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[quote=Giantone;558577]according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.[/quote]

When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.

When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.

If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.

Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.

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I feel like our WR core is the most underrated in the league.

the fact that we couldnt score last year... doesnt do us any justice in what we have as far as weapons again coming into this season.

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[quote=Paintrain;558504][B]QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

[B]RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly[/B]; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

[B]WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.
[B]
TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG[/B]; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.
[B]
OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.
[B]
DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly[/B]; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.
[B]
LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly[/B]; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

[B]CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

[B]S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly[/B]; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

[B]ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington[/B]; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

[B]Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.
[B]
Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas[/B]; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.[/quote]

I couldn't add much to this. I think how much of a contribution Haynesworth, Orakpo, and Fred Davis make could change the rankings and if Betts was actually used, maybe he could too, but I'm agreeable with this. Campbell could also make a move up with a great year. I would also put Zorn ahead of Phillips as Paintrain has. Wade has proved he's not much of a HC, Zorn hasn't.

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**** philly if it was'nt for chicago, dallas, tampa, and us falling apart for no real reason they should'nt have even made the playoffs.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558595]When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.

When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.

If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.

Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.[/quote]

Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.QB ratings don't mean anything .....can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!Hey I bet Tom Brady has better QB rating then Eli but on that day Eli won ,that day he was the better QB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;558545]When I break down Romo's passes from last year, the trends are startling. Almost zero of his most valuable completions went to wide receivers. Consistently, Romo was best throwing to his tight ends and backs. Little things like that tend to be the mark of good quarterbacking.
[/quote]

I'm gonna' have to disagree with you there. Doesn't that suggest that he dumped off two yard passes that the receiver or running back turned into huge gains? I think he was second or third in the league in interceptions and a lot of those were him trying to force throws deep. Truly, much like the Cowboys of the 90s, Romo and the RBs are playing behind a superior line. Call it what you want, but he has ALL day to sit back there. He's elusive yes, but I have never been like, "Wow, his throwing skills are amazing."

I always would see him have forever to throw or scramble and check down for a short throw that, in the stat books, looks like a huge completion. Sure, his elusiveness might suggest he's a great QB, but couldn't you say that about Vick and others?

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[quote=Giantone;558632]Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.QB ratings don't mean anything .....can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!Hey I bet Tom Brady has better QB rating then Eli but on that day Eli won ,[SIZE=5][I][B]that day[/B][/I][/SIZE] he was the better QB.[/quote]

Key words. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

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[quote=Giantone;558632]Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.[/quote]

...and your point is? I think they are better. If you dont like it call your congressman.

[quote=Giantone;558632]QB ratings don't mean anything .....[/quote]

I just listed the QB rating because it was easier than copying and pasting every stat that proves my point.

[quote=Giantone;558632]can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game![/quote]

Actually there was no single player worth it so they gave the MVP to Eli. They should of given the MVP to the whole defensive line of the Giants. Hell I think David Tyree deserved it more catching a TD and then making a huge catch to help setup the GW TD.

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[quote=horse;558630]**** philly if it was'nt for chicago, dallas, tampa, and us falling apart for no real reason they should'nt have even made the playoffs.[/quote]
....and [b]IF[/b] the Redskins beat the Rams then what.

In the NFL every game matters and if's are nothing more than an excuse.

`08 is over and I'm excited about the upcoming season.

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[quote=pick-ups;558645]`08 is over and I'm excited about the upcoming season.[/quote]

You should be dude. The Eagles have a really good team this year. If they put it all together they might finally win a Super Bowl.

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Eli talent wise is the worst QB in this division and he did ride the the Giants defense to a SB win and I cannot knock them as a team for that.

The Pats win that meeting 9 out of 10 times and Eli tried as hard as possible to give that game to the Pats,so I cannot be told that Eli was the best player that day.

Anyways that is all in the past and I can't wait to see Eli(heading into his first season of his career w/o Buress or any sort of a true #1 WR).

Welcome to McNabbs world and I promise you that Eli doesn't possess what McNabb does to carry his team through out parts of the season.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558646]You should be dude. The Eagles have a really good team this year. If they put it all together they might finally win a Super Bowl.[/quote]
Hey I'm a realist and the Eagles have had their chances,but some how seem to always gag when it matters.

I do like their chances this year,but honestly any of the teams this year in the NFC East could represent the conference and I wouldn't in the least be shocked...;)

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[quote=Paintrain;558504][B]QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.

[B]RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly[/B]; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.

[B]WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.

[B]TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG[/B]; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.

[B]OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.

[B]DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly[/B]; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.

[B]LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly[/B]; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.

[B]CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG[/B]; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.

[B]S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly[/B]; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.

[B]ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington[/B]; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.

[B]Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas[/B]; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.

[B]Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas[/B]; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.[/quote]


This is the first breakdown of them all that makes sense to me.....

Id like to know who the He!! Dallas,Philly, Or the Giants at this point have at WR thats better than Santana Moss????????? Riddle Me That

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;558652]This is the first breakdown of them all that makes sense to me.....

Id like to know who the He!! Dallas,Philly, Or the Giants at this point have at WR thats better than Santana Moss????????? Riddle Me That[/quote]

First off Maclin wasn't a need,but in fact(BPA)and he will get some time at wide-out and be a more than likely be an outstanding return man.

DeSean has got the skills to be the best WR in the division this year and Moss ain't no spring chicken anymore.(9th season)

Moss in his 8 years has only exceeded Jacksons(rookie)production in 3 of his 8 seasons(stat wise).

Is there anyone on the Redskins roster(WRs)that you'd take over DeSean right now?

If so then......forget it.

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I will say that Moss is the best WR in the division as of right now.

Kelley and Thomas are the unknowns as of now for the Skins unlike DeSean for the Eagles.

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[quote=pick-ups;558655]First off Maclin wasn't a need,but in fact(BPA)and he will get some time at wide-out and be a more than likely be an outstanding return man.

DeSean has got the skills to be the best WR in the division this year and Moss ain't no spring chicken anymore.(9th season)

Moss in his 8 years has only exceeded Jacksons(rookie)production in 3 of his 8 seasons(stat wise).

[B]Is there anyone on the Redskins roster(WRs)that you'd take over DeSean right now?[/B]

If so then......forget it.[/quote]

You know, probably not but the question wasn't just about #1 WR. I'd take every WR on the Redskins roster over Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant (who I actually think is decent), Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown though.

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[quote=Paintrain;558662]You know, probably not but the question wasn't just about #1 WR. I'd take every WR on the Redskins roster over Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant (who I actually think is decent), Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown though.[/quote]

Thats crazy you said that as I too like Avant more so than Curtis and Baskett.

Maclin is the wild card and he definitely has the skills to be a productive player,but I don't think he can do what DeSean did as a rookie WR.

The Redskins WRs will rise as Campbell does and I think he's finally got a fire lit under him with all this bullshit trade talks in the off season.

We'll see?

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;558652]This is the first breakdown of them all that makes sense to me.....

Id like to know who the He!! Dallas,Philly, Or the Giants at this point have at WR thats better than Santana Moss????????? Riddle Me That[/quote]

Santana Moss might be the best WR in the NFC East but that aint saying much. Moss is overrated by most Redskin fans imo. Hes a good WR but he would be better as a #2. Overall if Thomas or Kelly doesnt step up this year we easily have the worst WR core in the NFC East.

[quote=Paintrain;558662]You know, probably not but the question wasn't just about #1 WR. I'd take every WR on the Redskins roster over Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant (who I actually think is decent), Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown though.[/quote]

Thats funny because right now the only Redskin WR who I think is better then Kevin Curtis is Santana Moss.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558667]Thats funny because right now the only Redskin WR who I think is better then Kevin Curtis is Santana Moss.[/quote]

I think if you put Randel El in his natural position as a slot receiver then you would see him flourish. We just haven't had someone take the reigns as the number two WR.

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[quote=WaldSkins;558668]I think if you put Randel El in his natural position as a slot receiver then you would see him flourish. We just haven't had someone take the reigns as the number two WR.[/quote]

As a slot WR Randle El would be very solid even though he would probably be the highest paid slot WR in NFL history. I still think Curtis can do more things at WR then Randle El. If we could cut him and not have to take the cap hit id do it in a heartbeat.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558669]As a slot WR Randle El would be very solid even though he would probably be the highest paid slot WR in NFL history. I still think Curtis can do more things at WR then Randle El. If we could cut him and not have to take the cap hit id do it in a heartbeat.[/quote]

Id like Randle El to produce where ever he ends up on the field. But, I think El lacks the ability to go up, get the ball and come down with it. He's not physical enough to play as a number two but with all the back stepping and jukeing he likes to do on punts returns he'd be perfect to run those shorter routes as a number 3 slot receiver.

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[quote=Giantone;558497]QB) Eagles/Giants/Campbell/Romo

RB) Giants,/Skins-Eagles/cowboys

OL)Giants /Eagle/Cowboys/Skins

WR) Skins/Cowboys/Giants/Eagles

TE) Cowboys/Giants/Skin/Eagles

Punter) Giants/Cowboys/Skins/Eagles

PK) Giants/Eagles/Skins/Cowboys

DL) Giants/Cowboys/Eagles/Skins

LB)Cowboys,Eagles/Giants/Skins

DB) Skins,Eagles/Giants/Cowboys

Safety)Eagles/Skins/Cowboys/Giants

Coaching) Reid/Coughlin/Phillips/Zorn[/quote]

You think the Skins have the worst D-line in the division (umm, Haynesworth?) and the Giants in Kevin Boss have a better TE situation than we do?? That's the funniest thing I've seen all day. Cooley is 3x the TE Kevin Boss is 8 days a week.

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[quote=WaldSkins;558670]Id like Randle El to produce where ever he ends up on the field. But, I think El lacks the ability to go up, get the ball and come down with it. He's not physical enough to play as a number two but with all the back stepping and jukeing he likes to do on punts returns he'd be perfect to run those shorter routes as a number 3 slot receiver.[/quote]

I would love for Moss and Thomas to start with Kelly as the slot WR. It probably wont happen but I can dream. :laughing-

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558674]I would love for Moss and Thomas to start with Kelly as the slot WR. It probably wont happen but I can dream. :laughing-[/quote]
Thomas has the skills to be that guy.
Now whether he does it or not is another thing.

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Kelly is more in the mold of a red zone threat.

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[quote=pick-ups;558676]Thomas has the skills to be that guy.
Now whether he does it or not is another thing.

Kelly is more in the mold of a red zone threat.[/quote]

I agree. I liked Devin Thomas coming out of the draft and was shocked he slipped as far as he did. Hopefully he can step up and take the #2 spot.

Kelly im more nervous about because of all his injuries. Everyone says he looks good in practice and hopefully this year that will translate into the games.

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Great post orakpo!

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[quote=GMScud;558673]You think the Skins have the worst D-line in the division (umm, Haynesworth?) and the Giants in Kevin Boss have a better TE situation than we do?? That's the funniest thing I've seen all day. Cooley is 3x the TE Kevin Boss is 8 days a week.[/quote]


Ok, I'll go over it one more time ,my opinions on these picks is based on last year since this year hasn't been played yet.As for Haynsworth ...who knows if he'll be any good in the NFC East or not ...he'll be going against much better O lines.As for Cooley ...I already said he's a great TE but Boss did play better last year less fumbles and better blocking.

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[quote=Giantone;558684]Ok, I'll go over it one more time ,my opinions on these picks is based on last year since this year hasn't been played yet.As for Haynsworth ...who knows if he'll be any good in the NFC East or not ...he'll be going against much better O lines.As for Cooley ...I already said he's a great TE but Boss did play better last year less fumbles and better blocking.[/quote]

But, as I think it's been said, these rankings are about how they are constituted now, not at the end of last season. The whole point of the discussion is to get thoughts of current rosters. Last season is done.

Was Boss in the ProBowl? Has he been? Not that ProBowl is everything, but I think Cooley is easily recognized as better than Boss.

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[quote=Giantone;558582]I disagree , your wideouts were fine last year till your O line ...well got desimated and couldn't protect the QB.That affected eveything,the run game then the passing game.[/quote]Well, Moss was great for a month, and Randle El had a nice season, but really, the rest of the team struggled the entire year at the wideout position. There was no silver lining in it, they were just bad, and bad all year.

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[quote=Paintrain;558588]Philly has the same problem we had going into last year. All of their WR are of similar size and skill set. Jackson, Curtis and Baskett are all burners, not chain movers. That's where they used Westbrook and Celek. Now Maclin, who is going to have to learn an NFL passing tree, is supposed to come in and be a top contributor? I don't really see it.

Dallas has the MOST questions because they lost the best WR in the division from last year. Hate him or not, 67 catches, 1,000+ yards and 10 TD doesn't go un-missed. That's pretty significant to try to replace. R. Williams had one good year, one, and that was with Mike Martz calling the plays. Crayton and Austin don't scare anyone, at all. They made no additions to their WR corp and are expecting Williams to jump by 50+ receptions to be a #1? Shaky at best.

I think it's clear. Moss will produce like always, Randle El will produce similar to last year and if Thomas doubles his production (not a stretch based on all offseason reports) then we should have the class of the division at WR this year.[/quote]I would say Curtis has been a chain mover his entire career, going back to St. Louis. Avant and Baskett both enjoyed the seasons we wish Thomas and Kelly would have had last year. And Jackson, well, you and I are both high on him. The Eagles' only question is Jeremy Maclin, who comes in as the 4th or 5th WR anyway.

I agree with you that Roy Williams isn't going to up and become a number one receiver, but I'd take him over Santana as my No. 2 option in an explosive offense. I do think that Miles Austin has the stuff to replace Owens in the lineup. I think he has number one potential. Patrick Crayton is definately not a question mark, as he's been one of the more productive third receivers in this league for years now. The Cowboys are thinner at this position, but certainly not bad (even given the ridiculous trade for Williams).

And the Giants, well, I don't think they have question marks as much as they just aren't very good at the position.

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[quote=GTripp0012;558747]I would say Curtis has been a chain mover his entire career, going back to St. Louis. Avant and Baskett both enjoyed the seasons we wish Thomas and Kelly would have had last year. And Jackson, well, you and I are both high on him. The Eagles' only question is Jeremy Maclin, who comes in as the 4th or 5th WR anyway.

I agree with you that Roy Williams isn't going to up and become a number one receiver, but I'd take him over Santana as my No. 2 option in an explosive offense. I do think that Miles Austin has the stuff to replace Owens in the lineup. I think he has number one potential. Patrick Crayton is definately not a question mark, as he's been one of the more productive third receivers in this league for years now. The Cowboys are thinner at this position, but certainly not bad (even given the ridiculous trade for Williams).

And the Giants, well, I don't think they have question marks as much as they just aren't very good at the position.[/quote]
You may be right on Curtis, I guess I just think of him more as a vertical WR than a possession guy. If Thomas and Kelly had the same production Avant and Baskett had last year we would have been very happy (and won 11 games) but I expect Thomas to exceed both of them this year while they will probably remain stagnant at those numbers.

You are much higher on Austin than I am. I think he's got good tools but he seems to be lacking a certain something that is preventing him from being 'that guy'. I think Williams is a decent #2 miscast as an expected #1. I'd still take Moss for the big play opportunities he presents. To me Crayton is what he is, a #3 who will flash occasional big games but isn't really a reliable weapon. He's like James Thrash-Cowboy style.

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[quote=elamin24;558683]Great post orakpo![/quote]

Thanks dude. :food-smil

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[quote=pick-ups;558648][B]Eli talent wise is the worst QB in this division and he did ride the the Giants defense to a SB[/B] win and I cannot knock them as a team for that.

The Pats win that meeting 9 out of 10 times and Eli tried as hard as possible to give that game to the Pats,so I cannot be told that Eli was the best player that day.

Anyways that is all in the past and I can't wait to see Eli(heading into his first season of his career w/o Buress or any sort of a true #1 WR).

Welcome to McNabbs world and I promise you that Eli doesn't possess what McNabb does to carry his team through out parts of the season.[/quote]

Talent wise you're probably right. But don't under estimate what Eli did. He stepped his game up when it mattered most. Plus he drove his team down the field for a SB win. I was very impressed with his performace in 07. McNabb threw 3 INTS in his SB. I think McNabb is better though.

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[quote=skinsfan69;558756]Talent wise you're probably right. But don't under estimate what Eli did. He stepped his game up when it mattered most. Plus he drove his team down the field for a SB win. I was very impressed with his performace in 07. McNabb threw 3 INTS in his SB. I think McNabb is better though.[/quote]
Like I said before about Eli and that final drive....he threw two passes that should've been INTs and was fortunate they weren't.

The Giants offense had amassed 3 points total going into the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for the extraordinary performance by the Giants defense(holding the Pats to 14pts/lowest all year)then what Eli does,doesn't really matter.

McNabb also threw for 357yds and 3 TDs along with those 3 INTs(the last one being a final heave with no time left).

The Eagles offense this season can be one of the best in the league,let alone the division.
They are stacked.

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[quote=GMScud;558673]You think the Skins have the worst D-line in the division (umm, Haynesworth?) and the Giants in Kevin Boss have a better TE situation than we do?? That's the funniest thing I've seen all day. Cooley is 3x the TE Kevin Boss is 8 days a week.[/quote]

No doubt. Cooley also had 50 more receptions for almost 500 more yards on a struggling offense. Nobody, NOBODY in their right mind would take Boss over Cooley.

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[quote=pick-ups;558759]Like I said before about Eli and that final drive....he threw two passes that should've been INTs and was fortunate they weren't.

The Giants offense had amassed 3 points total going into the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for the extraordinary performance by the Giants defense(holding the Pats to 14pts/lowest all year)then what Eli does,doesn't really matter.

McNabb also threw for 357yds and 3 TDs along with those 3 INTs(the last one being a final heave with no time left).

The Eagles offense this season can be one of the best in the league,let alone the division.
They are stacked.[/quote]
Yea but you have to take away style points for McNabb puking on you center.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQo6zt3bWlM[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;558786]Yea but you have to take away style points for McNabb puking on you center.
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You know the crazy thing is that every time McNabb has puked during a drive.....the end result is always a TD(maybe he should puke on every drive):D

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[quote=pick-ups;558788]You know the crazy thing is that every time McNabb has puked during a drive.....the end result is always a TD(maybe he should puke on every drive):D[/quote]
If I'm correct when he pucked in the SB they did not score and the game was over.

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[quote=skinsfan69;558756]Talent wise you're probably right. But don't under estimate what Eli did. He stepped his game up when it mattered most. Plus he drove his team down the field for a SB win. I was very impressed with his performace in 07. McNabb threw 3 INTS in his SB. I think McNabb is better though.[/quote]


Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!:)Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.