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[quote=30gut;538924]Yeah Zorn hand picked his QB in JC when he agreed to come to the Redskins and become JC's OC.

As HC if he didn't want JC he would have trade to trade him ala McDaniels/Cutler

Then he wouldn't have named JC the unquestioned starter.

Then he wouldn't have pinned his hopes for success on JC arm.

According to Matt Mosley:

[URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-2-47/What-s-in-Mosley-s-Mailbag-.html"]What's in Mosley's Mailbag? - NFC East - ESPN[/URL]


Imo if Colt has a [B][I]stellar[/I][/B] pre-season [I]maybe[/I] he could beat out Todd Collins for the 2 spot

:food-smil

HTTR![/quote]
That is a joke. JC a perennial pro bowler!!!! Someone really has drunk up the Kool Aid.

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Good Work. We all will sit and wait. Zorn, JC, Thrash, Colt, Rock, the whole line, Moss, ARE, can't beat the Rams. Get ready for the meltdown. One thing DS could do is bring in a coach. Milk and cookie time is over. Zorn Plz leave now.

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[quote=Eknox;538935]I have to admit after seeing that they are bringing in Sanchez, I don't think they are sold on Jason or Colt..[/quote]

I wouldn't put too much stock in these personal workouts. I believe it was the Giants last year that brought in Joe Flacco and/or Matt Ryan in for a workout last year. Didn't we bring in Calvin Johnson a couple of years back? Anyhow, personal workouts are not always a sign we're targeting that person

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[quote=WaldSkins;538939]Where did you see this at?[/quote]

[url=http://profootball.scout.com/2/849360.html]Scout.com: 2009 NFL Draft: Busy Week Ahead for Sanchez[/url]

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I like Brennan but he's going to have to bulk up if he's going to play QB at this level. I saw him (he was hanging with Cooley) in Atlantic City soon after the season ended and he can't be more than 185 soaking wet. I think he has the skill to be a good quarterback in the NFL but the question is can he withstand the punishment.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;538952]That is a joke. JC a perennial pro bowler!!!! Someone really has drunk up the Kool Aid.[/quote]

Well i guess Zorn, the QB guru, is drinking the Kool Aid.

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I believe that Zorn is buying time with Campbell to groom Brennan as the new franchise QB for the Redskins. Let's face it, JC failed to lead the team down the last stretch of the season. This may be attributed to the new system, but it didn't phase him early on. He did well under the new system but once things heated up, he showed he faulters under pressure. I say give Colt a chance. He can't do much worse. He may even surprise everyone since the leagues other teams don't know his method of play. Brennan is also more competitive than Campbell it seems in his play.

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Last, let's hope the Front Office decides to stock our O-line up through the draft so we can give whomever is under Center a decent chance to get us to the playoffs and beyond.

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[quote=EEich;538921]Sure... Brennan is a proven future superstar.
They are completely sold on his ability to win superbowls.
That's explains why they are bringing Sanchez in for a visit this week.[/quote]

Brennan needs a backup to give him a breather when Colt throws his 6th TD pass of the game and we're up by 40 points heading into the 3rd quarter.







(really, I believe Brennan is a quality backup for us for the future)

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[quote=redskingrove;539097]I believe that Zorn is buying time with Campbell to groom Brennan as the new franchise QB for the Redskins. [B]Let's face it, JC failed to lead the team down the last stretch of the season. [/B] This may be attributed to the new system, but it didn't phase him early on. He did well under the new system but once things heated up, he showed he faulters under pressure. I say give Colt a chance. He can't do much worse. He may even surprise everyone since the leagues other teams don't know his method of play. Brennan is also more competitive than Campbell it seems in his play.[/quote]

Yup, he failed at being able to throw the ball while laying flat on his a$$ with a defensive player on top of him. It's all JC's fault. :doh:

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[quote=Ruhskins;539111]Yup, he failedat being able to throw the ball while laying flat on his a$$ with a defensive player on top of him. It's all JC's fault. :doh:[/quote]Yeah, you know those crazy college rules teach those QBs some bad habits, like the play stops when you are getting crushed on the ground by some 320 lb DT.

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[quote=John Denny;538988]I like Brennan but he's going to have to bulk up if he's going to play QB at this level. I saw him (he was hanging with Cooley) in Atlantic City soon after the season ended and he can't be more than 185 soaking wet. I think he has the skill to be a good quarterback in the NFL but the question is can he withstand the punishment.[/quote]

FACT: Colt Brennan does not withstand punishment, he administers punishment

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[quote=Dblock804;538982]Good Work. We all will sit and wait. Zorn, JC, Thrash, Colt, Rock, the whole line, Moss, ARE, can't beat the Rams. Get ready for the meltdown. One thing DS could do is bring in a coach. Milk and cookie time is over. Zorn Plz leave now.[/quote]

Thanks for the insightful commentary.

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Colt doesnt do pushups. He pushes the world down.

(please reference all chuck norris' jokes when referring to Colt's strength or omnipotence)

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[quote=Monksdown;539164]Colt doesnt do pushups. He pushes the world down.

([B]please reference all chuck norris' jokes when referring to Colt's strength or omnipotence[/B])[/quote]

or (for MD Terps fans) Bambale Osby. LOL.

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It always amazes me that all of the Colt Cult won't acknowledge that he didn't even beat out a 38 year old for the 2nd spot last year, yet they scream he's the next coming at the position.



does any one remember when JC was a 3rd string with gibbs and said he would start the folowing week if the starter was benched??????

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[quote=steven4est;539189]It always amazes me that all of the Colt Cult won't acknowledge that he didn't even beat out a 38 year old for the 2nd spot last year, yet they scream he's the next coming at the position.



does any one remember when JC was a 3rd string with gibbs and said he would start the folowing week if the starter was benched??????[/quote]

Thats not a very good argument. That 38 year old guy lead us to the playoffs and colt was a rook.

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[quote=steven4est;539189]It always amazes me that all of the Colt Cult won't acknowledge that he didn't even beat out a 38 year old for the 2nd spot last year, yet they scream he's the next coming at the position.



does any one remember when JC was a 3rd string with gibbs and said he would start the folowing week if the starter was benched??????[/quote]

Nobody expected him to.. it's very doubtful he would've even gotten the chance to become number 2.. you bring in a 6th rounder behind a guy you just paid decent money to stay and the roster spot will remain the same regardless

If anyone things that Colt could just step in and change the team, I'd probably say that you're a bit delusional, it's highly unlikely anybody on this board even got to see him much in college, only youtube

Colt and his former coach at Hawaii both said he wasn't ready to lead an NFL team yet, he was still learning and developing.. Colt might go in and look a little more exciting in the passing game, but I'd have to say he'd probably throw more INTs as well.. he's accurate but still needs to develop more in defensive reads now that he's in the NFL.. Campbell does too, but he's shown most of the other characteristics of being a leader

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[quote=tryfuhl;539233]Nobody expected him to.. it's very doubtful he would've even gotten the chance to become number 2.. you bring in a 6th rounder behind a guy you just paid decent money to stay and the roster spot will remain the same regardless

If anyone things that Colt could just step in and change the team, I'd probably say that you're a bit delusional, [B]it's highly unlikely anybody on this board even got to see him much in college[/B], only youtube

Colt and his former coach at Hawaii both said he wasn't ready to lead an NFL team yet, he was still learning and developing.. Colt might go in and look a little more exciting in the passing game, but I'd have to say he'd probably throw more INTs as well.. he's accurate but still needs to develop more in defensive reads now that he's in the NFL.. Campbell does too, but he's shown most of the other characteristics of being a leader[/quote]

I was able to see him for two years as the QB for Hawaii and he's built to play on Sundays. He has a knack for winning and making clutch passes. He's going to get banged around, but he will get back up and make plays. I also like watching Campbell, he's very consistent. In fact, too consistent. Our offense need Colt's energy.

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[quote=Paintrain;538803]Everybody knows the only reason that Colt isn't starting is because the NFL deemed him too dangerous to play in regular season games. They know he will break every passing record ever created in his first month as a starter and they don't want to undo 100+ years of NFL History.[/quote]

Thanks for my second laugh of the day, the first being the $500 Redskin statue from another thread.

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JC is just a slightly jazzed up version of Frerotte, face it. Think Gus had shit to work with from '95-'98? That fact didn't faze Casserly in not renewing Frerotte's contract, who of course asked for a raise. Think Snyder is going to give JC a raise for a 7-9 or another 8-8 record? Haynesworth is going to help out for sure, but damn we have holes the size of Pluto to fill with regards to putting together a first class offensive unit. Do you think the WR's are going to catch fire all of a sudden? The rooks might increase production but not by a whole lot. Let's be honest for a change, none of the post Gibbs I era Qb's with the exception of Johnson have had a lot to work with, and even then you can debate that. JC is no exception and to be quite honest with the exception of Cooley and a healthy Moss, I think Frerotte might have had a better WR corp than him. Frerotte had a pretty good O line as well. The one we have now seems to be always falling apart with injuries. I hope to god we don't trade down. We need another quality linemen ala Samuels or Lachey!!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;539522]JC is just a slightly jazzed up version of Frerotte, face it. Think Gus had shit to work with from '95-'98? [/quote]They have nothing in common except that they are similar in your own mind. I can't say I'm shocked given your user name, but it's hard to see any sort of relevance in comparing Campbell to a guy who last played for the Skins in 1997.

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[quote=GTripp0012;539530]They have nothing in common except that they are similar in your own mind. I can't say I'm shocked given your user name, but it's hard to see any sort of relevance in comparing Campbell to a guy who last played for the Skins in 1997.[/quote]


Statwise they are not that far apart. JC won't surpass Frerotte in total yards passing til weeks 6-8 if his average of last year holds up. Also to surpass Frerotte's TD career mark JC better hope his WR corp gets it act together. Check the yardage and TD marks yourself. And by the way JC is average to above average, and that is the comparison that I am making. If Frerotte and even Johnson were expendable with their respective acheivements as Skins, why do you think JC should be an automatic resign? That is the whole thing that boggles my mind.

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To Gtripp,


The whole comparison with JC and Frerotte is that they will/were given time to mature and show some progression into a potential franchise QB. Frerotte didn't get over the hump per say, so he was released. I just don't see JC getting over the hump in proving he is a bona fide franchise QB this season with the "crap" he has to work with. Frerotte didn't have much to work with either. That to me is the similarity also. My whole thing is why should everyone think JC should be resigned, when if '09 sucks again he hasn't proven himself capable of getting over the hump like Frerotte and other QB's.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;539542]To Gtripp,


The whole comparison with JC and Frerotte is that they will/were given time to mature and show some progression into a potential franchise QB. Frerotte didn't get over the hump per say, so he was released. I just don't see JC getting over the hump in proving he is a bona fide franchise QB this season with the "crap" he has to work with. Frerotte didn't have much to work with either. That to me is the similarity also. My whole thing is why should everyone think JC should be resigned, when if '09 sucks again he hasn't proven himself capable of getting over the hump like Frerotte and other QB's.[/quote]Because the "hump" is eminently arbitrary. I guess it means playoffs, but who wants to oversimplify an evaluation that much when the subject is the starting quarterback?

Comparing total passing yds from Frerotte in 1997 to Campbell 2009 just isn't very helpful. Sure, they're going to be very close in passing yards because Campbell's about reached the point where he's got as many passes on the Skins as Frerotte, but that doesn't tell me anything. Gus may have been the last QB the Redskins drafted who actually got this much time to develop, but the NFL wasn't a remotely similar league then, so that's why it makes little sense. Campbell's success or failure here has zero relevance to how Gus' career here ended.

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[QUOTE]Brennan is 2-3 years away....then he turns into Favre! [/QUOTE]

Although I'm very for JC and expect him to truly kick ass this year, I could see this happeing! Not in 09 but maybe 2010 due to the fact JC isn't under contract then and might be allowed to hit the FA market if he doesn't perform! I also think Colt would excel in Zorn's WCO with two years under his belt in the system! Would he be a perfect QB his first year starting...NO...but I don't see him being bad either! He has that Favre moxy to him!

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I like Colt. He's got swagger. But the only way he plays is if J.C. proves he's NOT the guy.

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This is f'ing awesome, especially since Star Trek happens to be on TV right now. LOL.

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I like the fact that he is wearing maroon and black...wait...

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[quote=Angry;539599]I like the fact that he is wearing maroon and black...wait...[/quote]

:laughing- Z-Man! Is that you?

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Zorn is grooming both JC and Brennan as an insurance policy for the QB position. JC has had so many different systems to learn that he is being purged and taught Zorn's system to develop. Zorn won't wait too long before bringing in competition for JC should he fail to develop this year. Brennan, on the other hand, has been under just Zorn. He has the advantage of learning the system without any prior system's habits to break. He can be developed from the git go. Todd Collins is just a stop gap so that Zorn has time to ween Brennan. The upcoming year will be a defining year for one of those QB as the heralded starter and future of the Redskins organization. Let's see who wants it more.

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I think if it was left up to Zorn alone to decide who should be his starting QB, it might be the QB that he drafted, not the one that he got stuck with and was ordered to "make it happen". Just my opinion.
I'm not a Jason Campbell fan by any means but for the sake of the Redskins as a team, I hope he succeeds. No more excuses for his slow release, inability to read a defense, his inaccuracy in his passing game and poor decisions. No more excuses about the offensive line as other teams and one in particular, that made it to the Super Bowl, had protection problems similar to ours also.
Improvement in of itself will not be enough to justify JC as the "Franchise QB". It's time for the team to rely and depend on his play and ability to lead this team. The pieces are there, it's up to him to be able to know how to manipulate and use them to his advantage.
A leader and a winner makes the players around him better and them wanting to play for him. I haven't seen this from Jason Campbell or the players that surround him, yet. Hopefully this will be the year he makes the Redskins his team.

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[QUOTE]I think if it was left up to Zorn alone to decide who should be his starting QB, it might be the QB that he drafted, not the one that he got stuck with and was ordered to "make it happen". Just my opinion.
I'm not a Jason Campbell fan by any means but for the sake of the Redskins as a team, I hope he succeeds. No more excuses for his slow release, inability to read a defense, his inaccuracy in his passing game and poor decisions. No more excuses about the offensive line as other teams and one in particular, that made it to the Super Bowl, had protection problems similar to ours also.
Improvement in of itself will not be enough to justify JC as the "Franchise QB". It's time for the team to rely and depend on his play and ability to lead this team. The pieces are there, it's up to him to be able to know how to manipulate and use them to his advantage.
A leader and a winner makes the players around him better and them wanting to play for him. I haven't seen this from Jason Campbell or the players that surround him, yet. Hopefully this will be the year he makes the Redskins his team. [/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;539887]
A leader and a winner makes the players around him better and them wanting to play for him. I haven't seen this from Jason Campbell or the players that surround him, yet. Hopefully this will be the year he makes the Redskins his team.[/quote]

Out of curiosity what is your opinion of Eli Manning and Ben Rothlesberger (prior to last year)?

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;539887]
A leader and a winner makes the players around him better and them wanting to play for him. I haven't seen this from Jason Campbell or the players that surround him, yet. Hopefully this will be the year he makes the Redskins his team.[/quote]

Exactly the Eagles philosophy. Now, is McNabb satisfied with making average talent at WR look better? Didn't think so, and who could blame him? Not to mention T.O gave every QB he's played for career years, and that includes McNabb.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;539887]I think if it was left up to Zorn alone to decide who should be his starting QB, it might be the QB that he drafted, not the one that he got stuck with and was ordered to "make it happen". Just my opinion.
I'm not a Jason Campbell fan by any means but for the sake of the Redskins as a team, I hope he succeeds. No more excuses for his slow release, inability to read a defense, his inaccuracy in his passing game and poor decisions. No more excuses about the offensive line as other teams and one in particular, that made it to the Super Bowl, had protection problems similar to ours also.
Improvement in of itself will not be enough to justify JC as the "Franchise QB". It's time for the team to rely and depend on his play and ability to lead this team. The pieces are there, it's up to him to be able to know how to manipulate and use them to his advantage.
A leader and a winner makes the players around him better and them wanting to play for him. I haven't seen this from Jason Campbell or the players that surround him, yet. Hopefully this will be the year he makes the Redskins his team.[/quote]

See here's what I don't really get. Not everyone has to like all the players on your team, but virtually all observers, analysts and opposing coaches acknowledged last year that Campbell made great strides last year in speeding up his release, ball protection, accuracy and making decisions. He's far from a finished product and his 2nd half wasn't as good as his 1st half, but neither was anyone else's on our offense. Can you honestly say you saw no improvement in his game in '08.

Why can't even the detractors recognize progress and while hoping for continued improvement not rehash old inaccurate criticisms? For example, 'inability to read a defense' usually correlates to a lot of interceptions, which we obviously know that JC didn't commit this year. It's just frustrating to hear 'fans' echo the clueless comments from national reporters who don't watch the team.

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I am sure most of this is re-hash:
Last off season, JZ took over and had to learn a whole new skill set, he had JC as his starter. The first day of training camp(something JZ had never had to run before) a defensive starter and his backup went down with injury. JZ had a whole team to worry about, and he had a stable qb situation. Now the 1st game of the season, JC absolutely locks on to Moss, and basically the game is a non-starter. JZ and JC identified that issue, worked on it, and by mid-season most everyone agreed that this was a non issue.
Now it is JZ's 2nd season, and he has stated, he is much more comfortable, he knows his people, they know him, I would expect that his QB plans would be laid out to continue building on the foundations laid last year.

All of this is to say that i agree with Paintrain's last statement:
[QUOTE=Paintrain]Why can't even the detractors [B]recognize progress and while hoping for continued improvement[/B] not rehash old inaccurate criticisms?[/QUOTE]

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