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[quote=FRPLG;524819]Here is where Obama is making points with me. Ignoring policy debates and politics in general the one thing that killed me about Bush's administration, and most politicians in general, is that when they did screw up (and they all do) they never owned up to it. I don't know why it is so hard for politicians to say "yeah we f'ed that up". A lot of the stuff anchoring Bush was smaller stuff that they could have diffused with honesty and openess. Instead it was always cloak and dagger/stay on message. What is it with these people? It's like they have no clue about actual human social patterns. Seriously, they all need to take a cue from the Simpson and appoint a Secretary of keepin' it real. Looks like Obama is trying.[/quote]

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;524844]I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.[/quote]

Actually I agree. Personally I don't much care whether they do or not as it applies to my own feelings. I just know basic human social patterns indicate that from a logical and practical standpoint it is rarely if ever better to obscure the truth in these types of situations. They get points back when they say the screwed up from lots of people. Why they don't see this is baffling. It actually makes you wonder how many things go on that we never know about. I guess it'd have to be a pretty good amount of situations they successfully keep obscured to overcome the obvious and tremendous negativity they get whenever they are discovered.

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If you don't/can't say "I screwed up" how can you have a conversation about how to rectify the problem?

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[quote=724Skinsfan;524844]I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. [B]I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader[/B].[/quote]

I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. Somebody is going to find out, you might as well own up to it. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.

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[quote=saden1;524861]If you don't/can't say "I screwed up" how can you have a conversation about how to rectify the problem?[/quote]
Well there's a difference between saying it and meaning it. In either case, whether you openly admit it or not, meaning and knowing it is more important than saying it to me. I would guess there are plenty of times that politicians know they screwed up and don't say it. Telling everyone just helps make them feel better.

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[quote=FRPLG;524877]Well there's a difference between saying it and meaning it. In either case, whether you openly admit it or not, meaning and knowing it is more important than saying it to me. I would guess there are plenty of times that politicians know they screwed up and don't say it. Telling everyone just helps make them feel better.[/quote]

True true, and of course you can't say I screwed up all the time or you'll lose creditability. So long as people are being held accountable and the days of "I don't know," "I don't recall," "heck of a job," "so what?" are behind us I'm a happy camper.

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^^ That's what I'm talking about.

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[quote=Angry;524862]I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. [B]Somebody is going to find out,[/B] [B]you might as well own up to it[/B]. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.[/quote]

I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;524904]I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.[/quote]

[FONT=Arial]That post was making a statement in response to the posters comment that I bolded. It wasn't necessarily a statement about this particular issue. As far as that goes it's just political etiquette. I think that they take a course on it in college "How to appear to kiss ass 101".[/FONT]

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[quote=724Skinsfan;524844]I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.[/quote]

Doing a good job? What has he done? I don't mean that in a bad way but I just don't think he has reall had time to do anything rather good or bad.

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We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.

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[URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29003620"][COLOR=#07519a]President imposes exec pay limits[/COLOR][/URL] | [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=29014841&#29014841"][COLOR=#07519a]Video[/COLOR][/URL]
how is this for a start?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;524922]We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.[/quote]


A lot of his choices? He's appointed at least a dozen or more cabinet members and many more have been hired, and you bring up two?

And please don't compare Daschle with Harriet Meyers.

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[quote=dmek25;524925][URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29003620"][COLOR=#07519a]President imposes exec pay limits[/COLOR][/URL] | [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=29014841&#29014841"][COLOR=#07519a]Video[/COLOR][/URL]
how is this for a start?[/quote]

It's red meat for the mob. There's nothing wrong with being compensated for doing good work but these mofo lost 35 billion and yet paid themselves nearly 20 billion in bonuses. They can go f*** themselves, I am sure they'll "quite their jobs" due to the pay cut and find an employer outside the financial industry willing to hire them and pay them handsomely :rofl:

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[quote=dmek25;524925][URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29003620"][COLOR=#07519a]President imposes exec pay limits[/COLOR][/URL] | [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=29014841&#29014841"][COLOR=#07519a]Video[/COLOR][/URL]
how is this for a start?[/quote]
I think that about as dumb as they come. So now these guys move on to another job and no one worth a damb will take the job. Sounds good but I think it will have a negative effect not positive.

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[quote=saden1;524941]It's red meat for the mob. There's nothing wrong with being compensated for doing good work but these mofo lost 35 billion and yet paid themselves nearly 20 billion in bonuses. They can go f*** themselves, I am sure they'll "quite their jobs" due to the pay cut and find an employer outside the financial industry willing to hire them and pay them handsomely :rofl:[/quote]
First off your right they will quit and no one worth a damb will take the job with those pay restrictions. Second they did not set their pay the stock holders and board members voted for their pay. Its called a contract and if the board made that bad of a choice and drew up that bad of a deal its the boards fault. Its like us bitching because the Skins paid JT 8 million and he had just a couple of sacks.

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"The administration also will propose long-term compensation restrictions even for companies that don’t receive government assistance, Obama said."

WOW, why not the Obama admit that they want to take over the banking so they can control all our dam money. They have allready talked about taking over our 401k plans and I'm sure they can f that up as bad as SS so we have nothing left and have to beg them for all our needs.

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[quote=12thMan;524934]A lot of his choices? He's appointed at least a dozen or more cabinet members and many more have been hired, and you bring up two?

And please don't compare Daschle with Harriet Meyers.[/quote]

You'r right Harriet Meyers wasn't a lobbyist for the Health Care Industry.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Daschle]Tom Daschle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

I didn't bring up two. Those are just the latest. Bill Richardson withdrew for reasons unknown. Let's not forget Leon Panetta. The Democrats didn't even like that choice.

[url=http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/06/americas/cia.php]Top Democrats question Obama choice for CIA - International Herald Tribune[/url]

Why are you getting upset? I mean if it's good enough for me and my man Blade, why isn't it good for the politicians? Doesn't seem like a change I can believe in. Short-changed maybe.

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Daschle is a former Senate leader. Meyers brought the governor's water bottles and possibly other things.

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[quote=firstdown;525008]First off your right they will quit and no one worth a damb will take the job with those pay restrictions. Second they did not set their pay the stock holders and board members voted for their pay. Its called a contract and if the board made that bad of a choice and drew up that bad of a deal its the boards fault. Its like us bitching because the Skins paid JT 8 million and he had just a couple of sacks.[/quote]



First of those mofo won't easily find jobs outside the financial industry, certainly not in these current economic times and with "previous employer failed" on their resume.

Secondly corporate boards do whatever the CEO tells them 90% of the time. Rubber stamping CEO proposals is expected in most cases especially if the CEO owns a large number of voting shares in the company. A board member's duties include giving the CEO phat bonuses, during good times, and espouse the value of "being able to offer competitive wages to keep their best people" during the bad times. They have to do and say those sort of things because they got on the board due to The Corporate Board Buddy System™ which mandates you have great back scratching skills and the ability not to get caught with your pants down.

Finally they're getting bailout money so your JT analogy is worthless. If they don't want the money they can go pay their CEO whatever they like and go out of business in the process. Their is a price to pay for getting baildout money. No one likes seeing a friend they just lent $500 because they "needed it" and then see them sporting a new iPod the next day. You ain't getting a goddamn iPod on my dime mofo. No sir.

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[quote=saden1;525023]First of those mofo won't easily find jobs outside the financial industry, certainly not in these current economic times and with "previous employer failed" on their resume.

Secondly corporate boards do whatever the CEO tells them 90% of the time. Rubber stamping CEO proposals is expected in most cases especially if the CEO owns a large number of voting shares in the company. A board member's duties include giving the CEO phat bonuses, during good times, and espouse the value of "being able to offer competitive wages to keep their best people" during the bad times. They have to do and say those sort of things because they got on the board due to The Corporate Board Buddy System™ which mandates you have great back scratching skills and the ability not to get caught with your pants down.

Finally they're getting bailout money so your JT analogy is worthless. [B]If they don't want the money they can go pay their CEO whatever they like and go out of business in the process[/B]. Their is a price to pay for getting baildout money. No one likes seeing a friend they just lent $500 because they "needed it" and then see them sporting a new iPod the next day. You ain't getting a *** iPod on my dime mofo. No sir.[/quote]

Here is the problem with socialistic ideas like capping pay. If, like you say, the boards rubberstamp the CEO's wishes, how many will go out of business causing the economy to spiral down. You make it sound like their resumes would be trash, but that's not the case. Many of these same Execs would still find jobs, citing macro-economic conditions as the reason for their failure, not their specific job skills.

Several banks have rejected TARP funds simply because the government was injecting to many rules and conditions. (no link, it was on yahoo a few days ago, but I could not find it again).

I am starting to see the trend that President Obama will call for bi-partisanship citing the emergency of the situation, and yet continues to push forward with non-center and even offensive to some (see abortion funding, gitmo, and now maximum payrates), positions. So really his quote, which has been my sig, is looking more and more like a "my way or the hghway" statement not a "lets work together and get the country going" remark.

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[url=http://uk.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUKN0428223120090204]UPDATE 2-Goldman Sachs CFO seeks to repay TARP funds | Reuters[/url]

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123336063516635301.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us]More Banks to TARP: Thanks, but No Thanks - WSJ.com[/url]

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[quote=saden1;525023]First of those mofo won't easily find jobs outside the financial industry, certainly not in these current economic times and with "previous employer failed" on their resume.

Secondly corporate boards do whatever the CEO tells them 90% of the time. Rubber stamping CEO proposals is expected in most cases especially if the CEO owns a large number of voting shares in the company. A board member's duties include giving the CEO phat bonuses, during good times, and espouse the value of "being able to offer competitive wages to keep their best people" during the bad times. They have to do and say those sort of things because they got on the board due to The Corporate Board Buddy System™ which mandates you have great back scratching skills and the ability not to get caught with your pants down.

Finally they're getting bailout money so your JT analogy is worthless. If they don't want the money they can go pay their CEO whatever they like and go out of business in the process. Their is a price to pay for getting baildout money. No one likes seeing a friend they just lent $500 because they "needed it" and then see them sporting a new iPod the next day. You ain't getting a goddamn iPod on my dime mofo. No sir.[/quote]

So before a board elects their new CEO they go to him to decide how he will get paid and what bonus they will receive. I don't think that is how it works but I could be wrong. You also say if they don't want to play by the goverments rules then don't except any bail out money. Then explain this statement by Obama.

"The administration also will propose long-term compensation restrictions even for companies that don’t receive government assistance, Obama said."

Look I agree that these CEO's get paid way too much at times and they also still receive big bucks when things don't go so good. What I don't like is the goverment deciding rather than the board and/or stock holders. Most of the banks problems started from goverment mandates to give out loans to people who could not afford them and now they are pointing the the finger at the banks and CEO's. Its also funny how the goverment is pointing out their waistfull spending when trying to pass a 900 billion doller bill. This new bill I heard is sponsored by SmithField Foods.

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[quote=saden1;525021]Daschle is a former Senate leader. Meyers brought the governor's water bottles and possibly other things.[/quote]

That really doesn't mean anything. Bob Dole was a WWII hero and a Presidential candidate. He's a lobbyist too. You don't use lawyers to get you water. That's what the staff is for.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;525042][url=http://uk.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUKN0428223120090204]UPDATE 2-Goldman Sachs CFO seeks to repay TARP funds | Reuters[/url]

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123336063516635301.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us]More Banks to TARP: Thanks, but No Thanks - WSJ.com[/url][/quote]

You forgot to mention that some banks were forced to take the money.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;525064]You forgot to mention that some banks were forced to take the money.[/quote]

Actually, I didn't realize that, but it doesn't surprise me. When the people who make up the government think they know what's best, then it usually follows, that they tell you what you must do.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;525041]Here is the problem with socialistic ideas like capping pay. If, like you say, the boards rubberstamp the CEO's wishes, how many will go out of business causing the economy to spiral down. You make it sound like their resumes would be trash, but that's not the case. Many of these same Execs would still find jobs, citing macro-economic conditions as the reason for their failure, not their specific job skills.

Several banks have rejected TARP funds simply because the government was injecting to many rules and conditions. (no link, it was on yahoo a few days ago, but I could not find it again).

I am starting to see the trend that President Obama will call for bi-partisanship citing the emergency of the situation, and yet continues to push forward with non-center and even offensive to some (see abortion funding, gitmo, and now maximum payrates), positions. So really his quote, which has been my sig, is looking more and more like a "my way or the hghway" statement not a "lets work together and get the country going" remark.[/quote]

It's a free market, if you can find a job out there that pays you more god bless you. But if you want my help in feeding your family, well, we're going to have to cook with my recipe book. Nothing is for free in this world.

With friend's like this who needs foes:

[quote][URL="http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2009/02/sessions_gop_in.php"]Frustrated by a lack of bipartisan outreach[/URL] from House Democratic leaders, Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said House Republicans -- who voted unanimously last week against the economic plan pushed by President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- will pitch a "positive, loyal opposition" to the proposal. The group, he added, should also "understand insurgency" in implementing efforts to offer alternatives.

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban," Sessions said during a meeting yesterday with Hotline editors. "And that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."[/quote]

The House GOP still haven't gotten the memo that they don't have to show up to work and shit will still get passed. Isn't this the saddest thing you've ever seen?

[YT]VN0CmFnnS84[/YT]

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[quote=firstdown;525050]So before a board elects their new CEO they go to him to decide how he will get paid and what bonus they will receive. I don't think that is how it works but I could be wrong. You also say if they don't want to play by the goverments rules then don't except any bail out money. Then explain this statement by Obama.

"The administration also will propose long-term compensation restrictions even for companies that don’t receive government assistance, Obama said."

Look I agree that these CEO's get paid way too much at times and they also still receive big bucks when things don't go so good. What I don't like is the goverment deciding rather than the board and/or stock holders. Most of the banks problems started from goverment mandates to give out loans to people who could not afford them and now they are pointing the the finger at the banks and CEO's. Its also funny how the goverment is pointing out their waistfull spending when trying to pass a 900 billion doller bill. This new bill I heard is sponsored by SmithField Foods.[/quote]

It depends on the situation. If the CEO has been at the company longer than the board members then he typically sets his own pay, proposes his own compensation to the board and bob is your uncle there's money for his new boat. If the CEO is ousted from the company (a.l.a. Carly Fiorina) they'll have friends on the board who are willing to violate company policy and give out 21 million severance pay. What about Fiorina's replacement you ask? He's the CEO, Chairman of the Board, and President of HP. Do you know what that means? When he replaced a fired CEO he managed to get himself "elected" by the board to lead the board. This is typically how shit goes down man.

I think pay and bonuses should be voted on by the shareholders. If they want to give their CEO 1 billion dollars in pay good for them. Just rmemeber though who to ask for a handout when the tough times hit. The CEO might be willing to lend you 500 million if you ask him nicely.

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[quote=saden1;525087]


The House GOP still haven't gotten the memo that they don't have to show up to work and *** will still get passed. Isn't this the saddest thing you've ever seen?

[/quote]

I am not sure which is sadder that apparently for the next 2 years 40-50% of the American public will have no say in the direction of the country, even though they went to the polls and voted, or the fact that you apparently think that is a good thing.

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The House GOP still haven't gotten the memo that they don't have to show up to work and shit will still get passed. Isn't this the saddest thing you've ever seen?

No, that's not the saddest thing I've ever seen. Seeing Hillary getting thrown under the bus was sad. Having the Congress bitch about bad equipment and blame the deaths of soldiers on the Executive Branch was sad. Seeing how they're in charge of appropriating the equipment, it is sad seeing so-called leaders play politics with people's lives.

Those GOP Congressmen still represent the people who put them in office and they're not going anywhere.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;525098]I am not sure which is sadder that apparently for the next 2 years 40-50% of the American public will have no say in the direction of the country, even though they went to the polls and voted, or the fact that you apparently think that is a good thing.[/quote]

The country as a whole choose to change leadership. If you're goint to try to lead don't talk about how you want the stimulus to be 100% tax cut and at least understand basic economics. If you have a rational and reasonable policy agenda we can talk but you have people hell bent to get their own way and scuttlebutt the new administration's agenda at every turn. It takes two to tango and Obama is wearing the pants in the relationship.

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[quote=saden1;525127]The country as a whole choose to change leadership. If you're goint to try to lead don't talk about how you want the stimulus to be 100% tax cut and at least understand basic economics. If you have a rational and reasonable policy agenda we can talk but you have people hell bent to get their own way and scuttlebutt the new administration's agenda at every turn. It takes two to tango and Obama is wearing the pants in the relationship.[/quote]

The country as a whole didn't choose to change. I didn't vote. Millions of people voted for McCain. My friend voted for Brett Favre. Obama may have won by a comfortable margin but he didn't have a Reagan style blowout. Yeah, you can say that now. Oh we won the election you can just be quiet. That's not what happened when Bush was in office. The Democrats ran their mouths like they had won. Now that the shoes is on the other foot I hope what's left of the Republicans fight the Democrats every step of the way. With any luck they can pull blue dogs like the Dems used to pull moderates.

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[quote=saden1;525127]The country as a whole choose to change leadership. If you're goint to try to lead don't talk about how you want the stimulus to be 100% tax cut and at least understand basic economics. [B]If you have a rational and reasonable policy agenda we can talk but you have people hell bent to get their own way and scuttlebutt the new administration's agenda at every turn[/B]. It takes two to tango and Obama is wearing the pants in the relationship.[/quote]
Just like Bush was elected 4 years ago by the "country as a whole" and the Democrats followed his lead, or the House went Republican by the "country as a whole" with the "Contract with America period" and the Democrats followed their lead.
Whatever, it is the way our system works and I understand that, but please then don't say you are changing anything in DC, all you are doing is the same thing that has gone on for the last 40 years.

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[quote=saden1;525087]It's a free market, if you can find a job out there that pays you more god bless you. But if you want my help in feeding your family, well, we're going to have to cook with my recipe book. Nothing is for free in this world.

With friend's like this who needs foes:



The House GOP still haven't gotten the memo that they don't have to show up to work and shit will still get passed. Isn't this the saddest thing you've ever seen?

[yt]VN0CmFnnS84[/yt][/quote]
They still need two Rep. to vote with the Pres to get anything passed which should not be that hard to do. I hope they the GOP does not sign into this stimulas bill and if its that great why would the Dems want their support. They could just pass the bill and then take full credit for getting this passed. The problem is they question if the stimulas will even work so they want the GOP to sign on so they can take part of the blame for this pork bill which I feel is just a waist of money. Could someone give me one thing in this bill that is worth a dam.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;525133]The country as a whole didn't choose to change. I didn't vote. Millions of people voted for McCain. My friend voted for Brett Favre. Obama may have won by a comfortable margin but he didn't have a Reagan style blowout. Yeah, you can say that now. Oh we won the election you can just be quiet. That's not what happened when Bush was in office. The Democrats ran their mouths like they had won. Now that the shoes is on the other foot I hope what's left of the Republicans fight the Democrats every step of the way. With any luck they can pull blue dogs like the Dems used to pull moderates.[/quote]

Well, technically they did win.

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[quote=12thMan;525184]Well, technically they did win.[/quote]

So did a lof of other Congressmen and Senators. It doesn't matter if they won if they can't get they're agenda off the ground.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;525133]The country as a whole didn't choose to change. [B]I didn't vote[/B]. Millions of people voted for McCain. My friend voted for Brett Favre. Obama may have won by a comfortable margin but he didn't have a Reagan style blowout. Yeah, you can say that now. Oh we won the election you can just be quiet. That's not what happened when Bush was in office. The Democrats ran their mouths like they had won. Now that the shoes is on the other foot I hope what's left of the Republicans fight the Democrats every step of the way. With any luck they can pull blue dogs like the Dems used to pull moderates.[/quote]

The country as a whole DID vote for change whatever change represents to you is a different story. The fact that you didn't vote is your problem, yea. More power to the GOP if they can sway the blue dogs. They're 77 seats down and there are 47 blue dogs which means they need 39 blue dog votes to get their way. Good luck to them because by all accounts the house GOP is irrelevant.

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[quote=saden1;525217]The country as a whole DID vote for change whatever change represents to you is a different story. The fact that you didn't vote is your problem, yea. More power to the GOP if they can sway the blue dogs. They're 77 seats down and there are 47 blue dogs which means they need 39 blue dog votes to get their way. Good luck to them because by all accounts the house GOP is irrelevant.[/quote]

We'll see.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;525134]Just like Bush was elected 4 years ago by the "country as a whole" and the Democrats followed his lead, or the House went Republican by the "country as a whole" with the "Contract with America period" and the Democrats followed their lead.
Whatever, it is the way our system works and I understand that, but please then don't say you are changing anything in DC, all you are doing is the same thing that has gone on for the last 40 years.[/quote]

When you have [URL="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00038"]36 GOP senators[/URL] who [URL="http://washingtonindependent.com/29076/its-all-part-of-my-stimulus-fantasy"]don't believe in government spending[/URL] as a means of economic recovery and threaten to filibuster the stimulus bill WTF are we going to talk about? They can play their games, if was Obama I would tell them go eat a hogmog and have them filibuster the bill.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;525219]We'll see.[/quote]

I assure you we'll see it time and again for the next two years.