Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Buster;705138]And there it is! :doh:


It was bound to show up in this thread.[/quote]


You realize that comment is over a year old correct?

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=mredskins;705139]You realize that comment is over a year old correct?[/quote]


Haha...I do now. I even commented 14 months ago.

Someone bumped the thread. Figured Ramsey was on the move again. Patrick getting a new team is like the birds flying south...you know it will happen this year. :D

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

i liked how ramsey and jon jansen were good buddies. whenever jansen would run over to lend ramsey a hand getting up after he got competely killed on the blindside, i always thought it was cute. haha i said cute.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

You worry me.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

Between David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Patrick Ramsey, the 1st round QB draftees from that class may have been the most forgetable group ever.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

I had forgotten we wasted a 1st rounder on Ramsey. Wow.
From the football powerhouse Tulane.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=over the mountain;705153]i liked how ramsey and jon jansen were good buddies. whenever jansen would run over to lend ramsey a hand getting up after he got competely killed on the blindside, i always thought it was cute. haha i said cute.[/quote]

lame

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

lame = yes

ramsey had one good play obv 2005 to moss holla

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;706220]lame = yes

ramsey had one good play obv 2005 to moss holla[/quote]

what play was that?

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706218]Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.[/quote]

I'm not sure he even threw an int on the play{cant remember} I just remember him getting coldcocked and then Brunell took over

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=SmootSmack;706221]what play was that?[/quote]

I think it might have been a game against philly,Brunell got knocked out of game and Ramsey played the 2nd half.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706218]Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.[/quote]

His resume speaks for itself now. He's been a journeyman NFL backup, about to move on to his 6th team in 10 seasons.

Honestly, all the excuses for why he didn't become a quality starting QB are really stale. It's time for the Ramsey fans to just admit it, he's just not that good. Never was, probably never will be.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=htownskinfan;706224]I think it might have been a game against philly,Brunell got knocked out of game and Ramsey played the 2nd half.[/quote]

It was againts the Giants 12/24/05

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Mattyk;706229]It was againts the Giants 12/24/05[/quote]

For some reason thats one of my favorite games ever. Granted we still had to beat a bad Philadelphia team the next week (which we of course struggled with), the Giants ( who I think were 9-4 at the time) game on Christmas Eve was really what stood between us and the playoffs. We ended up winning by 15, but it was a great game. Moss & Portis absolutley tore it up then.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Mattyk;706228]His resume speaks for itself now.[/quote]

Yep, and his resume says he was never given the opportunity to play with a true NFL offense. He was playing with college has beens, throwing to Chris Doering, Jacques Green, and stone hands Rob Gardener.





[quote]He's been a journeyman NFL backup, about to move on to his 6th team in 10 seasons.[/quote]

Like I said, he was never given a chance to compete for a starting job. When he left to the NYJ, they were dedicated to Chad Pennington. Once he was signed by the Broncos, they were already dedicated to Jay Cutler. Now they're sending him to Detroit where they're already dedicated to Matt Stafford. They guy was never given any true chance to compete for a job. Thanks to Joe Gibbs.




[quote]Honestly, all the excuses for why he didn't become a quality starting QB are really stale. [/quote]

Yep, they're called stale [b]facts[/b].
[quote]It's time for the Ramsey fans to just admit it, he's just not that good. Never was, probably never will be.[/quote]

Actually it's time for the Jason Campbell fans to please keep quiet when it comes to evaluating NFL QB's. Because your last prospect failed to even break .500 in 3 years as a starter.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706250]Yep, and his resume says he was never given the opportunity to play with a true NFL offense. He was playing with college has beens, throwing to Chris Doering, Jacques Green, and stone hands Rob Gardener.







Like I said, he was never given a chance to compete for a starting job. When he left to the NYJ, they were dedicated to Chad Pennington. Once he was signed by the Broncos, they were already dedicated to Jay Cutler. Now they're sending him to Detroit where they're already dedicated to Matt Stafford. They guy was never given any true chance to compete for a job. Thanks to Joe Gibbs.






Yep, they're called stale [B]facts[/B].


Actually it's time for the Jason Campbell fans to please keep quiet when it comes to evaluating NFL QB's. Because your last prospect failed to even break .500 in 3 years as a starter.[/quote]

:doh:

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

Right, he's just been F'd over by every team he's been with. Poor guy.

The Joe Gibbs excuse ran out as soon as he left here. Kinda lame to keep blaming Gibbs for his mediocre career that wasn't even going anywhere before JG came back.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Mattyk;706252]Right, he's just been F'd over by every team he's been with. Poor guy.

The Joe Gibbs excuse ran out as soon as he left here. Kinda lame to keep blaming Gibbs for his mediocre career that wasn't even going anywhere before JG came back.[/quote]

When he was traded to the Jets they have already invested a ton a money into Chad Pennington. After that he signed with teams that had recently invested in 1st round QB's. Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Matt Stafford. Before Joe Gibbs got there he was playing for an inexperienced coach, so inexperienced he got rid of Stephen Davis in the prime of his career. Only to replace him with Trung Candidate.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706250]Yep, and his resume says he was never given the opportunity to play with a true NFL offense. He was playing with college has beens, throwing to Chris Doering, Jacques Green, and stone hands Rob Gardener.







Like I said, he was never given a chance to compete for a starting job. When he left to the NYJ, they were dedicated to Chad Pennington. Once he was signed by the Broncos, they were already dedicated to Jay Cutler. Now they're sending him to Detroit where they're already dedicated to Matt Stafford. They guy was never given any true chance to compete for a job. Thanks to Joe Gibbs.






Yep, they're called stale [B]facts[/B].


Actually it's time for the Jason Campbell fans to please keep quiet when it comes to evaluating NFL QB's. Because your last prospect failed to even break .500 in 3 years as a starter.[/quote]

Everything you said is dead on. If it wasnt people would have stopped talking about #11 a long time ago. Plus if it wasnt for his greatness potential i think he would be out of the league already, him being a journeyman this long without any substianal real starting experience says something of itself.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706256]When he was traded to the Jets they have already invested a ton a money into Chad Pennington. After that he signed with teams that had recently invested in 1st round QB's. Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Matt Stafford. Before Joe Gibbs got there he was playing for an inexperienced coach, so inexperienced he got rid of Stephen Davis in the prime of his career. Only to replace him with Trung Candidate.[/quote]

Wow...are you his mother?

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=mlmpetert;706265]Everything you said is dead on. If it wasnt people would have stopped talking about #11 a long time ago. Plus if it wasnt for his greatness potential i think he would be out of the league already, [B]him being a journeyman this long without any substianal real starting experience says something of itself[/B].[/quote]

Yeah, it says he's a backup.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

^^ and barely that. If this was not a QB starved league, he would be out of football.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706218]Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.[/quote]

The only problem with this kind of argument is that there are only 32 starting QB jobs in the league. I loved the guy, but if Ramsey could not get past the guy in front of him on any of the 5 teams he has been on, then maybe he was never one of the 32 best QBs in the league, or at least better than the guy in front of him. There are lots of so called great QBs who are not starters for whatever reason, but the bottom line is they are not starters because they aren't better than the guy in front of them, in practice, preseason, mini camps or whatever.

If Ramsey can't get by Brunell, or Cutler or Vince Young or whomever, he is not better than that guy. Its as simple as that.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706218]Patrick Ramsey was never given a chance to succeed. I don't care who the QB was, no one was going to succeed under Spurrier's system. In comes Gibbs, and benches the guy after the 3rd offensive series because he threw an interception. So I don't understand how everyone is saying "he didn't have it". He was never even given a fair chance, plus he never had any receivers to throw to. Even when he went to other teams, he was never able to compete for the starting job. I actually feel really sorry for the guy, I thought he had the talent to be a real productive QB in this league.[/quote]

he went to the jets and couldn't beat out noodle armed pennington. end of discussion.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

Wow...just wow.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

Ramsey was once a top 32 QB in this league...but then college ball started to produce about three players or so better than him each year, and at some point, you're just lucky to hang on.

Hard to predict the future trends of college QBs to the NFL, but the same thing could eventually happen to Jason Campbell. But it's pretty much why it's only made sense to draft a QB in the first round if you're getting a superstar. Because when you end up with Joe Flacco or Jason Campbell or Daunte Culpepper or Ben Roethlisberger, you're really just staving off time with the status quo at QB. There always seems to be someone better out there.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=GTripp0012;706337]Ramsey was once a top 32 QB in this league...but then college ball started to produce about three players or so better than him each year, and at some point, you're just lucky to hang on.

Hard to predict the future trends of college QBs to the NFL, but the same thing could eventually happen to Jason Campbell.[/quote]

I think the word top is a bit misleading here. Ramsey was once a starter, among 32 starting QBs, but he was never, ever the top anything in my book.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Buster;706267]Wow...are you his mother?[/quote]

Is that the best you can come up with cocksucker? I guess so.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706342]Is that the best you can come up with cocksucker? I guess so.[/quote]

You really love PR, huh?

Seriously, besides not getting a fair shot, as you put, how do you account for him not beating out the starting guy(s) on five different ball clubs?

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=skinsfan69;706327]he went to the jets and couldn't beat out noodle armed pennington. end of discussion.[/quote]

Dude, the Jets signed Pennington to a 7 year 64 million dollar contract(highest paid player in jets history at the time) before Ramsey even got there. You think they were just going to give up on Chad like that, after signing him to that insane amount of money? Please... End of discussion.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=Kalisto2010;706344]Dude, the Jets signed Pennington to a 7 year 64 million dollar contract(highest paid player in jets history at the time) before Ramsey even got there. You think they were just going to give up on Chad like that, after signing him to that insane amount of money? Please... End of discussion.[/quote]

So by your logic Todd Collins wasn't given a fair shot either? He played behind Trent Green and then Jason Campbell?

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=12thMan;706343]You really love PR, huh?[/quote]

I speaking facts not love, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know the difference.


[quote]Seriously, besides not getting a fair shot, as you put, how do you account for him not beating out the starting guy(s) on five different ball clubs?[/quote]

Because every team he went to never had the intention of giving him a chance to compete since, wait, here it comes, you ready?....Drumroll....................[b]They already invested money and first round QB's prior to him getting there.[/b] You do understand that or no? Once again It wouldn't surprise me if you didn't.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=scowan;706301]The only problem with this kind of argument is that there are only 32 starting QB jobs in the league. I loved the guy, but if Ramsey could not get past the guy in front of him on any of the 5 teams he has been on, then maybe he was never one of the 32 best QBs in the league, or at least better than the guy in front of him. There are lots of so called great QBs who are not starters for whatever reason, but the bottom line is they are not starters because they aren't better than the guy in front of them, in practice, preseason, mini camps or whatever.

If Ramsey can't get by Brunell, or Cutler or Vince Young or whomever, he is not better than that guy. Its as simple as that.[/quote]

The best guy doesn't always get to play. Example, Warren Moon. You mean to tell me that their were 28 better QB's than him while he was in Canada?

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

[quote=12thMan;706346]So by your logic Todd Collins wasn't given a fair shot either? He played behind Trent Green and then Jason Campbell?[/quote]

No he wasn't, his record as a starter speaks for itself. He's the one that lead us to 6 straight victories including a playoff win. Something your boy Campbell failed to do, year after year, after year.

Re: Ramsey on the move again
 

Locking this thread before it gets more stupid than it already is