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[quote=30gut;559282]I got answer to the OLB problem...
4. The Washington Redskins have a completely different plan for first-round choice Brian Orakpo than some people expected. At the Redskins' minicamp, Orakpo was used as the starting strongside linebacker. [B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="DarkOrange"]The plan is for him to blitz from the strong side on first and second downs[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]. [SIZE="3"][COLOR="Green"]On passing downs, he will line up at right defensive end next to Albert Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp[/COLOR][/SIZE]. Orakpo was drafted to rush the passer. The surprise is that he won't just be doing it from a defensive end position.

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=4135310[/url]

unleash the hounds!![/quote]

Ever since the Skins have put Orakpo at LB in Minicamp I have had mixed feelings on it. While I feel he can be successful id rather him play as a 3 down end. Im not sure if he will be blitzing on all 1st and 2nd downs though like the article suggests at LB. It seems like the Skins are just filling a need be throwing Orakpo at LB instead of looking at the long term success of their 1st round pick by playing him at the position he played in at college as a DE.

Honestly id rather him just play RDE all 3 downs and let him grow into the position at the NFL level and reak havoc along the defensive line with Albert Haynesworth.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559280]So you are saying the Skins should never trade or sign a player who is a ex-cowboy because previous moves havent worked out?

Sometimes I think peoples hate for the Cowboys blinds there judgement. I actually think [B]if DeMarcus Ware somehow hit the FA market some Skins fans would be saying I dont want that Cowgirl trash[/B].[/quote]

Yes I am saying that. Bro [B]"if"[/B] that ever happened then I would admit I was wrong, but [B]it hasn't.[/B] It's like people continue to play with fire and have 3rd degree burns. (not that extreme but you know what I'm getting at) You're probably the same person that wanted Deion, Alvin Harper, and Brandon Noble. And Look what that did for us....

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So we shouldn't have signed Demetric Evans back in 2004?

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[quote=vallin21;559300]Yes I am saying that. Bro [B]"if"[/B] that ever happened then I would admit I was wrong, but [B]it hasn't.[/B] It's like people continue to play with fire and have 3rd degree burns. (not that extreme but you know what I'm getting at) You're probably the same person that wanted Deion, Alvin Harper, and Brandon Noble. And Look what that did for us....[/quote]

Play with fire? Teams try the best they can to get the talent needed to win. I dont care what team he last played for. He could of played for the Satan All-Stars and id still sign him if he gave my team a better chance to win.

I didnt have a problem with Deion Sanders at the time. Hes probably one of the top 3 corners to ever play the game. So yeah back in 2000 I didnt mind having a trio of Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green. The only Skins fans who didnt want Deion were the ones holding a grudge for all the times he whipped our ass over the years.

As for Alvin Harper I didnt have any opinion one way or the other. I didnt think he was anything special. He did play 2 seasons for Tampa Bay before us so it wasnt like he came right from the Cowboys here.

Brandon Noble had knee problems but when he played for us he played well. He even won the Ed Block Courage Award after coming back from his first knee injury with us. I wanted Noble and had no problems with that move. You cant predict knee injuries they could happen to anyone. He probably would of came back and played some more for us if he didnt get a staph infection that ended his career after his 2nd knee injury.

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[quote=GTripp0012;559305]So we shouldn't have signed Demetric Evans back in 2004?[/quote]

Damn dude great post. I forgot Evans had last played for the Cowboys before signing with the Redskins.

I was trying to think of different players and that one skipped my mind.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559306]Play with fire? Teams try the best they can to get the talent needed to win. I dont care what team he last played for. He could of played for the Satan All-Stars and id still sign him if he gave my team a better chance to win.

I didnt have a problem with Deion Sanders at the time. Hes probably one of the top 3 corners to ever play the game. So yeah back in 2000 I didnt mind having a trio of Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green. [B]The only Skins fans who didnt want Deion were the ones holding a grudge for all the times he whipped our ass over the years. [/B] (Excuse, he was washed up, and he stole money from Synder)

As for Alvin Harper I didnt have any opinion one way or the other. I didnt think he was anything special. [B]He did play 2 seasons for Tampa Bay before us so it wasnt like he came right from the Cowboys here[/B]. ( That's pointless. His longest tenure was with the Boys, he's a Cowboy)

Brandon Noble had knee problems but when he played for us he played well. He even won the Ed Block Courage Award after coming back from his first knee injury with us. I wanted Noble and had no problems with that move. You cant predict knee injuries they could happen to anyone. He probably would of came back and played some more for us if he didnt get a staph infection that ended his career after his 2nd knee injury.[/quote]( True, you can't predict knee injures, but when he was healthy he didn't do shit. Another excuse)

What's you're point? All those players were terrible [B]with us[/B]. Don't make excuses for each player I listed, if you're trying to make an point [B]just make it[/B]. Yeah Evans was good, but he was a cheap FA that had no expectations, all of these guys (Harper, Sanders, and Noble) were high-priced and big named FA's that people had high expectations for. Just admit it: NO COWBOY HAS COME HERE AND PERFORMED AT A HIGH LEVEL.

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[quote=vallin21;559310]( True, you can't predict knee injures, but when he was healthy he didn't do shit. Another excuse)

What's you're point? All those players were terrible [B]with us[/B]. Don't make excuses for each player I listed, if you're trying to make an point [B]just make it[/B]. Yeah Evans was good, but he was a cheap FA that had no expectations, all of these guys (Harper, Sanders, and Noble) were high-priced and big named FA's that people had high expectations for. Just admit it: NO COWBOY HAS COME HERE AND PERFORMED AT A HIGH LEVEL.[/quote]

I disagree. Noble was a solid piece to our defensive tackle rotation. He wasnt a pro bowler but he wasnt "shit" either. I dont think I was making excuses for Noble. Im just pointing out when he did play for us he was solid. I dont think knee injuries should go against him.

Im not making excuses for each player you listed. Where did I make "excuses" for Deion or Harper? I only suggested alot of Skins fans wanted Deion. I said I had no opinion about Harper at the time we signed him. I didnt think he was anything special so I had no opinion good or bad at the time. You said I probably wanted all three of those guys. I admit I did want two of them. I never made any excuses for any of them though. At the sametime Harper and Noble werent brought in to be superstars.

I know no one had high expectations for Evans but if you had high expectations for Harper or Noble then you either didnt watch them play before we signed them or you overhype players. Harper didnt do nothing in two seasons in TB before he came to Washington and Noble was solid but not a great player.

The only point I was trying to make is just because certain Cowboy players havent worked out in the past doesnt mean we should never bring in a Cowboy player again. If you honestly hate the Cowboys so much that you dont want to try to improve your own football team then you have some serious issues. Its like you think ex-cowboys to this franchise are like the Madden curse. No offense but the only player who the Skins have brought in in the last 10 years from the Cowboys who was suppose to be something special was Deion Sanders.

(oh as for Harper playing two season in TB before he came to DC. The only reason I brought it up was because I thought we were talking about players who came from Dallas to Washington. Since he played last for Tampa Bay I didnt understand why he was brought into the discussion.)

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way too old, injury prone, and not something we need here. IR/the training room will already be busy this year with the likes of our geriatric backup DE's and Griffin.

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Hell no

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[quote=jamf;559160]You want to trade with the god damn cowboys?[/quote]

Exactly

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Here's Stats, Inc. take on Greg Ellis. While I'm not advocating for him (for a trade at least, since he will most likely be released) just wanted to add this to this discussion. Also, someone mentioned him being injury prone, well he played all 16 games last season, only missed 3 in 2007, and it was only in 2006 when he missed 8 games.

[quote][B]2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.[/B]
Greg Ellis #98 LB
Grade: 75 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Ellis is 10-year veteran with very good size and adequate speed and quickness. He reacts quickly to the run. He has good size and strength to maintain effective hand use. He has long arms to stack and shed. He will get upright with his pad level, but has good strength and balance to keep his feet. He's a former defensive end who understands leverage. He can play physical and get off blocks with good timing. He is still quick enough to work his feet and re-gain outside leverage. He is also quick enough to contain and force running backs back inside. He has adequate acceleration in space with good effort to pursue from behind. As a pass rusher, the Cowboys will bring him off the edge from a three-point stance where he has good success recording sacks when his hand is on the ground. He has strength in his upper body to re-work his hands inside then react off of the offensive tackle's technique. He's physical with his hands and works to finish. He is also strong with the ability to rip inside-out. He has a variety of pass-rush moves including spins and counters. He does a good job turning speed to power. He will get upright on counter moves, but comes hard inside and has strength into traffic. He has some limitations in coverage due to his lack of burst in space. He will stall changing direction and lack the quickness to break down consistently, when isolated.[/quote]

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[quote=jamf;559160]You want to trade with the god damn cowboys?[/quote]

we dont trade with them we never have never will

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[quote=redskinjim;559386]we dont trade with them [B]we never have[/B] never will[/quote]

Actually we have before.

[quote]Redskins general manager Charley Casserly decided he wouldn't risk losing Johnson. He gave the Dallas Cowboys a third round pick to move up from the 7th spot on the second round to the 30th spot on the first round and grabbed Johnson.[/quote]

[quote]It was noteworthy that Jerry Jones, the Dallas owner, traded his first round pick to the Redskins, a division rival. The Redskins also traded with the Cowboys in 1989, 1991 and 1992. When Casserly was asked what his mentor, the late George Allen, would have thought about trading with the Cowboys, Casserly said, "First of all, George wouldn't have had the second and third (round picks) to trade because they would have been gone four years ago.''[/quote]

[url=http://www.webskins.org/draft96.html]WebSkins : Redskins Draft 1996 (Level 2)[/url]

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In our 4-3 he would be more suited for the DE spot instead of SLB.
you honestly think he can cover guys like Witten and Ingram?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559395]In our 4-3 he would be more suited for the DE spot instead of SLB.
you honestly think he can cover guys like Witten and Ingram?[/quote]

I agree hes a DE in a 4-3 defense but if the price is right I wouldnt mind giving him a shot at OLB. Hell id put Orakpo at DE, Ellis at WLB, and move Rocky to SLB.

I know the odds of this happening are slim to none but I think it would be a upgrade over playing Orakpo out of position and two old DEs at LDE.

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No cowboys

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I got a better OLB option, Brady popinga of the packers, cause thyre switching to a 3-4 and they don't think that he'll fit in it, and he's a great 4-3 OLB, I think theyll cut him by training camp

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New rule: if we're going to suggest players who would make sense at OLB in our 4-3 defense, they have to be a better player than Marcus Washington. Who is still a free agent.

Pisa Tinoisamoa was an interesting case, because he is a great player. He's just very, very lanky, and almost exclusively needs to be in a cover two defense to be great. I think Poppinga would be worth a look. But the Greg Ellis' of the world...we can do better.

Also, SLB is a position that is very much a two down position in the NFL, so it makes sense to hand the job to Orakpo as a rookie, if just to get him onto the field and tackling NFL RBs. We're not lacking in nickel linebackers with Blades and Fletch, and the team appears to be happy with Rocky Mac as a two down weak-side linebacker, which is a place I think a move would make sense. So given that, maybe we don't have a need at LB.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559237]

[B]I dont like when people take stats and break them down[/B].[/quote]

I will only have reactionary posts from here on out.

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My take on LBs is that you get the fastest, best motor guys available, preferably young and you let them run to the ball. Vets are good as situational guys, they know the drops, etc, but Ellis, to me, was always a bit stiff.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;559190]Harkening back to last season, if the Skins lose two OLB's to major injuries on the first day of training camp, Greg Ellis will be acquired immediately.

Other than that, I'd be surprised...[/quote]

Indeed. He would then proceed to have his worst year ever as a pro, leave after one lollygagging season...and diss the hell out of the 'Skins organization, coaches and most of the players.

Hmm. Now where have I seen that before?

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We had the chance to get a good LB in the draft, we passed and now we either have to see who hits the wire when the cuts begin or sign a FA now. Id like to see us bring in a OLB and keep RAK at DE.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559479]We had the chance to get a good LB in the draft, we passed and now we either have to see who hits the wire when the cuts begin or sign a FA now. Id like to see us bring in a OLB and keep RAK at DE.[/quote]

I'm still not over how we drafted our second day picks either and I have serious concerns with RAK at OLB...but Im fully against throwing away future draft picks for a player right now especially Ellis. Cuts is going to be the way to go at this point with bringing in a ready-to-play starter at OLB.

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[quote=GTripp0012;559458]New rule: if we're going to suggest players who would make sense at OLB in our 4-3 defense, they have to be a better player than Marcus Washington. Who is still a free agent.[/quote]

Dude Marcus Washington cant even stay on the field without hurting something. Ill take Ellis and 20.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons than a LB who has only started 20 of 32 games the last 2 seasons.

[quote=tryfuhl;559459]I will only have reactionary posts from here on out.[/quote]

Nice job taking a post out of context and twisting it. I just dont like when actual stats are broken down to change the outlook on a player.

When someone takes a player who had 8 sacks last year and then acts like he really only had 3.5 because he had 4.5 in two games I find it odd. Its like the 4.5 sacks shouldnt count because he had two big games vs division rivals. Hell injury prone Taylor had 3.5 and Carter had only 4 last year. Kinda sad when you take away 4.5 sacks from a guy and hes still just as good as what we had last year from both end spots.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559515][B]Dude Marcus Washington cant even stay on the field without hurting something. Ill take Ellis and 20.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons than a LB who has only started 20 of 32 games the last 2 seasons.



Nice job taking a post out of context and twisting it. I just dont like when actual stats are broken down to change the outlook on a player. [/B]
When someone takes a player who had 8 sacks last year and then acts like he really only had 3.5 because he had 4.5 in two games I find it odd. Its like the 4.5 sacks shouldnt count because he had two big games vs division rivals. Hell injury prone Taylor had 3.5 and Carter had only 4 last year. Kinda sad when you take away 4.5 sacks from a guy and hes still just as good as what we had last year from both end spots.[/quote]

Yeah stats are a funny thing. They can be used to make a variety of points. For example, if you go back 3 years instead of 2, Ellis played in a total of 2 more games than Marcus. 2. Not much of a difference really. As far as sacks, they were used completely different. Blache had different plans for Marcus than the way he had been used before. He wanted him to do more of the "grunt" work the way I understood it. Such as taking out the guard on sweeps. The MLB is expected to make a lot of plays in this defense. If Ellis played for Blache the last couple of years the way Marcus was used, I doubt his sack total would have been as high. He looks like he can still play in the right system, but unless Blache changes what he expects out of the SAM position, hopefully he does if he plays Orakpo there, then he wouldn't have the kind of year he's had in the past.

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[quote=53Fan;559595]Yeah stats are a funny thing. They can be used to make a variety of points. For example, if you go back 3 years instead of 2, Ellis played in a total of 2 more games than Marcus. 2. Not much of a difference really. As far as sacks, they were used completely different. Blache had different plans for Marcus than the way he had been used before. He wanted him to do more of the "grunt" work the way I understood it. Such as taking out the guard on sweeps. The MLB is expected to make a lot of plays in this defense. If Ellis played for Blache the last couple of years the way Marcus was used, I doubt his sack total would have been as high. He looks like he can still play in the right system, but unless Blache changes what he expects out of the SAM position, hopefully he does if he plays Orakpo there, then he wouldn't have the kind of year he's had in the past.[/quote]

Those are great points. I didnt realize Ellis only played in 9 games in 2006. I was going off the last 2 seasons Ellis has had and that he can still make plays compared to Washington. The problem with Marcus Washington imo is that he hasnt been the same LB since 2005. From the 06 season up til the time he was released he was a shell of his former self imo. Hopefully Blache wouldnt play Ellis like he played Washington if Ellis was here the last couple years.

I think Ellis could play either SLB or WLB for us. If it was me id move Rocky to SLB and Ellis to WLB. This is just my opinion if it happened since I know the chances of the Skins trading or signing Ellis would be slim to none.

If we could re-sign Marcus for the vet min I wouldnt mind bringing him in and giving him another shot. If he can stay healthy he can be a solid player for us. If he gets hurt again cut him before the season.

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Dallas Cowboys release defensive end/linebacker Greg Ellis.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559657]Dallas Cowboys release defensive end/linebacker Greg Ellis.[/quote]

Confirmed?

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Im trying to get more of a concrete answer but i saw this on nola.com

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All I can find is he WILL be released or traded. Also mentions he would rather play DE than LB. [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810831bd&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cowboys plan to release or trade DE Ellis after 11 seasons together[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;559668]All I can find is he WILL be released or traded. Also mentions he would rather play DE than LB. [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810831bd&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cowboys plan to release or trade DE Ellis after 11 seasons together[/url][/quote]

Same thing I've seen. Nothing set in stone yet as far as I know

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[quote=SmootSmack;559669]Same thing I've seen. Nothing set in stone yet as far as I know[/quote]

ESPN is reporting the Cowboys are in no rush to release him.
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com./nfl/news/story?id=4206691]Jerry Jones says Greg Ellis likely a goner from Dallas Cowboys - ESPN[/url]

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They want to trade him, good luck now that theyve spilled the beans that he was gone either way. Teams will just wait it out at this point.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559689]They want to trade him, good luck now that theyve spilled the beans that he was gone either way. Teams will just wait it out at this point.[/quote]

Not necessarily. If a team wants to ensure they get him and not deal with a team higher on the waiver priority list getting him a trade can happen. See Erasmus James

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True, But id like to think if the FO did want to make a run for him they wouldnt give too much. We need our picks next yr.

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I have stated before i think for our 4-3 he would be a better fit at DE than at SLB covering TE's like Witten and Ingram.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559657]Dallas Cowboys release defensive end/linebacker Greg Ellis.[/quote]

Nothing confirmed yet.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810831bd&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cowboys plan to release or trade DE Ellis after 11 seasons together[/url]

Don't mean to be a prick, but whenever possible use links to confirm news (and use the quote button). Just passing along stuff that I was told to do here when I started posting.

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Im at work now so i havent really had time to play around with the quote or expression features on the site. Ill try to get the hang of it later since ppl seem to really push it in here.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559704]I have stated before i think for our 4-3 he would be a better fit at DE than at SLB covering TE's like Witten and Ingram.[/quote]

In any 4-3 Ellis would be a better fit as a DE since thats where he played when Dallas ran a 4-3.

I still think he could fit as a LB though. Hell if Orakpo is going to play LB and hes a DE why not Ellis? Id rather have Orakpo at DE and Ellis at LB.

If he comes to Washington he wouldnt have to play SLB imo. He could play WLB and move Rocky to SLB.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559720]Im at work now so i havent really had time to play around with the quote or expression features on the site. Ill try to get the hang of it later since ppl seem to really push it in here.[/quote]

It's an extremely simple tool, the quote feature, and it makes the site so much better when used correctly.

Really, no one is trying to give you a hard time.