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[quote=GTripp0012;537485]Well, there's this [URL="http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/03/nfl-outsider-mock-draft-mid-march-mock-madness-1st-round.html"]moron[/URL].

His top 12 looks really similar to this thread. Huh.

;)[/quote]

Ohh... snap! In all fairness that's way higher than I've seen Mack go in all the other mocks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537485]Well, there's this [URL="http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/03/nfl-outsider-mock-draft-mid-march-mock-madness-1st-round.html"]moron[/URL].

His top 12 looks really similar to this thread. Huh.

;)[/quote]

:laughing2 I love it!

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Matt Stafford.

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i know it was already said, but Matthew Stafford

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[quote=GTripp0012;537485]Well, there's this [URL="http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/03/nfl-outsider-mock-draft-mid-march-mock-madness-1st-round.html"]moron[/URL].

His top 12 looks really similar to this thread. Huh.

;)[/quote]

What a travesty. If you shoot pool with some employee there, they'll put you on their website. Just kidding, of course. They could do much worse than you (and regularly do).

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[quote=The Goat;537479]I saw an early draft board that had him going at the bottom of the 1st round... can't remember right now whether it was SI, ESPN, or NFL. Anywho, i totally agree w/ you GM. It's also impractical cuz I doubt the FO will cut Rabach and put all their eggs in the Mack basket... [B]Mack probably wouldn't even start for a while.[/B] So basically it saves us no money this year and means center eats up two full roster spots for the year... oh yeah we don't get a franchise LB either :([/quote]

Yeah and we know how much Blache likes to start rookies so Rey-Rey would start opening day? :laughing2 Isn't Blache the guy who said he'd rather fall in love with a stripper than a rookie? Just busting your balls a little Goat. :)

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[quote=53Fan;537393]This is an easy one for me. Alex Mack-Center-Cal. It's time to stop putting the win on the defenses shoulders all the time. Nice Thread![/quote]

Pick Alex Mack after a trade down with Detroit in the 20th spot, if not possible, then pick him at 13.

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[quote=53Fan;537494]Yeah and we know how much Blache likes to start rookies so Rey-Rey would start opening day? :laughing2 Isn't Blache the guy who said he'd rather fall in love with a stripper than a rookie? Just busting your balls a little Goat. :)[/quote]

Good one... basically we've got stodgy traditionalists running the show on both sides of the LOS. But otherwise you bring up a good point too if the draft shakes out the way GTripp has it here do we even get a starter w/ our first pick?

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[quote=The Goat;537499]Good one... basically we've got stodgy traditionalists running the show on both sides of the LOS. But otherwise you bring up a good point too if the draft shakes out the way GTripp has it here do we even get a starter w/ our first pick?[/quote]

Raback still has gas in the tank but gets beat by elite nose tackles. Mack could start at the earliest by mid-season. Who knows?

If we draft a defensive player they could probably start right away given how camp plays out.

Don't be so down Goat. No one knows how the season is going to play out. Horton was put into a starting postion. Who saw Hall coming? Remember when everyone was on the Jordan Cross wagon? He was forced to start too and didn't miss a beat. You never know.

It's not too late to get on the Mack wagon.

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why has everyone forgot about everette brown...the guy can flat out get to the qb

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oops sorry just saw that he was picked at number 10... well anyway if he falls to us i would love to have him

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[quote=RedTempleSkin;537395]Your right it is easy, but you have the wrong answer. Trade down.[/quote]

Well that didn't take long.

FAIL.

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[quote=mattyk72;537533]well that didn't take long.

Fail.[/quote]

epic

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What's the record for the most OL taken in the top 10?

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Maybin

I admit I don't know if this guy is best suited as an OLB, but if he can play Sam & rush the passer, he's worth the pick.

Is Tyson Jackson really a top 10 pick at this point? And Oher? I'd be surprised to see that.

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Take Unger or Mack. Due to cap restraints, trade some of remaining draft picks or 1 lower one from next years to get into the upper 2nd round and take an OT Britton or Loadholt to solid up the O-line, then let's go on to camp.

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[quote=Mattyk72;537536]What's the record for the most OL taken in the top 10?[/quote]

Here are some numbers I put together for OL's taken in the 1st Round. I looked at Top 12 since we pick 13th.

Year Total Top 12 Position

2008 8 2 8T
2007 4 1 1T, 1G (29)
2006 2 1 1T, 1G (23)
2005 4 0 2T, 1G (32), 1C (36)
2004 3 1 3T
2003 4 1 3T, 1C (21)
2002 5 3 4T, 1G (30)
2001 4 1 2T, 2G (2, 17)
2000 3 1 3T
1999 6 0 4T, 1G (19), 1C (17)

Well, let's see then. The most OL taken in the Top 12 in the last 10 drafts was 3. During that period, only 1 G and no C were taken in the Top 12.

Only 7 G and 3 C have been taken in the 1st Round in the last 10 years. Most of them turned out to be exceptional players.

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I have read your case for Mack and I think it is compelling. I also like him as a player and, in this doomsday scenario, I could support taking him at #13. He is athletic, moves well, and has nice leg drive, particularly when he is blocking on the second level. He can probably play lower, and will have to in order to dig out elite nose tackles on the next level, but I think he has the athleticism to improve on his technique. My question, however, would be to what extent the Redskins acknowledge their need at Center? I am perfectly willing to admit that Rabach is a serious liability, but do they recognize that fact? That would be the central question in this scenario.

I know they acknowledge their need at OLB and for a pass rusher. Aaron Maybin would fit both of those criteria and would be a good system player in Blache's scheme. I have also read your case against Maybin and find that equally compelling (one year player, no chance to regress to mean, really a system fit and probably not fit with whoever succeeds Blache). My feeling, though, would be that in the scenario you offer the Redskins would attempt to fill the need that they see as most urgent and take Maybin over Mack. I'd rather have Mack in the first and Sidbury in the third, but I think the choice here would be Maybin.

[yt]P8xCkToEnJ8[/yt]

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537550]I have read your case for Mack and I think it is compelling. I also like him as a player and, in this doomsday scenario, I could support taking him at #13. He is athletic, moves well, and has nice leg drive, particularly when he is blocking on the second level. He can probably play lower, and will have to in order to dig out elite nose tackles on the next level, but I think he has the athleticism to improve on his technique. My question, however, would be to what extent the Redskins acknowledge their need at Center? I am perfectly willing to admit that Rabach is a serious liability, but do they recognize that fact? That would be the central question in this scenario.

I know they acknowledge their need at OLB and for a pass rusher. Aaron Maybin would fit both of those criteria and would be a good system player in Blache's scheme. I have also read your case against Maybin and find that equally compelling (one year player, no chance to regress to mean, really a system fit and probably not fit with whoever succeeds Blache). My feeling, though, would be that in the scenario you offer the Redskins would attempt to fill the need that they see as most urgent and take Maybin over Mack.[B] I'd rather have Mack in the first and Sidbury[/B] [B]in the third[/B], but I think the choice here would be Maybin.

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Mack in the first and Sidbury in the third would be alright with me. I'd love to see Sidbury playing next to AH. Could also play SAM.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537550]I have read your case for Mack and I think it is compelling. I also like him as a player and, in this doomsday scenario, I could support taking him at #13. He is athletic, moves well, and has nice leg drive, particularly when he is blocking on the second level. He can probably play lower, and will have to in order to dig out elite nose tackles on the next level, but I think he has the athleticism to improve on his technique. My question, however, would be to what extent the Redskins acknowledge their need at Center? I am perfectly willing to admit that Rabach is a serious liability, but do they recognize that fact? That would be the central question in this scenario.

I know they acknowledge their need at OLB and for a pass rusher. Aaron Maybin would fit both of those criteria and would be a good system player in Blache's scheme. I have also read your case against Maybin and find that equally compelling (one year player, no chance to regress to mean, really a system fit and probably not fit with whoever succeeds Blache). My feeling, though, would be that in the scenario you offer the Redskins would attempt to fill the need that they see as most urgent and take Maybin over Mack. I'd rather have Mack in the first and Sidbury in the third, but I think the choice here would be Maybin.

[yt]P8xCkToEnJ8[/yt][/quote]

I just so I can cover as many bases as humanly possible, in your scenario I'd take Robert Ayers.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537550]I have read your case for Mack and I think it is compelling. I also like him as a player and, in this doomsday scenario, I could support taking him at #13. [B]He is athletic, moves well, and has nice leg drive, particularly when he is blocking on the second level. He can probably play lower, and will have to in order to dig out elite nose tackles on the next level[/B], but I think he has the athleticism to improve on his technique. My question, however, would be to what extent the Redskins acknowledge their need at Center? I am perfectly willing to admit that Rabach is a serious liability, but do they recognize that fact? That would be the central question in this scenario.

I know they acknowledge their need at OLB and for a pass rusher. Aaron Maybin would fit both of those criteria and would be a good system player in Blache's scheme. I have also read your case against Maybin and find that equally compelling (one year player, no chance to regress to mean, really a system fit and probably not fit with whoever succeeds Blache). My feeling, though, would be that in the scenario you offer the Redskins would attempt to fill the need that they see as most urgent and take Maybin over Mack. I'd rather have Mack in the first and Sidbury in the third, but I think the choice here would be Maybin.

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Yeah, I agree with you about Mack. He is athletic and works hard, but does he have the strength and technique to go against great nfl NTs and DTs week in and week out. The thing I find interesting about Mack in highlights is that he seems to be off his feet in a majority of the plays - too much leaning, overcompensating for a lack of strength?

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[quote=warriorzpath;537554]Yeah, I agree with you about Mack. He is athletic and works hard, but does he have the strength and technique to go against great nfl NTs and DTs week in and week out. The thing I find interesting about Mack in highlights is that he seems to be off his feet in a majority of the plays - too much leaning, overcompensating for a lack of strength?[/quote]

I don't think he has a problem with strength. He is aggressive and always moving forward. I've seen him in pass blocking where the DT didn't even budge him. Not even a step. He is a huge center and may need to work a little on his footwork, but strength is not a problem. He's a HOG.

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[quote=Nflnick11;537460]I have no idea y people like laurinatis, I see a bust, and no , [B]he doesn't have "it"[/B]. He does have slowness though and is a big nice "PASS" for me (same with marcus freeman)...I'll take pretty much any other LB over the two Ohio state LBs[/quote]

Yeah, that's what laurinatis seems to lack the most - "IT". Who knows, he may improve once he gets to the nfl, but you can say this much for everyone given the chance.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537550]My question, however, would be to what extent the Redskins acknowledge their need at Center?[/quote]

Joe Bugel quoted in a Redskins.com article dated 2/12/09:

Of veteran center Casey Rabach: “He is one of the top players I have ever coached at his position. His preparation is impeccable. He knows the offense inside and out. He knows the defenses we’re playing inside and out. [B]He’s a strong cog on our football team.[/B] He’s really a very quiet, unassuming leader.”

[I]To answer your question: It seems they don't recognize it at all.[/I]

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go for Unger or Mack at 13th. See if we can trade other picks for a high 2nd rounder to get Britton or Loadholt to backup aging O-line.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;537561]Joe Bugel quoted in a Redskins.com article dated 2/12/09:

Of veteran center Casey Rabach: “He is one of the top players I have ever coached at his position. His preparation is impeccable. He knows the offense inside and out. He knows the defenses we’re playing inside and out. [B]He’s a strong cog on our football team.[/B] He’s really a very quiet, unassuming leader.”

[I]To answer your question: It seems they don't recognize it at all.[/I][/quote]

Buges has lobbied for linemen before to no avail. He does'nt get to buy the groceries. I love Buges but if it were up to him, Jansen would probably be our starting RT for the next 3 years.

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[quote=warriorzpath;537560]Yeah, that's what laurinatis seems to lack the most - "IT". Who knows, he may improve once he gets to the nfl, but you can say this much for everyone given the chance.[/quote]

I also wonder about the assumption that the Redskins could just take Maulauga or Laurinatis and plug them in at SLB. They are both ILB's and I don't know about the assumption that they can just play anywhere. I say this having not watched much of either and more of Maulauga than Laurinatis, but neither offers much of a pass rush (which has been and will continue to be a liability in Blache's scheme). With all the needs the Redskins have at multiple positions taking a MLB seems like a luxery they can't afford at the moment. They have Fletcher and Blades has not done anything to suggest he cannot serve as a competent replacement at MLB when the time comes.

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I like the idea of getting Mack if we could trade down & pick up a 2nd too. Mack should be around in the 20-32 range.

After thinking about the impact of a center, I think we might be undervaluing it. The center calls a lot of signals to his linemates & has to be prepared. Also, w/so many teams playing the 3-4 well, dominant nose tackles are going to be a position that a lot of coaches covet. We'll see more DTs being developed for that.

I don't think Buges et al believe Rabach's play isn't a concern, it just likely isn't their biggest concern. J. Ratliff beat him badly that one game, but aside from that I think he's played at least ok.

Bottom line to me, center is not the highest priority but if Mack is the BPA after we trade down, I think it's a smart pick.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;537482][quote=GTripp0012;537391]You only have to answer in one word if you wish, but if you prefer the long winded dramatic explanation, I know how you feel.

*NO TRADE DOWNS! MAKE A PICK!*

1) Jason Smith
2) Eugene Monroe
3) Aaron Curry
4) Michael Oher
5) Brian Orakpo
6) Andre Smith
7) Jeremy Maclin
8) Michael Crabtree
9) Tyson Jackson
10) Everette Brown
11) Rey Maualuga
12) BJ Raji


#13 OLB Larry English....Absolute stud!!![/quote]

Agreed. English is a beast. Will end up being another Ray Lewis. Stamp it!

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Were going to trade down w/ Min (22) and select Alex Mack, and pick up a 2nd and draft Jason Williams OLB W. Illinois. But if I had to pick at 13, I'd choose Tyson Jackson DE LSU. Some mocks have him going at 10 to SF, but I think he'll fall to us. He can play the run as well as rush the passer.

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According to my draft board I would take Alex Mack. Michael Johnson and Moreno would also get consideration.

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pick again villain. in the scenario this discussion is based on, jackson has already been drafted with the 9th pick.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;537550]I have read your case for Mack and I think it is compelling. I also like him as a player and, in this doomsday scenario, I could support taking him at #13. He is athletic, moves well, and has nice leg drive, particularly when he is blocking on the second level. He can probably play lower, and will have to in order to dig out elite nose tackles on the next level, but I think he has the athleticism to improve on his technique. [B]My question, however, would be to what extent the Redskins acknowledge their need at Center?[/B] I am perfectly willing to admit that Rabach is a serious liability, but do they recognize that fact? That would be the central question in this scenario.

I know they acknowledge their need at OLB and for a pass rusher. Aaron Maybin would fit both of those criteria and would be a good system player in Blache's scheme. I have also read your case against Maybin and find that equally compelling (one year player, no chance to regress to mean, really a system fit and probably not fit with whoever succeeds Blache). My feeling, though, would be that in the scenario you offer the Redskins would attempt to fill the need that they see as most urgent and take Maybin over Mack. I'd rather have Mack in the first and Sidbury in the third, but I think the choice here would be Maybin. [/quote]The Skins coaches know I'm sure. They study the tape, Zorn even comes up with plays so that Rabach can go pick on someone his own size.

They might overestimate their own abilities to compensate for him, but if we can trade down and Mack is still the BLA, we'll almost certainly pull the trigger.

This thread is supposed to be a fun little doomsday scenario, where no good value players are available. In reality though, I'm actually pretty sure that Oher will be the next Redskin (unless we pass on him). Kiper doesn't think he's going until the late 20's, and I don't think anyone will pull the trigger on him after Cincinnati because everyone else has other needs that would take precident unless they really like Oher.

I do think there's a solid chance that the big four will be gone, but it all depends on the top of the draft.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537636]The Skins coaches know I'm sure. They study the tape, Zorn even comes up with plays so that Rabach can go pick on someone his own size.

They might overestimate their own abilities to compensate for him, but if we can trade down and Mack is still the BLA, we'll almost certainly pull the trigger.

This thread is supposed to be a fun little doomsday scenario, where no good value players are available. In reality though,[B] I'm actually pretty sure that Oher will be the next Redskin (unless we pass on him)[/B]. Kiper doesn't think he's going until the late 20's, and I don't think anyone will pull the trigger on him after Cincinnati because everyone else has other needs that would take precident unless they really like Oher.
[B]
I do think there's a solid chance that the big four will be gone, but it all depends on the top of the draft.[/B][/quote]

Wait, you're pretty sure Oher will be the next Redskin, but you also think there is a solid chance the big four will be gone?

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[quote=GMScud;537641]Wait, you're pretty sure Oher will be the next Redskin, but you also think there is a solid chance the big four will be gone?[/quote]Um...yeah. Something like that.

I think there will be a lot of demand for the big four, and it's a larger chance than most people realize that they all go in the top ten. With that said, it's [I]probable[/I] (but certainly not a sure thing) that at least one slips through the cracks and I believe it will be Oher.

I'm not making much sense today.

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To clarify:

If I ask Joe Schmoe with a mock draft how likely he thinks it is that all four tackles will go before the Skins pick, he might say 1 in 10 or 1 in 12. I'd say it's closer to 1 in 3.

But if I think there is one player the Skins will end up with, it's Oher, because there's a greater "we'll take him if he's there" probability than with any other player.

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[quote=SmootSmack;537466]We'll agree to disagree then. I thought he'd be a bust also, until I watched a bunch of game tape[/quote]

Watching the Ohio State Bowl Game it became clear that Laurinitis doesn't have the wheels to make it t the edge. He couldn't stop any sweeps in that game. No thanks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;537644]Um...yeah. Something like that.

I think there will be a lot of demand for the big four, and it's a larger chance than most people realize that they all go in the top ten. With that said, it's [I]probable[/I] (but certainly not a sure thing) that at least one slips through the cracks and I believe it will be Oher.

I'm not making much sense today.[/quote]

Gotcha.

This is a solid mock draft, and presents a scenario where Oher would be available (even though they have us passing on him).

[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php]Draft Countdown - 2009 NFL Mock Draft[/url]

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Oher has been and still is my top choice at the end of the day...and I think the Redskins feel the same way

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[quote=Dirtbag359;537627]According to my draft board I would take Alex Mack. Michael Johnson and Moreno would also get consideration.[/quote]

Incidentally, Michael Johnson only did 20 reps of 225 lbs. in his pro day bench press...a whopping one more than Andre Smith