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Unfortunately, there's not a true DE on the list to pick from. Next to Haynesworth, a DE would have a hell of a lot more of an impact to the team than an OT or LB would.

Drafting a pure LB with our 1st pick should be out of the question as this draft is extremely deep in LBs. Theres not enough of a difference in an LB here and one we could find in the 3rd round to make the move worthwhile. Assuming we go for 2 of the 3 needs (OT/LB/DE) with our 1st and 3rd round picks, we will find a hell of alot better LB in the 3rd round than we could an OT or DE, so it makes more sense to go with one of those two positions with our first pick.

Also, of these three needs, LB is the position we are deepest at presently, and its the position we can get even deeper at simply by resigning marcus washington. If you agree that DE is our greatest need, then drafting Orakpo or Maybin would be comparitively foolish, since he'll be playing LB on 1st and 2nd downs and DE on 3rd. Which is why i'd go with Everett Brown or Robert Ayers if theyre on the board at 13. Think about it - which front 7 would you prefer:

1. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Ayers
McIntosh/Thomas, Fletcher and Washington/Blades

OR

2. Carter, Griffin, Haynesworth, Wynn/Daniels
McIntosh, Fletcher, Orakpo or Maualuga

To me, the first option presents a far more dominant defense, but thats just my opinion.

If we're picking at 13, Andre Smith is the most likely OT to be there, and he's got two knocks against him: 1. Questionable character, drive, work ethic, etc. 2. He can't play LT (where as Oher has the potential to play LT and allow Samuels to move right and prolong his career). In the end, if available, I feel either Ayers or Brown would be the safest, most prudent investment to make at 13.

If it were up to me, and we had to pick a player at 13 (no trading up or down), this is how i would fill our teams 3 primary "conventional wisdom" needs:

DE - (First Round Pick) Robert Ayers, Tennessee
OT - (Third Round Pick) T.J. Lang, Eastern Michigan
LB - Resign Marcus Washington and sign the best OLB available in the 5th round.

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Sanchez, were getting next year Number 1 overall if he'd stayed another year at USC. That way if Campbell fails, Colt and Sanchez fight it out.

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ANYONE!! Please keep this pick and don't try to trade up for Sanchez. Keep our picks!!

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[quote=NM Redskin;548108]Sanchez, were getting next year Number 1 overall if he'd stayed another year at USC. That way if Campbell fails, Colt and Sanchez fight it out.[/quote]

If you draft a quarterback, instead of an offensive tackle in the 1st round. You pretty much seal Jason's fate anyway.

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Please get oher or orakpo if neither then trade down or get rey maualuga

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[quote=rbanerjee23;548104]You guys think there is any chance Curry would fall to 13? probably not right...sigh
I think a top 4 OLineman or DLineman would be fine in this position...or Rey[/quote]

Quick, someone publicize a terrible rumor about Curry...he eats babies or something like that...then maybe he'll fall to us.:)

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1. If possible trade up to get Orakpo.

2. Take the best available OT. Oher, Smith or if they're both available take Smith, because his play ismuch more consistent compared to Oher's. If you watch Smith's film he is arguably the best OT in this year's class.

3. Trade down. Assuming Sanchez is there this would be the smart move, (but the Redskins would most likely pick him). Trade with the Jets, pick at 17 drating Oher, Maybin, Brown, and pick up there 2nd looking at a C/G.

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Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.

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[quote=Defensewins;548116]Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.[/quote]
WAY too high for him. He's looked at as a mid 2nd rounder, max. He's not a first rounder and being the #1 prospect in a weak class for OG doesn't make you worth a high draft pick.

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I want the fat kid from Alabama. Is that Smith? I know he's got some issues but he could probably step in and start at RT and we've got some vets to take him under their wing. I'm not sure why everyone is so high on Orakpo. I didn't see a ton of Texas games but the ones I did he didn't impress me at all.

AND ANYONE BUT SANCHEZ. He's not even better than party boy Leinart and he couldn't beat out John David Booty who can't beat out Tavarus Jackson.

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[quote=Defensewins;548116]Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.[/quote]

I love Duke Robinson, I think I was one of the first to mention him here. But I don't think he should be taken at 13

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It's seems Oher and Smith may be gone by 13 and I like Ayers better than Orakpo. Sticking with the choices, Oher.

Re: Please Draft ??? at #13
 

[quote=Defensewins;548116]Why is there no talk about Duke Robinson OG 6' 5" 329.
Is it because he played at the less glamorous OG position in college as opposed to the OT position? This guy can play Right OT in the NFL.
Why take the fourth best OT (Oher) who is 6'5" and 309 pounds and pass on the best OG who is bigger and played some OT in college. He started 10 games a true freshman and played well at LT.
Everywhere I look to read about Robinson they talk about this can't miss "Road Grader", big , great athlete.[/quote]

Duke is a monster. He's pretty similar to Andre Smith body-wise and yet there's no first round shine on him. I think someone will draft him late in the first but we haven't heard much about him.

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Everette Brown scares me in a bad way. He's in the same mold as Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves (both busts for Jacksonville last year) and Jason Taylor for that matter. If we're going to draft a DE, we should go with Jackson (LSU) or Ayers (Tenn) if we can't get Orakpo. They won't get tons of sacks but they will stuff the run and that fits our defense perfectly.

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I've been hearing alot of Orakpo talk. Can someone tell me what position he's going to play at the NFL level? He's 6'3 and 260lbs. I don't think he can play de in a 4-3. Is he going to play SLB and take Washington's spot if we draft him? He seems like a better fit for a 3-4.

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[quote=skinsfan69;548151]I've been hearing alot of Orakpo talk. Can someone tell me what position he's going to play at the NFL level? He's 6'3 and 260lbs. I don't think he can play de in a 4-3. Is he going to play SLB and take Washington's spot if we draft him? He seems like a better fit for a 3-4.[/quote]That's the same build as 6'4" 265 Carter.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;548066] I will saw off my testicles if we draft Sanchez at 13. [/quote]


LOL..:lol:

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[quote=Lotus;548114]Quick, someone publicize a terrible rumor about Curry...he eats babies or something like that...then maybe he'll fall to us.:)[/quote]
I like that. Now he's worth trading up for....

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Anyone but Sanchez we do not need a QB, i repeat we do not need a QB.

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I voted for Smith. Years of game field don't lie and he was the number one tackle prospect until pulling a boner for his combine.

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[quote=skinsfan69;548151]I've been hearing alot of Orakpo talk. Can someone tell me what position he's going to play at the NFL level? He's 6'3 and 260lbs. I don't think he can play de in a 4-3. Is he going to play SLB and take Washington's spot if we draft him? He seems like a better fit for a 3-4.[/quote]

Many folks have said that his frame allows room for more bulking up.

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I'm going to say Michael Oher. I love the idea of Orakpo or Maualuga, but we need a tackle so badly. We've done nothing thus far to our O-line except bring back Dockery, and I'm not alone in the opinion that said O-line was the biggest reason for our a 2-6 finish.

We finished '08 with the 4th overall defense, and that was without Albert Haynesworth. I don't mean to dimish our need for another DE and OLB, but I think tackle is more pressing given the current state of things.

Giving Campbell more time and Portis more holes is so important. I could deal with Samuels, Dock, Rabach, a healthy Randy Thomas, and Oher up front.

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I'd be fine with Oher, Smith, or Maualuga. I would probably be more excited if we took Rey, but we need to start adding some serious talent and youth to our o-line. So that would be my order. I would've been ecstatic to get Curry but I recently read that he eats babies!

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[quote=Stacks42;548061]For those of you thinking about going after Sanchez, Matt Bowen brings up some pretty good points.

[URL="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/sanchez-do-we-believe-the-hype/"]The National Football Post | Sanchez: Do We Believe The Hype?[/URL][/quote]

Unlike celts32, I think this is a solid, valid article. I'd be willing to bet that if Sanchez had thrown a couple of picks in a losing effort against Penn St in the Rose Bowl, he'd be returning to USC in 2010. But he didn't, so he won't, and he'll be a pro in 2010. And IMO he'll probably be a pretty good NFL QB eventually. However it's hard to ignore how one game spring boarded him so high up the NFL draft charts.

So after that one game he became a sure-fire first rounder, and over the past few months he's now become a possibly top 5 pick? What's happened in that time? Zero actual football games, and a few workouts without pads.
Placing value on hype is, IMO, overvaluing. He's good looking, confident, will sell tickets and jerseys, oooh, ahhh. Again, I think he'll be good, but I don't want him at #13, and I REALLY don't think he's worth moving up for.

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Huh, i'm a bit surprised Orakpo leads the poll. I'd have thought Smith would. I mean based on talent and past performance Smith was scouted as a top 5 pick. Orakpo is only considered the 4th or 5th best DE in the draft according to Kiper and some other analysts.

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[quote=GMScud;548181]Unlike celts32, [B]I think this is a solid, valid article[/B]. I'd be willing to bet that if Sanchez had thrown a couple of picks in a losing effort against Penn St in the Rose Bowl, he'd be returning to USC in 2010. But he didn't, so he won't, and he'll be a pro in 2010. And IMO he'll probably be a pretty good NFL QB eventually. However it's hard to ignore how one game spring boarded him so high up the NFL draft charts.

So after that one game he became a sure-fire first rounder, and over the past few months he's now become a possibly top 5 pick? What's happened in that time? Zero actual football games, and a few workouts without pads.
Placing value on hype is, IMO, overvaluing. He's good looking, confident, will sell tickets and jerseys, oooh, ahhh. Again, I think he'll be good, but I don't want him at #13, and I REALLY don't think he's worth moving up for.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. I thought Bowen was spot on with this article.

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[quote=The Goat;548183]Huh, i'm a bit surprised Orakpo leads the poll. I'd have thought Smith would. I mean based on talent and past performance Smith was scouted as a top 5 pick. Orakpo is only considered the 4th or 5th best DE in the draft according to Kiper and some other analysts.[/quote]

Well a lot of people have him at #1 also, but every time I see Orakpo I can't help thinking of Vernon Gholston. My GF is an Ohio State fan and I kept telling her last year that I just didn't see it. It was all about size, speed, etc. but when I watched him play, I wasn't very impressed. I'm concerned about injury issues with Orakpo and honestly he just doesn't blow me away when I watch him play.

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[quote=53Fan;548187]Well a lot of people have him at #1 also, but every time I see Orakpo I can't help thinking of Vernon Gholston. My GF is an Ohio State fan and I kept telling her last year that I just didn't see it. It was all about size, speed, etc. but when I watched him play, I wasn't very impressed. I'm concerned about injury issues with Orakpo and honestly he just doesn't blow me away when I watch him play.[/quote]
I agree 53, I would be more inclined to go with a trade down and try and catch Tyson Jackson DE LSU.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;548190]I agree 53, I would be more inclined to go with a trade down and try and catch Tyson Jackson DE LSU.[/quote]

I'd be surprised if Jackson was there at 13, but yeah if he's there then there probably isn't a better fit for our team than him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548191]I'd be surprised if Jackson was there at 13, but yeah if he's there then there probably isn't a better fit for our team than him.[/quote]

Talk about a player rocketing up the draft board...but in Jackson's case I think it's smart scouting. He's maybe the safest pick in this year's draft along w/ Jason Smith and Aaron Curry. Watching his highlights it's very impressive how quickly Jackson collapses the pocket...personally I prefer him over Orakpo.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548191]I'd be surprised if Jackson was there at 13, but yeah if he's there then there probably isn't a better fit for our team than him.[/quote]

Agreed. I see a run on DE's starting with Green Bay at #9. If that happens, we'll probably get a crack at one of the top 4 tackles, or a DE like Ayers or Maybin. I have a feeling Orakpo, Jackson, and E.Brown will be gone. That being the case, I'll stick with Oher at #13.

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[quote=The Goat;548192]Talk about a player rocketing up the draft board...but in Jackson's case I think it's smart scouting. He's maybe the safest pick in this year's draft along w/ Jason Smith and Aaron Curry. Watching his highlights it's very impressive how quickly Jackson collapses the pocket...personally I prefer him over Orakpo.[/quote]

I know, a couple of months ago I was all about trading down for Duke and Tyson Jackson. Who knew we'd have to potentially trade up for Jackson.

But he's the best pure 4-3 DE, as opposed to the many other hybrids out there. Chiefs seem pretty keen on getting him though. And if they don't take him, Cincy almost surely will.

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[quote=Mattyk72;548054]I like Orakpo because he can play LB and DE and would basically fill two needs with one shot.

My 2nd choice is Smith. I know he's immature but on the field the dude is a beast. He just needs to grow up a bit.[/quote]

I like Oher/Smith, to help the OL, then Orakpo. I figure both Smith and Orakpo and probably Oher (My poll vote) will all be gone at 13.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548195]I know, a couple of months ago I was all about trading down for Duke and Tyson Jackson. Who knew we'd have to potentially trade up for Jackson.

But he's the best pure 4-3 DE, as opposed to the many other hybrids out there. Chiefs seem pretty keen on getting him though. And if they don't take him, Cincy almost surely will.[/quote]What's your best guess on Aaron Curry's fate?

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[quote=SmootSmack;548195]I know, a couple of months ago I was all about trading down for Duke and Tyson Jackson. Who knew we'd have to potentially trade up for Jackson.

But he's the best pure 4-3 DE, as opposed to the many other hybrids out there. Chiefs seem pretty keen on getting him though. And if they don't take him, Cincy almost surely will.[/quote]

The Chiefs are keen on Tyson Jackson at #3?? Seems to me they could move down a few spots and still easily land him. And we all know Pioli is a draft-day mover. I think Spagnuolo is probably lobbying hard for Aaron Curry at #2, in which case I think KC either takes Jason Smith or moves down. I'm sure Pioli would love more picks, but he could do a lot worse than giving his franchise QB a franchise LT. They could be pair for a decade.

You don't think Cincy will go tackle? Andre Smith seems like a trendy pick lately for the Bungles. Based on your info, seems to me we'll likely have one of the big 4 OTs to choose from.

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[quote=GMScud;548201]The Chiefs are keen on Tyson Jackson at #3?? Seems to me they could move down a few spots and still easily land him. And we all know Pioli is a draft-day mover. I think Spagnuolo is probably lobbying hard for Aaron Curry at #2, in which case I think KC either takes Jason Smith or moves down. I'm sure Pioli would love more picks, but he could do a lot worse than giving his franchise QB a franchise LT. They could be pair for a decade.[/quote]

No, not necessarily at 3. They'd like to trade down and get him.

Depending on how things shake out with the top pick, Spags could be looking at either Smith or Curry. Although the Cincinnati Enquirer, who I trust as pretty reliable, speculates Monroe going 2nd. Personally, I think they'll shock everyone and take Sanchez

[quote]You don't think Cincy will go tackle? Based on your info, seems to me we'll likely have one of the big 4 OTs to choose from.[/quote]

Tackle definitely makes the most sense, but there's been some rumblings that they may take Raji or Jackson. I think they have to and will go OT...but I'd keep an eye out for Beanie Wells or Knowshon there.

Re: Please Draft ??? at #13
 

[quote=GMScud;548201]The Chiefs are keen on Tyson Jackson at #3?? Seems to me they could move down a few spots and still easily land him. And we all know Pioli is a draft-day mover. I think Spagnuolo is probably lobbying hard for Aaron Curry at #2, in which case I think KC either takes Jason Smith or moves down. I'm sure Pioli would love more picks, but he could do a lot worse than giving his franchise QB a franchise LT. They could be pair for a decade.

You don't think Cincy will go tackle? Andre Smith seems like a trendy pick lately for the Bungles. Based on your info, seems to me we'll likely have one of the big 4 OTs to choose from.[/quote]Kansas City and Seattle both want to trade down, but neither wants to go to No. 13, as they would lose all the players they are targeting. Cleveland has incentive to go down all the way down to 13 only if Crabtree and Sanchez are gone, because they appear to want Sanchez at least as bad as we do.

Basically, we're not going to be able to trade into the top five, unless someone like Kansas City lets us come up, and then uses our stuff to go back up to 8 or 9. But what could they get from us that's of value to another team? Not our first round pick next year. So that doesn't make any sense.

I'm not seeing anyway we get in position for Sanchez unless Danny pays OVER the suggested value (literally an Eli Manning type package), which would be patently insane. I just don't see that.

Of course, Sanchez could fall. The draft could break down like:

Stafford
J. Smith
Ty. Jackson
Curry
Crabtree
A. Smith
...

And then the next 4 teams would all be fielding offers to get in position for Sanchez, in which case, Danny could make a move for a package like our third and next years second for the right to draft Sanchez. But, again, the Jets have more ammunition than us, so they might outbid us not unlike the Bears.

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My guess is Campbell would be part of any trade discussion

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[quote=SmootSmack;548206]My guess is Campbell would be part of any trade discussion[/quote]

Though I know it won't ever happen, hypothetically, would it help or hurt JC's stock w/ other franchises at this point if he came out tomorrow asking to be traded? I'm just curious.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548202]No, not necessarily at 3. They'd like to trade down and get him.

Depending on how things shake out with the top pick, Spags could be looking at either Smith or Curry. Although the Cincinnati Enquirer, who I trust as pretty reliable, speculates Monroe going 2nd. Personally, I think they'll shock everyone and take Sanchez



Tackle definitely makes the most sense, but there's been some rumblings that they may take Raji or Jackson. I think they have to and will go OT...but I'd keep an eye out for Beanie Wells or Knowshon there.[/quote]

Sanchez number #2, huh? Could happen I guess. Josh Freeman would love that.

I've heard Eugene Monroe has a degenerative knee issue that could catch up with him after 3-5 years. Anyway, I think if Stafford goes 1, J.Smith is the safer of the top 2 tackles.

It wouldn't shock me to see Cincy go RB. Benson got a modest extension, but he's not exactly a safe bet. But it just seems like they always desperately need help on defense.