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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;534948]Yeah i know, and i would prefer that they do. But im just saying what for some reason that dosent happen, for some reason who we draft at 13 just does not turn out how we all hope? Meh, maybe im just being paranoid:) lol Im just ready for training camp to get here![/quote]

Well that's where luck comes in....I mean the team has had a bit of luck (Chris Horton anyone?) but I think the track record of o-linemen taking in the first round has been ok lately.

And yeah I can't wait until training camp begins, I need something to follow.... I'm not into baseball, the Terps are sucking it up in basketball, and the only thing that's coming up is the NCAA Tourney.

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[quote=The Goat;534949]I'm probably just tired but I don't get your meaning...[/quote]

I think he was trying to be sarcastic, lol

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[quote=The Goat;534949]I'm probably just tired but I don't get your meaning...[/quote]If we had the second round pick, we could conceivably fill those needs. Now, we are pretty much stuck having to choose between them.

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[quote=Ruhskins;534952]Well that's where luck comes in....I mean the team has had a bit of luck (Chris Horton anyone?) but I think the track record of o-linemen taking in the first round has been ok lately.

And yeah I can't wait until training camp begins, I need something to follow.... I'm not into baseball, the Terps are sucking it up in basketball, and the only thing that's coming up is the NCAA Tourney.[/quote]

Yeap, me ethier, plus my hokies arent living up to my execptations in basketball ethier! *shurgs*

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[quote=GTripp0012;534951]As far as free agent lineman go who aren't old, Elton Brown is pretty much the only guy left on the market. Duke Preston (Center, Buffalo) is only 27, but he's been a bust to this point in his career.

After that, there's 27 year old Kwame Harris and 27 year old Rob Pettiti, but those guys are awful.

After that it's all old guys. Still, better to have a bunch of old guys who can play than a bunch of old guys backed up by late round draft picks who cannot.[/quote]

Can't we hope a few gems will still get cut after the draft? I mean it seems like that's what the FO must be hoping to some degree cuz we haven't moved much in FA to shore up needs.

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Does anyone here think that former safety Roy Williams would make a good pressure-LB?

I'm just looking for any possible way we could add talent to our defense without using our first round pick. Damn you Jason Taylor.

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lol who knows? maybe it could happen, im sure he would like to take a crack at the cowgirsl for two games every year

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[quote=GTripp0012;534958]Does anyone here think that former safety Roy Williams would make a good pressure-LB?

I'm just looking for any possible way we could add talent to our defense without using our first round pick. Damn you Jason Taylor.[/quote]

What about Derrick Brooks? Is he that old? I mean if Darth Hoody can get Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrable, and Junior Seau to play well, why can't we?

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I would look at Cato June (still available right?) before Brooks. On the other hand i'm hankering for a real killer type, the whole package, for our new LB. I don't think one exists in FA though.

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[quote=The Goat;534962]I would look at Cato June (still available right?) before Brooks. On the other hand i'm hankering for a real killer type, the whole package, for our new LB. I don't think one exists in FA though.[/quote]

Well I guess it depends on their price. I had also thought about Cato June too. Maybe we can address the LB position with a veteran for now if we get the chance to address the offensive line with the #13.

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[quote=GTripp0012;534958]Does anyone here think that former safety Roy Williams would make a good pressure-LB?

[B]I'm just looking for any possible way we could add talent to our defense without using our first round pick. [/B] Damn you Jason Taylor.[/quote]

Why not... he's about the size of the few decent LB prospects left out there but this guy really likes to lay the wood. Only thing is I doubt he'd come cheap.

Edit: I don't think we can seriously upgrade the d outside of the draft GT, do you? We can help ensure the huge investments we've made won't be wasted in shoring up LDE and OLB w/ serviceable guys. Daniels/Wynn in rotation is a year's fix. Neither guy can hold the spot for a whole game/season but rotating consistently it could actually work. I think LB is the real tuffy. Take a chance on a smaller guy like June, Williams? Maybe it works. The draft lets us choose from guys who will fair better in the the mean NFC East smash-mouth running game. Shit, all the USC backers hit the scale at 240 or above and at least one of those guys will fall to 20.

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[quote=GTripp0012;534958]Does anyone here think that former safety Roy Williams would make a good pressure-LB?

I'm just looking for any possible way we could add talent to our defense without using our first round pick. [B]Damn you Jason Taylor[/B].[/quote]

Really. I didn't like the deal when we got him and now that we need him he's gone.

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[quote=The Goat;534957]Can't we hope a few gems will still get cut after the draft? I mean it seems like that's what the FO must be hoping to some degree cuz we haven't moved much in FA to shore up needs.[/quote]I doubt anyone is close enough to the cap where they would have to make a cut of a player with significant talent in order to sign their draft picks.

Basically, any player who hits the market between now and the season is hitting only because their former employer doesn't think they can play.

So we either fill our needs by getting creative (which is what I suggested Williams for, not that I have the slightest clue if he can bull rush an NFL Guard), or we keep the thirteenth pick, and either address the offense or the defense, and leave the other with less depth than we need.

The other option is 1) hope that we can package our 1st and 3rd picks for two seconds, and 2) nail two impact players at positions of need in the second round.

I just don't see any other way that we would have the complete roster that I hoped for.

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GT do i hear you saying the trade back scenario where we get detroit's 1st and 2nd round picks is totally improbable? What if we sweetened the deal packaging our 1st and last or 1st and 5th round pick?

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I think we could get 2 impact players in the second but the problem would be finding someone with 2 picks in the second who would want to deal.

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[quote=53Fan;534967]Really. I didn't like the deal when we got him and now that we need him he's gone.[/quote]Yeah, we kind of screwed ourselves.

First, there was no good reason for making that deal. We thought we could add an impact player for the price of a second round pick...well an impact player is what you make of it. Blache didn't use Jason Taylor as a unit of talent, he went plug and play.

Which is fine, but don't spend a second round pick if your coordinator is looking for freely available talent.

Now, oddly enough, the Redskins are looking for a unit of talent on the defense. Right now, Andre Carter is your sack threat. If Andre gets hurt...well, then we are right back where we were last year with blitzing every play with players who aren't suited to do that.

Jason Taylor as a LB/backup RE would have filled that need. Instead, we have 8.5 million to spend to go replace him, and no where to spend the money.

So basically, the best available option to fill our lone defensive need is through the draft. But with Willis signing back in Seattle, that draft pick seems needed on offense as well.

Oh well, maybe somebody makes a terrible trade with us to move up and grab a terrible player like Mark Sanchez. There are front offices that are stupid enough to do that, right?

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[quote=The Goat;534969]GT do i hear you saying the trade back scenario where we get detroit's 1st and 2nd round picks is totally improbable? What if we sweetened the deal packaging our 1st and last or 1st and 5th round pick?[/quote]Why in the world would Detroit want our 13th pick? I could see them taking Curry at One and then jumping to try to get one of the big four at 13...but if, say, Andre Smith is there, aren't we just going to take him?

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Yes there are. Of course with Millen out in Detroit it does narrow the list.

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[quote=Ruhskins;534960]What about Derrick Brooks? Is he that old? I mean if Darth Hoody can get Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrable, and Junior Seau to play well, why can't we?[/quote]Problem is, none of those guys were playing well. They were part of a below average defense where if they all did their jobs, they could shut down weak offenses.

And all of those players are younger than Brooks. Except Seau. Brooks, from what I've read, really, really had a rough season last year at age 35.

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[quote=GTripp0012;534972]Why in the world would Detroit want our 13th pick? I could see them taking Curry at One and then jumping to try to get one of the big four at 13...[B]but if, say, Andre Smith is there, aren't we just going to take him?[/B][/quote]

Yeah I see you're point. It's damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.

Questions for you then... why have we been so hesitant to shore up positions of need? Daniels/Wynn for LDE? Crowell on another short term deal for LB? I mean, if the FO knows we're unlikely to have any more gems fall into our lap why aren't we being proactive now before we continue to see opportunities taken away (like Willis even though I realize he was far from a lock to start at RT)... you get my drift.

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[quote=The Goat;534976]Yeah I see you're point. It's damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.

Questions for you then... why have we been so hesitant to shore up positions of need? Daniels/Wynn for LDE? Crowell on another short term deal for LB? I mean, if the FO knows we're unlikely to have any more gems fall into our lap why aren't we being proactive now before we continue to see opportunities taken away (like Willis even though I realize he was far from a lock to start at RT)... you get my drift.[/quote]They didn't want to overpay for Willis, and I can't blame them for that, but now it's clear we needed him more than he needed us.

We have no reason to rush and spend for anyone else, I guess, because the talent is simply not there. LE is easy. That's the easiest position on the field in the Blache scheme, plus we have two system familiar guys on the FA market with no competition for either. On top of all of that, the market is flooded with guys who would do the same thing for less than a million dollars in this defense. So we could wait until (not Cato) June if we wanted to to get our starting LE.

The way I see it, there are no oppertunities to get taken away. I personally would bring Crowell in for a visit asap, but I'm not fooling anyone when I point out that we simply aren't interested in him.

We're adding a linebacker and an offensive lineman with our first two picks, whenever they may be. That's really obvious at this point. It's also obvious that Vinny is going to try his darnest to trade back, but that's going to be done before draft day, if at all, I think.

And, unfortunately, I don't see us being very deep at all on either side of the ball next year. I don't like our roster very much the way it stands right now, although we're probably a lock for 8 wins as long as Campbell and Haynesworth are a lock for 16 games.

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

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dudes for real, there is no way we get suggs, I hate to break it to all the "hopers" out there. But for real, i'd rather go with a rookie...like ray mauluaga if we were really interested in a linebacker. no sense in anymore FA in my opinion. we are about as good as we can get right now through FA. Hopefully we can build off the draft now

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[quote=GTripp0012;534979]They didn't want to overpay for Willis, and I can't blame them for that, but now it's clear we needed him more than he needed us.

We have no reason to rush and spend for anyone else, I guess, because the talent is simply not there. LE is easy. That's the easiest position on the field in the Blache scheme, plus we have two system familiar guys on the FA market with no competition for either. On top of all of that, the market is flooded with guys who would do the same thing for less than a million dollars in this defense. So we could wait until (not Cato) June if we wanted to to get our starting LE.

The way I see it, there are no oppertunities to get taken away. I personally would bring Crowell in for a visit asap, but I'm not fooling anyone when I point out that we simply aren't interested in him.

We're adding a linebacker and an offensive lineman with our first two picks, whenever they may be. That's really obvious at this point. It's also obvious that Vinny is going to try his darnest to trade back, but that's going to be done before draft day, if at all, I think.

And, unfortunately, I don't see us being very deep at all on either side of the ball next year. I don't like our roster very much the way it stands right now, although we're probably a lock for 8 wins as long as Campbell and Haynesworth are a lock for 16 games.

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.[/quote]

Nice post... everything here makes sense but I don't get the draft day comment. Won't trade-back scenarios evolve as the perennial draft order shake-ups occur?

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[quote=The Goat;534981]Nice post... everything here makes sense but I don't get the draft day comment. Won't trade-back scenarios evolve as the perennial draft order shake-ups occur?[/quote]It's the same assumption I made above. The draft analysts are VASTLY overvaluing the quarterback class because...well...it's what they do. Teams are smarter than that (well, at least the ones that don't get their scouting info from the nat'l media, which excludes the Raiders and Bengals).

Basically, any player that could potentially create value by slipping to us at No. 13 would be a player that we would take with the pick. That's pretty much the tackles, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Curry. We'd take all of those guys even with trade offers on the table.

So we might be able to make something before the first player gets taken, which would be the risk-averse move, and would keep us out of the following situation:

1. Curry
2. Monroe
3. Orakpo
4. Smith
5. Jenkins
6. Raji
7. Crabtree
8. Oher
9. Smith
10. Sanchez
11. Lauranitis
12. V. Davis
13. ?

Because that pick is either Cushing, Mack, or Maualuga, and as good a player as I think Rey can be, that's not a good situation for us to make that call over two more immediate impact players.

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We could also take Tyson Jackson with the 13th pick and expect him to be a 7-sack rookie, in which case, it would eliminate the need for the pass-rushing LB, but that's a really optimistic projection, even with Haynesworth on the inside.

He's talent though.

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[quote=GTripp0012;534979]

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.[/quote]


Ohhhh, so that's how it's done "STAR POWER".Not coaching,talent or hard work,not even chemistry...........star power,I'll let Tom Coughlin know that.:goodjob:

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So let me ask you this , you don't think there is a chance the Giants might trade one or two of the D linemen to maybe move up in the draft?

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;534866]Per the Redskin Insider. This doesn't break my heart.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

[B]Willis Picks Seahawks Over Redskins[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman] [I]Jason Reid checks in with this bit of news...[/I]
Guard/tackle Ray Willis, the Redskins' top free agent target to play right tackle, has re-signed with the Seattle Seahawks, a league source said.
Willis chose to return to Seattle instead of accepting the Redskins' free agent offer.
The Redskins are now expected to pursue Arizona guard/tackle Elton Brown.
[/FONT][/quote]

It may not break your heart but JC may get his heart broken when a Giant kills him next season from that right side of the line!

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[quote=44ever;534884]How does FO go after AH without DE's. I mean VC could'nt have asked JT about this workout BS 6 weeks ago? Then JT would have jet and we could have had AH and Canty. This really frustrates me. Last year the excuse was. Were not getting enough pressure up the middle. So our DE's are to late to the QB. This year its going to be. We have no pursuit from the outside. QB's are rolling out with no containment and AH cant get to the QB. Sorry, I was typing as I was thinking. :)[/quote] You are right. If you spend that kind of coin on AH and only have one draft pick for two starting spots you don't kick Taylor to the street and make three needs. I could see getting Canty to fill that spot or picking up a FA RT and LB but Willis is goen and Brown is not a RT. So where are we now a team that has been out played in the off season by the Giants plan and simple. Not saying Taylor was going to be lights out because he never seem to fit that right DE spot. What realy hurts is not having that 2nd round pick!!! Same old dead skins as my Cowboys friends say!!! Just getting old!!!

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;534866]Per the Redskin Insider. This doesn't break my heart.

[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL]

[B]Willis Picks Seahawks Over Redskins[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman] [I]Jason Reid checks in with this bit of news...[/I]
Guard/tackle Ray Willis, the Redskins' top free agent target to play right tackle, has re-signed with the Seattle Seahawks, a league source said.
Willis chose to return to Seattle instead of accepting the Redskins' free agent offer.
The Redskins are now expected to pursue Arizona guard/tackle Elton Brown.
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that's okay, he signed with his own team for presumably nothing much better than offered

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[quote=GTripp0012;534985]It's the same assumption I made above. The draft analysts are VASTLY overvaluing the quarterback class because...well...it's what they do. Teams are smarter than that (well, at least the ones that don't get their scouting info from the nat'l media, which excludes the Raiders and Bengals).

Basically, any player that could potentially create value by slipping to us at No. 13 would be a player that we would take with the pick. That's pretty much the tackles, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Curry. We'd take all of those guys even with trade offers on the table.

So we might be able to make something before the first player gets taken, which would be the risk-averse move, and would keep us out of the following situation:

1. Curry
2. Monroe
3. Orakpo
4. Smith
5. Jenkins
6. Raji
7. Crabtree
8. Oher
9. Smith
10. Sanchez
11. Lauranitis
12. V. Davis
13. ?

Because that pick is either Cushing, Mack, or Maualuga, and as good a player as I think Rey can be, that's not a good situation for us to make that call over two more immediate impact players.[/quote]


What I think is hard for people to realize is that this scenario is not far fetched at all. If we don't do anything from now til the draft, and this happens, we will reach. I'm not saying it would be the end of the world but it would be disappointing considering we started in the beginning of March with 12Million dollars in cap room and the 13 pick and we come away with one player.

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This is a good thread with some insightful thinking. I have a few comments based on what has been said so far.

1. Why not try to rent a veteran (read old) FA RT for a year? Tra Thomas would be nice and John Runyan might be able to do the job, as well.

BTW, I just noticed in abbrieviating the terms "free agent right tackle" that if you push the letters together they spell "FART". So, why not pick up an old FART for a year, unless you think there's none better than the old fart we already have?

2. The scenario where Detroit may want to trade for our #13 pick might be where Detroit picks Curry #1 and Stafford is still available at #13, enabling them to get both players.

3. Nobody mentioned in this thread that scouts think that C Alex Mack could also play guard in the NFL. He could backup at C and G now and eventually replace Rabach at C.

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[quote=cobracai1;534927]I think Smoot mentioned it but the Raiders didn't pick up Barnes. I honestly think that we should turn our attention to him as either depth or a potential starter on the right side in case one of the big 4 dont drop to us at 13. I'm starting to get worried we're going into the season with Jansen, Heyer, and Clark as our potential right tackles. That is scary to me[/quote]

I'm pretty sure we're one of the teams talking to him. I'm less and less sure the FO wants to select an OL high

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I think if we can get Barnes and Brown (doubt that) we should not worry that much about the right side. I agree with SS, I think were one of the teams he's talking to, and the fact that we might pay him LT money to play RT for a few years might convince him to sign with us.

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[quote=GTripp0012;534958]Does anyone here think that former safety Roy Williams would make a good pressure-LB?

I'm just looking for any possible way we could add talent to our defense without using our first round pick. Damn you Jason Taylor.[/quote]

I'm still holding out that JT may be resigned later on down the road. He's got his Jason Taylor Foundation down in Florida that he works with heavily. Being in DC during the off-season would have significantly reduced his involvement. At this stage in his career he can pretty much call his shots. He says "I want to stay in Florida". The team says "No, we need you here". The two sides agree to part ways perhaps leaving open the possibility of him resigning with the team at a later time. Both sides win and neither looks like a chump...

end pipe dream.

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Not getting Willis narrowed our 13th overall draft selection.

We need to force a RT now with our selection.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;535013]I'm still holding out that JT may be resigned later on down the road. He's got his Jason Taylor Foundation down in Florida that he works with heavily. Being in DC during the off-season would have significantly reduced his involvement. At this stage in his career he can pretty much call his shots. He says "I want to stay in Florida". The team says "No, we need you here". The two sides agree to part ways perhaps leaving open the possibility of him resigning with the team at a later time. Both sides win and neither looks like a chump...

end pipe dream.[/quote]

I most definately hope not, there is a reason he was cut, he didnt want to put in the effort, we dont need someone like that on our squad...sets a bad example for the younger players, whom already havent shown they can handle the NFL yet!!

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Get crowell I FA, trade down draft mack, you hopefully get a 2nd rounder, draft Loadholt, to play right tackle, use the 3rd rounder on a DE like a brandon Williams of Texas tech, and use the rest of our picks on Tackles, LBs, and DE's...hopefully to find the next horton type pick/starter

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Man this sucks, what a bind we are in aren't we fellas? But eh, this is nothing new, typically redskins!, im just ready for the season to start to see how bad we can be this year!! and for next offseason when, (as of now) we have all draft picks. SOooo its going to take next year too before we are at were we want to be.

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;535038]Man this sucks, what a bind we are in aren't we fellas? But eh, this is nothing new, typically redskins!, im just ready for the season to start to see how bad we can be this year!! and for next offseason when, (as of now) we have all draft picks. SOooo its going to take next year too before we are at were we want to be.[/quote]

Way to give up before the first snap of OTA's. :Flush: BTW, we don't have all of out picks next year, we sent our 6th to Miami for Taylor so I guess in your mind next offseason is scrapped too? Yay, 2011. :hater: