re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Hackett has talent he just needs to stay healthy.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I told you guys I was worried about Kelly and it sounds like the Skins are also. Bringing in all these WR's in case he has another set back.

I guess I don't have a problem with Hacket or Washington its just I really wanted Thomas and Kelly to shine. I was also interested in our 7th round WR Marko Mitchell, it sounded like he had a few good catch's over the weekend and Keith Elio who seemed to have a couple of nice catch's over the weekend also. All in all I guess I was hoping we would start getting younger and taller at that position.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I just hope is that if Malcom Kelly is not 100% on by the time we have to form our 53-man roster, we go ahead and IR him. I think Devin Thomas is going to have a breakout year along side Tana and ARE will move to his natural #3 position. That leaves two roster spots open and atleast one, if not two of those spots need to be solid special teams contributors. We can't allow Kelly to waste a roster spot all year again. If he's not 100% healthy during the preseason, we need to IR him and sign the best two of Hackett, Washington, Shelton, and Mitchell.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;554352]The biggest thing I DON'T want is time going away from Kelly and Thomas. Yes, I want to win now, but we HAVE TO LET THEM DEVELOP.[/quote]


Don't worry their hamstrings will take plenty of time away from their development.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Unbelievable. A week ago everyone whined about how we didn't draft more for the offense.

Now we bring in many bodies to improve the offense and everyone has given Malcolm Kelly up for dead.

The FO just can't win.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Kelly wasn't supposed to participate in this mini camp anyway. Nothing has changed in that regard and bringing in camp bodies is not a signal that they are worried about Kelly. I know it's been a while since we've had any real news but man, people need to chill.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

^I'll stay worried until someone can explain his issue better. Have there been any WR's that have the same issue he does; ie, degenreative knee disease, that have gone on to have successfull careers? and if I may ask....whome. I'm not trying to be an idiot just wondering how bad his issue is and can he play. Will he have soreness all the time or swelling? Will he end up sitting out games due to swelling and are we prepared to fill that spot if he's out?

If all these questions are a moot point then fine. Heal up Kelly and bring it so we can have another weapon. If these questions are serious concerns then this preseason is going to be his make or break it season I would guess. If he has to sit out too much I can see the team cutting their losses. Which may be why they are bringing in other WR's not only to try out but in case Kelly can't get his knees healthy enough to be a starter. Either way I'm glad they got some other warm bodies until he heals completely cause they need people to throw to.

Having said all that I guess I was looking for a new Rook to rally behind and it was either going to be Marco Mitchell or Keith Elio or both if they could make the team....now we picked up Washington and Hacket. I guess I would rather have someone who could step in immediatly and be a threat though.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Would it be better to play Kelly and Thomas and take the chance of turning minor injuries into major ones? In May?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Kellen Winslow had microfracture surgery prior to the 2007 season and went on to post 82/1106/5.

Reggie Bush underwent microfracture surgery back in January.

Kelly's procedure wasn't as extensive as they thought it would need to be.

[quote]Wide receiver Malcolm Kelly said he plans to be fully cleared to participate in June's organized team activities and was relieved that his latest knee surgery was not as extensive as first thought. Kelly, who had a history of knee issues in college and as a rookie last year, underwent microfracture surgery in February, with doctors having to do less repair work than they'd anticipated.

"They thought they were going to have to microfracture the whole thing," Kelly said. "But when they went in they found it had healed up a lot more than they thought, so they just had to microfracture a little part. And I actually had a little bone that they shaved down a little bit, and that really helped out a lot of the stuff. When they went and did that and finally fixed it instead of just trying to clean it up, like the first time, it helped out a whole lot."

A procedure that would have involved his entire knee would have put him months behind where he is now. "When you have to do the whole knee there's a bigger risk," Kelly said.

Kelly is doing drills on a side field during minicamp, but said he is optimistic that his knee problems are behind him. Kelly's knee routinely swelled up throughout last season and he was unable to practice for more than a few weeks at a time. Kelly said his flexibility is better than ever.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/malcolm-kelly-had-microfractur.html]Redskins Insider - Kelly Recovering from Microfracture Surgery[/url][/quote]

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;554603]Kellen Winslow had microfracture surgery prior to the 2007 season and went on to post 82/1106/5.

Reggie Bush underwent microfracture surgery back in January.

Kelly's procedure wasn't as extensive as they thought it would need to be.[/quote]

Can anyone answer this? What level of medical talent do top college prospects get. I mean when professional teams look into the medical records are they making an assumption that more can be done for pros than at the college level? Is that a true assumption? I would think so, money wise, and I know Kelly has said several times that he learned a LOT about the muscle and knee structure once he got to Redskins Park.
Just curious about it. Thanks all

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=GMScud;554388]I actually think Hackett has the better shot to be a contributor in 2009. Not sure how he is on special teams, but the combination of his size and experience with Zorn/WCO sets up a nice hedge in case the struggles continue for Kelly and Thomas. He could turn into a solid possession receiver for us potentially.

Last year around this time I was all for signing Hackett, as were a bunch of folks here.[/quote]

Good point... but with a past With Zorn and this offense could help the younger receivers as well. I remember a year or so ago all on this web site were hot and bothered about trying to get Hackett in free agency... It would of been expensive!

Now we get a useful WR in an offense he knows at a good price. Good move as of right now. He has not lit up the league like some thought but could be productive in this system and help the [B]young wonder twins (kelly, Thomas)[/B]
You know like " [I][B]I [U]wonder[/U] when these two guys will start producing...[/B][/I]"

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Who we have a WR so far:

Moss @ 5ft-10in
ARE @ 5ft-10in
Thrash @ 6ft-0in
Kelly @ 6ft-4in
Thomas @ 6ft-2in
Hacket @ 6ft-2in
Shelton @ 6ft-0in
Washington @ 6ft-3in
Hagans @ 5ft-10in
Halman @ 6ft-3in
Mitchell @ 6ft-3in
J.Williams @ 6ft-5in
Elio @ 6ft-1in
Breaux @ 6ft-6in
R.Williams @ 6ft-0in

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=SBXVII;554654]Who we have a WR so far:

Moss @ 5ft-10in
ARE @ 5ft-10in
Thrash @ 6ft-0in
Kelly @ 6ft-4in
Thomas @ 6ft-2in
Hacket @ 6ft-2in
Shelton @ 6ft-0in
[B]Washington @ ?[/B]Hagans @ 5ft-10in
Halman @ 6ft-3in
Mitchell @ 6ft-3in
Williams @ 6ft-5in
[B]Elio @ ?[/B]
[B]Breaux @ ? supposedly the tallest[/B].[/quote]

Washington is 6'3, Breaux is 6'6, and Elio is 6'1

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

^ Thanks bro. I fixed it. Not only do we have Jaison Williams as I listed him above we just signed Roydell Williams along with Shelton. Roydell Williams played with the Titans previously:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Add_Williams__Shelton_to_Wide_Receivers_35114.jsp]News & Notes: Redskins Sign Williams, Shelton[/url]


I guess they are definitly making an effort to upgrade the WR position.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=SBXVII;554667]^ Thanks bro. I fixed it. Not only do we have Jaison Williams as I listed him above we just signed Roydell Williams along with Shelton. Roydell Williams played with the Titans previously:

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Add_Williams__Shelton_to_Wide_Receivers_35114.jsp"]News & Notes: Redskins Sign Williams, Shelton[/URL]


I guess they are definitly making an effort to upgrade the WR position.[/quote]

3 Cheers for the FO, its about time they started being pro active and not reactive. No need to wait for the two 2nd rounder to stink up another season. We painted ourselves into a corner last yr, they have learned from that mistake

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Wow. I hope Roydell Williams or DJ Hackett can make the squad. They are not the flashiest option but they can be solid #2 or #3 wrs. I like the effort to upgrade our passing game.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=Hamoskinz;554671]Wow. I hope Roydell Williams or DJ Hackett can make the squad. They are not the flashiest option but they can be solid #2 or #3 wrs. I like the effort to upgrade our passing game.[/quote]

I agree. It is very smart to not count on the draft picks and Thrash as starters/depth. None of them should be looked at as a contributor at this time.

I am wondering how close they are to giving up on Kelly. Does he even deserve a roster spot if this thing lingers into August and September?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=SBXVII;554654]Who we have a WR so far:

Moss @ 5ft-10in
ARE @ 5ft-10in
Thrash @ 6ft-0in
Kelly @ 6ft-4in
Thomas @ 6ft-2in
Hacket @ 6ft-2in
Shelton @ 6ft-0in
Washington @ 6ft-3in
Hagans @ 5ft-10in
Halman @ 6ft-3in
Mitchell @ 6ft-3in
J.Williams @ 6ft-5in
Elio @ 6ft-1in
Breaux @ 6ft-6in
R.Williams @ 6ft-0in[/quote]

Do we have Hackett?

I thought he was still waiting for a better contract from someone. I heard we offered a contract but it hadn't been signed yet.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

please don't tell me we are back to the skins receivers aren't tall enough argument?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;554678][B]Do we have Hackett?[/B]

I thought he was still waiting for a better contract from someone. I heard we offered a contract but it hadn't been signed yet.[/quote]

Not at this time. I do hope these moves today shore up the WR needs, Hackett had some family issues? Washington is looking into all his options, for now.

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/may/04/washingtonhackett-update/]Washington/Hackett update - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Looks like we just signed Roydell Williams. Maybe Zorn is gonna try a 5 wide out offense this year?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=NYCSkin;554686]Looks like we just signed Roydell Williams. Maybe Zorn is gonna try a 5 wide out offense this year?[/quote]

What happened to him last year? Didn't he have a bad injury that kept him out all season?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

He broke his ankle and the end of the 2007 season. Titans drafted Kenny Britt so I guess Williams became expendable...

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Roydell had good games (2-3 games I can remamber) in 2007 when Young was the QB and would have been even better passing stats if Vince Young hadn't run so often. I am confident though that our young rookies will step and compete with Roydell and Hackett instead of seeing this move as giving up on Kelly &/or Thomas.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I wonder how much Sherman Smith pushed for this signing, he must know him from their days together in Tennessee right?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I wonder if we can bring all these guys in because we are the first to have veterans into camp and other teams will try and have them in and sign them also. It just seems weird that we seem to be the only ones who are getting all of these solid veterans come in.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

Roydell Williams is a pretty inspired signing. Even if he doesn't end up making the team, I like the direction that this is going in.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I wanna see if Malcolm Kelly can step up..Injured or not now is the time

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;554347]With all the pulled hamstrings at the WR position.....again? I like the move to add veteran depth at the receiver position.

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason La Canfora[/url]

Posted at 12:04 PM ET, 05/ 3/2009 [B]Skins Offer Deals to Washington, Hackett (Updated)[/B]

The Redskins have offered contracts to veteran free agent wide receivers Kelley Washington and D.J. Hackett, who participated in minicamp this weekend, a league source said. Washington is expected to decide on the Redskins' offer after visiting the Baltimore Ravens this week. Hackett was expected to take a physical this afternoon and planned to sign with the team today, a league source said.[/quote]

Hackett and Washington Deals offered, but not accepted yet!

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/may/04/washingtonhackett-update/]Washington/Hackett update - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

These guys must be fishing for bigger contracts or something.

If you're out of work, and someone offers, I cannot understand not accepting!

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=DoggDayAfternoon;554719]I wanna see if Malcolm Kelly can step up..[B]Injured or not now is the time[/B][/quote]

Yes! Injured or not! Get your ass out there and play ball! :doh: My head is starting to hurt real bad.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=backrow;554723]Hackett and Washington Deals offered, but not accepted yet!

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/may/04/washingtonhackett-update/]Washington/Hackett update - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

These guys must be fishing for bigger contracts or something.

If you're out of work, and someone offers, I cannot understand not accepting![/quote]

Because I'm sure they will get vet min offers from other teams, so why not wait a little and see if they can get a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND more? I completely see why they are waiting.
Look at it from their perspective. If you KNEW you would sign on with a company before August (say at 50k a year), but knew other companies were "interested" at the same level of pay, and possibly more, wouldn't you take that shot too? What if another company offers the same position, but for 60k, or 70k? Which one will you take?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=jsarno;554726]Because I'm sure they will get vet min offers from other teams, so why not wait a little and see if they can get a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND more? I completely see why they are waiting.
Look at it from their perspective. If you KNEW you would sign on with a company before August (say at 50k a year), but knew other companies were "interested" at the same level of pay, and possibly more, wouldn't you take that shot too? What if another company offers the same position, but for 60k, or 70k? Which one will you take?[/quote]

Yes. I'll bet they are considering playing time, too. If they are offered vet min everywhere, they'll take the shot which they think offers them the best opportunity to play.

I think it is good. If we were signing guys that no one else wanted, that might be a problem.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I change my position how is this an upgrade

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=53Fan;554724]Yes! Injured or not! Get your ass out there and play ball! :doh: My head is starting to hurt real bad.[/quote]

Seriously. Some of the worst posts I've read around here in a while.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=DoggDayAfternoon;554719]I wanna see if Malcolm Kelly can step up..Injured or not now is the time[/quote]

Were you the guy that told Merriman to keep on playing after he blew out his knee?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=DoggDayAfternoon;554770]I change my position how is this an upgrade[/quote]

Well let's see. Thomas is hurt. Kelly may not see the field for the second year in a row, Randle-El is a marginal #3, Thrash shouldn't be on the roster, I don't even know the name of the other guy who just signed and Hackett and Washington aren't on the roster.

Unless you are calling for that white guy who dropped everything for a couple of pre-seasons how is it not an upgrade?

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=GMScud;554466]Regardless of who we sign, I don't like the fact that Kelly is still rehabbing a bad knee and the same hammy that bothered Devin Thomas last year is already acting up. I want our 2nd year receivers to work out a helluva lot more than I want Hackett on this team.[/quote]

They both need to grow a pair and step up. Now I know why we trade our 2nd round picks every year.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=dmek25;554681]please don't tell me we are back to the skins receivers aren't tall enough argument?[/quote]

O.k. how about they aren't good enough or they don't produce enough or they aren't healthy enough. Maybe not super smart enough or core Redskin enough?

Take your pick.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

I do like what we're seeing here...fishing for WRs looking to prove themselves, make a comeback and whatnot. I figure this is pure Zorn and it's encouraging. Still, i think so much rests on DT, though it's understandable there's differing opinions on his potential and what makes for reasonable expectations. Devin is athletic like Moss but possesses superior physical gifts...what he needs to develop are the intangibles like route running and creating separation on gameday. Oh yeah, good hands lol...it's easy to forget all our WR need to work on catching the ball. But seriously, Devin is my candidate for exciting breakout player of the year of offense.

re: Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)
 

[quote=The Goat;554797]I do like what we're seeing here...fishing for WRs looking to prove themselves, make a comeback and whatnot. I figure this is pure Zorn and it's encouraging. Still, i think so much rests on DT, though it's understandable there's differing opinions on his potential and what makes for reasonable expectations. Devin is athletic like Moss but possesses superior physical gifts...what he needs to develop are the intangibles like route running and creating separation on gameday. Oh yeah, good hands lol...it's easy to forget all our WR need to work on catching the ball. But seriously, Devin is my candidate for exciting breakout player of the year of offense.[/quote]

Me too. I have already been (prematurely) imagining DT taking it to the house again and again.