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[quote=Defensewins;551491]This FO is an embarrassment.[/quote]

See I don't blame Vinny because he is a puppet. He is protecting his job.

It is almost like Snyder wants Campbell to fail. They should have traded the last 4 picks this year for picks next year.

The thing is that they will probably hit with Orakpo and the corner and then claim how successful the draft was.

Who the f--- is Cody Glenn?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;551500]See I don't blame Vinny because he is a puppet. He is protecting his job.

It is almost like Snyder wants Campbell to fail. They should have traded the last 4 picks this year for picks next year.
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The thing is that they will probably hit with Orakpo and the corner and then claim how successful the draft was.[/B]

Who the f--- is Cody Glenn?[/quote]

Well, if you get two quality starters out of a draft, it was probably pretty successful, especially without a 2nd rounder.

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[quote=SmootSmack;551499][B]You gotta wonder why so many teams, not just us, passed on OL like Duke Robinson[/B]. Orakpo and Barnes are great picks. Glenn is borderline. Henson and Williams I don't get really. Mitchell could be a steal, but I hope not because more than likely it would mean that he got playing time because Kelly couldn't stay healthy.
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I'll give it a C, but I'm not one to grade off-seasons based only on draft.[/B][/quote]

Robinson's performance in the Natn'l Championship against a fast SEC defense was downright pathetic. He got blown by multiple times, drew 3 or 4 penalties, and even got benched for a few series. It hurt him significantly I think.

But this thread isn't asking you to grade the off-season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;551499][B]You gotta wonder why so many teams, not just us, passed on OL like Duke Robinson.[/B] Orakpo and Barnes are great picks. Glenn is borderline. Henson and Williams I don't get really. Mitchell could be a steal, but I hope not because more than likely it would mean that he got playing time because Kelly couldn't stay healthy.

I'll give it a C, but I'm not one to grade off-seasons based only on draft.[/quote]

HOF Russ Grimm was not taken until the 3rd round. For some strange reason college OG's drop in value because the assumption is they are as good as an OT. It is a bad assumption. I think some of these great OG that were picked later in this draft will end up being better NFL OL than some of the OT that were taken higher.

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1- Brian Orakpo (DE) B+ I would've tried to trade down to get Mack and Eben Britton, but this has to be the best pick out our entire draft. If no one would've traded I would've taken Oher.

3- Kevin Barnes (CB) F- We drafted a CB last year (Tryon), we signed Hall, and we've Smoot, Westbrook, and Rogers already.

5- Cody Glenn (OLB) C+ Ok, we needed an OLB but I would've used the third to get a better OLB, not to mention all of the Ts right there for the picking. Jamon Meredith or Duke Robinson would've made more sense.

6- Robert Henson (OLB) F- Overkill.

7- Eddie Williams (TE/FB) D- So is he going to be a FB or a TE? Don't we already have Cooley, Davis and Yoder? Sellers is there? If we wanted a true FB than why not sign one. I would've taken Rashad Jennings.

7- Marko Mitchell (WR) F-- No need to explain this grade.

If they did they're homework on this draft I can't see it, at least right now. Week eight will prove me right.

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[quote=GMScud;551502][B]Robinson's performance in the Natn'l Championship against a fast SEC defense was downright pathetic.[/B] He got blown by multiple times, drew 3 or 4 penalties, and even got benched for a few series. It hurt him significantly I think.

But this thread isn't asking you to grade the off-season.[/quote]

That was one game. Robinson was four starter and started as a true freshman at LT. All of this in the SEC. So what did Cody Glenn do that made him a better prospect than Robinson? Gleen started one year at a not so good Nebraska team? Don't get it. No logic there.

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[quote=GMScud;551501]Well, if you get two quality starters out of a draft, it was probably pretty successful, especially without a 2nd rounder.[/quote]


That is a pretty low expectation level. When the Giants won it they nailed something like 7 picks.

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[quote=Defensewins;551511]That was one game. Robinson was four starter and started as a true freshman at LT. All of this in the SEC. So what did Cody Glenn do that made him a better prospect than Robinson?[/quote]

1st of all, Duke Robinson played for Oklahoma. Last time I checked that's in the Big 12.

2nd, I never said Cody Glenn was a better prospect. In fact, I would have been much happier with Duke than Glenn. I'm just pointing out something that probably hurt his stock.

If you don't think one game can make a guy plummet in the draft, see our very own Colt Brennan. After what Georgia did to Hawaii in that BCS game, Brennan fell far and fast. Granted it was mostly the O-line's fault, just saying.

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[quote=GMScud;551513]1st of all, Duke Robinson played for Oklahoma. Last time I checked that's in the Big 12.

2nd, I never said Cody Glenn was a better prospect. In fact, I would have been much happier with Duke than Glenn. I'm just pointing out something that probably hurt his stock.

If you don't think one game can make a guy plummet in the draft, see our very own Colt Brennan. After what Georgia did to Hawaii in that BCS game, Brennan fell far and fast. Granted it was mostly the O-line's fault, just saying.[/quote]

Duke Robinson in the 5th would've been a steal.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;551512]That is a pretty low expectation level. When the Giants won it they nailed something like 7 picks.[/quote]

I said quality starters. That Giants team got contributions from 7 or 8 guys, not 7 starters. Also, that was a serious exception (which was why it was talked about so much), not the norm for a "good" draft.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;551512]That is a pretty low expectation level. When the Giants won it they nailed something like 7 picks.[/quote]

GMScud is right. The Giants got 7 contributors, not 7 starters, out of that draft. They also had 10 or 11 picks that draft and we had about half of that this year. No one starts 7 rookies unless they are the Lions.

If every team got 7 starters out of every draft, there'd be even more turnover in the NFL every year.

Two starters is a reasonable expectation and we may have gotten two.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;551515]Duke Robinson in the 5th would've been a steal.[/quote]

Maybe. Duke is wrapped in red flags. He does us no good if he's on suspension, as he was in college more than once.

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[quote=Soup's Uncle;551420]I'm thinking we're going to make a trade for a bomb right tackle...I can feel it.[/quote]

Shouldn't have to trade for a bomb OT w/ all the studs getting taken in the draft...some talented vets are bound to be cut. But I get your drift SU...if the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense consistency we need to add a very talented OT to our roster.

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I was kinda shocked. I could not get on this web site all day. busy, busy, busy. Oh well. lol.

Now I graded it a C. I love the 1st round pick I guess. This a long with AH should make us a beast on defense. Then I kinda expected some OL. Only cause offense was our weakness last yr. Defense was ranked 4th. Go figure. All in all I figured since they went mostly offense last yr they probubly felt they should go mostly defense this yr.

I'm excited to see what CB Kevin Barnes brings. He seemed like a real hitter but the mags said he injured his colar bone and had a pin put in. Wonder how well it will hold up.

I know nothing about the two LB's we picked. I thought they had ideas of moving Chris Wilson to LB. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I never saw that they picked a TE/FB. I don't know why. They have Davis and Cooley. Unless they are trying to see if this guy is better then Sellers or Yoder.

I'm excited about the WR. Even though he's a late pick and most likely camp fodder, I like the fact their bringing someone else in, in case Kelly has a set back.

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I hope the cornerback, Barnes, can put some weight on but keep his speed. If so, he could be a great.

I give the draft a B by the way, it will produce 2 starters with the few picks we had and I think we passed on the O-line talent in the 5th for a reason (we have a plan), but only time will tell.

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[quote=GMScud;551502]Robinson's performance in the Natn'l Championship against a fast SEC defense was downright pathetic. He got blown by multiple times, drew 3 or 4 penalties, and even got benched for a few series. It hurt him significantly I think.

But this thread isn't asking you to grade the off-season.[/quote]

I know, not grading the off-season here. Just giving the draft a C. I give Orakpo and Barnes both A's. Glenn a B-, Henson and Mitchell Ds, and Mitchell a C+. I give more weight to the early picks because they are higher picks so they (the team) should hit on those. So somehow that averages out to a C, :)

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[quote=The Goat;551523]Shouldn't have to trade for a bomb OT w/ all the studs getting taken in the draft...some talented vets are bound to be cut. But I get your drift SU...if the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense consistency [B]we need to add a very talented OT to our roster.[/B][/quote]

Bingo. The problem is that there weren't any of these after the second round. Overall it was one of the weakest OL classes in years.

We could have drafted Oher instead of Orakpo. We could have not traded for Jason Taylor and used that pick to get Beatty or Loadholt (it's a bit late to rescind that trade, though). We could have traded back from #13 but apparently we tried but did not get good offers to do so.

That leaves us with doing our offensive line shopping elsewhere. I think that is now the plan. IMO it is not a bad one.

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I gave us a C, might should have given us a B...not for what we got, but that we did not trade any of the 2010 picks away. Other quick comment...getting a top 3 pick to too expensive for unproven talent

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Who could realize at it at the time...but Daniels knee injury equalled a second round pick.

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[quote=Boston Brave;551540]I gave us a C, might should have given us a B...not for what we got, [B]but that we did not trade any of the 2010 picks away[/B]. Other quick comment...getting a top 3 pick to too expensive for unproven talent[/quote]

You are right! Next year's draft is intact (for now) and should be richer in talent. That's COOL.

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D Orakpo was a no brainer. Anyone would have made that pick. The CB may be a good pick but the rest are questionable. The OL wasn't addressed at all. The picks they actually had to think about are on players that were projected to be taken late if at all which eliminated the best player available argument. having a TE Fullback over some Ol is just wasteful. In my opinion. So D for the draft where any thought mattered and C if the CB works out. We need a real GM.

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Did not like the LBs. They were undersized and with character concerns. Full backs bore the crap out of me. Like the WR, just for the simple fact that his measurables look good. Orakpo was a flat out steal. Second best case scenario to us drafting Sanchez at thirteen.

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I was going to give us a B before that FB/TE pick. The LBs I could halfway understand even if it were for depths sake. Barnes needs to hit the weight room and stay healthy for him to be worth anything. The WR from Nevada on paper seems like he has a better chance to make the team than the 3 guys picked above him. I give it a C now. I know there will be FA linemen out there, but it would have been nice to get another possible Samuels or two in the fold. I rather sign a lower round draftee linemen than pay more $$$$$ for an older, not as strong vet.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;551579]I was going to give us a B before that FB/TE pick. The LBs I could halfway understand even if it were for depths sake. Barnes needs to hit the weight room and stay healthy for him to be worth anything. The WR from Nevada on paper seems like he has a better chance to make the team than the 3 guys picked above him. I give it a C now. I know there will be FA linemen out there, but it would have been nice to get another possible Samuels or two in the fold.[/quote]
Samuels was the 3rd pick in his draft, we weren't getting another samuels in the 5-7th round. Best we could get is a Dockery, and I guess the FO is assuming Rinehart might develop this year. To really upgrade the line at this point (not just make it younger for the sake of youth) we need to find a G/T upgrade from other teams cuts.

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I think if the o-line was to be addressed, it would have been with the #1 pick. I would give the draft a B grade because:

- Good smokescreen with the whole Sanchez deal
- Picking Orakpo
- Picking up Barnes
- Adding depth to LB corps

I think I'd rather address the o-line with a post draft FA than a low round rookie. I still think Buges is telling the team that he has faith on his linemen though, and well I hope for the sake of the team that he's right.

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[quote=GMScud;551380]Well, the picks are in. What is your grade (A+ through F-) and why?

[I]EDIT: Since a few people are questioning what exactly it is I'm asking you to grade, consider: Based on the Redskins needs heading into Saturday, and based on the projections of the players we selected, assign a letter grade to your preliminary assessment of the Redskins 2009 draft class.[/I]

1- Brian Orakpo (DE)
3- Kevin Barnes (CB)
5- Cody Glenn (OLB)
6- Robert Henson (OLB)
7- Eddie Williams (TE/FB)
7- Marko Mitchell (WR)

I gvie it a C. LOVE Orakpo, love that we didn't go after Sanchez. Hate that we didn't upgrade the OL, and the Cody Glenn pick is a head scratcher.[/quote]

Yeah I'm with you on the O-line. What are we going to do at RT and O-line depth??? Does our FO put any value on the O-line?? Outside of Orakpo I'm not too sure about the rest of these guys. I give it a C-.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;551572]Did not like the LBs. They were undersized and with character concerns. Full backs bore the crap out of me. Like the WR, just for the simple fact that his measurables look good. Orakpo was a flat out steal. Second best case scenario to us drafting Sanchez at thirteen.[/quote]


After the Orakpo and Barnes picks, nothing made any real sense. We could have picked up a decent T in round 3. Barnes, if he can stay healthy and maybe bulk up a bit, can be a solid player for us. Other than those 2, I would say the WR Mitchell seems to be the only one that could really help us out in any way if our two other young WRs don't pan out.

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Grade: C. Orakpo should fill a need. Barnes can be a good nickle back. But who the heck are those other guys? And where are the O-Linemen? On second thought, make that grade a D.

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A-. D for effort. A for results. Results always trump effort.

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How do you grade effort exactly??

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;551584]Samuels was the 3rd pick in his draft, we weren't getting another samuels in the 5-7th round. Best we could get is a Dockery, and I guess the FO is assuming Rinehart might develop this year. To really upgrade the line at this point (not just make it younger for the sake of youth) we need to find a G/T upgrade from other teams cuts.[/quote]

I rather look for undrafted rookies first. Youth is only part of the equation. Money is the big factor. Sign a vet FA and it is going to cost you money, big money if he is any good. Sign a bunch of undrafted rooks and work them out. If you can get 2-3 of them to be worth keeping good for you. You can keep them around for a long time and they will only get better. Plugging in older vets like we have hasn't been the best option. Our guys are getting dinged up way too often.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;551600]I rather look for undrafted rookies first. Youth is only part of the equation. Money is the big factor. Sign a vet FA and it is going to cost you money, big money if he is any good. Sign a bunch of undrafted rooks and work them out. If you can get 2-3 of them to be worth keeping good for you. You can keep them around for a long time and they will only get better. Plugging in older vets like we have hasn't been the best option. Our guys are getting dinged up way too often.[/quote]

True, but those rookies have to have the right level of talent. A vet should have some talent.

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I give this draft a B+. Love the Orakpo and Barnes pick. I've said it before but I honestly believe Barnes was a steal!! To be honest not too familiar with the two LBs so im just hoping for the best. The FB looks to have come from a West Coast Offense so thats a plus. And the WR might have some potenital a la Anthony Mix.

Look I know everyone is pissed (including myself) that we ended up with basically the same O-line but I believe that some of this was Buges's doing. He loves the vets and probably felt that none of the talent available outside of the first was any better than what we have on the team. I would like to think that if Buges REALLY pushed for Duke or Meredith in the 5th it would have happened but it didn't. I've posted somewhere else about why I don't care much for Duke but Meredith seemed like a good pick at the time. I think Buges doesn't see him as an upgrade to either Jansen or Heyer to be honest with you guys and thats fine with me. I don't think we should get O line just to say we did (I stole this from Gtripp). Lets see how things unfold.

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I'll count the UDFAs as part of the draft, and so I'll bump them up to a B- with the Williams signing.

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[quote=cobracai1;551613]I give this draft a B+. Love the Orakpo and Barnes pick. I've said it before but I honestly believe Barnes was a steal!! To be honest not too familiar with the two LBs so im just hoping for the best. The FB looks to have come from a West Coast Offense so thats a plus. And the WR might have some potenital a la Anthony Mix.

Look I know everyone is pissed (including myself) that we ended up with basically the same O-line but I believe that some of this was Buges's doing. He loves the vets and probably felt that none of the talent available outside of the first was any better than what we have on the team. I would like to think that if Buges REALLY pushed for Duke or Meredith in the 5th it would have happened but it didn't. I've posted somewhere else about why I don't care much for Duke but [B]Meredith seemed like a good pick at the time. [/B] I think Buges doesn't see him as an upgrade to either Jansen or Heyer to be honest with you guys and thats fine with me. I don't think we should get O line just to say we did (I stole this from Gtripp). Lets see how things unfold.[/quote]

For the better part of of the draft no one thought Meredith was a good pick. Then, if he just fallen a few more picks, we may have taken him. He could have been a just-miss.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;551600]I rather look for undrafted rookies first. Youth is only part of the equation. Money is the big factor. Sign a vet FA and it is going to cost you money, big money if he is any good. Sign a bunch of undrafted rooks and work them out. If you can get 2-3 of them to be worth keeping good for you. You can keep them around for a long time and they will only get better. Plugging in older vets like we have hasn't been the best option. Our guys are getting dinged up way too often.[/quote]
If a guy gets cut he's not going to be able to demand big money, usually. There are always exceptions but yeah. So signing a cut guy isn't too bad if it buys you some time and he works out better than anybody else that you brought in. After draft trades I'm a bit weary of just because I like having our picks next year.

So our team needs to stay healthy through camp/preseason so we don't have to give up picks to acquire guys.

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[quote=SmootSmack;551624]I'll count the UDFAs as part of the draft, and so I'll bump them up to a B- with the Williams signing.[/quote]

Well Williams was drafted in 2002, but as far as FA pickups, not a bad prospect, but I'm not sure how he raises the grade any.

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C-
The second day picks made no sense..kevin barnes???he's had multiple injuries and we could have gotten him in the fifth
Cody Glenn ...who the hell is he, he'll be cut...and we could of had Meredith or duke robinson who for I don't know what reason fell way out of the second round and to the 5or6th round he could of played guard or tackle for us somewhere down the road

Henson looks ok judging by his highlights
I think we meant to take edwin Williams out of Maryland than eddie willaims out of Idaho who again we don't need and will be cut
Mitchell the wr we could have gottenbetter wrs but whatever I guess zorn loves this guy or something

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[quote=tryfuhl;551650]Well Williams was drafted in 2002, but as far as FA pickups, not a bad prospect, but I'm not sure how he raises the grade any.[/quote]

I think he's talking about Edwin Williams, the C from Maryland we just signed. UDFA=Undrafted....

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Here is my draft. Three players I would have picked never got drafted.
1. Brian Orakpo DE 1st
2. Duke Robinson G,C 3rd
3. Gerald Cadigan RT, G 5th
4. Brad Jones OLB 6th
5. Anthony Appleby OLB 7th
6. Joe Bell RT 7th