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I really question those who say Betts is a "slower" version of CP. Maybe at one time, but I would doubt that now. Certainly, Betts has as much or more of a burst than CP & hits the hole just as quickly IMO. He's not as tough as CP & doesn't make as much when there's nothing there, but in the open field I think he's probably better than CP at this point.

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Having not read the other threads my feeling is expendable only to the point that he is similar to Portis but Portis does it better. If anyone was expendable to me to get rid of or let go it would be Rock. He's third on the depth chart and honestly only does one job. He's a KR. He does not even do PR. They only used him as a RB when Portis went down and that was sparingly to the effect they brought in Alexander. You have 3 RB's in case one goes down and they still brought someone in off the street and used him instead of Rock.

I think the position coach was saying prior to draft that he would like a small faster RB like a scat back, one that could take it to the edge. Portis , Betts, nor Rock have the speed to do that. Originally Portis did but he was asked to put on weight during Gibbs tenure and he slowed down some. Portis is more of the straight ahead runner now. Ram it through the line. However I would still be looking for a solid heavier goal line RB/FB to punch the ball over the line for the 1-4 yrd gain. Heavy duty package.

I would probubly get rid of Rock and allow one of our other KR's to step up and fill both KR and PR and leave ARE to WR only. That person might be one of the smaller faster RB's we picked up prior to the draft, the one from Canada or the one from the Bronco's who are more of the scat back types.

I would obviously keep Mason cause he is the second coming and would be nice to develope for t he future to replace Betts and Portis.

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[quote=SBXVII;552911]Having not read the other threads my feeling is expendable only to the point that he is similar to Portis but Portis does it better. If anyone was expendable to me to get rid of or let go it would be Rock. He's third on the depth chart and honestly only does one job. He's a KR. He does not even do PR. They only used him as a RB when Portis went down and that was sparingly to the effect they brought in Alexander. You have 3 RB's in case one goes down and they still brought someone in off the street and used him instead of Rock.

I think the position coach was saying prior to draft that he would like a small faster RB like a scat back, one that could take it to the edge. Portis , Betts, nor Rock have the speed to do that. Originally Portis did but he was asked to put on weight during Gibbs tenure and he slowed down some. Portis is more of the straight ahead runner now. Ram it through the line. However I would still be looking for a solid heavier goal line RB/FB to punch the ball over the line for the 1-4 yrd gain. Heavy duty package.

I would probubly get rid of Rock and allow one of our other KR's to step up and fill both KR and PR and leave ARE to WR only. That person might be one of the smaller faster RB's we picked up prior to the draft, the one from Canada or the one from the Bronco's who are more of the scat back types.

I would obviously keep Mason cause he is the second coming and would be nice to develope for t he future to replace Betts and Portis.[/quote]
One thing about Rock is that he is the ST "QB". Certainly we need to look at the RB's in training camp/preseason, but Rock is more to the team then just a KR. (Hyping a draft pick, Cody Glenn may kinda fill this role)

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Portis #1 back, Sellers as FB, Keep Cartwright as #2 back, and let Alridge and Mason compete for the #3 back position. Dorsey or #3 back competition loser could compete for special teams or be practice squad. Trade Betts for a starter quality LB. Saints only have 2 backs. Maybe they would be interested in a trade for Betts or another team. Betts is a good back but not a change of pace back for Portis. Maybe Alridge or Mason who are quick slash type runners can compete as the #2 back even.

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I think Betts is expendable but I think they missed the window on his value. Hindsight is 20/20 but they definitely should have traded him after his big half season a couple years ago. He is not a good compliment to Portis which meant he was never going to be more then a backup here.

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[quote=redskingrove;552934]Portis #1 back, Sellers as FB, Keep Cartwright as #2 back, and let Alridge and Mason compete for the #3 back position. Dorsey or #3 back competition loser could compete for special teams or be practice squad. Trade Betts for a starter quality LB. Saints only have 2 backs. Maybe they would be interested in a trade for Betts or another team. Betts is a good back but not a change of pace back for Portis. Maybe Alridge or Mason who are quick slash type runners can compete as the #2 back even.[/quote]

While I disagree with Cartwright being the #2 back (he may not even make the roster this year) I agree with shopping Betts for a starting quality LB. I think we could make a play for Edge James to pair with Portis and see what we have with Aldridge/Dorsey/Mason.

I've never really gotten the fascination with Betts. He's okay as a RB but doesn't do anything impressive. There's not any aspect of his game that stands out.

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People want to write off Rock every year it seems. He's a good special teams guy and that's why he sticks. I don't see his job being in serious jeopardy this year.

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[quote=freddyg12;552909]He's not as tough as CP & doesn't make as much when there's nothing there, [B]but in the open field I think he's probably better than CP at this point[/B].[/quote]

Now you have gone too far, you have gotta be kidding me.

Betts isnt a pimple on CP's arse!!! Betts is a great receiving tailback, but we dont need that. What we need is a good change of pace back, one that can compliment CP. Betts is just a "poor mans" CP, he does run hard, but he doesnt make anyone miss.

And Rock is a true Redskin, but he will never be a starting caliber running back in this league. Great special teamer, but never gonna be #1 or #2 back.

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[B]Yes[/B]. He had one good year. That's it.

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[quote=roth74va;552985]now you have gone too far, you have gotta be kidding me.

Betts isnt a pimple on cp's arse!!! Betts is a great receiving tailback, but we dont need that. What we need is a good change of pace back, one that can compliment cp. Betts is just a "poor mans" cp, he does run hard, but he doesnt make anyone miss.

And rock is a true redskin, but he will never be a starting caliber running back in this league. Great special teamer, but never gonna be #1 or #2 back.[/quote]

totally agree!!!!

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Until we find someone who is as talented as Betts, (via FA, or trade) he will be our #2 RB this season. Cartwright isn't going to get released because he's a great special teamer and a locker room leader, but he won't be the #3 RB like he was the last few seasons. Dorsey or Aldridge (I think Aldrige) will most likely be the #3 RB.

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I think Betts is totally expendable, but he doesn't suck. I'd actually like to see him get more carries this year for the sake of Clinton's health. Hopefully Alridge or Dorsey will make the team and we can use their speed out of the backfield occasionally.

I think the 2010 offseason will definitely involve either using a 1st day pick on a RB, or making a move for a very good free agent. With the pounding CP has taken since coming here, I can't see how he can play more than another year or two as a top tier RB. I hope I'm wrong.

Does anyone have a list of RBs who will be free agents next offseason? I suppose the whole CBA/uncapped season thing will have a lot to do with it.

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[quote=GMScud;553026]I think Betts is totally expendable, but he doesn't suck. I'd actually like to see him get more carries this year for the sake of Clinton's health. Hopefully Alridge or Dorsey will make the team and we can use their speed out of the backfield occasionally.

I think the 2010 offseason will definitely involve either using a 1st day pick on a RB, or making a move for a very good free agent. With the pounding CP has taken since coming here, I can't see how he can play more than another year or two as a top tier RB. I hope I'm wrong.

Does anyone have a list of RBs who will be free agents next offseason? I suppose the whole CBA/uncapped season thing will have a lot to do with it.[/quote]

I imagine Darren Sproles will be available (we could go after Rivers and Sproles next year!)

But otherwise, I'm not positive. Willie Parker maybe?

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Not only no, but HECK NO!

The guy is a very good number two back and he can return kicks too! Heck no!

Besides there is no number two back out there that would be an upgrade over him.

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[quote=GMScud;553026]I think Betts is totally expendable, but he doesn't suck. I'd actually like to see him get more carries this year for the sake of Clinton's health. Hopefully Alridge or Dorsey will make the team and we can use their speed out of the backfield occasionally.

I think the 2010 offseason will definitely involve either using a 1st day pick on a RB, or making a move for a very good free agent. With the pounding CP has taken since coming here, I can't see how he can play more than another year or two as a top tier RB. I hope I'm wrong.

Does anyone have a list of RBs who will be free agents next offseason? I suppose the whole CBA/uncapped season thing will have a lot to do with it.[/quote]

Haha, we can trade Hall and a future first for AP. That's how we got CP. Although, Champ was a STUD.

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[quote=GMScud;553026]I think Betts is totally expendable, but he doesn't suck. I'd actually like to see him get more carries this year for the sake of Clinton's health. Hopefully Alridge or Dorsey will make the team and we can use their speed out of the backfield occasionally.

I think the 2010 offseason will definitely involve either using a 1st day pick on a RB, or making a move for a very good free agent. With the pounding CP has taken since coming here, I can't see how he can play more than another year or two as a top tier RB. I hope I'm wrong.

Does anyone have a list of RBs who will be free agents next offseason? I suppose the whole CBA/uncapped season thing will have a lot to do with it.[/quote]

I get the feeling CP 1) eat, sleeps and breaths the game and while he can be a little prima i don't think you could find a guy more dedicated to the game 2) he takes extremely good card of himself year round 3) he almost constantly, from what I can tell, adjusts his running style to protect his body and therefor extend his playing days. He became a bruiser in our system cuz we didn't give him the blocking he had in Denver as a slasher. If we do the right things along the line I think CP can continue to adjust his style and extend his career well into the future...that's what I hope to see.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;552987][B]Yes[/B]. He had one good year. That's it.[/quote]

It wasnt even a full season.

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[quote=Nflnick11;552781]He also fumbles during key times of the game....Seattle this year...st. Louis the year we lost portis for the year[/quote]

Dude.
Every RB/FB fumbles.
From Afrian Peterson to Portis.
Portis fumbled in the Browns game.
Portis fumbled in the Ravens game.
Does Portis have a fumbling issue?

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[quote=30gut;553077]Dude.
Every RB/FB fumbles.
From Afrian Peterson to Portis.
Portis fumbled in the Browns game.
Portis fumbled in the Ravens game.
Does Portis have a fumbling issue?[/quote]
The fumble:carry ratio for Betts is way higher than you'd want from a back you'd count on for any length of time. Portis is nowhere close in that ratio.

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[quote=Mattyk72;552976]People want to write off Rock every year it seems. He's a good special teams guy and that's why he sticks. I don't see his job being in serious jeopardy this year.[/quote]
The Rock is like Rudy.....just keeps comin'
Perhaps a little more telented, but a good dude to have around

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I like how this thread has a thumbs down just because of the question haha

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[quote=Paintrain;553119]The fumble:carry ratio for Betts is way higher than you'd want from a back you'd count on for any length of time. Portis is nowhere close in that ratio.[/quote]

It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.

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[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]

Good stuff Matty...muchas gracias.

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[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]
You and your damn stats and math. Nobody likes a smarty pants. :spank:

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Betts has been around a while and has never broken through. He filled in for clinton and played his ass off in a contract year. He should've been traded after that and we could have got good value for him. Not now though.

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He would be expendable if the Skins drafted properly...but they didn't...so...we need him

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[quote=skinsnut;553280]He would be expendable if the Skins drafted properly...but they didn't...so...we need him[/quote]

Who didn't we draft and where that you would have replaced him with? I'm not a big Betts fan, but just curious.

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[quote=skinsnut;553280]He would be expendable if the Skins drafted properly...but they didn't...so...we need him[/quote]

So if the Skins had drafted a RB in the 3rd round, you would be sending Betts packing? Otherwise you're telling me that you would have been willing to take Knowshon or Wells at #13. How would you have drafted "properly" that right now at this instant you'd be willing to get rid of Ladell Betts.

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The NFL is clearly moving away from the 1 back system. While portis is great, he can't withstand the punishment of an entire NFL season as 25+ carry per game back and still function at the level he's accustomed. Not only do we need a capable backup, we need an explosive robin to Portis' batman. I guess what I'm saying is not only is Betts not expendable, we should be looking for an explosive upgrade.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;553901]The NFL is clearly moving away from the 1 back system. While portis is great, he can't withstand the punishment of an entire NFL season as 25+ carry per game back and still function at the level he's accustomed. Not only do we need a capable backup, we need an explosive robin to Portis' batman. I guess what I'm saying is not only is Betts not expendable, we should be looking for an explosive upgrade.[/quote]

Well put. I agree.

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Ladell is only expendable...once we acquire a suitable replacement.

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[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]

So Betts fumbles at a rate 20% higher than Portis. I may be in the minority, but to me that looks like you just made the point that Betts is a significant downgrade to Portis in that respect. And, the NFL average for 2007 is about 1 per 91 carries (just like CP!)

To put it another way, we can expect Betts to fumble once every 3 games and expect Portis to fumble once ever 4 games (if they have equal carries). If they were equal runners, and I don't think Betts is as good as Portis, Betts statistically could costs us 1 more loss a year than Portis because of fumbles.

I like Betts, but it seems clear that he needs to tighten up the fumble issue. But, that's just me.

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[quote=GoSkins!;553936]So Betts fumbles at a rate 20% higher than Portis. I may be in the minority, but to me that looks like you just made the point that Betts is a significant downgrade to Portis in that respect. And, the NFL average for 2007 is about 1 per 91 carries (just like CP!)

To put it another way, we can expect Betts to fumble once every 3 games and expect Portis to fumble once ever 4 games (if they have equal carries). If they were equal runners, and I don't think Betts is as good as Portis, Betts statistically could costs us 1 more loss a year than Portis because of fumbles.

I like Betts, but it seems clear that he needs to tighten up the fumble issue. But, that's just me.[/quote]

He's had 2 fumbles the last 2 seasons after those 6 in 2006. Seems like he tightened it up to me.

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We all know Portis is the man. Unless he gets hurt.

Betts is a great second stringer. Yes, he filled in admirably while Portis was hurt which is why I would keep him and he has the ability to be utilized as a KR/PR. Unless we find someone else who is as good or better he's on the team.

I totally agree with those of you who keep saying Rock is a leader. No question. I totally agree with those who say Rock is one of the best special teamers. No question. The only issue I have is the fact he is not that great of a RB. The question I pose is if we could find someone else who can do KR and PR as good or better then Rock can we let him go? There is no questoin he's not a great leader, but we have leaders all over the field including special teams. If anyone was expendable in the RB position I would think it would be Rock only cause he is 3rd string, and only performs one job admirably and that being a KR. He does not even do the PR duties.

If the team wanted a slasher/scat back then I would hope it is one of the two Aldridge or Dorsey to take over the 3rd stringer position. Then the team can play Portis, when he gets tired put Betts in, and if they need a change of pace put Aldridge or Dorsey in whoever wins the spot.

Somewhere in there I would like to find a young RB for the future to groom to replace Portis and Betts. Now "IF" Mason should happen to step up and play better then Betts then keep Mason. I doubt that will happen as much of a Mason fan as I am. If they could find another RB who is younger to start to groom then fine. I remember recently the majority of you guys wanted the team to get younger. Now no one is expendable.

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[quote=Mattyk72;553130]It's not as bad as you may think.

Betts fumbles once every 73 touches.

Portis fumbles once every 91 touches.

Some other notables:

Adrian Peterson fumbles once every 49 touches. (now this is a fumbling problem)

Edgerrin James fumbles once every 79 touches.[/quote]

The thing with Betts is... he just seems to fumble at the worst god damn times in games. I can think of 3 times right off the top of my head where it cost us or could have cost us a game. This year vs Seattle, we were running out the clock, two mintues to go... fumble...

2007 vs Philadelphia, we had all the momentum in the world... Betts fumbled.

2006 vs St. Louis ... Granted, this game meant sh*t at the time cause we were way out of it, but right at the end of the game he fubmled, they came down scored, won in OT.

2006, it was at the begining of the game, again another meaningless one, agsint the Giatns to end the season, we were rolling down the field to start the game... Fumble, Giants return it almost the distance.

Thats right off the top of my head too... I mean I like Betts, I dont want to see him go... but the fumbling kills me, because it just happens at the worst times... in addition, I think him and Portis are far to similar. I want to see a change of pace back, which I dont think Betts provides.

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Is there ever a good time to fumble?

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[quote=Mattyk72;554109]Is there ever a good time to fumble?[/quote]

On the one yard line, the football can roll under the defenders feet and your teammate picks that sucker up for a touchdown. Ahhhh-haaaa!

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Anybody is replaceable..and the rb market is a thick one.

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[quote=Mattyk72;554109]Is there ever a good time to fumble?[/quote]

I'm sure that Betts tells himself, "Now is a good time to fumble. No one will mind..." :)