an idiot. Zorn was questioned about this for an entire press conference after the game and said he would only throw Moss back to return maybe once a game just for a change up from Randle El. He said there was no way Moss was going to be a regular return man.[/quote]

That will likely change this year. Zorn was adamant about not wanting to make wholesale changes to our return game mid-season. He indicated that he would investigate doing so after the season. If Moss is still on roster opening day (which i highly doubt), ARE will not be returning punts. In fact, even if Moss is gone, the area will be addressed somewhere else. AREs last year of being the regular PR was 2008.

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I wonder if it would be worth going after Stacy Andrews and/or Shayne Graham from Cincy. Both would fill needs, both are UFAs...

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[quote=GMScud;523844]I wonder if it would be worth going after Stacy Andrews and/or Shayne Graham from Cincy. Both would fill needs, both are UFAs...[/quote]

I would love to see us go after Graham but based on what JLC said, he would seem to be too "high profile"

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523839]Horton and Campbell are not untouchable. Both are expendable with low cap numbers and have trade value. Whether trading them is in the best interests of the team is another matter, and depends on whether they are more valuable to the team than they are in terms of trade value. Both will probably be kept, but they are by no means "untouchable."

The true "untouchables" on this team are the players who large amounts of money garaunteed to them - Portis, Jansen, Thomas, Samuels, Cooley, and Carter come to mind off the top of my head. And make no mistake, Jansen, Thomas, and Carter, and possibly Portis would all be cut if the team could do so without the team taking a significant cap hit. If Cooley had not just signed such a huge contract and trading him didnt involve the team taking a cap hit well north of 10M, we'd already be in discussion to trade him for a 1st rounder. This is a business and there is no such thing as loyalty between players and fans. When it comes to someone being "untouchable," Financials are the one and only thing that matters. You cant ignore them.[/quote]

Cooley is untouchable and is not even worth mentioning. He's the face of the franchise basically now. 2 PB's in a row. Performs every week. What's not to like about Cooley? He's perhaps our best asset.

Yes, financials are a big part of it..maybe the biggest part of it, w/ the way our "FO" handles it's contracts. I got blasted a couple years ago b/c i made a point that it's eventually going to come back and bite us. It's starting to bite us. We can't get rid of old guys. I guess my point was if you could somehow get rid of certain old players for trades, picks, or just by cutting them, let's do it and move on.

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I think if you start off determining who your players are - based on money first, then you are in trouble as a team. I understand that there's a balance and the salary cap does play an important part in it, but when you start ranking and determining player's values based first on how much they affect the cap, I think that your scale of judgment and decision-making doesn't fit with what you are trying to accomplish.

I guess it's a sign of the times when you start looking at the financial situation first.

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We should be prepared for this offseason to be very similar to last offseason, just without the draft picks. Not much FA activity, mostly the same stale, old roster and praying we make it thru OTA's and camp without many injuries.

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[quote=Paintrain;523936]We should be prepared for this offseason to be very similar to last offseason, just without the draft picks. Not much FA activity, mostly the same stale, old roster and praying we make it thru OTA's and camp without many injuries.[/quote]

Much better than overpaying free agents that have bust written all over it or trading our draft picks away. Once again, the Redskins are not going to get out of the hole they dug themselves in two, three seasons ago with these overpriced free agents and contract re-structures. I'm just glad they are not doing this crap anymore.

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[quote=Ruhskins;523940]Much better than overpaying free agents that have bust written all over it or trading our draft picks away. Once again, the Redskins are not going to get out of the hole they dug themselves in two, three seasons ago with these overpriced free agents and contract re-structures. I'm just glad they are not doing this crap anymore.[/quote]

I agree about overpaying older free agents and trading draft picks. Thanks to Gibbs we are about 3 more years away from building a competitive roster but it would have been nice to be able to address needs and shed contracts this offseason.

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[quote=Paintrain;523946]I agree about overpaying older free agents and trading draft picks. Thanks to Gibbs we are about 3 more years away from building a competitive roster but it would have been nice to be able to address needs and shed contracts this offseason.[/quote]

True, I was of the mindset of slash and cut old players, but I think the cap gurus show that this is not possible.