Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Paintrain;553659]I'd rather see an overall 'offseason' ranking.. I'm pretty sure it would look like:
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Giants
4. Cowboys[/quote]

1. Giants
2. Redskins
3. Eagles (only because of draft)
4. Cowboys

The Eagles pretty much dismantled their team early in the offseason; they lost a ton of key players. They were veteran players, but big losses...Dawkins, Sheppard, Greg Lewis, Buckhalter (who is key because Westbrook is so injury prone every year) and a few others. Runyan is about finished, old and just had knee surgery...no other teams wanted him. McNabb is never happy.

They added Jason Peters, a big signing like ours of Dockery. Hobbs replaces Lito Shep. Macklin is an upgrade over Lewis. They had no comparable replacement for Dawkins.

So, the Eagles basically made some replacements for losses with no major upgrades and a hole at the safety position. How is that a successful offseason?

The Giants made huge additions, mainly on defense. They lost one of their 3-headed RB monster, which really shouldn't hurt them. They had some cancer cut out too with the departure (jailing) of Burress.

We made major upgrades and additions too, so our draft was not as important as it would be to a team like the Eagles who were just trying to fill a ton of holes and try to simply get back to where they started before the off-season losses. Haynesworth, Dockery and keeping Hall were huge. The addition of Orakpo will fill a need we've had for years and didn't work with the Jason Taylor signing. We also picked up a potential starting CB in the future without losing one.

Dallas lost a lot of talented players, albeit not the greatest for locker room presence. Horsecollar Williams, Tank Johnson, Terrell Owens, Chris Canty, Pac Man Jones, Anthony Henry, Zach Thomas. They only added [COLOR=black]Olshansky and Brooking with a few other non-impact players and Jon Kitna, who they should probably play in December. [/COLOR]Their draft was a disaster, from trading their higher picks to taking a second kicker to use only on kickoffs and as a tackling dummy...wasting a roster spot.


Sure the Giants' praise is warranted, but I can't understand the credit the Eagles are being given. They merely made some replacements, not really upgrades with the exception of the WR position. They're no better than last season, possibly slightly downgraded.

The Division should finish:

NJ Giants
Skins
...
...
Philthydelphia/Dallass

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Giantone;553921]Why ,will he be playing both ways?[/quote]

No, Albert H. won't be playing both ways, but his presence should make our defense even better. Just like how the Giants signing 10 defensive linemen should (I know it's not 10) bolster its already potent defense, instead of the team addressing the loss of Plax (well they sort of did with Hakeem Nicks, but they didn't get Edwards or Boldin).

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Giantone;553921]Why ,will he be playing both ways?[/quote]

Yes. He will play center on goal line plays with Campbell, Sellers, and Portis lined up behind him.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=53Fan;553960]Yes. He will play center on goal line plays with Campbell, Sellers, and Portis lined up behind him.[/quote]

He can also kick and punt. LOL.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

I hate to show love for another organization but please read what the Eagles did in this years draft by trading down. Wow.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/03/eagles/index.html?eref=T1]Brett Favre, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, more NFL - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

From the above article...

What Heckert and Reid did, in brief:

• Traded the 85th overall pick (third round) to the Giants for the 91st (third-round) and the 164th (fifth-round) picks.

• Traded the 91st pick to Seattle for the 137th (fifth-round), 213th (seventh-round) and the Seahawks' third-round pick in 2010.

• Traded the fifth-round pick acquired from Seattle plus the 141st pick (fifth-round, acquired from Cleveland) to New England for cornerback Hobbs.

• Traded the fifth-round pick acquired from the Giants to New Orleans for the 222nd pick (seventh-round), plus the Saints' fifth-round pick in 2010.

• Traded the seventh-round pick acquired from New Orleans to Indianapolis for the Colts' sixth-round pick in 2010.

• Used the seventh-round pick acquired from Seattle to pick guard Paul Fanaika.

So they also got a 3rd, 5th, and a 6th rounder next year. Pretty smart thinking imo.

Now if they would have spent a couple $'s every now and again, they would have most likely won a SB by now. I'm glad they don't.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

Again, like I mentioned, saying the Eagles got enough in this draft to trade for a lot of picks in next years draft requires the belief that Maclin fills a need and will be a great player. And then, whatever your opinion is of Maclin, grade the Giants fairly based on the fact that they didn't get him.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Schneed10;553618]And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.[/quote]
~~~~~~~
So true! Heath Shuler anyone?!

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

Sooooooo..the Iggles are starting to win the offseason now. Is that correct?

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

Yeah, but when they do it their FO is da bomb, when we do it the FO is beyond redemption.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;554728]Yeah, but when they do it their FO is da bomb, when we do it the FO is beyond redemption.[/quote]

How true. Now they can put their offseason trophy next to their Super Bowl Tro..........never mind.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=TheSmurfs22;554715]~~~~~~~
So true! Heath Shuler anyone?![/quote]

Heath Shuler was such a great quarterback that they named a candy bar after him. :)

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Lotus;554743]Heath Shuler was such a great quarterback that they named a candy bar after him. :)[/quote]

There's a Shuler bar? Never heard of it.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=53Fan;554749]There's a Shuler bar? Never heard of it.[/quote]

Yes. It is stuffed with nuts and has a marshmallow arm.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Lotus;554751]Yes. It is stuffed with nuts and has a marshmallow arm.[/quote]

:laughing- I was actually excited about drafting him. :doh:

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=redsk1;553616]Both had a good draft.

Philly: Maclin, McCoy (who is going to be good), Harris (all acc corner)

NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who will also be a solid to very good pro), Beatty (an OL 6'6" who slipped, and Barden (6'6" WR who scored a crapload of TD's in college)

Both have multiple impact and role players. The Eagles also got return specialist Ellis Hobbs in a trade, not bad.

So, I can understand the love a little. We got 1 impact player and a hopeful.[/quote]

Who's the hopeful?

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=53Fan;554756]:laughing- I was actually excited about drafting him. :doh:[/quote]

So was I buddy.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Lotus;554796]So was I buddy.[/quote]

We all were. :pffff:

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=Lotus;554751]Yes. It is stuffed with nuts and has a marshmallow arm.[/quote]

:food-smilLOL............man this is a tuff crowd!:goodjob:

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=redsk1;554683]From the above article...

What Heckert and Reid did, in brief:

• Traded the 85th overall pick (third round) to the Giants for the 91st (third-round) and the 164th (fifth-round) picks.

• Traded the 91st pick to Seattle for the 137th (fifth-round), 213th (seventh-round) and the Seahawks' third-round pick in 2010.

• Traded the fifth-round pick acquired from Seattle plus the 141st pick (fifth-round, acquired from Cleveland) to New England for cornerback Hobbs.

• Traded the fifth-round pick acquired from the Giants to New Orleans for the 222nd pick (seventh-round), plus the Saints' fifth-round pick in 2010.

• Traded the seventh-round pick acquired from New Orleans to Indianapolis for the Colts' sixth-round pick in 2010.

• Used the seventh-round pick acquired from Seattle to pick guard Paul Fanaika.

So they also got a 3rd, 5th, and a 6th rounder next year. Pretty smart thinking imo.

Now if they would have spent a couple $'s every now and again, they would have most likely won a SB by now. I'm glad they don't.[/quote]

Not to mention they'll likely recieve a 2nd rd pick from the Jets for Lito(which he should play a lot for them).
2-2nds
2-3rds
2-5th
2-6ths

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

Hey they can say all they want about them, but I think that we are the most improved team in the NFC East. Yeah, the Eagles did good, They still had very little net gain, except for the reciever that they drafted. Runyan, for Andrews is a net loss although they got younger. Peters for Thomas is maybe a slight gian, and agian got younger. The Giants made thier D-Line better, but they cant get everyone on the field and they were already very strong. We have improved our defense immensley, I also think we have improved our O-line and reciever corps. Our only question will be JC. If he does great our offense will do great. He has all the tools, to work with.

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

Gosh! Do you think the Iggles will win another Super Bowl?! Oh yeah....nevermind. :pffff:

Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;557948]Hey they can say all they want about them, but I think that we are the most improved team in the NFC East. Yeah, the Eagles did good, They still had very little net gain, except for the reciever that they drafted. Runyan, for Andrews is a net loss although they got younger. Peters for Thomas is maybe a slight gian, and agian got younger. The Giants made thier D-Line better, but they cant get everyone on the field and they were already very strong. We have improved our defense immensley, I also think we have improved our O-line and reciever corps. Our only question will be JC. If he does great our offense will do great. He has all the tools, to work with.[/quote]

The thread was about the Eagles draft which was excellent. They got talent this year and they got some new picks next year. Very, very good.

Now, we could be the most improved w/ the additions of AH, Dock, Orapko. Who knows though. Our Oline isn't exactly getting younger either. It's going to come down to JC and if any of our WR's can make some plays.