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QB - Wayne Grezky
RB - Alexander Ovechkin WR - Michael Jordan WR - LeTravel TE - Shaq In all seriousness QB - Johnny Unitas RB - Walter Peyton WR - Jerry Rice WR - Steve Largent TE - Shanon Sharpe |
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[U]1st team[/U]
Sammy Baugh John Riggins Frank Wycheck Art Monk Micheal Westbrook [U] 2nd team[/U] Joe Thiesman Stephen Davis Chris Cooley Gary Clark |
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Just to be contrarian, guys I definitely wouldn't want... QB- Elway RB - Sanders WR - Moss WR - Owens TE - Bavaro[/quote] LOL................and I wouldn't want Beckham(sp) on my team. |
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[quote=diehard;556448][U]1st team[/U]
Sammy Baugh John Riggins Frank Wycheck Art Monk Micheal Westbrook [U] 2nd team[/U] Joe Thiesman Stephen Davis Chris Cooley Gary Clark[/quote] How dare you put Westbroke in the same grouping with those others. You should be banned and forced to watch 30 hours of ESPN fawning over Tony Romo as a pentaly! :-) |
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Farve.
Sweetness. Gary Clark. Larry Fitzgerald. Chaos, Captain. That would be a fun team to watch! |
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[quote=T.O.Killa;556243]Joe Thiesman
John Riggins Chris Cooley Art Monk Gary Clark[/quote] Plug Don Warren in the TE slot and your list is perfect. 12-14 years...blocked for Riggins...gotta give him props. Not hating on Cooley, but he still has a few years to earn a spot on your list of legends. |
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[quote=davy;556406]
Just to be contrarian, guys I definitely wouldn't want... QB- Elway RB - Sanders WR - Moss WR - Owens TE - Bavaro[/quote] I actually agree with Elway, hes overrated in my opinion. I also agree with Owens due purely to his off the field issues, and Bavaro..well, just cause he's a giant! But Sanders??? Moss???? (unless you're talking about Santana, cause Randy is a freak of nature) |
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[quote=Mattyk72;556200]QB: Dan Marino
RB: Walter Payton WR: Jerry Rice WR: Randy Moss TE: Mark Bavaro[/quote] I hate the GIANTS , but Bavaro was a beast , I would have loved for him be wear the B&G . |
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QB : Marino , RB Payton , violent runner , great receiver , blocked and could throw , Rice , Monk , Bavaro . Could have gone ,,,QB Elway , Montana ,RB's E. Cambell - Sanders , wr's Swann < J Jefferson , Chargers > TE Ditka - Sharpe
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to me, Lynn Swann is the single most over rated wide receiver of all time. made the hall on what he did in one super bowl game. without looking, i would be willing to bet Gary Clark's career stats are better
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[quote=jsarno;556476]I actually agree with Elway, hes overrated in my opinion. I also agree with Owens due purely to his off the field issues, and Bavaro..well, just cause he's a giant! But Sanders??? Moss???? (unless you're talking about Santana, cause Randy is a freak of nature)[/quote]
You got my reasons for not wanting Elway, Owens and Bavaro spot on. Randy Moss is excluded because, although he has immense talent I want a guy who plays hard every down. Barry Sanders was much the same, incredible talent but only made full use of it for one season. |
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QB: Montana
Best QB in the years I've been watching football. All around nice guy. RB: E. Smith As much as I hate the Cowboys, Emmitt dominated the league in the mid-90s. WR1: Monk One of my favorite Redskins. It's a shame that today's young wideouts don't follow his character. WR2: Rice He was a monster at the WR position. TE: T. Gonzalez In the mid/late 90s when the Chiefs were playoff contenders every year, Tony was a powerful offensive weapon. |
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[quote=Lotus;556346]Welcome to the Warpath, Orakpo.
Tell Blache to play you with your hand in the dirt. :)[/quote] Thanks dude. Hopefully Orakpo will soon enough be a 3 down DE for us. I dont like him at OLB. IMO hes a 4-3 end and nothing more. He can gets snaps at OLB and fill a void but I dont think he will be special at OLB. As long as they play him at end on third downs I dont have a big problem with it but id like Orakpo to get as many snaps at DE as possible. Honestly I wish they would move Carter to LDE and put Orakpo at the RDE spot. It will never happen though. |
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[quote=dmek25;556510]to me, Lynn Swann is the single most over rated wide receiver of all time. made the hall on what he did in one super bowl game. without looking, i would be willing to bet Gary Clark's career stats are better[/quote]
Right you are. [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarGa00.htm"]Gary Clark's[/URL] stats are not only better, they are WAY better than [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm"]Lynn Swann's[/URL]. Clark has more than twice the receptions (699 - 336), and finished with 14 more touchdowns. Lynn Swann never had more than 61 catches in a season, and never more than 880 yards. Plus he retired at age 30. How the heck did he make the Hall of Fame?? |
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[quote=GMScud;556552]Right you are. [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarGa00.htm"]Gary Clark's[/URL] stats are not only better, they are WAY better than [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm"]Lynn Swann's[/URL]. Clark has more than twice the receptions (699 - 336), and finished with 14 more touchdowns. Lynn Swann never had more than 61 catches in a season, and never more than 880 yards. Plus he retired at age 30. How the heck did he make the Hall of Fame??[/quote]
Yet it took Art Monk forever to get in and Gary Clark may never get in. Is it any wonder some fans think there is a bias against the Redskins? |
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[quote=davy;556512]You got my reasons for not wanting Elway, Owens and Bavaro spot on.[/quote]
Gotcha [quote]Randy Moss is excluded because, although he has immense talent I want a guy who plays hard every down.[/quote] Totally understand, I chose the guys I did because they are stand up class acts...Moss doesn't fit that bill. [quote]Barry Sanders was much the same, incredible talent but only made full use of it for one season.[/quote] This is where I am not understanding at all. How did he only make full use of his talent for 1 season? This is a guy that led the league in rushing 4 times! His career low in rushing was 1115 and that was in only 11 games! His 2nd career low was 1304, and he led the league with that! He led the league in TDs 2 years! Had 10 or more TDs in a season 7 times! He played 10 years and had 109 tds! Thats an average of almost 11 a season. He's had over 1500 yards rushing 5 times! Over 1800 2 times! Of course over 2000 1 time! Not to mention the fact that he was amazingly classy! So I am totally failing to see your point here. [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandBa00.htm]Barry Sanders Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] |
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[quote=daseal;556199]qb: Marino
rb: Barry sanders. Hands down. Te: Tony gonzalez wr: Jerry rice wr: [b]michael irvin???????[/b][/quote] wtf? |
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Steve Young- Most accurate and the greatest run/pass threat IMO
Marshall Faulk- Best all around back ever, Runner/Pass catcher/Pass Blocker Sharpe- (Toss up) Because he dressed up as Austin Powers for Halloween Jerry Rice- Best Short Pass = Long run WR ever Randy Moss- The best Deep Threat/ Jump Ball WR ever |
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[quote=Angry;556587]Steve Young- Most accurate and the greatest run/pass threat IMO
Marshall Faulk- Best all around back ever, Runner/Pass catcher/Pass Blocker Sharpe- (Toss up) Because he dressed up as Austin Powers for Halloween Jerry Rice- Best Short Pass = Long run WR ever Randy Moss- The best Deep Threat/ Jump Ball WR ever[/quote] I like my team but the players you build for yours are very nice. Young is very underrated imo. People dont realize how good he was. I also really like the Faulk pick. Faulk is another guy who people wouldnt think about compared to other top backs but he had all the tools. Your team would score alot of points. [quote=jsarno;556575] This is where I am not understanding at all. How did he only make full use of his talent for 1 season? This is a guy that led the league in rushing 4 times! His career low in rushing was 1115 and that was in only 11 games! His 2nd career low was 1304, and he led the league with that! He led the league in TDs 2 years! Had 10 or more TDs in a season 7 times! He played 10 years and had 109 tds! Thats an average of almost 11 a season. He's had over 1500 yards rushing 5 times! Over 1800 2 times! Of course over 2000 1 time! Not to mention the fact that he was amazingly classy! So I am totally failing to see your point here.[/quote] I agree dude. Barry Sanders was a freak of nature. He was a joy to watch on the field and he has huge numbers to back up what he did on it. His numbers are just insane when you compare them to other RBs. I like a couple guys better but Barry Sanders was a icon and if he didnt retire would of been the NFLs All-Time Rushing Leader. |
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[quote=jsarno;556575]Gotcha
Totally understand, I chose the guys I did because they are stand up class acts...Moss doesn't fit that bill. This is where I am not understanding at all. How did he only make full use of his talent for 1 season? This is a guy that led the league in rushing 4 times! His career low in rushing was 1115 and that was in only 11 games! His 2nd career low was 1304, and he led the league with that! He led the league in TDs 2 years! Had 10 or more TDs in a season 7 times! He played 10 years and had 109 tds! Thats an average of almost 11 a season. He's had over 1500 yards rushing 5 times! Over 1800 2 times! Of course over 2000 1 time! Not to mention the fact that he was amazingly classy! So I am totally failing to see your point here. [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandBa00.htm]Barry Sanders Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote] In the cold light of day, looking at those stats, I admit it's very hard for me to justify my dislike of Sanders. My only defence would be that I always got the impression watching him that he could have put up even more impressive numbers. Too much dancing in the backfield and a little lack of aggression. The exception for me was 1997 when he really attacked the LOS more than previously. If I remember correctly, that was Bobby Ross's first year as head coach. The two are probably connected. |
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[quote=davy;556599]My only defence would be that I always got the impression watching him that he could have put up even more impressive numbers. Too much dancing in the backfield and a little lack of aggression.[/quote]
He did dance around too much and at times it may of cost his team games but there was a sweet science to what Barry Sanders did on the field. He wasnt afraid to take a 5 yard loss to break a 80 yard TD. The dancing around was what made Barry Sanders such a insane player. I use to think the same things about the way he danced behind the LOS but there was a reason behind his madness. Top defenses could shut him down at times but the thing that made Barry Sanders special was how he could be shutdown all game but then one defender makes a mistake and Sanders takes it to the house 80 yards. As a defense you had to play mistake free football for 60 minutes and because of that Sanders made those Lions teams alot better then they really were. |
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First team:
QB - Elway - Cannon arm, mobile, carried Broncos single-handedly to 3 SBs, prior to winning 2. RB - Jim Brown - Best combo of speed, finese, power ever....Period. WR - Charley Taylor - Retired as the all-time receptions leader, in an era when DBs could almost climb on the WR's back. WR - Randy Moss - Unparalled size, speed combo. Can be inconsistent in a bad team environment, but when focused sets records. TE - Kellen Winslow Sr. Second Team: QB - Johnny Unitas RB - Earl Campbell WR - Lance Allworth - career spanned the 60s, yet 7th all-time in receiving Yds/game and 12th in TDs WR - Art Monk - Most complete WR ever, ultimate class act. TE - Tony Gonzalez |
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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;556605]Second Team:
QB - Johnny Unitas RB - Earl Campbell WR - Lance Allworth - career spanned the 60s, yet 7th all-time in receiving Yds/game and 12th in TDs WR - Art Monk - Most complete WR ever, ultimate class act. TE - Tony Gonzalez[/quote] I just noticed you have a 2nd team. I think thats a great idea. I had fun with my first team unit so let me try this again. I listed my first team as Elway, Brown, Rice, Carter, Gonzo. My 2nd team would be.... QB - Joe Montana/49ers RB - Emmitt Smith/Cowboys WR - Marvin Harrison/Colts WR - Don Hutson/Packers TE - Kellen Winslow/Chargers |
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I'd have a tough time deciding between Montana and Peyton Manning. I'll go with Montana. Although you can't go wrong with Unitas, Elway, Marino, Brennan...
Barry Sanders. If I had seen Jim Brown play or Walter Payton play more, I'd probably pick one of them, but I saw Sanders play and he was memorizing. If he had played 2 or 3 more years, he would have locked up many records. Jerry Rice. Best ever. Also didn't hurt having 2 quality QBs throwing to him most of his career. Art Monk. On teams where offense was run first, pass later, he left the game with the NFL record of most catches, career. Tony Gonzalez. Best TE of my generation. |
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[quote=GMScud;556552]Right you are. [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClarGa00.htm"]Gary Clark's[/URL] stats are not only better, they are WAY better than [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm"]Lynn Swann's[/URL]. Clark has more than twice the receptions (699 - 336), and finished with 14 more touchdowns. Lynn Swann never had more than 61 catches in a season, and never more than 880 yards. Plus he retired at age 30. How the heck did he make the Hall of Fame??[/quote]
Clark was a hell of a WR . WR's in the 70's averaged 40 - 55 reception per yr. IF C. Taylor , I. Curtis or Swann played in todays NFL , they would have had much better #'s . If W. Welker were a #2 WR playing in the 70's , he would not average near 100 reception per year , nor would you see QB' s throwing for 30 plus td's per year , as I believe Sunny J. lead the league in td's passes with 19 < 74 > . Swann made the Hall because he dominated in the playoff's and Super Bowls . |
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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;556605]First team:
QB - Elway - Cannon arm, mobile, carried Broncos single-handedly to 3 SBs, prior to winning 2. RB - Jim Brown - Best combo of speed, finese, power ever....Period. WR - Charley Taylor - Retired as the all-time receptions leader, in an era when DBs could almost climb on the WR's back. WR - Randy Moss - Unparalled size, speed combo. Can be inconsistent in a bad team environment, but when focused sets records. TE - Kellen Winslow Sr. Second Team: QB - Johnny Unitas RB - Earl Campbell WR - Lance Allworth - career spanned the 60s, yet 7th all-time in receiving Yds/game and 12th in TDs WR - Art Monk - Most complete WR ever, ultimate class act. TE - Tony Gonzalez[/quote] Great picks Slingin Sammy . |
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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;556605]First team:
QB - Elway - Cannon arm, mobile, carried Broncos single-handedly to 3 SBs, prior to winning 2. RB - Jim Brown - Best combo of speed, finese, power ever....Period. WR - Charley Taylor - Retired as the all-time receptions leader, in an era when DBs could almost climb on the WR's back. WR - Randy Moss - Unparalled size, speed combo. Can be inconsistent in a bad team environment, but when focused sets records. TE - Kellen Winslow Sr. Second Team: QB - Johnny Unitas RB - Earl Campbell WR - Lance Allworth - career spanned the 60s, yet 7th all-time in receiving Yds/game and 12th in TDs WR - Art Monk - Most complete WR ever, ultimate class act. TE - Tony Gonzalez[/quote] I like the second team idea: QB- Steve Young - What an amazing all around QB! RB- Walter Payton - Sweetness TE- Shannon Sharpe - pure strength and impossible to stop. Might make "ugliest player in the NFL", and make "worst speech impediment in the NFL other than Dan Dierdorf!" WR- Tim Brown - Not sure if anyone mentioned him, but he was a flat out stud. WR2- Marvin Harrison - Probably should have put him with Peyton in the first team, but the man is a stud. |
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Mine would be
QB: Brett Favre (sorry that guy was once great) RB: Barry Sanders WR: Jerry Rice WR: Art Monk TE: Kellen Winslow |
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QB: Joe Montana - He was an unheralded qb prospect coming out of Notre Dame and was a beast for the 49er's. It was sad to see him go to KC.
RB: Barry Sanders - The man was freak. WR: Jerry Rice - Records, records, records. Marvin Harrison - The guy has been a model of consistency his entire career. TE: Gonzalez - This one isn't even close. |
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[quote=John Denny;556730]QB: Joe Montana - He was an unheralded qb prospect coming out of Notre Dame and was a beast for the 49er's. It was sad to see him go to KC.
RB: Barry Sanders - The man was freak. WR: Jerry Rice - Records, records, records. Marvin Harrison - The guy has been a model of consistency his entire career. TE: Gonzalez - This one isn't even close.[/quote] Looks pretty good to me. Nice job. |
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[quote=WaldSkins;556221]QB-Colt Brennan
RB-Barry Sanders TE-Tony Gonzalez WR-Randy Moss WR-Jerry Rice[/quote] Colt's going to have to beat out [url=http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/may/11/nfl-is-short-sighted-about-chase-daniel/]Chase Daniel![/url] |
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Steve Young
Jim Brown Jerry Rice Randy Moss Tony Gonzo |
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[B]QB - Joe Montana:[/B] The man was the definition of "cool under pressure". And he has 4 rings.
[B]RB - Barry Sanders:[/B] I really don't think this one needs a reason why, but I'll give one anyway. He broke a man's ankle without touching him, he was easily on his way to breaking numerous records when he retired (which is the only reason why Crybaby Emmitt stayed in the League so long), & he did all of it without a good offense or a FB. A legendary career cut short by bad management. [B]TE - Mark Bavaro:[/B] Big physical end that could run you over & make big plays. I always remember him being super clutch for the Giants when they seemed to need him the most. [B]WR - Art Monk:[/B] Despite the lack of a "signature catch" ( :rolleyes: ), he was the clutchest of clutch receivers IMO. When you needed a 3rd & 16, he was there. He had the best hands in the game. You could throw the ball anywhere within 5 yards of his position & he would catch the ball & make something happen. He was also the classiest guy on the field. [B]WR - Jerry Rice:[/B] Next to Monk, Rice was my other all time favorite receiver. Also a class act & non-stop hard worker, his record breaking career is by & large one of the most celebrated of all time at his position (or should be). No matter where he went (even in Oakland...or was it LA at that point...I can't keep up with those clowns), his work ethic & his abilities never ceased to amaze. That's my team. |
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[quote=budw38;556638]Clark was a hell of a WR . WR's in the 70's averaged 40 - 55 reception per yr. IF C. Taylor , I. Curtis or Swann played in todays NFL , they would have had much better #'s . If W. Welker were a #2 WR playing in the 70's , he would not average near 100 reception per year , nor would you see QB' s throwing for 30 plus td's per year , as I believe Sunny J. lead the league in td's passes with 19 < 74 > . Swann made the Hall because he dominated in the playoff's and Super Bowls .[/quote]
Swann played in the 70's sure, but Clark played mainly in the 80's. A bit different than the 70's, but we're not comparing Welker to Swann, we're comparing Clark. Gary Clark basically lapped Swann's numbers and their playing years weren't too far apart. |
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QB- Joe Montana with Dan Marino a close 2nd even though he never won the SB. I think Marino was one of the best pure passers ever.
RB- Barry Sanders WR's- Rice and Clark. TE- Winslow, Sharpe, Gonzo cant go wrong with either. |
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[quote=GMScud;557012]Swann played in the 70's sure, but Clark played mainly in the 80's. A bit different than the 70's, but we're not comparing Welker to Swann, we're comparing Clark. Gary Clark basically lapped Swann's numbers and their playing years weren't too far apart.[/quote]
I understand that both played in the same time span . In 1978 , the NFL changed the rules as far as bumping WR's and Lineman using there arms extended when pass blocking . As great as C. Taylor was , he never had a 1,000 yd's in 1 season from 1970 - 77 , nor did anther HOF WR , C Joiner during that span . Remember , very few WR's even had 60 recepions /yr during that time because DB's could hit WR's 30 yds downfield as long as the ball was not in the air , and your top QB's avg'd 2,000 yds / 20 tds per year . If you had Sunny and Staubach playing in this era , you would see them putting up # like the kids today. Clark might end up in Canton one day himself . |
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