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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;568247]What type of medication are you on? And can I have some, please?[/quote]

Sit tight. He just passed it to me. You're next.

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[quote=Angry;568249]I mis-read your post and now I'm all confused.

Lets keep it simple. I would have been ok with a 4th round pick. 3 was too high IMO.[/quote]

Got it

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So who are the Skins going to cut from their Dline with Jarmon on board? I would have to think that Alexander is safe since he has more versatility as he can also play offensive line if the injury bug hits. I think Daniels is safe since he plays well against the run and is one of Coach Blatche's favorite players. So is it Wynn or Buzbee who gets the ax or both? Is there any restrictions as far as placing either on the practice squad (although I don't see Wynn accepting a practice squad position and he would just retire.)

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Last year Jarmon was on the preseason watch list for the Ronnie Lott Trophy given to the nations best defensive player.

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The thing I'm most happy about is that at least we didn't trade picks for washed up vets. Third might be a little too high, but that's a departure from what we've been doing with our picks anyway.

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[quote=Bill B;568253]So who are the Skins going to cut from their Dline with Jarmon on board? I would have to think that Alexander is safe since he has more versatility as he can also play offensive line if the injury bug hits. I think Daniels is safe since he plays well against the run and is one of Coach Blatche's favorite players. So is it Wynn or Buzbee who gets the ax or both? Is there any restrictions as far as placing either on the practice squad (although I don't see Wynn accepting a practice squad position and he would just retire.)[/quote]

Buzbee seems to have recovered from his injury from what I've read. Still, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.

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Jarmon will have a year to practice and hopefully play this year , which should have him ready to be our starting DE to start 2010 . Had we used a pick on a DE next april , we would have likley had to wait a year while that pick developed . It's not like our DE's are getting younger . Lets hope he can play both DE spots and maybe DT on nickel packages and get some heat on the qb this year . Should Jarmon, Orakpo , Barnes make an impact this year , and DT,MK, and FD < our 08 picks > contribute , we will only have to focus on OL and maybe SLB in next years draft . I bet we sign 1 OL in F/A next year.

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[quote=Bill B;568253]So who are the Skins going to cut from their Dline with Jarmon on board? I would have to think that Alexander is safe since he has more versatility as he can also play offensive line if the injury bug hits. I think Daniels is safe since he plays well against the run and is one of Coach Blatche's favorite players. So is it Wynn or Buzbee who gets the ax or both? Is there any restrictions as far as placing either on the practice squad (although I don't see Wynn accepting a practice squad position and he would just retire.)[/quote]

Wynn would not be eligible for the practice squad due to his level of experience (a PS player can not have been active for more than nine games in his career or been part of the 53-man roster for a full season) and as you said there is no way he would take that demotion even if it was possible. I guess it would be possible for Buzzbee to go to the practice squad since he was only active for three games in 2007 and on IR last year.

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[quote=Angry;568226]The supplemental draft is supposed to be "bargain shopping" you should be able to get Day 1 talent with Day 2 picks. If you rate a guy as a 2nd round talent, then you want to pick him in the 4th round or later in my opinion. I think that this was a reach and I hope that I am not bitching about it still in April.[/quote]

Not really. Undrafted free agents are 'bargain shopping'; the supplemental draft is only for players that became ineligible after the regular draft. The rule of thumb for draft slot is similar to trading next years pick for an additional one this year. If you want a 3rd, it's going to cost you a 2nd because you are getting an extra year of service. Same thing here, if he was graded now as a 4th, we got him in the 3rd because we are getting '09 playing time from a '10 draft pick. Make sense?

[quote=vallin21]Most scouts thought he'd go as high as 3 to as low as 6 in this years draft, so there is a debate about his talent level. [b][i]He had a good year in '07 but obviously didn't play last year.[/b][/i] Since we coughed up a 3rd I expect him to contribute some this season but hopefully he'll have a bigger role in 2010. I think Buzbee gets cut, and Jarmon has a chance to backup one of the starting end's.[/quote]
No, he played last year, he tested positive for a banned substance after the deadline for entering the 2009 Draft so he had to go the Supplemental Draft route. He had a great '07 (7 sacks) but his production was down in '08 (4 sacks) largely due to more attention and double teams. That's probably why there was such a range in his draft slot predictions if he came out in '09.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;568258]Wynn would not be eligible for the practice squad due to his level of experience (a PS player can not have been active for more than nine games in his career or been part of the 53-man roster for a full season) and as you said there is no way he would take that demotion even if it was possible. I guess it would be possible for Buzzbee to go to the practice squad since he was only active for three games in 2007 and on IR last year.[/quote]


Thanks SC Skins Fan. Also - just curious - whereabout in SC are you living and do you follow college football? I went to USC and still follow the Gamecocks and Spurrier (I know he was terrible here) is having a terrific recruiting season this year with many saying he has the best offensive line recruiting class in the nation so far.

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[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SuppDraft/Supplemental-Draft.php]Draft Countdown - 2009 NFL Supplemental Draft[/url] A " scouting report on Jarmon

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I like the pick. If for no other reason than the fact that we took a kid with talent and now can't trade the pick away in desperation when someone on our OLine get hurts.

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[quote=Paintrain;568259]Not really. Undrafted free agents are 'bargain shopping' the supplemental draft is only for players that became ineligible after the regular draft. The rule of thumb for draft slot is similar to trading next years pick for an additional one this year. If you want a 3rd, it's going to cost you a 2nd because you are getting an extra year of service. Same thing here, if he was graded now as a 4th, we got him in the 3rd because we are getting '09 playing time from a '10 draft pick. Make sense?


No, he played last year, he tested positive for a banned substance after the deadline for entering the 2009 Draft so he had to go the Supplemental Draft route. He had a great '07 (7 sacks) but his production was down in '08 (4 sacks) largely due to more attention and double teams. That's probably why there was such a range in his draft slot predictions if he came out in '09.[/quote]

Yeah my bad, he had 9 ('07) then 4.5 ('08) but some scouts are saying his sacks dropped due to double teams in '08. Even though I think he's worth a 4th, I like the pick. This is an investment for the future w/ either Dainels, Wynn or both gone in 2010. This could be a solid draft with Orakpo, Barnes and Jarmon making a impact in their rookie year. Who can tell me how they slot Jarmon in terms of his contract?

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If this is posted somewhere, I apologize for the re-post. Here is the transcript of the announcement that he was getting a year suspension. It doesn't really say much about his NFL abilities, but I thought the praises from his coach and his acknowledgement of the issue were very good signs. I LOVE KOOL-AID! (53Fan pass me that stuff next, don't worry about BHA, it won't do no good there!)
[url=http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/052309aab.html]Jarmon Ruled Ineligible for Senior Season - KENTUCKY OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE[/url]

[quote]Q: Just to be clear, did their test verify that it was something found in the dietary supplement?

“Yes. Let me be abundantly clear, this guy has been a model of discipline for our program. He has never had a disciplinary action and he has never even come close to failing the test before. It has never been an issue. This is a three week isolated deal that is very unfortunate. He has been unbelievable for the University of Kentucky. Do not lose sight of that. I don't know anyone that could represent this program better than he has in a lot of different ways and I am thankful for that and that he knows that.”[/quote]

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Also from that article:
[quote]Normally, we would not have a press conference to discuss this kind of issue, but[B] Jeremy requested the opportunity to speak to it and with all the contributions and the things he's given this program, we felt he earned and deserved the right to do that.[/B] The way he had represented this program and how much it meant to him, we wanted to make sure that he had the opportunity to speak to the people he loves dearly in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, the fans that have supported him, his teammates, coaches and staff.[/quote]

Lets hope he sees the Redskins in this light and does outstanding work here.

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[quote=FRPLG;568262]I like the pick. If for no other reason than the fact that we took a kid with talent and [B]now can't trade the pick away in desperation when someone on our OLine get hurts[/B].[/quote]

Unfortunately, we will now be forced to trade a 2nd rounder (Is there a Jason Taylor equivalent for the O-Line?)

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[quote=53Fan;568182]Seems a bit high to me. Maybe Vinny's comfortable knowing we have a 1 and 2 next year. I just hope we're not bitchin' about it come draft day next year.[/quote]We're ~300 days before the next draft, plenty of time for Vinny to deal our top two picks :banghead:

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[quote=budw38;568261][URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SuppDraft/Supplemental-Draft.php"]Draft Countdown - 2009 NFL Supplemental Draft[/URL] A " scouting report on Jarmon[/quote]

Thanks, I would looking for something like that. Anyway I'm sure the coaching staff loved this part
[I]
"Knocks down a lot of passes at the line"[/I]

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I like this movie...Skins continue to spread their risk by adding two DE/LB type of players. If i'm not mistaken Jarmon was on track to being a 1st round pick. I give it two thumbs up.:woot:

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From Adam Schefter's Twitter page:
Washington had draft pegged pretty good, drafting Jeremy Jarmon in round 3. Five teams put in claims to draft Jarmon in round 4. Washington won him.

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I'm not exactly sure that we're the best fit for him, given the potential turnover on our defensive coaching staff within a year or two, but my only concern is that we might have overpaid a bit.

Because outside of that, SEC defensive linemen tend to have no issue making the jump to the next level and and Jarmon appears to be no exception.

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So, I guess what I'm saying is that if the Redskins get the guy they think they have, I see no reason to think that Vinny's assessment of his second round talent is off the mark.

Only that we might have been able to turn next years third rounder into a comparable player.

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[quote=GTripp0012;568298]I'm not exactly sure that we're the best fit for him, given the potential turnover on our defensive coaching staff within a year or two, but my only concern is that we might have overpaid a bit.

Because outside of that, SEC defensive linemen tend to have no issue making the jump to the next level and and Jarmon appears to be no exception.[/quote]
With 5 teams ready to take him in the 4th it seems like we paid the necessary price to get him.

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[quote=Paintrain;568301]With 5 teams ready to take him in the 4th it seems like we paid the necessary price to get him.[/quote]Of course. I'm just suggesting that he might have been overvalued by multiple teams with less talent than use due to the fact that they plan on using him this year. Whereas, he fits into our puzzle as a depth guy in year one. So we might have been able to get a comparable player in say, the 4th or 5th round next year had we waited.

But, again, if the guy turns out to be an average 2nd round talent (2-3 wins added over the next 4.5 seasons), you aren't going to hear not one complaint out of me.

Kudos to the FO for putting the chips in the middle here, but they better be right on their assessment.

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I like this move. We are essentially redshirting him, I look at him as a 2010 third rounder that we get to have for an extra year to get a head start on his development. And if he actually gets some decent pt this season and gets off to a good start then even better.

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I'm good with the pick--stack the D and hopefully we can win some games with less offense, giving Zorn more time to get it going.

Vinny clearly is of the "bird in the hand" school--at least the guy is young!

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So it seems that this locks Orakpo in at the SLB position... at least on 1st and 2nd downs. Im glad to see that we can now have a very good 3rd down dline that can get to the QB.

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We might do the same with Jarmon have him take snaps at SLB, i do beleive Orakpo was a better College DE than Jarmon. I don't know the guy but i like the pick just because it brings youth, depth & we used the pick and didn't trade it away for one year players.

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I think RAK will stay at SLB and they will put him in Blitz Packages off the edge where they can move him around and create win situations for him on the rush. We did need a movement on the Dline. now we can shore up the Oline after this season. Hopefully the young WR's can get on the field this season and show the promise that we expected last yr.

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[quote=Bill B;568253]So who are the Skins going to cut from their Dline with Jarmon on board? I would have to think that Alexander is safe since he has more versatility as he can also play offensive line if the injury bug hits. I think Daniels is safe since he plays well against the run and is one of Coach Blatche's favorite players. So is it Wynn or Buzbee who gets the ax or both? Is there any restrictions as far as placing either on the practice squad (although I don't see Wynn accepting a practice squad position and he would just retire.)[/quote]

Looks like the Buzbee project is officially over, unless he comes into camp and outplays Wynn...which Im hoping he will(younger/upside). If the skins could finally get some of these yound DE's going,we could have a scary D'Line......

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Is Buzbee eligible for the practice squad? He & Jarmon would be the only DEs eligible if so.

GT said JJ's a depth guy in year one, but really, who is going to start at LE? Daniels is coming off an injury & is old, Wynn is old. Assuming Orakpo plays SLB, If Jarmon shines in camp, he could win the job. It's not a deep position if Daniels isn't the same, which we won't know about till camp.

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It would be great if our down 4 could get 2 the QB without sending a LB or CB.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;568322]It would be great if our down 4 could get 2 the QB without sending a LB or CB.[/quote]

Its been awhile since we had that luxury. This could be the yr.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;568322]It would be great if our down 4 could get 2 the QB without sending a LB or CB.[/quote]

That would pay HUGE dividends.

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On paper our DL is sick and games aren't played on paper but at least this pre-season JC going up against our DL & DF should prepare him for almost anything.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;568270]If this is posted somewhere, I apologize for the re-post. Here is the transcript of the announcement that he was getting a year suspension. It doesn't really say much about his NFL abilities, but I thought the praises from his coach and his acknowledgement of the issue were very good signs. I LOVE KOOL-AID! (53Fan pass me that stuff next, don't worry about BHA, it won't do no good there!)
[url=http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/052309aab.html]Jarmon Ruled Ineligible for Senior Season - KENTUCKY OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE[/url][/quote]

Just to add to that. After working Jarmon out, Palermo had this to say about him, "I think he's smart, he's tough, he's willing to listen and he's willing to work." As Vinny said, those are 4 things you really like to hear. I'm feeling better about this pick all the time. I mean WTH, we're due to have some things go our way aren't we?

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[quote=53Fan;568328]Just to add to that. After working Jarmon out, Palermo had this to say about him, "I think he's smart, he's tough, he's willing to listen and he's willing to work." As Vinny said, those are 4 things you really like to hear. I'm feeling better about this pick all the time. I mean WTH, we're due to have some things go our way aren't we?[/quote]
Everyone says he has a non-stop motor ! He is also only 20 yrs old , should get bigger - stronger and faster over the next few years , while learning from Danials / Wynn / Carter and Griffen . We add Big AL , Orakpo , get Rocky back at 100% , D.Hall < 4 starts last year > and young guys like Horton , Moore and Barnes ,,,, the Defense should be awesome !!

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[quote=budw38;568331]Everyone says he has a non-stop motor ! He is also only 20 yrs old , should get bigger - stronger and faster over the next few years , while learning from Danials / Wynn / Carter and Griffen . We add Big AL , Orakpo , get Rocky back at 100% , D.Hall < 4 starts last year > and young guys like Horton , Moore and Barnes ,,,, the Defense should be awesome !![/quote]

You're getting me psyched man. :woot:

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We have the most jack-stacked defense in the league. Get 'er done GB.

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Personally, I like the pick. If this kid played his senior year I bet he would have cost much more than a 3rd. I don't consider this pissing away draft picks. We used the pick on a college player who has a lot of potential.