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[quote=Superman13732;550120][B]I hope this guy can stay healthy. He is a BEAST, 6-6 370. But again, lets hope he can stay healthy. [/B]

And as for the whole draft topic, im as big a supporter as there is that we need to get a DE in the draft to work with Haynesworth, however, Sanchez appears to be the real deal, and even though JC will "demand" a trade, maybe its a good thing, he is in his contract year... maybe we can get a janitor or something for him.[/quote]

Well I'm sure having this guy is better than having some rook picked up in the 5th, 6th, or 7th round.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

Hey, its really not a gamble... there is no harm in brining him in here. If he ends up working out, its a huge steal, if not, it really doesn't make a crap of difference ya know?

I am very dissapointed we did not address the Oline in the draft given some of the guys avalible for us in the 3rd, 5th...

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

This isn't looking like the signing I thought it was.

[quote]Samuels, Kelly To Miss Minicamp

Several players will not be able to take part in the Redskins' three-day minicamp that begins Friday, according to Coach Jim Zorn.

Left tackle Chris Samuels is still recovering from triceps surgery but should be ready for June organized team activities, Zorn said. Wide receiver Malcolm Kelly, recovering from another knee surgery, is able to run some but is not slated to be able to take part in football activities. Kelly should be able to take part in June OTAs, however, Zorn said. Guard Randy Thomas (neck surgery) and safety Reed Doughty (back surgery) have been cleared for work but will be limited during minicamp, Zorn said. Zorn also said that tackle Mike Williams, signed Friday, will miss minicamp as he begins trying to shed weight. Williams is at 410 pounds - at one point he reached 450, Zorn said - and the Redskins hope to have him around 370 by training camp. Williams has not played an NFL game since 2005.

Zorn said that he expects fullback Mike Sellers, who has been skipping all voluntary workouts and is seeking a new contract according to team and league sources, to be at minicamp. He said Sellers texted him recently to say he is in great shape.[/quote]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;551287]This isn't looking like the signing I thought it was.[/quote]

410 pounds? Zoiks! It sounds like we signed two guys, not one!

Even if he "slims" to 370, how is he going to be able to move for pass pro, etc.?

Good luck, Mike Williams.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;551287]This isn't looking like the signing I thought it was.

Quote:
Samuels, Kelly To Miss Minicamp

Several players will not be able to take part in the Redskins' three-day minicamp that begins Friday, according to Coach Jim Zorn.

Left tackle Chris Samuels is still recovering from triceps surgery but should be ready for June organized team activities, Zorn said. Wide receiver Malcolm Kelly, recovering from another knee surgery, is able to run some but is not slated to be able to take part in football activities. Kelly should be able to take part in June OTAs, however, Zorn said. Guard Randy Thomas (neck surgery) and safety Reed Doughty (back surgery) have been cleared for work but will be limited during minicamp, Zorn said. Zorn also said that tackle Mike Williams, signed Friday, will miss minicamp as he begins trying to shed weight. Williams is at 410 pounds - at one point he reached 450, Zorn said - and the Redskins hope to have him around 370 by training camp. Williams has not played an NFL game since 2005.

Zorn said that he expects fullback Mike Sellers, who has been skipping all voluntary workouts and is seeking a new contract according to team and league sources, to be at minicamp. He said Sellers texted him recently to say he is in great shape.
[/quote]

Wow!!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;551287]This isn't looking like the signing I thought it was.[/quote]

410 pounds, wow!

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I wonder why he has back issues . . .

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

Jesus Christ. Well, thats disappointing. Haha, maybe he added 40 pounds of muscle?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;551290]410 pounds, wow![/quote]

I've lost 70 pounds in 4 months before so it's definitely possible for him to get his weight down. Only difference was I had help from a drug called adderall (legally of course) and I did virtually no lifting (30 minutes on a stationary bike everyday) so I probably lost a lot of muscle. Still it's easier to lose weight at 410 pounds then it is at 220. However lossing 40 pounds of bad weight (basically fat) by around June or July is a tall order. He can probably lose at his current size 3 or 4 pounds of fat a week, anything else is just muscle and water weight.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

I'd be pretty surprised if this guy makes the roster.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

This dude is fat. Too fat to make the squad.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=Ruhskins;551277]Well I'm sure having this guy is better than having some rook picked up in the 5th, 6th, or 7th round.[/quote]

Yeah, way better than Jamon Meredith in the 5th.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;551327]Yeah, way better than Jamon Meredith in the 5th.[/quote]

Now now, Ruhskins did not know about the 410 lb. weight issue when he posted.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

Wait, where are we getting this info? I just read something about him weighing in at 360...

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[quote=Superman13732;551332]Wait, where are we getting this info? I just read something about him weighing in at 360...[/quote]

From JLC at the Wash. Post.

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Holy crap; he had gotten up to 450? I question his ethic if he's still at 410 and being serious about making a comeback, maybe he should've thought of this a year ago?

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=Superman13732;551332]Wait, where are we getting this info? I just read something about him weighing in at 360...[/quote]

link to this?

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

Put the fatty on Atkins and he'll be fine.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=Lotus;551331]Now now, Ruhskins did not know about the 410 lb. weight issue when he posted.[/quote]

What I should've said is that this guy weights as much as our 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders combined. LOL.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

This guy need to lift weights. He could lift himself all day and he should lose weight.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=tryfuhl;551356]link to this?[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/26/AR2009042602764.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

Man, I think this guy is going to have lift weights, go on atkins and join a cross country club to drop some of that weight, damn, and i was hoping he actually got in shape over the last few years to get his back in better shape. Maybe its healed (please god?)

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How could you [B]not[/B] have a bad back at 450 lbs? This guy doesn't sound serious about a comeback...

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[quote=The Goat;551729]How could you [B]not[/B] have a bad back at 450 lbs? This guy doesn't sound serious about a comeback...[/quote]

Maybe we can use him as a goal line situation lineman, I mean at that weight he could just fall forward and he'll make a hole.

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Is there anywhere to watch tape of him actually playing? I couldn't find anything on youtube...

I'm definitely skeptical about him, but still glad to have him around, if only to keep up Dockery's spirits lol...

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Wow, this whole situation went from really exciting to bull shit in a split second.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=Superman13732;551745]Wow, this whole situation went from really exciting to bull shit in a split second.[/quote]

he'll prob get cut if he doesn't work out, eh no biggie.

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[quote=Superman13732;551717][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/26/AR2009042602764.html]washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Bottom line of this article: Samuels is still recovering and we're already short on legit OT talent. If we don't sign a stud vet who gets cut because of an expensive contract (and his franchise just drafted one of the four OT studs) I'm gonna have a fit.

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Also found it curious from the article Malcolm Kelly still can't do anything. He's not been able to do all the off-season work w/ JC and develop that chemistry and timing. I would say Kelly isn't likely to contribute anything this year...he just hasn't been able to develop at all since we drafted him. And it's unsettling how there's really nothing said about when he's expected to be fully healthy...his knee sounds like it's FUBAR.

...Vinny is a lousy evaluator IMHO.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=The Goat;551753]Bottom line of this article: Samuels is still recovering and we're already short on legit OT talent. If we don't sign a stud vet who gets cut because of an expensive contract (and his franchise just drafted one of the four OT studs) I'm gonna have a fit.[/quote]

I'm a little tired so im not exactly sure what you are saying here, but the bottom line is, Samuels might be in for an injury plagued year, this guy (Williams) had potential (4th overall in 2002) and he probably wont pan out, where does that leave us? all of a sudden it went from a newly jacked up offensive line with a couple of average, to below average spots, to a piece of Swiss cheese. News floating around says that the Bengals are going to release Levi Jones, but there is already a line starting (Bills). And I was hoping we could save that money for signing stud LB Leroy Hill (UFA Seattle). Damn, all of a sudden it looks like this season just went down the shitter. Hopefully our defense can scrape up 16 near shut outs and can produce some TD's for us this year, our offense isn't going to do shit.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=Superman13732;551757]I'm a little tired so im not exactly sure what you are saying here, but the bottom line is, Samuels might be in for an injury plagued year, this guy (Williams) had potential (4th overall in 2002) and he probably wont pan out, where does that leave us? all of a sudden it went from a newly jacked up offensive line with a couple of average, to below average spots, to a piece of Swiss cheese. News floating around says that the Bengals are going to release Levi Jones, but there is already a line starting (Bills). And I was hoping we could save that money for signing stud LB Leroy Hill (UFA Seattle). [B]Damn, all of a sudden it looks like this season just went down the shitter.[/B] Hopefully our defense can scrape up 16 near shut outs and can produce some TD's for us this year, our offense isn't going to do shit.[/quote]

You are tired. Good point about Jones though, he'll go to a team that's going to make him a stater, but I do hope the team attempts to get him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;551758][B]You are tired[/B]. Good point about Jones though, he'll go to a team that's going to make him a stater, but I do hope the team attempts to get him.[/quote]

Haha, i was hoping it wasn't obvious. But on a serious note, our collapse last year was mainly due to our OL not being able to hold up for the last half of the season. The line this year is looking just as shaky.

Help me break down our line real quick...

Samuels (RT) Dockery (LG) Rabach (C) Thomas (RG) Williams (RT)

If samuels gets hurt and Williams doesn't pan out, we are stuck with an average center a very old right gaurd and the newly bills released LG dockery. I'm going to bed, please someone have something positive to say about this line tomorrow morning so i can have a good Monday.

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Somewhat vague link here about the FO's view of our OT situation:

[url=http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/NFC/NFC+East/Washington/WWHI/2009/wwhi042409.htm]Washington - Pro Football Weekly[/url]

Positive word that we'll be looking for legit talent in FA now. Yes I'd pay a wad for Levi Jones cuz if Samuels gets nicked up we just don't have anyone talented enough to fill in there. Jones would get paid to start at RT obviously...would he go for it? I don't know but we should try. I don't know maybe other talented vets will come available too.

...I think the FO may get serious about the o-line and that to me is the best indicator of the future :)

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;551421]This guy need to lift weights. He could lift himself all day and he should lose weight.[/quote]

Cardio's always quicker short term. He should do both each day though, but to lose weight before the season starts, it needs to be through cardio. Hopefully in the meantime he'll build enough muscle to help him keep it off long term.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=Superman13732;551760]Haha, i was hoping it wasn't obvious. But on a serious note, our collapse last year was mainly due to our OL not being able to hold up for the last half of the season. The line this year is looking just as shaky.

Help me break down our line real quick...

Samuels (RT) Dockery (LG) Rabach (C) Thomas (RG) Williams (RT)

If samuels gets hurt and Williams doesn't pan out, we are stuck with an average center a very old right gaurd and the newly bills released LG dockery. [B]I'm going to bed, please someone have something positive to say about this line tomorrow morning so i can have a good Monday.[/B][/quote]

Rome wasn't built in a day sire...sleep tight.

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[quote=The Goat;551762]Somewhat vague link here about the FO's view of our OT situation:

[url=http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/NFC/NFC+East/Washington/WWHI/2009/wwhi042409.htm]Washington - Pro Football Weekly[/url]

Positive word that we'll be looking for legit talent in FA now. Yes I'd pay a wad for Levi Jones cuz if Samuels gets nicked up we just don't have anyone talented enough to fill in there. Jones would get paid to start at RT obviously...would he go for it? I don't know but we should try. I don't know maybe other talented vets will come available too.

...I think the FO may get serious about the o-line and that to me is the best indicator of the future :)[/quote]

I would hope if the FO was serious about the offensive line that they would look to free agency instead of the 5th, 6th, or 7th round of the draft.

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[quote=Mattyk72;549996]Except we're not giving up any picks[/quote]

Except if you believe Vinny then the signing of Williams impacted their draft strategy and was at least a partial reason for not drafting any linemen.

re: Skins Sign O-Lineman Mike Williams
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;551793]Except if you believe Vinny then the signing of Williams impacted their draft strategy and was at least a partial reason for not drafting any linemen.[/quote]

That seems to be the case.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;551327]Yeah, way better than Jamon Meredith in the 5th.[/quote]

Considering your screen name, I'm assuming some sarcasm here?
After just reading a little about him & seeing him constantly listed on Kiper's "best available" during the draft, I thought Meredith made a lot more sense than an inside LB project who'd only played a year at LB & would've likely been available later.

Another year where they apparently stuck to the board, for better or worse.

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[quote=The Goat;551754]Also found it curious from the article Malcolm Kelly still can't do anything. He's not been able to do all the off-season work w/ JC and develop that chemistry and timing. I would say Kelly isn't likely to contribute anything this year...he just hasn't been able to develop at all since we drafted him. And it's unsettling how there's really nothing said about when he's expected to be fully healthy...his knee sounds like it's FUBAR.

...Vinny is a lousy evaluator IMHO.[/quote]

Kelly said last week that he is rehabbing from the most recent (January) procedure on the knee and all along the target date was the June mini camp. He can run a straight line but they don't want him cutting right now. Their entire focus is on getting the muscles around the knee stronger because when he hurt it in college he rehabbed but didn't continue to strengthen (maintenance basically) which led to it giving him problems again. He is working the plan to get ready for the season, not a May minicamp. As for 'talent' he was universally considered ready to make an impact based on early showings in camp before his injury popped up.

[quote=Superman13732]Help me break down our line real quick...

Samuels (RT) Dockery (LG) Rabach (C) Thomas (RG) Williams (RT)

If samuels gets hurt and Williams doesn't pan out, we are stuck with an average center a very old right gaurd and the newly bills released LG dockery.[/quote] To assume that Williams was brought in as the presumptive starter would be a false premise. He's in on a one year vet min deal. That screams depth/camp body. The depth chart at RT is Heyer, Jansen, Williams-in that order. If Williams really makes huge strides in the next 12 weeks and can enter camp in great shape he might be a factor but there's about a 25% chance of that actually happening.

As for the rest of the line, if any team loses their pro-bowl LT they are pretty much screwed. Nobody has had a negative view on the Dockery signing and there's hope/an expectation internally that Rinehart will be able to step up to fill in if Thomas goes down. Rabach is what he is (average) but he's in the last year of his deal so his replacement is on the way (if not on the roster).

The gloom and doom around here in April(!) is pretty amazing.