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[quote=DirtyLandry;527077]This team does not draft well. We've tried to "develop" guys like Golston and Montgomery and where has that gotten us?

I can also guarantee that Haynesworth is not Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders or Adam Archuletta. I can understand why fans are apprehensive when it comes to free agent acquisitions, but it doesn't mean you just shy away from FA's all together. Drafting well is important, but so is spending top dollar to add elite players that could augment your entire team.[/quote]

I made my pick and I'm sticking to it.

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I'm going out on my on here but I would have to say Matt Hassleback. Even though I like Campbell and I think he can develop. But, the true problem on our offense down the stretch was the quaterback play. The def. finished ranked number 4, so I will leave them alone. Portis ran for over 1200 yards, so the off. line must have been doing something right. However we didn't have one receiver over 1000 yards and Chris Cooley only had 1 touchdown catch. I would trade Jason Campbell and this years first round pick. And if I couldn't get Matt I would go after Donovan. Up grade the QB position and hopefully one of our Rookie wide receivers steps up to fill the number 2 spot and move Randel to the slot. Worry about up grading the line next year.

What do you think?

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I would get Hasselbeck as a back up.

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[QUOTE=REDSKIN1;527084]I'm going out on my on here but I would have to say Matt Hassleback. Even though I like Campbell and I think he can develop. But, the true problem on our offense down the stretch was the quaterback play. The def. finished ranked number 4, so I will leave them alone. Portis ran for over 1200 yards, so the off. line must have been doing something right. However we didn't have one receiver over 1000 yards and Chris Cooley only had 1 touchdown catch. [B] I would trade Jason Campbell and this years first round pick[/B]. And if I couldn't get Matt I would go after Donovan. Up grade the QB position and hopefully one of our Rookie wide receivers steps up to fill the number 2 spot and move Randel to the slot. [B]Worry about up grading the line next year.[/B]

[B]What do you think?[/[/B]QUOTE]

You asked. :laughing2

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[quote=53Fan;527087][quote=REDSKIN1;527084]I'm going out on my on here but I would have to say Matt Hassleback. Even though I like Campbell and I think he can develop. But, the true problem on our offense down the stretch was the quaterback play. The def. finished ranked number 4, so I will leave them alone. Portis ran for over 1200 yards, so the off. line must have been doing something right. However we didn't have one receiver over 1000 yards and Chris Cooley only had 1 touchdown catch. [B]I would trade Jason Campbell and this years first round pick[/B]. And if I couldn't get Matt I would go after Donovan. Up grade the QB position and hopefully one of our Rookie wide receivers steps up to fill the number 2 spot and move Randel to the slot. [B]Worry about up grading the line next year.[/B]

[B]What do you think?[/[/B]QUOTE]

You asked. :laughing2[/quote]


Which part do you find the funniest?

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[quote=REDSKIN1;527084]I'm going out on my on here but I would have to say Matt Hassleback. Even though I like Campbell and I think he can develop. But, the true problem on our offense down the stretch was the quaterback play. The def. finished ranked number 4, so I will leave them alone. Portis ran for over 1200 yards, so the off. line must have been doing something right. However we didn't have one receiver over 1000 yards and Chris Cooley only had 1 touchdown catch. I would trade Jason Campbell and this years first round pick. And if I couldn't get Matt I would go after Donovan. Up grade the QB position and hopefully one of our Rookie wide receivers steps up to fill the number 2 spot and move Randel to the slot. Worry about up grading the line next year.

What do you think?[/quote]

I think that's a bad idea. Hassleback is good and I'm sure Z would love to have him, but no. Your assesment of what went wrong with the offense is flawed. Insert any quarterback behind a solid line and they'll do good if they're even half way decent.
Take a look at what Arizona did with Warner. The difference was an offensive line that Grim developed. Look at the Titans. Ask yourself, is Collins that good?
Your line of thinking is geared toward the flash players. You cannot ignore the trenches and have a good team, period. We've been doing exactly that for a long time. There is no excuse for not drafting or picking up a quality C, OT, OG, DB, DE or at the very least an OLB this year. While I'm on the Lechler bandwagon, the lines are the most glaring need for this team, especially RT.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;527088][quote=53Fan;527087]


Which part do you find the funniest?[/quote]

Trading JC [B]AND[/B] a first round pick. Waiting till next year to upgrade the line. Even if we had Hassleback, he'd probably be running for his life if we don't do something about our o-line. No offense intended.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;527084]I'm going out on my on here but I would have to say Matt Hassleback. Even though I like Campbell and I think he can develop. But, the true problem on our offense down the stretch was the quaterback play. The def. finished ranked number 4, so I will leave them alone. Portis ran for over 1200 yards, so the off. line must have been doing something right. However we didn't have one receiver over 1000 yards and Chris Cooley only had 1 touchdown catch. I would trade Jason Campbell and this years first round pick. And if I couldn't get Matt I would go after Donovan. Up grade the QB position and hopefully one of our Rookie wide receivers steps up to fill the number 2 spot and move Randel to the slot. Worry about up grading the line next year.

What do you think?[/quote]

Dont let Matty F...QB talk see this:)

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[quote=53Fan;527087][QUOTE=REDSKIN1;527084]I'm going out on my on here but I would have to say Matt Hassleback. Even though I like Campbell and I think he can develop. But, the true problem on our offense down the stretch was the quaterback play. The def. finished ranked number 4, so I will leave them alone. Portis ran for over 1200 yards, so the off. line must have been doing something right. However we didn't have one receiver over 1000 yards and Chris Cooley only had 1 touchdown catch. [B] I would trade Jason Campbell and this years first round pick[/B]. And if I couldn't get Matt I would go after Donovan. Up grade the QB position and hopefully one of our Rookie wide receivers steps up to fill the number 2 spot and move Randel to the slot. [B]Worry about up grading the line next year.[/B]

[B]What do you think?[/[/B]QUOTE]

You asked. :laughing2[/quote]

53, Should I loan him some of my Meds?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527089]I think that's a bad idea. Hassleback is good and I'm sure Z would love to have him, but no. Your assesment of what went wrong with the offense is flawed. Insert any quarterback behind a solid line and they'll do good if they're even half way decent.
Take a look at what Arizona did with Warner. The difference was an offensive line that Grim developed. Look at the Titans. Ask yourself, is Collins that good?
Your line of thinking is geared toward the flash players. You cannot ignore the trenches and have a good team, period. We've been doing exactly that for a long time. There is no excuse for not drafting or picking up a quality C, OT, OG, DB, DE or at the very least an OLB this year. While I'm on the Lechler bandwagon, the lines are the most glaring need for this team, especially RT.[/quote]

I understand where you are coming from and I do agree that the line needs to be addressed. However, I do think that for the most part Jason did have adequate time to get some passes off that were not on target. Jason's decision making was a little slow so he held the ball longer than he should have which in turn got him sacked and made the line look bad. I'm not saying that the off. line bears no blame. There were a few times that Jason could not even get back in his stance before a defender was on him. I don't see us going after Matt or Donovan, I agree there are many other positions that need help other than the QB. [COLOR=darkred]However this thread said to pick ONE player and make a case for that player. Thats why I picked the QB position. It's the most influential position on the field....[/COLOR]

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Dirtbag, you said:

[B]One things for sure we have to add a Tackle, preferably a right tackle that can later become a left tackle. Unfortunately [/B]

My question for you and many is why do we have to aquire a RT who will eventually be moved to LT? Why can't we draft or get a RT and keep him there and draft or get a LT next yr in the draft or FA? I keep hearing pick Goss up and move him later? Why? If he's good enough for RT keep him there or go get an actual RT. Samuals will be there for I'm guessing a few yrs. 2-3 so we have time to get another LT later.

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[quote=SmootSmack;526999]Ok, so the point of this thread is for you to pick one player, and ONLY one player and state your case for why the Redskins should add this player to the roster for 2009.

Remember only one player. It can be a free agent, a draft pick, or someone likely to be on the trading block, such as Anquan Boldin. Remember, if you pick someone like Boldin you need to make your case for why he's worth giving up multiple picks when we have a limited amount as is.

I don't know who I'd pick, so I'll state my case later.[/quote]

Man Smoot you left the door open for the QB Monster to re-emerge:)

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[quote=DirtyLandry;527077]This team does not draft well. We've tried to "develop" guys like Golston and Montgomery and where has that gotten us?

Also, this team is not young and DOES NOT have time to develop a bunch of mid to later round picks. We need to win now or let the rebuilding begin in 2010. Theres not another single player that could improve a team like Haynesworth could.

Judging by the reaction from others on this site it's unequivocally clear that posters here watch far more college than they do the pros. I guess watching boys in school play sloppy football is more entertaining.

I can also guarantee that Haynesworth is not Bruce Smith, Deon Sanders or Adam Archuletta. I can understand why fans are apprehensive when it comes to free agent acquisitions, but it doesn't mean you just shy away from FA's all together. Drafting well is important, but so is spending top dollar to add elite players that could augment your entire team.[/quote]

We draft so-so I woud say: Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Carlos Rogers, Chris Cooley, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, John Jansen, Jason Campbell, not to mention undrafted guys like Mike Sellers. It isn't we don't draft well. We don't draft enough.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527097]We draft so-so I woud say: Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Carlos Rogers, Chris Cooley, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, John Jansen, Jason Campbell, not to mention undrafted guys like Mike Sellers. It isn't we don't draft well. We don't draft enough.[/quote]Good point Tramp. and may I add we risk trading guys like Carlos Rogers and then spend the next 3 years looking for the next Carlos Rogers :bdh:

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[quote=44ever;527096]Man Smoot you left the door open for the QB Monster to re-emerge:)[/quote]


Hey I'm not QB bashing, I actually like JC and I think he will be fine in time. I was just responding to this thread. This is just a wish list, don't get so wraped up in the QB thing.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;527099]Hey I'm not QB bashing, I actually like JC and I think he will be fine in time. I was just responding to this thread. This is just a wish list, don't get so wraped up in the QB thing.[/quote]

I don't think you understand the QB situation on this Blog. Stick around, you'll see. Don't mention McNab again, for your own sake.

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[quote=REDSKIN1;527099]Hey I'm not QB bashing, I actually like JC and I think he will be fine in time. I was just responding to this thread. This is just a wish list, don't get so wraped up in the QB thing.[/quote]

Im not. So dont make it seem as so. It was more a joke between Smoot and I.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527101]I don't think you understand the QB situation on this Blog. Stick around, you'll see. Don't mention McNab again, for your own sake.[/quote]


I had to do it....LOL

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peEkaiRNZoM]YouTube - Lion King Mufasa![/ame]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527097]We draft so-so I woud say: Laron Landry, Chris Horton, Carlos Rogers, Chris Cooley, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, John Jansen, Jason Campbell, not to mention undrafted guys like Mike Sellers. It isn't we don't draft well. [B]We don't draft enough[/B].[/quote]

And there lies the problem. I think we should pass the meds around 44. I'm pretty sure I should be on some. Are you near The Big Red Star REDSKIN1?

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[quote=53Fan;527106]And there lies the problem. I think we should pass the meds around 44. I'm pretty sure I should be on some. Are you near The Big Red Star REDSKIN1?[/quote]


No but I could me you there to get my dose...:cool-smil

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[quote=REDSKIN1;527112]No but I could me you there to get my dose...:cool-smil[/quote]

:laughing-

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Honestly I surprised so few are making the case for a stud @ OLB... i mean there's some serious talent out there this off-season and we're in all probability gonna have to address this as a need unless Blache believes Blades is a starter.

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[quote=The Goat;527114]Honestly I surprised so few are making the case for a stud @ OLB... i mean there's some serious talent out there this off-season and we're in all probability gonna have to address this as a need unless Blache believes Blades is a starter.[/quote]

Who do you have in mind Goat?

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[quote=44ever;527116]Who do you have in mind Goat?[/quote]

I'm falling for Suggs :silly:

... but there's a pretty impressive short-list w/ Dansby, Hill (who's sort of a knucklehead but still very good), and Vilma all guys who could come in and be a force on opening day. I like Suggs because IMO he hails from a similar division in terms of toughness, prior to this year he was a hell of a rusher (at least 8 sacks a year) and he's a big monster to punish backs like Jacobs and Barber in our division. I think he'd easily be the playmaker we tend to lack among the front seven and guarantee we remain a top 5 defense.

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... Suggs is also still a spring-chicken.

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SUGGS... The guy is an absolute beast who can play olb or d end. He has explosivness, stregnth, and a nose for the ball. He is only 26 or 27 as well, thats 7-8 years younger than all our starting ends.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;527120]SUGGS... The guy is an absolute beast can play olb or d end. He has explosivness, stregnth, and anose for the ball. He is only 26 or 27 as well, thats 7-8 years younger than all our starting ends.[/quote]

Suggs would play SLB for us and we'd probably see far more pressure put on QBs than in the past... Marcus was pretty good at this before he slowed down but never at the level Suggs plays. And yes if we have an injury at end we could easily drop him to the LOS and bring in Blades IMO. Suggs is mr. versatility in this year's FA market.

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^Great minds think alike....

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[quote=The Goat;527118]I'm falling for Suggs :silly:

... but there's a pretty impressive short-list w/ Dansby, Hill (who's sort of a knucklehead but still very good), and Vilma all guys who could come in and be a force on opening day. I like Suggs because IMO he hails from a similar division in terms of toughness, prior to this year he was a hell of a rusher (at least 8 sacks a year) and he's a big monster to punish backs like Jacobs and Barber in our division. I think he'd easily be the playmaker we tend to lack among the front seven and guarantee we remain a top 5 defense.[/quote]
I think Suggs or Dansby would be great on our "D" and would love to have either one. I would'nt be surprised if after things become more clear on what it would take to get them, unless it's something outrageous, we make some cuts and go after one of them.

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[quote=The Goat;527119]... Suggs is also still a spring-chicken.[/quote]

I could go for Suggs but not Lewis.

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Dansby and Vilma are both good players in their own rights, but they are more along the lines of M. Washington when he played for indy. Very close to the top tier lbs but not breaking into that elite class. Suggs is in that elite class who has the intangeibles that put him at a higher level than the other 2. As you said Goat, he is the class of the fa this year..

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;527124]I could go for Suggs but not Lewis.[/quote]

goes w/o saying :)...

honestly, i doubt Suggs leaves Baltimore though. Lewis will get his payday and Suggs will stay behind and be the "face" of the D w/ Ed Reed. Dansby is more likely to make a move and while I think he'll still be an upgrade for us i just can't get as excited...

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Suggs and Dansby are going to be tagged by their respective teams. If I had my pick, I would go with Dansby. Suggs is a terrific players, but he can be a bit of thug at times, and this is reflected in personal fouls he has committed (his favorite, roughing the passer). I guess AZ going ot the SB drove Dansby price higher, had they not gone we could've gotten him at a less expensive price. But like I said, it is a moot point b/c AZ will most likely tag him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;527132]Suggs and Dansby are going to be tagged by their respective teams. If I had my pick, I would go with Dansby. Suggs is a terrific players, but he can be a bit of thug at times, and this is reflected in personal fouls he has committed (his favorite, roughing the passer). I guess AZ going ot the SB drove Dansby price higher, had they not gone we could've gotten him at a less expensive price. But like I said, it is a moot point b/c AZ will most likely tag him.[/quote]

Given our shitty history of mismanaging draft picks, I don't want any player who has been franchised. Giving up 2 1st round picks is too much, even if it fills a need with a very good player. We need to get younger, not ship away picks - even if it is for a stud.

I believe Shane Lechler already has or will be franchised by the Raiders, meaning there's no way in hell he plays anywhere but Oakland next year. No one will give up 2 1st rounders for a punter. Now, if they franchise Asomugha again, then I'm all for pursuing Lechler.

I'm not going to make my case for any one individual, rather for a position. I think we need to draft the best tackle available at 13, or trade down for extra picks and still take the best tackle available with our 1st selection. We've got to have one of the oldest (and most brittle) O-lines in the game. Priority number 1 is build the trenches IMO.

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[quote=GMScud;527133]Given our shitty history of mismanaging draft picks, I don't want any player who has been franchised. Giving up 2 1st round picks is too much, even if it fills a need with a very good player. We need to get younger, not ship away picks - even if it is for a stud.

I believe Shane Lechler already has or will be franchised by the Raiders, meaning there's no way in hell he plays anywhere but Oakland next year. No one will give up 2 1st rounders for a punter. Now, if they franchise Asomugha again, then I'm all for pursuing Lechler.

I'm not going to make my case for any one individual, rather for a position. I think we need to draft the best tackle available at 13, or trade down for extra picks and still take the best tackle available with our 1st selection. We've got to have one of the oldest (and most brittle) O-lines in the game. Priority number 1 is build the trenches IMO.[/quote]

Well we can't afford to go after a franchised player or a RFA if we only have 4 picks. My case for Dansby was only if he wasn't going to get the tag, which is not going to happen.

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[quote=Ruhskins;527136]Well we can't afford to go after a franchised player or a RFA if we only have 4 picks. My case for Dansby was only if he wasn't going to get the tag, which is not going to happen.[/quote]

Dansby will receive a 20% increase if the Cards tag him which means about $10 mill on the year. He isn't worth that IMHO so i think it leaves the Cards in a lousy situation.

... i wonder if the FO is looking seriously at Boley. He's very young and his drop-off in play last year doesn't make a lot of sense. Could also be a very nice value FA move.

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Boley: [url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/424703]Michael Boley, Atlanta Falcons, NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;527074]This is a great year to draft an OT, but I'm leaning towards passing on one of the big four (or five, depending on your point of view) and going after either Vernon Carey or Khalif Barnes in free agency.

Barnes is probably more talented overall, but he has lots of question marks in terms of his maturity. I'd probably lean toward Carey. He can play almost all positions along the line, he hasn't missed a game in four or five years, he's only 27-28 years old. I understand that's not exactly young, but compared to what we have he's a baby.[/quote]


This.

Grab a very solid offensive lineman in free agency, just not one of the top end ones because they will be too expensive.

After that we can draft an o lineman in the first. I say trade down a bit and get this Mack guy that everyone around here seems to love.

That adds two very solid pieces to the oline and that makes us much better overall IMO.

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I think the Patriots, Giants, Jets, and one other team I'm forgetting could be the biggest suitors for Dansby. This isn't including the Cardinals themselves of course, who have the advantage right now.

Raiders, barring some last minute change of heart, are going to franchise Nnamdi

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[quote=wilsowilso;527142]This.

Grab a very solid offensive lineman in free agency, just not one of the top end ones because they will be too expensive.

After that we can draft an o lineman in the first. [B]I say trade down a bit and get this Mack guy that everyone around here seems to love.
[/B]
That adds two very solid pieces to the oline and that makes us much better overall IMO.[/quote]

Everyone seems to have this idea of trading down in the draft. Has there been any talk on which teams might want to trade up? Id like to trade down also but i haven't heard anything solid as of where that would be or who with.