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[quote=Buster;571136]Not cooperating with police is deserving of an arrest. You sound as racially-biased as Gates and the President.[/quote]


If I am at home and I have shown the officer my ID that provs I live there, then I have cooperated. Stand outside for what? I protest i live here. Have not committed a crime. You made up a crime because you want me to step outside for what?


Slingin Sammy point to my racist arguments. Point by point. No matter what color the officers are I am looking at the arrest. Just because the other officers are black is not gonna make me say ohh?!! you can go to someone's home tell them to do something and if they dont do it you go to jail. What's the complaint. What law did he break is my only point.

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I hear what you are saying, but listen, if a police officer comes to your door, I think you have an obligation to be respectful. He was doing his job, and responding to an alleged crime. Once he had established that Mr. Gates was the legal resident, then yes he should back out. BUT, and I think this is important, Professor Gates could have chosen not to walk out. And just closed the door. but he followed him out, yelling and acting more like a guy (any ethnicity) "off the street" then a Harvard Professor. And he was told to "chill" several times. Really, if someone acted stupidly, I would have said Prof. Gates did. Now the officers could have, and probably should have, just walked away, with the famous line - "Nothing to see here" but they did not.

The fact that charges were dropped was as much of a political decision as a reflection of a lack of case or poor policework.

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[quote=Buster;571135]He's definitely trying to follow his pastor for 20 years and trying to push the black community into a position of power and superiority over white Americans. He's just counting on these multi-thousand page bills will not be read before their passing...which is Congress' (at least the majority party's modus operandi.[/quote]

Having a bi-racial president scares you? This is a teaching moment!!!! Misconceptions such as these keep our country from being as effective as it needs to be in a changing global climate. We have to be united.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;571146]The fact that charges were dropped was as much of a political decision as a reflection of a lack of case or poor policework.[/quote]

If a crime was not committed then no jail. He was a butthole, no crime there.

Private property no disorderly conduct. Crowley is not a racist he got offended by being called one took a man to jail and had no case. Unprofessional.

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No one is obligated to cooperate with the police. THE 5TH AMENDMENT

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[quote=5th Amendment]No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. [/quote]
can you please highlight where we suddenly are not supposed to co-operate with police during legitimate investigations? Don't quite see it in this version of the 5th amendment

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;571156]If a crime was not committed then no jail. He was a butthole, no crime there.

Private property no disorderly conduct. Crowley is not a racist he got offended by being called one took a man to jail and had no case. Unprofessional.[/quote]

So one was a jerk to police ( aka acting stupid) the other was acting unprofessional, (but I would argue that on scene he acted within the realm of professionalism, but I understand your statement). Nothing for the national media, and Al Sharpton or the President of the US to even be involved in.

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I cannot believe this thread is STILL alive.

Everyone just chill - don't make me go JOEREDSKIN on your ass!

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Just food for thought from Cooley's training camp blog
[quote=Cooley's blog]The highlight of my day was the Cooley shorts. Last night the team held the opening meeting which is you basic introduction to work talk. Trainers come and discuss hydration, personal conduct is always a mention,[B][COLOR="Red"][U] we even covered how a conversation should go with a police officer when a player gets pulled over.[/U][/COLOR][/B] You know, the really tough things in life. From there the meeting went on to cover our dealings with the media, which is where Z gave what I considered the quote of the night.[/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;571169]I cannot believe this thread is STILL alive.

Everyone just chill - don't make me go JOEREDSKIN on your ass![/quote]

Hey, we aren't in the regular season yet, let it live just a little longer.

And please, don't talk about JOEREDSKINning someone like it really means anything :boxing:

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Cooperated: Showed ID I live here mystery solved. Come outside what's the due process? Why come outside? This is America! come outside for what?

Charges dropped not reasonable. Police chase criminals, no criminals here.

Professionalism: unpleasasnt law abiding citizen, oh well time to go to Dunkin Doughnuts. Charges dropped, I arrested a person who did not commit a crime. This is America!! Stupid stupid stupid. Besides Ogeltree promised statements from individuals who have dealt with Crowely before with similar results. Obama tells Ogletree chill out let it go. Dr. Gates you need to chill too.

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Its a non-issue but a good distraction for the John Mccain hating wing of the Republican party who desperately needed something racial to highlight Obama is not like you to the American masses. CRedskinsrule I see your points. Now we can move on.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;571180]Its a non-issue but a good distraction for the John Mccain hating wing of the Republican party who desperately needed something racial to highlight Obama is not like you to the American masses. CRedskinsrule I see your points. Now we can move on.[/quote]

agreed, Is Orakpo signed yet :)

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Sign Orakpo!!! They are sleeping on the Redskins this year. Lighting a fire under Jason was a good idea, lit a fire under the whole team.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;571156]If a crime was not committed then no jail. [B]He was a butthole, no crime there. [/B]

Private property no disorderly conduct. Crowley is not a racist he got offended by being called one took a man to jail and had no case. Unprofessional.[/quote]

Yes it is when you are doing it to a police officer responding to a call in front of on-lookers. None of us were there but just being on private property isn't an excuse either. You don't get to yell at police officers for free.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;571163]So one was a jerk to police ( aka acting stupid) the other was acting unprofessional, (but I would argue that on scene he acted within the realm of professionalism, but I understand your statement). Nothing for the national media, and Al Sharpton or the President of the US to even be involved in.[/quote]
BINGO! we have a winner. im a obama supporter, and he should have kept his opinion to him self.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;570703]That's saden's job.

Oops - there I go jabbing away.[/quote]

Welcome to the asshole club Joe, though I must confess that I am a little concerned that you'd show up in [URL="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1113/1477607158_01c5c1212b.jpg"]wrestling tights[/URL] on the first day.

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I consider myself a libertarian leaning conservative and Beck is a fraud for sure. Ever see his crying theatrics? He breaks down saying how he loves his country and he fears for it, but comes across so crass and fake like MattyK said only a person with half a brain could go for his schtick. I remember when in Feb '08 he thought all Ron Paul folks should be put in those camps they supposedly have up, and after Obama won he had Paul on his show many times a week to talk about real conservatism and tried to say he never really was for Bush, when that is all he did from 2001-2008 was suck up to Bush. Guy is a fraud and hypocrite

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[quote=saden1;571313]Welcome to the asshole club Joe, though I must confess that I am a little concerned that you'd show up in [URL="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1113/1477607158_01c5c1212b.jpg"]wrestling tights[/URL] on the first day.[/quote]

Nice of you, the founding member, to welcome me.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;571158]No one is obligated to cooperate with the police. THE 5TH AMENDMENT[/quote]

I don't see in here anything about not being obligated to cooperate with the police.

Listen, no one has to do anything, including cooperate with John Q. Law, but if you're black, white, green, or purple, and you start yelling at a cop and acting belligerent, chances are you're going to jail for disorderly.

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Not to long ago one of my co-workers thought it was perfectly fine and legal to cuss out a police officer. I said it was obstruction of justice in her situation. In the professor's situation, (dropping f-bombs, and saying things about the cops mother in front of God and everyone on his front lawn), then I would say it's disturbing the peace. We had a heated discussion about cussing out cops. Someone asked my supervisor what he thought. He said, "Try it and see what happens."

As for the man who spent an entire week talking about his own ass, I have to turn him off from time to time. Make no mistake about it, Glen, as well as most of conservative talk radio recognize the creeping socialism and fascism that has crept into our system over the years. As Jonah Goldberg would say, "it's Fascism with a smiley face."

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;571381]As Jonah Goldberg would say, "it's Fascism with a smiley face."[/quote]

I think there are a lot of reasons why people should be concerned with Obama's policies. For example, some reasonably suggest that we could be facing massive inflation within the next few years. However, people who think Obama is fascist and invoke images of 1930s-style dictatorships don't have a good grasp of history. But, I suppose, in today's politics, no one listens unless you are slinging inflammatory accusations and calling "the other guy" Hitler, Stalin, or Skeletor.

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Mods, I find Glenn Beck to be a fascist, hege...maniac of the first order, and insulting to me! Please lock this thread!
---Pineapple Jesus..........
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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;571850]I think there are a lot of reasons why people should be concerned with Obama's policies. For example, some reasonably suggest that we could be facing massive inflation within the next few years. However, people who think Obama is fascist and invoke images of 1930s-style dictatorships don't have a good grasp of history. But, I suppose, in today's politics, no one listens unless you are slinging inflammatory accusations and calling "the other guy" Hitler, Stalin, or Skeletor.[/quote]

I take it you didn't read the book?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism]Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

When the government takes over the auto industry and then gives rebates to buy new cars from that same industry, I'd call it fascism. Call it what you will, it isn't capitalism.

Franco's fascist dictatorship lasted longer than the 30-40s. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco]Francisco Franco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

When the government mandates that I get health insurance, whether I want it or not, it's authoritarian.

Fascism, Communism, Progressives, Socialists, Nazism, Liberals . . . . They're all the same leftist a**holes to me.

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NO!

[quote=Mattyk72;570798]please don't tell me anyone with half a brain takes this guy seriously[/quote]

Here here Mattyk72! Unfortunately for us all many do.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;571177]Cooperated: Showed ID I live here mystery solved. Come outside what's the due process? Why come outside? This is America! come outside for what?

Charges dropped not reasonable. Police chase criminals, no criminals here.

Professionalism: unpleasasnt law abiding citizen, oh well time to go to Dunkin Doughnuts. Charges dropped, I arrested a person who did not commit a crime. This is America!! Stupid stupid stupid. Besides Ogeltree promised statements from individuals who have dealt with Crowely before with similar results. Obama tells Ogletree chill out let it go. Dr. Gates you need to chill too.[/quote]

The cop was looking at two men and at the time only knew there was a report of two men breaking into a home. He asked them to step out side for his protection and thats when Gates got offended. From there Gates got hi attitude going and would not listen to the cop and through out the race card. All he had to do was to go outside on the deck (two of them one cop) and then they could have resolved the issue. Both parties could have done things different but saying its all on the cop is just not fair.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;571180]Its a non-issue but a good distraction for the John Mccain hating wing of the Republican party who desperately needed something racial to highlight Obama is not like you to the American masses. CRedskinsrule I see your points. Now we can move on.[/quote]

If the right needed a racial thing to highlight Obama Rev. Wright has provided plenty of them. If I'm correct it was Gate's who brought up the race issue.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;571327]I consider myself a libertarian leaning conservative and Beck is a fraud for sure. Ever see his crying theatrics? He breaks down saying how he loves his country and he fears for it, but comes across so crass and fake like MattyK said only a person with half a brain could go for his schtick. I remember when in Feb '08 he thought all Ron Paul folks should be put in those camps they supposedly have up, and after Obama won he had Paul on his show many times a week to talk about real conservatism and tried to say he never really was for Bush, when that is all he did from 2001-2008 was suck up to Bush. Guy is a fraud and hypocrite[/quote]

Well from your post you must follow him to know what his show has been about for all those years.