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[quote=Lotus;550930]I like MW alot too and think he may be back, although we did sign Robert Thomas. MW looked to me like he had lost a step last year. But he brings such a great attitude and is a good locker room guy.[/quote]

U know what bro the more I thought about the Thomas signing it makes sense that he is our backup WLB. We haven't heard anything about Khary Campbell returning to us, who was a great SP guy but the coaches did not trust to play on defense. With Thomas they have a guy who can be a legitimate backup to Rocky. I bet we still address SLB. Hill would be awesome but he'll probably be too expensive to our cap unless we cut some guys to make room. Daniels or Wynn could go and maybe Rock if we draft his replacement. I can't really think of anyone else.

...so it's probably Marcus over Hill right? I luv, luv, luv Mr. Washington and will be thrilled to get him back. He deserves to play on this defense, which he's carried off and on since '04.

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Haha, Lavar Arrington anybody? I heard a rumor he is available.

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According to JLC the team has not shown an interest in Hill.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/skins-not-expressing-intitial.html]Redskins Insider - Skins Not Expressing Interest in Leroy Hill[/url]

Any word on Levi Jones from Cincy?

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[quote=The Goat;551044]U know what bro the more I thought about the Thomas signing it makes sense that he is our backup WLB. We haven't heard anything about Khary Campbell returning to us, who was a great SP guy but the coaches did not trust to play on defense. With Thomas they have a guy who can be a legitimate backup to Rocky. I bet we still address SLB. Hill would be awesome but he'll probably be too expensive to our cap unless we cut some guys to make room. Daniels or Wynn could go and maybe Rock if we draft his replacement. I can't really think of anyone else.

...so it's probably Marcus over Hill right? I luv, luv, luv Mr. Washington and will be thrilled to get him back. He deserves to play on this defense, which he's carried off and on since '04.[/quote]

Yeah, I think you are right on about Thomas and the Will spot.

As for Hill, we'll have to see how the bidding works out. But if he wants near the $6 mil that he turned down from Seattle, we'd have to cut even more players than you mention. I don't see that happening.

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I think Thomas said the other day, the weakside is where he feels most comfortable and where he wants to play.

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One rumor that is driving me crazu is the Orakpo might line up at linebacker. [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/skins-not-expressing-intitial.html]Redskins Insider - Skins Not Expressing Interest in Leroy Hill[/url]

This tends to ruin DE, i forget his name, but the Texans drafted a DE and tried to move him to OLB, and it failed miserably. Leave him at his natural position, let him develop at DE.

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[quote=Superman13732;551062]One rumor that is driving me crazu is the Orakpo might line up at linebacker. [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/skins-not-expressing-intitial.html]Redskins Insider - Skins Not Expressing Interest in Leroy Hill[/url]

This tends to ruin DE, i forget his name, but the Texans drafted a DE and tried to move him to OLB, and it failed miserably. Leave him at his natural position, let him develop at DE.[/quote]

In the post-draft presser yesterday Zorn said Orakpo would be pretty much a hand-on-the-ground defensive end.

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[quote=Lotus;551066]In the post-draft presser yesterday Zorn said Orakpo would be pretty much a hand-on-the-ground defensive end.[/quote]

Thank god. If they mess this kid up I will personally kick some FO ass.

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[quote=gw0103;550911]Hill will definitely cost more than the Skins want to put out to address the SLB
situation.. There are still more options in the draft and with Orakpo's versatility,
He sometimes lined up as a LB in Texas, We might see a hybrid of DE/LB. I think
we will also be resigning MW, who I still love, too.[/quote]

I agree 100% and think Marcus "losing a step" was due more to injury then anything else. If he's healthy, [B]he's more than good enough[/B]. Players aren't horses, you don't shoot them after an injury. He can come back and come back strong.

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[quote=53Fan;551077]I agree 100% and think Marcus "losing a step" was due more to injury then anything else. If he's healthy, [B]he's more than good enough[/B]. Players aren't horses, you don't shoot them after an injury. He can come back and come back strong.[/quote]

I agree with you that he is more than good enough.

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[quote=Superman13732;551062]One rumor that is driving me crazu is the Orakpo might line up at linebacker. [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/skins-not-expressing-intitial.html]Redskins Insider - Skins Not Expressing Interest in Leroy Hill[/url]

This tends to ruin DE, i forget his name, but the Texans drafted a DE and tried to move him to OLB, and it failed miserably. Leave him at his natural position, let him develop at DE.[/quote]
I feel the same way!!! Get Hill and leave our 1st round DE at DE!

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I would be really smart to lock Hill up now long term IMO...really smart. But Blache also does a good job getting solid play from somewhat undertalented guys in our system...so maybe Hill isn't a huge priority. I just worry what happens after London retires...can Blades be that QB of the d and then who's gonna be the other OLB we need? Hill would allay some worries long term.

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LB is a position we should've looked at more seriously through the draft.

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we drafted 2 of them

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;552188]we drafted 2 of them[/quote]

Two? I know we got the one in the 6th round... who was the other one?

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Hill would complete the defense. Appears that we have enough cap room too.
Defense would be SICK!

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[quote=mrreddman;552199]Hill would complete the defense. [B]Appears that we have enough cap room too.[/B]
Defense would be SICK![/quote]

Do we? I thought we had just under $6 mil before we even sign rookies.

Hill, as much as I would love to have him, turned down $6 mil a year from Seattle. Methinks he is too expensive.

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[quote=Lotus;552200]Do we? I thought we had just under $6 mil before we even sign rookies.

Hill, as much as I would love to have him, turned down $6 mil a year from Seattle. Methinks he is too expensive.[/quote]

Yea, and the FO said they were going to look at some OL? I read that somewhere, who is available and how can we possibly afford them?

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Well they have us here at 8.9 Million under the cap. If we really want Hill, that should be plenty to sign him and our draft picks. Our cap man is our MVP so im certain it can happen...

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[quote=mrreddman;552203]Well they have us here at 8.9 Million under the cap. If we really want Hill, that should be plenty to sign him and our draft picks. Our cap man is our MVP so im certain it can happen...[/quote]

Even if that is true, Hill wants more than $6 mil. a year. That would leave less than $2.9 mil. in the most optimistic scenario. And we still need to sign Orakpo, who as a first rounder will not be cheap. And everyone and their brother wants us to sign an OT. Can we really sign Orakpo, the rest of the rookies, and a FA OT for less than $2.9 mil.? That seems unlikely, especially given that the $2.9 mil. number was already optimistic.

It seems to me that to have a hope we'd have to do serious cutting, not just cosmetic cutting, elsewhere. We'd have to give up big names, not just someone like Thrash.

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We should make a real push to sign him, especially since we have enough cap room. Blades is nothing more than a backup, while Thomas has been injury prone. If we got Hill, we would arguably have one of the best defenses in the league.

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[quote=vallin21;552209]We should make a real push to sign him, especially since we have enough cap room. Blades is nothing more than a backup, while Thomas has been injury prone. If we got Hill, we would arguably have one of the best defenses in the league.[/quote]
Blades is an absolute beast. He is our air apparent to Fletcher. The problem is that him and Fletcher dont go well together because of size.

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[quote=vallin21;552209]We should make a real push to sign him, especially since we have enough cap room. Blades is nothing more than a backup, while Thomas has been injury prone. If we got Hill, we would arguably have one of the best defenses in the league.[/quote]

Lotus landed this one right on the money, and he said it right before your post, ill throw it out there again:

"Even if that is true, Hill wants more than $6 mil. a year. That would leave less than $2.9 mil. in the most optimistic scenario. And we still need to sign Orakpo, who as a first rounder will not be cheap. And everyone and their brother wants us to sign an OT. Can we really sign Orakpo, the rest of the rookies, and a FA OT for less than $2.9 mil.? That seems unlikely, especially given that the $2.9 mil. number was already optimistic.

It seems to me that to have a hope we'd have to do serious cutting, not just cosmetic cutting, elsewhere. We'd have to give up big names, not just someone like Thrash." - Lotus

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Well I don't think Hill is gonna get exactly what he is asking for. He was arrested not long ago and just released after the draft. It's not like he has a lot of leverage. I would still try to make a run at him for a reasonable offer.

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[quote=mrreddman;552224]Well I don't think Hill is gonna get exactly what he is asking for. He was arrested not long ago and just released after the draft. It's not like he has a lot of leverage. I would still try to make a run at him for a reasonable offer.[/quote]

Unfortunately i heard there were multiple teams courting him already. But if we can get him, AND have enough to make all of the other moves we need to, then hell yes we should do it!

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Yeah I heard that too, but at that price? I would do it though. I just think the move would be a HUGE asset for the skins.

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Him and Albert Haynesworth have something in common, neither has played a full 16 game season. He's on the smallish side and scouts worry that he wears out towards the end of the game due to his aggressive style.

[url=http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/02/leroy_hill_is_an_intriguing_bu.html]Linebacker Leroy Hill an intriguing, but risky, free agent possibility for Lions - Detroit Lions: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com[/url]

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He is still a lot better than any options currently on our roster, that's for sure. And he can't be any worse than MW last year. Not many players make it through a full 17 game schedule anymore but if your concerned about that... rotate Blades in at all 3 backup LB's spot during the game unless Wilson or one of these rookies step up.?
All players a some kind of gamble these days...

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[quote=DoggDayAfternoon;552184]LB is a position we should've looked at more seriously through the draft.[/quote]

They had 6 picks and took two LBs and there is talk that Orakpo is going to try LB out. Should they have taken more?

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[quote=Lotus;552206]Even if that is true, Hill wants more than $6 mil. a year. That would leave less than $2.9 mil. in the most optimistic scenario. And we still need to sign Orakpo, who as a first rounder will not be cheap. And everyone and their brother wants us to sign an OT. Can we really sign Orakpo, the rest of the rookies, and a FA OT for less than $2.9 mil.? That seems unlikely, especially given that the $2.9 mil. number was already optimistic.

It seems to me that to have a hope we'd have to do serious cutting, not just cosmetic cutting, elsewhere. We'd have to give up big names, not just someone like Thrash.[/quote] We have to get him[Hill signed] this would be big for us. Now yes the cap is full but next year looks to be not a cap year right? So back load it with a big amount coming next season. The numbers can be moved around to get him in if Danny wants him. But it looks like Vinny is happy with the LB's he has so I don't think we will get Hill. Tell you something Hill has way more up side then J.Taylor had and we broke this years draft for him. Hill may cost us some of Dannys S money but Hill is better then most of our LB on the roster now[Fletcher and Mcintosh is really all we have]. I sure love to see Hill[6-1 235], Fletcher[5-10 245] and Mcintosh[6-2 233] as our LB's! I guess I can dream!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;552265]They had 6 picks and took two LBs and there is talk that Orakpo is going to try LB out. Should they have taken more?[/quote] I think Orakpo is going to have his hands full just playing DE and learning to stop the run against the NFC east RB's! Maybe down the road LB but that asking a little to much from a first year player to cover RB's and TE's in the NFL right out of the gate!

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[quote=RedskinPete;552277]I think Orakpo is going to have his hands full just playing DE and learning to stop the run against the NFC east RB's! Maybe down the road LB but that asking a little to much from a first year player to cover RB's and TE's in the NFL right out of the gate![/quote]

Swinging Rak to LB would just increase his bust risk IMHO...it's not smart to throw a ton at a rookie. Keep his hand in the dirt all year...like GT said probably at RDE but if Rak can bulk up a bit and become for stout against the run I want to see him at LDE.

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[Quote=The Goat]Swinging Rak to LB would just increase his bust risk IMHO...it's not smart to throw a ton at a rookie. Keep his hand in the dirt all year...like GT said probably at RDE but if Rak can bulk up a bit and become for stout against the run I want to see him at LDE. [/quote]
Exactly. As a rookie, we should only ask him to play one position, and at this time, that postion should be DE.

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[quote=The Goat;552395]Swinging Rak to LB would just increase his bust risk IMHO...it's not smart to throw a ton at a rookie. Keep his hand in the dirt all year...like GT said probably at RDE but if Rak can bulk up a bit and become for stout against the run I want to see him at LDE.[/quote]

Right on Goat.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;552221]Blades is an absolute beast. [B]He is our air apparent to Fletcher.[/B] The problem is that him and Fletcher dont go well together because of size.[/quote]
Exactly, Blades is [B]not[/B] an OLB. He is and will be the replacement for Flecther at MLB, and when he plays MLB he's a beast. Would you agree we need to sign some vet FA (Hill, Foote) to come in and compete for the SAM spot?

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[quote=vallin21;552474]Exactly, Blades is [B]not[/B] an OLB. He is and will be the replacement for Flecther at MLB, and when he plays MLB he's a beast. Would you agree we need to sign some vet FA (Hill, Foote) to come in and compete for the SAM spot?[/quote]

I agree that keeping an eye on the LB market is a good idea. There may be more candidates than Hill or Foote available in the near future as teams do post-draft housecleaning.

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[quote=Lotus;552479]I agree that keeping an eye on the LB market is a good idea. [B]There may be more candidates than Hill or Foote available in the near future as teams do post-draft housecleaning.[/B][/quote]
I definitely agree with that.

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The problem is we do not have enough money in the cap to sign a good free-agent LB..

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[quote=GridIron26;552578]The problem is we do not have enough money in the cap to sign a good free-agent LB..[/quote]

Haha, this is very true, at the moment. hopefully we can do a little spring cleaning ourselves and dump some unwanted salaries.

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Here is something to mull over: "According to Sando, Seahawks coach Jim Mora spoke with Hill on Sunday morning, and the linebacker seemed "shook up" and "disappointed" at the team's decision to withdraw the tag. It's possible that Hill's agent Todd France may be able to draw some nice offers from other teams, but the original offer that the Seahawks made of $36 million over six years is unlikely to be matched, and the $8.3 million tender Hill would've earned under the franchise tender is a pipe dream at this point."