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I don't think anyone is going to pick him up. I just don't see it. This time of year rosters are set. Outside of Oakland I don't see anyone who wants to put up with the drama. He's going to have to go to the new league and try and knock off the rust, then try something next year.

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Someone will sign him before the trade deadline...just a hunch.

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With camp injuries you never know who might roll the dice.

I'd be surprised if there isn't a handful of teams that have him on their radar.

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[quote=Mattyk72;569715]I don't think Vick will actually be suspended for the 4 games. I think if he keeps his nose clean during camp he will be good to go.[/quote]

Yeah wasn't there kind of a similar situation with Pac Man, where he had a conditional ban but once the season started it was lifted?

The Rams deny it, but I think they may make a run at him. But I think the team most likely to will be the Jaguars. What he probably should do is spend a year in the UFL, recharge his batteries as a football player and then try to make the NFL again in 2010.

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[quote=GMScud;569666]Really? I don't get the 4 game suspension at all. Vick already lost his credibility and reputation, his fortune, and two years of freedom. He's missed 32 regular season games over that span as well. He committed some horrible crimes, and suffered some horrible consequences.

I think the 4 game suspension is stupid. What metric did Goodell use to determine 4 games was appropriate? Did he look at everything that's happened to Vick since his conviction and say, yeah, that's about right, but I think we should throw on 4 more weeks just because. Obviously, his jail sentence aside, a 4 week suspension is waaay too light for Vick's crimes. But he's been put through the wringer over the past 2 years. Why a 4 game suspension at this point? Makes no sense to me.[/quote]

Maybe the 4 weeks was for Vick lying to him when this all went down. I don't blame Vick for lying because at that time he had not been charged with any crime.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;569693]I agree...if he has been actively suspended indefinitely by the commisioner during his imprisonment his discipline started at that point...time served.

Also, this Vick hoopla will last until the game he's allowed back in and then doesn't get time due to inefficiency. It's foolish to think he'll be the same player he was pre-incarceration.

[B]Let the guy play...he'll suck anyway, it won't matter[/B].[/quote]


I agree, its not like he was a great QB before. he is a great runner but as a passer .... i dont think so. We need a QB who elevates the play of our wrs and leds this team. look at the Falcons WR Roddy White,this guy was approaching bust status until he got a real QB to get him the ball. now look at him.

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If I had to go out on a limb to choose a team, I wouldn't bet against the Steelers scooping him up.

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[quote=ethat001;569686]Honestly I think he got screwed by PETA. Sure, what he did was horrible and he is a inhumane person for doing it. I am not defending a scum like him.

BUT let's face it, we signed AH for $100 million dollars who ran someone over (and almost paralyzed him) and stomped on someone's *face*. We signed Jeremy Bridges who was arrested for assault and battery last year. Plax shot himself (<grin>), Matt Jones did cocaine, and others have done a lot of other crimes (I think there were 58 nfl player arrests in 2008)..

[B]Sure what Vick did was bad, but why is everyone else let go with a slap on the wrist?[/quote][/B]

Because as you have seen in other threads on this board.....half of the people/society have a softer spot for animals then they do humans and their reasoning is ....animals just can't walk away from abuse.

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We could use his explosiveness. Any team can use his explosiveness. The boy is good. You dont have to have an o-line full of first round picks for him to successd. You don't have be like the Colts and spend everything on offense and hope the coach can make a defense out of two players. I like old fashioned football defense and run the ball. He is perfect for that.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569819]We could use his explosiveness. Any team can use his explosiveness. [B]The boy is good.[/B] You dont have to have an o-line full of first round picks for him to successd. You don't have be like the Colts and spend everything on offense and hope the coach can make a defense out of two players. I like old fashioned football defense and run the ball. He is perfect for that.[/quote]

The boy was good. It's likely he's lost most of his athletic edge that kept him as one of the best NFL caliber athletes.

This is like people thinking Mike Tyson was going to punish people when he got out of prison. He was served meatball opponents until he faced real competition in Holyfield. He never had the prowess he used have after his stagnant stay in prison.


This Vick thing is only a storyline, he won't be making a difference on the field come September.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;569822]The boy was good. It's likely he's lost most of his athletic edge that kept him as one of the best NFL caliber athletes.

This is like people thinking Mike Tyson was going to punish people when he got out of prison. He was served meatball opponents until he faced real competition in Holyfield. He never had the prowess he used have after his stagnant stay in prison.


This Vick thing is only a storyline, he won't be making a difference on the field come September.[/quote]

I take that as a bet. Even a Vick that has a lost a little will still be fast. Will have to acclimate back to the game. Somebody will put him on the field. A genius like Belicheat. He can go to a team he does not have to carry like he did with the Falcons. I like players like him because you can't scheme him. football becomes unpredictable and not boring.

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^This is the same thought process with Mike Williams. He hasn't ridden a bike in 2 yrs so he's likely to have lost most of his ability to.

Most players have played since little league. I doubt they have lost their ability but his age and stanima is the question. I say his age cause his body may not be able to hold up and his stanima meaning endurance. Can he play a whole game. I would not doubt these players in a few short weeks would be using their technique that got them to the pros in the first place.

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Brady o-line gets old he is a sitting duck, lost Super Bowl.
Manning - First round picks all around him from the RB's to the WR's, no Super Bowl until Sexy Rex gave him one.

Football is athletics leave the geniuses to figure out how to get us to the Moon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;569759]I don't think anyone is going to pick him up. I just don't see it. This time of year rosters are set. Outside of Oakland I don't see anyone who wants to put up with the drama. He's going to have to go to the new league and try and knock off the rust, then try something next year.[/quote]

What drama? PETA is too worried bout Obama killing a fly to protest his new team.

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Look at the Redskins. Zorn gets out schemed in Detroit, too busy trying to show Portis who's the boss. Santana Moss runs back a punt with his athleticism, saves his hide.

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[quote=ethat001;569686]BUT let's face it, we signed AH for $100 million dollars who ran someone over (and almost paralyzed him) and stomped on someone's *face*. We signed Jeremy Bridges who was arrested for assault and battery last year. Plax shot himself (<grin>), Matt Jones did cocaine, and others have done a lot of other crimes (I think there were 58 nfl player arrests in 2008)..

Sure what Vick did was bad, but why is everyone else let go with a slap on the wrist?[/quote]Stallworth - Indefinite Suspension
Haynesworth - 5 games for "stomp", 2006 Reckless driving charges were dropped. 2008 Reckless driving charges were misdemeanor.
Matt Jones - 3 game suspension
Leonard Little - 8 game suspension
Jeremy Bridges - 2 game suspenison by Panthers for misdemeanor assault. No suspension for "simple assualt & battery" which was basically a bar scuffle with a bouncer.
Plax - who knows, he'll likely be in jail for 2+ yrs minimum.
Tank Johnson - 8 games
Pacman - 2007 season

Hardly "slaps on the wrist".

While Vick has been suspended during the case and subsequent jail time, the only real punishment from the NFL would be 4 games. As Matty said, this is a huge benfit for Vick. Be thankful I'm not commish, you wouldn't see Vick in the NFL again (you wouldn't have seen Little after his second DUI incident either).

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569830]Brady o-line gets old he is a sitting duck, lost Super Bowl.
Manning - First round picks all around him from the RB's to the WR's, no Super Bowl until Sexy Rex gave him one.

Football is athletics leave the geniuses to figure out how to get us to the Moon.[/quote]The QB position is a lot more than just "athletics". And don't forget Vick was running a 4.25, possibly a 4.2, 40-time in his prime. His great speed was his only asset. Now his trainer states "he can naturally run a 4.4", but to my knowledge he hasn't run a timed 40 anywhere recently. Bottom line, Vick's last three years at the QB position he stunk. If you want to move him to WR or "slash" type, a 4.4 at a skill position in the NFL is good but not great, a lot of guys run 4.4s in the NFL. And who knows if Vick has any hands for the WR position, as I remember he fumbled more than average as a QB.

Vick is damaged goods and it's very doubful he'll have any real success upon his return.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;569837]The QB position is a lot more than just "athletics". And don't forget Vick was running a 4.25, possibly a 4.2, 40-time in his prime. His great speed was his only asset. Now his trainer states "he can naturally run a 4.4", but to my knowledge he hasn't run a timed 40 anywhere recently. Bottom line, Vick's last three years at the QB position he stunk. If you want to move him to WR or "slash" type, a 4.4 at a skill position in the NFL is good but not great, a lot of guys run 4.4s in the NFL. And who knows if Vick has any hands for the WR position, as I remember he fumbled more than average as a QB.

Vick is damaged goods and it's very doubful he'll have any real success upon his return.[/quote]

Pure speculation. Dude won more playoff games than Manning or Romo.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569841]Pure speculation. Dude won more playoff games than [B]Manning[/B] or Romo.[/quote]

Which one, Archie?

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[quote=Mattyk72;569846]Which one, Archie?[/quote]

Post of the day!

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So you saying people weren't saying when was Peyton gonna when a playoff game? How long did it take him to win a playoff game? Took him until they filled up his skill positions and O-line with 1st round picks at the expense of the defense.

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Well Romo has NEVER won a playoff game so thats easy. try putting him in good company next time.

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I just like saying Romo never won a playoff game. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569854]So you saying people weren't saying when was Peyton gonna when a playoff game? How long did it take him to win a playoff game? [B]Took him until they filled up his skill positions and O-line with 1st round picks at the expense of the defense[/B].[/quote]

They won a SB,so i guess it WORKED. just sayin

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569854]So you saying people weren't saying when was Peyton gonna when a playoff game? How long did it take him to win a playoff game? Took him until they filled up his skill positions and O-line with 1st round picks at the expense of the defense.[/quote]

fail on many levels

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We will see what happens when he plays. I am usre Matty will pull this post back up.

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yep, whatever that means

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;569837]The QB position is a lot more than just "athletics". And don't forget Vick was running a 4.25, possibly a 4.2, 40-time in his prime. His great speed was his only asset. Now his trainer states "he can naturally run a 4.4", but to my knowledge he hasn't run a timed 40 anywhere recently. Bottom line, Vick's last three years at the QB position he stunk. If you want to move him to WR or "slash" type, a 4.4 at a skill position in the NFL is good but not great, a lot of guys run 4.4s in the NFL. And who knows if Vick has any hands for the WR position, as I remember he fumbled more than average as a QB.

Vick is damaged goods and it's very doubful he'll have any real success upon his return.[/quote]

The fact is your guessing. So he lost 2 tenths of a second on his 40. The 40 is a good measure for speed but does not touch the intangables like making players miss tackles. He's had 2 yrs to simply run around a fenced in field. 2 yrs to weight lift and get stronger. If I'm not mistaken they even allow balls in jail so he probably found a way to throw a ball once and a while. Most likely all he has to work on is his accuracy.

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[quote=SBXVII;569867]The fact is your guessing. So he lost 2 tenths of a second on his 40. The 40 is a good measure for speed but does not touch the intangables like making players miss tackles. He's had 2 yrs to simply run around a fenced in field. 2 yrs to weight lift and get stronger. If I'm not mistaken they even allow balls in jail so he probably found a way to throw a ball once and a while. Most likely all he has to work on is his accuracy.[/quote]
Uh, I am guessing too, but I don't think a jailhouse yard is going to provide the same benefits as a NFL level training regimen. Could he do the basics, yes, but coming back to his former level, and getting better in the areas he lacked, is going to be extremely difficult.

A difference between Vick and Mike Williams, is we know Williams didn't have the desire, or play up to his potential. Now whether he can or not, TC/PreSeason will tell. But Vick has to change the way he played, and show abilities he didn't seem to possess, even when he was fullout balling.

But time will tell with both.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;569841]Pure speculation. Dude won more playoff games than Manning or Romo.[/quote]
Speculation? Another FAIL.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/29900-the-vick-factor-5.html#post559797[/URL]

2003 - QB Rating = 69
2004 - QB Rating = 78.1 Fumbles = 16
2005 - QB Rating = 73.1 Fumbles = 11
2006 - QB Rating = 75.7 Fumbles = 9

Not a stellar record in the playoffs 2-2 and pretty bad in the losses. The most recent playoff win was against the mighty 8-8 Rams.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VickMi00_playoffs.htm"]Michael Vick Gamelogs and Game Logs - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]

Matty - Archie LOL

Peyton Manning playoff wins = 7 (one's a SB)

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[quote=SBXVII;569867]The fact is your guessing. So he lost 2 tenths of a second on his 40. The 40 is a good measure for speed but does not touch the intangables like making players miss tackles. He's had 2 yrs to simply run around a fenced in field. 2 yrs to weight lift and get stronger. If I'm not mistaken they even allow balls in jail so he probably found a way to throw a ball once and a while. Most likely all he has to work on is his accuracy.[/quote]You're joking right? 2 tenths of a second is huge at the NFL level, think about the difference between a 4.4 & a 4.6 guy. And the 4.4 is speculation by his trainer, he might be at 4.5 or 4.6. Please don't tell me you think the federal pen in Leavenworth, KS is going to prepare Vick for the NFL. I've seen no mention of him throwing, just playing basketball and lifting. Oh yeah, he's also 29, people don't get faster as they age.

Vick didn't have accuracy in his prime, how's it going to develop now? That broad side of the barn he couldn't hit before, ain't gettin' any bigger.

My statements are certainly no "guess".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;569872]Uh, I am guessing too, but I don't think a jailhouse yard is going to provide the same benefits as a NFL level training regimen. Could he do the basics, yes, but coming back to his former level, and getting better in the areas he lacked, is going to be extremely difficult.

A difference between Vick and Mike Williams, is we know Williams didn't have the desire, or play up to his potential. Now whether he can or not, TC/PreSeason will tell. But Vick has to change the way he played, and show abilities he didn't seem to possess, even when he was fullout balling.

But time will tell with both.[/quote]

Not saying he's 100%. Just saying I'm sure he kept himself in as good a shape as he could get in while in the big house.....you know running away from Bubba. LOL.

People keep talking about moving him to another position ie; WR a skilled position. That will take time and who knows if he will work out. If there are any teams looking at him I would guess it would be as QB or to be used as a QB in the Wild Cat situation.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;569884]You're joking right? 2 tenths of a second is huge at the NFL level, think about the difference between a 4.4 & a 4.6 guy. And the 4.4 is speculation by his trainer, he might be at 4.5 or 4.6. Please don't tell me you think the federal pen in Leavenworth, KS is going to prepare Vick for the NFL. I've seen no mention of him throwing, just playing basketball and lifting. Oh yeah, he's also 29, people don't get faster as they age.

Vick didn't have accuracy in his prime, how's it going to develop now? That broad side of the barn he couldn't hit before, ain't gettin' any bigger.

My statements are certainly no "guess".[/quote]

No I'm not joking. The only time 2 tenths of a second will come in to play is in the long run. Very similar to racing. Both cars shoot of the line at the same time but the car that is 2 tenths of a second faster will win in the long run ...right. But it takes a long run. 2 tenths of a second is not gunna matter when it comes to dropping back and having to side step a rusher. Thats agility. Most of MV runs were him side stepping rushers and while running down field making defensive players miss tackles. He hardly ever ran full speed straight down the field.

As far as your accuracy you are correct. Which is why I'm not really into him as a player. If our coach's felt they needed his talent to make the team better then I guess they would know best.

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[quote=SBXVII;569894]No I'm not joking. The only time 2 tenths of a second will come in to play is in the long run. Very similar to racing. Both cars shoot of the line at the same time but the car that is 2 tenths of a second faster will win in the long run ...right. But it takes a long run. 2 tenths of a second is not gunna matter when it comes to dropping back and having to side step a rusher. Thats agility. Most of MV runs were him side stepping rushers and while running down field making defensive players miss tackles. He hardly ever ran full speed straight down the field.

As far as your accuracy you are correct. Which is why I'm not really into him as a player. If our coach's felt they needed his talent to make the team better then I guess they would know best.[/quote]

Vick is not going to play QB when he comes back to the NFL.

What NFL team/head coach is going to stake their 3 year plan around the instability of his skillset...let alone after a stagnant 2 year prison stint?

Who's the guy that said Vick was preparing in prison like he was doing a two year training camp at Levenworth Fed???...lol...

No matter how you try to spin it his prison time is a total liability against his current athletic state.

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[quote=SBXVII;569894]No I'm not joking. The only time 2 tenths of a second will come in to play is in the long run. Very similar to racing. Both cars shoot of the line at the same time but the car that is 2 tenths of a second faster will win in the long run ...right. But it takes a long run. 2 tenths of a second is not gunna matter when it comes to dropping back and having to side step a rusher. Thats agility. Most of MV runs were him side stepping rushers and while running down field making defensive players miss tackles. He hardly ever ran full speed straight down the field. [/quote]I understand your point. I guess I should clarify mine. After his lay-off, with no NFL caliber training not only is his 40 going to be down, but his explosiveness (10-yd, shuttle, etc.) will be to. His greatest asset, foot-speed & explosiveness, is now at best a slightly above-average level for skill postions (WR,DB). He is not at the fastest, quickest player in the league level. Without the speed advantage he had before, he will not be successful unless he radically improves & changes the other areas of his game. At 29 and all other factors considered, while not impossible, I believe him being productive in the NFL is highly unlikely.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;569655]Id love to see Vic as a redskin, he already knows the WestCoast Offense.
For everyone saying no to Vic!!! Then who takes the reins if Campbell doesnt
show he's worthy??? Todd Collins(NOT..the offense has changed and he isnt a West Coast guy) Colt Brennan(If he was ready he'd be atleast the primary backup already)

Bring in VIC, hes a vet (at minimum hes the cheapest starting caliber backup QB out there),[/quote]

Yep, you're right. If the lousy QB we have now doesn't work out, bring in the other lousy QB. Consistency, that's what this teams been missing!

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I am thinking of Vick trying to do an explosive 10 yard dash at Leavenworth, but all I see is alot of guards getting edgy pretty quickly.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;569897]Vick is not going to play QB when he comes back to the NFL.

What NFL team/head coach is going to stake their 3 year plan around the instability of his skillset...let alone after a stagnant 2 year prison stint?

Who's the guy that said Vick was preparing in prison like he was doing a two year training camp at Levenworth Fed???...lol...

[SIZE=4]No matter how you try to spin it his prison time is a total liability against his current athletic state.[/quote][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4] [/SIZE]
I'm so sure that is so true with an NFL player. While he might be a littly rusty his boby has not been taking the abuse for the past two years.

Can anyone think of a football player in his prime have two years off and not because of injury or a war and then come back?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;569908]I am thinking of Vick trying to do an explosive 10 yard dash at Leavenworth, but all I see is alot of guards getting edgy pretty quickly.[/quote]

In the 1960's yes. Now a days there is like 2 fences sometimes 3. Guards up in towers with M16's. K-9 officers walking between the fences making sure there is not escapee's. and I'm sure all the guards knew who MV was so to see him running around the yard which is almost all they can do besides sitting or playing basketball or weight lifting outside then I seriously doubt they were getting edgy. Unless he had several inmates chasing him. LOL.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;569908]I am thinking of Vick trying to do an explosive 10 yard dash at Leavenworth, but all I see is alot of guards getting edgy pretty quickly.[/quote]:lol: