Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Rooney family or Pat Bowlen.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Liu Yongxing. He is rich Chineese farmer who knows zero about football so he would definately be "hands off". The other thing that I like about him is that he got rich feeding "hogs", so the O line would be well taken care of.

Why not China is buying up everything else in America?

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

This guy:

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Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Jeff lurie of the eagles ...goes to get the good free agents who he needs and builds the team through the draft

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=Nflnick11;543056]Jeff lurie of the eagles ...goes to get the good free agents who he needs and builds the team through the draft[/quote]

1.) Uh, he traded for T.O.

2.) How many superbowl wins do the eagles have?

3.) Jeff Lurie is more concerned about making money then building a winning team. How do you explain that the team has no true number one receiver yet has 48 million dollars in cap space?

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[quote=WaldSkins;543071]Jeff Lurie is more concerned about making money then building a winning team. How do you explain that the team has no true number one receiver yet has 48 million dollars in cap space?[/quote]True number one receivers are in highly limited supply and you can't just buy 'em. The best way to find them is in the draft, but the more costly way is to just trade a ton of picks for them, which they never do.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Joe Gibbs hands down.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;543076]True number one receivers are in highly limited supply and you can't just buy 'em. The best way to find them is in the draft, but the more costly way is to just trade a ton of picks for them, which they never do.[/quote]

I think that TJ Housh would have been a good pick up for the eagles.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Waldskins, first off him trading for TO was a good trade at first, because he did get them to the superbowl, if you didn't know what TO would have been like today, 5 years ago, you would have traded for him too, secondly they don't need to trade for a number one because they have a bunch of picks and money to get one through the draft or FA.. Other owners I would say would be dan Rooney and (I hate to say this because I hate them, but) Robert craft they both bring in the really good needable FA (Ryan Clarke, adalius Thomas) and build through the draft

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[quote=WaldSkins;543081]I think that TJ Housh would have been a good pick up for the eagles.[/quote]And they bid on him. But are you suggesting they would have been better off vastly overpaying for him, and then watching as he has an albatross contract deep into his thirties while he blocks younger, more promising types? Housh isn't good enough to justify that.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;542987]Because you know what else is a stat? 102 million dollars.[/quote]

I'd be willing to pay any qb $51 million per superbowl win. I think that's a fair rate...

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;543166]I'd be willing to pay any qb $51 million per superbowl win. I think that's a fair rate...[/quote]But what if someone was willing to do it for $10 million per victory, AND make it easier by playing better? Wouldn't you take that instead?

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[quote=WaldSkins;542974]I was just trying to show Irish that the steelers do indeed over pay for players and he's not even one of there best players.[/quote]

The Steelers paid 1 guy at the most important position on the field a big contract for winning 2 super bowls. I think paying a 2x Super Bowl winner and now future hall of famer $100 million in the prime of his career is worth it. Its the toughest position on the field and the hardest position to find a franchise player. All things considered I think the Steelers paid what the needed to pay to keep their QB.

One thing I am sure the Steelers would never do is spend $100 million on a D lineman.

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[quote=GTripp0012;543169]But what if someone was willing to do it for $10 million per victory, AND make it easier by playing better? Wouldn't you take that instead?[/quote]

Yes, of course. But let's see, last 4 super bowl winning QB's are... Roethlisberger, E. Manning, P. Manning and Brady. Brady has 3 rings, Ben has 2, both mannings have 1. If you go by SB wins, only Tom Brady comes cheaper (by a large margin...$20 mil per ring). kind of a goofy way to look at it but still...

Anyway, I think you also have to account for some other factors here. I believe the Steelers employ much more of a vertical attack than most of the dink/dunk high completion percentage stuff that's out there, which is going to lead to a lower qb rating. Add that to the fact that he has had a subpar pass blocking o line the last 2 years and that he is constantly extending plays because of his size. I think stats definitely don't tell the whole story on his value...

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[quote=WaldSkins;542878]On March 4, 2008, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Roethlisberger agreed to an eight-year, $102 million contract.

Check out Ben's stats compared to JC's . [url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&conference=null&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Player Category[/url]

Big Bens QB rating was 80.1 compared to JC's 84.3

[B]I'd say that 102 million is kinda overpaying, wouldn't you?[/B][/quote]

All joking aside, did you umm watch the past super bowl. The answer is there.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

I already answered Gibbs to this question...but let me say this. Some day in the future...could be 1 year could be 20 years...Dan Snyder is going to wake up and he's going to get rid of his side kick Vinny, take a step back and start doing things the right way. With his passion for the Redskins and willingness to spend anything to win he will someday become the best owner in sports. I just hope I am still alive when it happens...

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=celts32;543204]I already answered Gibbs to this question...but let me say this. Some day in the future...could be 1 year could be 20 years...Dan Snyder is going to wake up and he's going to get rid of his side kick Vinny, take a step back and start doing things the right way. With his passion for the Redskins and willingness to spend anything to win he will someday become the best owner in sports. I just hope I am still alive when it happens...[/quote]

I think that Joe would be a better owner than coach, at least for his second time coaching. He does know how to put together winning teams in the NFL and NASCAR. Three SBs and three Cups don't lie. Being an owner of three cup teams is alot more behind the scenes than a coach.

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I think Smootsmack and I discussed this and volunteered last year for co-ownership, we were just having a hard time coming up with the $ 1.5B to make the deal, or was it for the Presidency, I can't remember.

How about we give the the Danny & Vinny a couple more years and if they revert back to their pre-Gibbs ways then throw them overboard (good luck with that). Pretty hard to make evaluations after one season of VC basicaly being the GM. The guy was a part of building the personnel for a SF championship and a Notre Dame championship.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;543284]I think Smootsmack and I discussed this and volunteered last year for co-ownership, we were just having a hard time coming up with the $ 1.5B to make the deal, or was it for the Presidency, I can't remember.

[B]How about we give the the Danny & Vinny a couple more years and if they revert back to their pre-Gibbs ways then throw them overboard[/B] (good luck with that). Pretty hard to make evaluations after one season of VC basicaly being the GM. The guy was a part of building the personnel for a SF championship and a Notre Dame championship.[/quote]

Offered two 1st round picks for Chad OchoCinco last offseason, tried to ditch Campbell and multiple 1st round picks for Cutler, and grossly overpaid for DeAngelo Hall. Not to mention the eventual outcome of the Jason Taylor move, even though at the time it seemed like a good idea. They got their man with Haynesworth, and I don't think it was a bad move.

My point is, with names like Haynesworth, Hall, J.Taylor, OchoCinco, Jay Cutler, etc, Danny and Vinny have gone right back to falling in love with and often overvaluing big names (Haynesworth was not overvalued IMO). Not to mention the money. Very Pre-Gibbs behavior if you ask me.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;543284]I think Smootsmack and I discussed this and volunteered last year for co-ownership, we were just having a hard time coming up with the $ 1.5B to make the deal, or was it for the Presidency, I can't remember.

How about we give the the Danny & Vinny a couple more years and if they revert back to their pre-Gibbs ways then throw them overboard (good luck with that). Pretty hard to make evaluations after one season of VC basicaly being the GM. The guy was a part of building the personnel for a SF championship and a Notre Dame championship.[/quote]

It was the Presidency

On a separate note, does anyone else remember when Gibbs was part of a possible ownership team for the Redskins back in '99? I think it was Sam Grossman's team. I always found it curious that John Kent Cooke made no attempt to have Gibbs on his team

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=GMScud;543285]Offered two 1st round picks for Chad OchoCinco last offseason, tried to ditch Campbell and multiple 1st round picks for Cutler, and grossly overpaid for DeAngelo Hall.[/quote]

Mistake, not true, depends on who you ask (you're asking GTripp aren't you)

[quote]Not to mention the eventual outcome of the Jason Taylor move, even though at the time it seemed like a good idea. They got their man with Haynesworth, and I don't think it was a bad move.[/quote]

How about the deal they got back Dockery back with, or the players they ended up not throwing big money at-Hackett, Bryant Johnson, Elton Brown, that Willis guy?

[quote]My point is, with names like Haynesworth, Hall, J.Taylor, OchoCinco, Jay Cutler, etc, Danny and Vinny have gone right back to falling in love with and often overvaluing big names (Haynesworth was not overvalued IMO). Not to mention the money. Very Pre-Gibbs behavior if you ask me.[/quote]

I think they have a pretty decent balance going on. But I mean we have the means to at least be part of the discussion when it comes to some of these major players. So I think we always will be.

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[quote=irish;543179]The Steelers paid 1 guy at the most important position on the field a big contract for winning 2 super bowls. I think paying a 2x Super Bowl winner and now future hall of famer $100 million in the prime of his career is worth it. Its the toughest position on the field and the hardest position to find a franchise player. All things considered I think the Steelers paid what the needed to pay to keep their QB.

One thing I am sure the Steelers would never do is spend $100 million on a D lineman.[/quote]Don't put him in the HOF just yet. Jim Plunkett was a pretty mediocre QB who won two SBs, and he's probably never getting in.

If Ben retires with like 6-7 pro bowls and 2+ SBs, then he's a lock. If the Steelers suffer a many-year losing streak and end up cutting Ben lose before the deal is done, then it will hard for him to pick up HOF votes.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=GMScud;543285]Offered two 1st round picks for Chad OchoCinco last offseason, tried to ditch Campbell and multiple 1st round picks for Cutler, and grossly overpaid for DeAngelo Hall. Not to mention the eventual outcome of the Jason Taylor move, even though at the time it seemed like a good idea. They got their man with Haynesworth, and I don't think it was a bad move.

My point is, with names like Haynesworth, Hall, J.Taylor, OchoCinco, Jay Cutler, etc, Danny and Vinny have gone right back to falling in love with and often overvaluing big names (Haynesworth was not overvalued IMO). Not to mention the money. Very Pre-Gibbs behavior if you ask me.[/quote]I tend to think that on OchoCinco and Cutler, Vinny was just doing the dirty work for "opportunities of a lifetime" for Snyder. Hall, he seemingly will defend the deal until the day he dies, so he's to blame if that one doesn't work out.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;543288]Mistake, not true, depends on who you ask (you're asking GTripp aren't you)

How about the deal they got back Dockery back with, or the players they ended up not throwing big money at-Hackett, Bryant Johnson, Elton Brown, that Willis guy?

I think they have a pretty decent balance going on. But I mean we have the means to at least be part of the discussion when it comes to some of these major players. So I think we always will be. [/quote]

What part of what you quoted is a mistake? We offered multiple 1st round picks for Cutler and Ocho. Prior to free agency opening, Hall reportedly wanted $16M in guarantees, and we were reportedly offering $12-$14. And then we end up giving him $22.5?? I'm still scratching my head on that one. What happened in a matter of a week or two that made us up our offer by $8-$10M guaranteed? It certainly would be convenient to ask Tripp, b/c he and I definitely agree on the way we overvalue guys.


Hey I never said Danny/Vinny don't make sound moves (or non-moves) at times. I was just pointing out that they have shown, in SammyBaugh's words, some "Pre-Gibbs" behavior since he left. For the record I think Willis would have been a solid, cost effective move for a young, starting caliber RT.


I can agree with your last statement for the most part. However I still maintain that we overvalue guys, and Danny needs to curb his love affair with big-names to some extent. Nothing wrong with being a major player, just be a little smarter about it as far as money/draft picks.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Mr. Joe Jackson Gibbs PERIOD

He does things the right way with class and dignity! And by the way about everything he touches turns to gold or at a minimum a winning first class organization!

Thanks for those THREE beautiful trophies JOE!

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=GMScud;543307]What part of what you quoted is a mistake? We offered multiple 1st round picks for Cutler and Ocho. Prior to free agency opening, Hall reportedly wanted $16M in guarantees, and we were reportedly offering $12-$14. And then we end up giving him $22.5?? I'm still scratching my head on that one. What happened in a matter of a week or two that made us up our offer by $8-$10M guaranteed? It certainly would be convenient to ask Tripp, b/c he and I definitely agree on the way we overvalue guys.[/quote]

I was saying it was a mistake to offer two first rounders for Chad, and that we never offered multiple 1st round picks for Cutler (unless you're counting Campbell as a first round pick)

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;543286]It was the Presidency

On a separate note, does anyone else remember when Gibbs was part of a possible ownership team for the Redskins back in '99? I think it was Sam Grossman's team.[B] I always found it curious that John Kent Cooke made no attempt to have Gibbs on his team[/B][/quote]

That IS curious. I wonder why and if it would have made any difference? Was Sam Grossman's team even close? I think if Danny brought Gibbs in as a managing partner, that would be pretty cool.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;543314]I was saying it was a mistake to offer two first rounders for Chad, and that we never offered multiple 1st round picks for Cutler (unless you're counting Campbell as a first round pick)[/quote]

Oh I see. I thought we offered our '09 and '10 1st round picks for Cutler, but Denver liked the Bears' offer better b/c it included a 3rd and a QB McDaniels approved of. Is this not the case? I'm almost certain I heard we were on board with 2 1st rounders...

I mean, Denver came out and said any team that wants Cutler needs to be prepared to part with at least 2 1st rounders, and we continued to stay in hot pursuit right up till the end.

I suppose there was a 3 way scenario in the works where Denver wouldn't have gotten both our 1st rounders, but I'd imagine what we would have given up (a 1st, Campbell, and other picks) would add up to the value of an additional 1st.

Anyway....

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;543300]Don't put him in the HOF just yet. Jim Plunkett was a pretty mediocre QB who won two SBs, and he's probably never getting in.

If Ben retires with like 6-7 pro bowls and 2+ SBs, then he's a lock. If the Steelers suffer a many-year losing streak and end up cutting Ben lose before the deal is done, then it will hard for him to pick up HOF votes.[/quote]

Another thing I am pretty certain of is that the Steelers wont have a many year losing streak. Its the Steelers, not the Skins. The Steelers are built for success now and 2 seasons from now. In fact I dont see how the Steelers arent favorites to repeat.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;543286]It was the Presidency

On a separate note, does anyone else remember when Gibbs was part of a possible ownership team for the Redskins back in '99? I think it was Sam Grossman's team. I always found it curious that John Kent Cooke made no attempt to have Gibbs on his team[/quote]
Yeah I remember him being part of a group, snyder kinda came out of nowhere after it looked like that one other team was going to get it.. but the nfl rejected

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Yeah Snyder was a supporting player on the Howard Millstein team I believe

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

^^^^I was not

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=irish;543395]Another thing I am pretty certain of is that the Steelers wont have a many year losing streak. Its the Steelers, not the Skins. The Steelers are built for success now and 2 seasons from now. In fact I dont see how the Steelers arent favorites to repeat.[/quote]I don't know, the Patriots? The Colts? The Ravens? Maybe the Cards or Eagles as well.

They'll be around next year because they are well-built as you said, but I'd hold off on the Steeler playoff tickets just yet.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=Daniel Snyder;543758]^^^^I was not[/quote]

...but you were. Next time you pretend to be someone, know something about them

(maybe Gandalf can help you next time)

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

^^^Gandalf is a fool afaik

Gollum is my buddy he gots the precioussssssssssesesseeessss

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;543788]^^^Gandalf is a fool afaik

Gollum is my buddy he gots the precioussssssssssesesseeessss[/quote]

I think this is a sign that this thread must die. LOL.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Hmm, one name just leaps out at me. Vince McMahon! No I honestly think Ted Leonsis would be an awsome owner. He is a honest to goodness owner who is not so vain to believe that knows it all, but will listen to his football guys and not his yes Vinnies, I mean yes men.

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

Condi Rice.

Why? Because we'd win and she'd piss off Washingtonians. :D

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=Big Oh;544018]Hmm, one name just leaps out at me. Vince McMahon! No I honestly think Ted Leonsis would be an awsome owner. He is a honest to goodness owner who is not so vain to believe that knows it all, but will listen to his football guys and not his yes Vinnies, I mean yes men.[/quote]

I agree 100% with ted leonsis as our dream owner...he doesn't axe a coach after his first year, he gives you a long good timeline as to how long you have to perform, he believes in building a team through the draft and occasional free agency, and hebuilds a team around a great star player

Re: If you could name a new owner for the Redskins who would it be and why?
 

[quote=Buster;544139]Condi Rice.

Why? Because we'd win and she'd [b]piss off Washingtonians.[/b] :D[/quote]

Then wouldn't GW Bush be better??? ;)