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Mack is smart!! Academic all-american from Cal not Monkey College, that's the beauty about him, he can play and is very smart.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;531818]2 scenarios

[COLOR=darkred]NO TRADE[/COLOR]
1st Andre Smith OT
3rd Tyronne McKenzie OLB
5th Matt Shaughnessy DE Or L.Sidbury
6th Frantz Joseph ILB

[COLOR=darkred]Trade Down w/ Detriot Add 2nd rd Pick[/COLOR]
1st Larry English OLB
2nd Jamon Meredith OT
3rd Asher Allen CB
5th Matt Shaughnessy DE or L.Sidbury
6th Frantz Joseph ILB[/quote]

I love both your senarios, especially because I like about 75% of the players you named fitting in on our team... But ILB I feel isn't a need since we got blades and fletcher , and what do you think we should get Asher Allen or joe burnett of UCF who is a GREAT returner but just decent cover skills...although his coach George O'leary said that he's the best corner he's coached since Asante samuel...plus mayacok is high on him as a sleeper, and his former college teammate brandon Marshall has been telling the bongos to get this guy

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532114]Mack is smart!! Academic all-american from Cal not Monkey College, that's the beauty about him, he can play and is very smart.[/quote]

Haha that means nothing man it's if he's really football smart and not school smart...no center coming out of college can just read NFL defenses right away... Next year, now that's another story...

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[quote=Nflnick11;532206]Haha that means nothing man it's if he's really football smart and not school smart.[B]..no center coming out of college can just read NFL defenses right away[/B]... Next year, now that's another story...[/quote]

Why do you keep saying this? Nick Mangold started as a rookie for the Jets in 2006 and had an outstanding year. So have others.

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[quote=Nflnick11;532206]Haha that means nothing man it's if he's really football smart and not school smart...no center coming out of college can just read NFL defenses right away... Next year, now that's another story...[/quote]

I can guarantee that Mack would start right away for anyone and Smith, Oher or however/whatever T would struggle at first. One thing Gibbs always liked in a player was smarts. Mack has it all.

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I keep hearing about Mack on here but everywhere I look, he isn't te number 1 rated Center. What gives?

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[quote=mcludka;532260]I keep hearing about Mack on here but everywhere I look, he isn't te number 1 rated Center. What gives?[/quote]

[url=http://www.draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=PlayerProfile2&id=984]Alex Mack, Center California : NFL Draft Prospect[/url]

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If we stay at 13, I think we take an OT (and maybe slide Jansen inside if it's Oher?), and then in the 3rd round take a LB like Marcus Freeman who should be available around then.

But depending on how things shake out (particularly with Stafford) we could be in a situation where the Lions want to move up to our spot at #13 and we can slide down to #20 and get one of the USC linebackers and then in the early 2nd take Eben Britton (or maybe Tyson Jackson, and get a like Fulton in the 3rd)

Either way, we (meaning the Redskins) have to decide which of the following three positions LB, OL, DE is least important because it's likely one of them won't be truly addressed in the draft.

I do know that Cerrato and Campbell (Scott Campbell) love the USC threesome

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If we fill OLB and RT, I really don't know how much more we could ask. A punter would be nice and I think we'll get that done but I'd consider it a VERY successful offseason if we fill those spots. Especially considering our FA acquisitions and only having 4 draft picks to start out with.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532114]Mack is smart!! Academic all-american from Cal not Monkey College, that's the beauty about him, he can play and is very smart.[/quote]

Haha that means nothing man it's if he's really football smart and not school smart...no center coming out of college can just read NFL defenses right away... Next year, now that's another story...

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[quote=Nflnick11;532269]Haha that means nothing man it's if he's really football smart and not school smart...no center coming out of college can just read NFL defenses right away... Next year, now that's another story...[/quote]

Same as post #43. Hardly worth repeating.

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[quote=SmootSmack;532266]If we stay at 13, I think we take an OT (and maybe slide Jansen inside if it's Oher?), and then in the 3rd round take a LB like Marcus Freeman who should be available around then.

But depending on how things shake out (particularly with Stafford) we could be in a situation where the Lions want to move up to our spot at #13 and we can slide down to #20 and get one of the USC linebackers and then in the early 2nd take Eben Britton (or maybe Tyson Jackson, and get a like Fulton in the 3rd)

Either way, we (meaning the Redskins) have to decide which of the following three positions LB, OL, DE is least important because it's likely one of them won't be truly addressed in the draft.

I do know that Cerrato and Campbell (Scott Campbell) love the USC threesome[/quote]

I hope Cushing isn't someone they're considering @ 13 or even 20 for that matter...

Seriously, if we're gonna settle for a guy w/ durability and injury concerns i.e. Cushing, Orekpo, then just bring Marcus back for a cheap deal and maybe swap he and Rocky.

.. on that note I don't understand why Marcus was kept at SLB the last couple years. It really seems like the SLB gets stuck in coverage far more than WLB therefor Rocky would have always made more sense @ strong side and Marcus and weak side. Like Lavar was never great in coverage and played WLB... i would want to have seen Marcus in the same scenario to sort of hide his downside.

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[quote=The Goat;532298]I hope Cushing isn't someone they're considering @ 13 or even 20 for that matter...

Seriously, if we're gonna settle for a guy w/ durability and injury concerns i.e. Cushing, Orekpo, then just bring Marcus back for a cheap deal and maybe swap he and Rocky.

.. on that note I don't understand why Marcus was kept at SLB the last couple years. It really seems like the SLB gets stuck in coverage far more than WLB therefor Rocky would have always made more sense @ strong side and Marcus and weak side. Like Lavar was never great in coverage and played WLB... i would want to have seen Marcus in the same scenario to sort of hide his downside.[/quote]

I think Rocky should play the strong side as well, and draft Freeman in the 3rd who should be able to instantly step in as the WLB. Take an OL at #13.

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[quote=SmootSmack;532299]I think Rocky should play the strong side as well, and draft Freeman in the 3rd who should be able to instantly step in as the WLB. Take an OL at #13.[/quote]

We are of like mind sir... except that I still have a soft spot for Marcus :)

When they cut him do you think the FO had any intention of bringing him back for less and would he even be interested?

... he's not rated very high as a FA OLB so it's unlikely he'd get a big(ger) contract elsewhere, just been curious whether this is even a possibility.

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rey maualuga for me. i dont think we will take him though, just a hunch. orakpo or OT are mire likely for me

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[quote=The Goat;532302]We are of like mind sir... except that I still have a soft spot for Marcus :)

When they cut him do you think the FO had any intention of bringing him back for less and would he even be interested?

... he's not rated very high as a FA OLB so it's unlikely he'd get a big(ger) contract elsewhere, just been curious whether this is even a possibility.[/quote]

I think Marcus is great, I was a big proponent of getting him here back in 2004...but I think his days as a Redskin are done

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Well, we better beef up the OL, Giants just signed Canty.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532310]Well, we better beef up the OL, Giants just signed Canty.[/quote]

Saw that and agreed. I think the common sense approach is definitely leaning toward OT w/ our first pick and probably @ 13 (no trade-down) because Monroe, Oher, and the Smith's look like they will def be gone by 20. This is a bit of a shame that there isn't enough starting caliber RTs to spread into the 2nd round because Rey Maluauga may actually be available at 20 because of the combine/injury/40 time :mad:

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Wait... i just figured it out. We could package Golston or Monty w/ ARL and our last pick of the draft for Detroit's 20th overall pick, then we get a top OT and Rey. Man this FO thing is really fun once you get the hang of it...

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[quote=SmootSmack;532299]I think Rocky should play the strong side as well, and draft Freeman in the 3rd who should be able to instantly step in as the WLB. Take an OL at #13.[/quote]

This is exactly what ive been thinking we should do. We must take a tackle at 13 because we need someone who can potentially slide to LT in 2010. Its highly unlikely that we could trade down and still get a guy with the potential to do that. This is an extremely deep draft at LB, so someone like Freeman from Ohio state, Ivy from WVU, or perhaps even Zack Follett from Cal could come in right away.

I strongly think we should try to resign Washington though. The cap credit we get from signing someone with his NFL experience should make him very affordable, and not make it necessary to start a 3rd Rd LB right away.

I personally think we may be better off moving Taylor to LB, though. If we did that, we wouldnt necessarily need to bring Washington back and we could resign Daniels and have him start at DE. Like washington, he can be had extremely cheap. We could also draft a DE in the third round. If Brandon Graham from Michigan falls to us there, he would be a steal. We have to remember, now that Haynesworth and Griffin are our DTs, itll make any DEs we put in there look ALOT better. Having Taylor on the roster gives us alot of flexibility in deciding whether to draft a DE or LB in the 3rd.

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Why am I the only one wondering whether Carter could be successful At LDE? Is the verdict already in or something... Carter is a bit stouter than Taylor and for some reason Blache thought Taylor could play LDE. I'm just saying that a rotation at LDE between Daniels or Evans and Carter would let us keep Taylor at his pro-bowl position RDE.

... btw Carter is 6-4 and 252 (thought he was heavier at an earlier point but oh well) and Taylor is 6-5 and 244 (but I heard he drops closer to 240 during the season). Carter could put on a few more pounds too if he were to switch to LDE.

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[quote=The Goat;532338]Why am I the only one wondering whether Carter could be successful At LDE? Is the verdict already in or something... Carter is a bit stouter than Taylor and for some reason Blache thought Taylor could play LDE. I'm just saying that a rotation at LDE between Daniels or Evans and Carter would let us keep Taylor at his pro-bowl position RDE.

... btw Carter is 6-4 and 252 (thought he was heavier at an earlier point but oh well) and Taylor is 6-5 and 244 (but I heard he drops closer to 240 during the season). Carter could put on a few more pounds too if he were to switch to LDE.[/quote]

Yeah I think mentioned a while back that they were successful with Andre Carter at LDE against the Vikings back in 2007...but that's against a Vikings team that was no real threat in the passing game. But I would probably put him there and Taylor at RDE (unless Taylor plays the will)

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[quote=SmootSmack;532366]Yeah I think mentioned a while back that they were successful with Andre Carter at LDE against the Vikings back in 2007...but that's against a Vikings team that was no real threat in the passing game. But I would probably put him there and Taylor at RDE (unless Taylor plays the will)[/quote]


Good memory SS. I thought the concern w/ AC @ LDE might be against the run?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;532319]This is exactly what ive been thinking we should do. We must take a tackle at 13 because we need someone who can potentially slide to LT in 2010. Its highly unlikely that we could trade down and still get a guy with the potential to do that. This is an extremely deep draft at LB, so someone like Freeman from Ohio state, Ivy from WVU, or perhaps even Zack Follett from Cal could come in right away.

I strongly think we should try to resign Washington though. The cap credit we get from signing someone with his NFL experience should make him very affordable, and not make it necessary to start a 3rd Rd LB right away.

I personally think we may be better off moving Taylor to LB, though. If we did that, we wouldnt necessarily need to bring Washington back and we could resign Daniels and have him start at DE. Like washington, he can be had extremely cheap. We could also draft a DE in the third round. If Brandon Graham from Michigan falls to us there, he would be a steal. We have to remember, now that Haynesworth and Griffin are our DTs, itll make any DEs we put in there look ALOT better. Having Taylor on the roster gives us alot of flexibility in deciding whether to draft a DE or LB in the 3rd.[/quote]

I think Taylor is going to play a lot of LB and DE, you're right about the flexibility he gives us.

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[quote=53Fan;532224]Why do you keep saying this? Nick Mangold started as a rookie for the Jets in 2006 and had an outstanding year. So have others.[/quote]

Because i know mack will not be able to pick up New York giant blitzes or philly blitzes or the best sacking team in the league, the cowboys blitzes, in his first year...if we get mack he'll be a guard then center, not visa versa...besides why don't people want max unger, he played guard, center, and tackle and started all four years at oregon...you get more options with unger than you do with mack or any other olineman in the draft....Don't think that I'm gonna be mad about us getting mack, its just that i don't think he'll start or have as much of an impact as you all think he'll have his first season

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[quote=Nflnick11;532387]Because i know mack will not be able to pick up New York giant blitzes or philly blitzes or the best sacking team in the league, the cowboys blitzes, in his first year...if we get mack he'll be a guard then center, not visa versa...besides why don't people want max unger, he played guard, center, and tackle and started all four years at oregon...you get more options with unger than you do with mack or any other olineman in the draft....Don't think that I'm gonna be mad about us getting mack, its just that i don't think he'll start or have as much of an impact as you all think he'll have his first season[/quote]

You have a right to your opinion, but I disagree. Most experts say he can start in his first year. I think they probably know more than either one of us so I'll go with that.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532229]I can guarantee that Mack would start right away for anyone and Smith, Oher or however/whatever T would struggle at first. One thing Gibbs always liked in a player was smarts. Mack has it all.[/quote]

I completley disagree with the fact that you think that those tackles, specifically smith, would struggle and not start right away...Pretty much all the scouts have said that A.Smith would start RIGHT AWAY at RT...for Mack i've heard mixed opinions, some that say he'll start right away, have said that he'd do that at guard, not center...Have you seen every Cal game this year, I was watching mack from the start of this year being that I get all the Pac-10 games, because I've heard he's one of the best centers in this years draft, I watched him and thought he did good, but i noticed he was being put on his back a lot wereas with Unger, and Shipley they held their ground against the BIG boys (I didn't see eric wood that much so I can't say the same) I want to know for a fact that Mack can handle the 3-4 NT's before I draft him

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[quote=Nflnick11;532391]I completley disagree with the fact that you think that those tackles, specifically smith, would struggle and not start right away...Pretty much all the scouts have said that A.Smith would start RIGHT AWAY at RT...for Mack i've heard mixed opinions, some that say he'll start right away, have said that he'd do that at guard, not center...Have you seen every Cal game this year, I was watching mack from the start of this year being that I get all the Pac-10 games, because I've heard he's one of the best centers in this years draft, I watched him and thought he did good, but i noticed he was being put on his back a lot wereas with Unger, and Shipley they held their ground against the BIG boys (I didn't see eric wood that much so I can't say the same) I want to know for a fact that Mack can handle the 3-4 NT's before I draft him[/quote]

I live in the SF Bay area and have seen him play some pretty good pac-10 teams (USC, Oregon, Oregon State) I have also seen Unger, all I can tell you is Mack has held his own and has looked better than Unger. Do you Javhid Best RB for Cal? Guess who led the Pac-10 in rushing with 1580 yards and 15 TD's. Most of his runs were up the middle. Who was blocking? Mack. Enough said.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532394]I live in the SF Bay area and have seen him play some pretty good pac-10 teams (USC, Oregon, Oregon State) I have also seen Unger, all I can tell you is Mack has held his own and has looked better than Unger. Do you Javhid Best RB for Cal? Guess who led the Pac-10 in rushing with 1580 yards and 15 TD's. Most of his runs were up the middle. Who was blocking? Mack. Enough said.[/quote]

Then can you explain to me why he's always on his back

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[quote=Nflnick11;532404]Then can you explain to me why he's always on his back[/quote]

Got film you can show me?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532405]Got film you can show me?[/quote]

Go to YouTube and get the mack video that's by draftparty, I think, or watch mike mayock and he'll mention that that's one negative with him...I can't send you the exact link, bcause I'm on my itouch

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[quote=Nflnick11;532409]Go to YouTube and get the mack video that's by draftparty, I think, or watch mike mayock and he'll mention that that's one negative with him...I can't send you the exact link, bcause I'm on my itouch[/quote]

OMG he's got one negative!? There's alot of links posted on this board about Mack. Check them out. If you still don't like him, fine.

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[quote=Nflnick11;532409]Go to YouTube and get the mack video that's by draftparty, I think, or watch mike mayock and he'll mention that that's one negative with him...I can't send you the exact link, bcause I'm on my itouch[/quote]

Ok. All I'll say is watch him during the season by whoever is lucky to get him in draft.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;532415]Ok. All I'll say is watch him during the season by whoever is lucky to get him in draft.[/quote]

Watch larry English now that's a great player in a position that we currently need... He reminds me a lot of tsuggs

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I'm really excited about this season and the draft now. I think that we really need to address OL issues. But I could also see us going after a DL or a LB. For those that think Ray Mauloga would be a good fit, I don't really agree. After seeing him run that 40 i'm a little hesitant. I'm interested to see how he does at the USC pro day coming up ina few weeks till I put further judgement.

I really see us going after Oher though. When you look at the NFL, the majority of the great teams...have great OL. We need to get some HOGS in there!

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[quote=tootergray34;532428]I'm really excited about this season and the draft now. I think that we really need to address OL issues. But I could also see us going after a DL or a LB. For those that think Ray Mauloga would be a good fit, I don't really agree. After seeing him run that 40 i'm a little hesitant. I'm interested to see how he does at the USC pro day coming up ina few weeks till I put further judgement.

I really see us going after Oher though. When you look at the NFL, the majority of the great teams...have great OL. We need to get some HOGS in there![/quote]

Welcome aboard toot :laughing- ... I bet Rey still runs the 40 faster than London, Blades and Marcus. 40 isn't everything bro and keep in mind we're looking for a monster MLB to take over for London in the next couple of year. Maualuga is a bonafide monster and the hardest hitter in the draft... however, i'm starting to think it makes no difference cuz we're gonna go o-line @ 13 anyway.

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[quote=tootergray34;532428]I'm really excited about this season and the draft now. I think that we really need to address OL issues. But I could also see us going after a DL or a LB. For those that think [B]Ray Mauloga would be a good fit, I don't really agree.[/B] After seeing him run that 40 i'm a little hesitant. I'm interested to see how he does at the USC pro day coming up ina few weeks till I put further judgement.

I really see us going after Oher though. When you look at the NFL, the majority of the great teams...have great OL. We need to get some HOGS in there![/quote]

I think your wrong here.
I prey to he heavens above every night that we draft Ray Maualuga at 13.
I know Oline is more important at this point but got damn he hits hard.

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I agree fellas, I think we go OL cause that is by far the biggest need. I mean, big Rey was only slow cause of a Quad strain...I doubt it is anything serious. I just hope to god if we go LB, we go Rey and not Lauranitis. I think he will be a BUST. But I'm not saying i'm apposed to drafting Rey, I just think we go OL. I'd gladly want that beast on my team.

And speaking of the Trojans...I'm salivating at the hope that we can get Taylor Mays next year.

I don't like to call anybody a next Sean Taylor (may he rest in peace) but you have to admit...we all watch football...aren't you reminded of the great #21 when you watch Taylor Mays play the game?

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Unlike most people, I don't want to trade back, I think there's good value at pick 13 and we can get a long time starter. We don't need to draft based on need just to get a player at every position, just having a good looking roster doesn't translate to wins. I don't want to just add a OLB that we can say will start and it will make our starting line-up look more pretty. We need the best football player. 13 guys I would be happy with (in order): Curry, Crabtree, Maualuga, J Smith/Monroe, Laurinitus, Orakpo, Oher/A Smith, Jenkins, Cushing, Raji, Maclin.

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WRT the depth at OT and LB for this year's draft i think there's a huge difference of opinion... Kiper lists his top 5 OTs:

1. Jason Smith, Baylor
2. Eugene Monroe, Virginia
3. *Andre Smith, Alabama
4. Michael Oher, Mississippi
5. *Eben Britton, Arizona

but goes on to say anyone taken after these will be a project in the NFL. Personally i think all five will go in the first round though maybe 1 or 2 fall into the 20's.

Onto LB it's a pretty bleak picture. Kiper's ILBs:

1. Rey Maualuga, USC
2. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
3. Jason Phillips, TCU
4. Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
5. Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina

Obviously Rey is the big prize but beyond him there isn't a guy who really stands out.

Finally Kiper's take on the OLBs is the most disappointing:

1. Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
2. Clay Matthews, USC
3. Brian Cushing, USC
4. Larry English, Northern Illinois
5. Clint Sintim, Virginia

Curry's ability isn't in question but he'll be gone by the 5th overall pick. Kiper says Sintim really isn't 1st round talent. Also like mentioned a hundred time Cushing has a big durability downside.

Now i've seen a lot of posts here and comments around the web that OT talent is pretty deep and LB talent is uber deep... it doesn't look that way according to the authority, albeit a dorky guy, on college players.

I think the bottom line is that if we hope to get two legit starters at OT and LB from the draft we're probably gonna have to move our 2nd pick up from the 3rd round. On the other hand I loath the idea of trading down from 13 if we have to then pass on A. Smith, Oher or Rey.