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[quote=SFREDSKIN;577036]I think Rosenfelds will get the starting job after Favre starts to throw interceptions all over the place. He's no better than a backup at this stage of his career.[/quote]

Rosenfels wasn't even leading in the competition with Jackson. Nothing indicates that he'll start for them, particularly not with Favre on the team.

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[quote=GMScud;576993]
Now he enters his time in Minnesota with an air of superiority. The guys in that locker room are friends with Sage and Tavaris, and have been working their butts off side by side with them in training camp. Now comes this old diva, who with no preparation or work whatsoever will unseat the other two QBs and simply fall into the starting lineup. Shitty for chemistry IMO.[/quote]


fantastic post, i agree wholeheartedly. is the wr core just supposed to invent some sort of chemistry with favre in the next two weeks?

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[quote=GMScud;576993]Exactly. Not only was he dishonest and deceitful about his intentions, he was a total puss about it too- skipping out on camp and a chance to get to know his new teammates knowing damn well he was gonna sign anyway.

Now he enters his time in Minnesota with an air of superiority. The guys in that locker room are friends with Sage and Tavaris, and have been working their butts off side by side with them in training camp. Now comes this old diva, who with no preparation or work whatsoever will unseat the other two QBs and simply fall into the starting lineup. Shitty for chemistry IMO.

I can't stand Favre anymore. It's a shame. I used to love the guy. I'm not gonna lie, I hope he falls falt on his face with this comeback attempt. He needs to go away.[/quote]

If he gives them abetter chance at winning the other players will not give a dang who is playing QB. I'd say give Brett a few weeks an it will be obvious who is the better of the three.

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[quote=johno;577042]fantastic post, i agree wholeheartedly. is the wr core just supposed to invent some sort of chemistry with favre in the next two weeks?[/quote]

On the other hand, if they all gel, does that imply chemistry is overblown as a reason for success/failure of qb-wr tandems?

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A couple of things.

#1 - I hate the Favre drama just as much as anyone, but if I'm a Vikes fan I love this move. Rosenfels and Jackson are both unproven scrubs and regardless of who won the job between these two the Vikes would have been saddled with mediocre QB play all year.

#2 - There is a big difference between Favre going to the Jets last year and going to the Vikes this year. With the Vikes he is very familiar with their offensive schemes and terminology, the learning curve will be little to none as compared to last year where he was in a completely different offense.

#3 - I don't buy that this is bad for team chemistry. I think there are plenty of guys in that locker room that were pulling for this move and knew all along it was eventually going to happen. I doubt that anyone in that locker room is truly surprised today.

#4 - Regardless of his late season struggles which were more due to injury than anything else last year, the guy can still get it done and at a higher level than the likes of Rosenfels and Jackson.

#5 - Thank god this doesn't involve the Redskins. Was it Florio that floated the retarded Favre to the Redskins rumor?

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Its Brett Favre, if Green Bay's front office ever gave shit when he was there, all those years of passing up on great talent never giving him the peaces to have a real chance at winning thats there fault. Brett is a winner and u can't hate him for just wanting be with a winning organization, he still has some gas in the tank. Last year Green Bay still was dictating were he could go, now with the release from the Jets he is free to do what he wants. Brett was more than loyal to Green Bay u really cant say that for them.

The Vikings Im sure they gave Brett this extra time to rest his arm after his surgery. There a lot of vets in the league that dont want to participate in the off-season. He being a Diva maybe, but when he is on the field u cant say he doesnt give his all.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d811fbd93/Favre-has-returned]NFL Videos: Favre has returned[/url]

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The vikes may have a pretty solid playoff caliber roster, but Farve can streak shoot his team into or out of a game pretty quickly. I just can't see him playing really well late in the season unless somehow he's rested during the year, and I don't see how that happends unless he's hurt.

If we get a shot at them in the playoffs I see D. Hall catching the last pass of his career.

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[quote=Mattyk72;577049]A couple of things.

#1 - I hate the Favre drama just as much as anyone, but if I'm a Vikes fan I love this move. Rosenfels and Jackson are both unproven scrubs and regardless of who won the job between these two the Vikes would have been saddled with mediocre QB play all year.

#2 - There is a big difference between Favre going to the Jets last year and going to the Vikes this year. With the Vikes he is very familiar with their offensive schemes and terminology, the learning curve will be little to none as compared to last year where he was in a completely different offense.

#3 - I don't buy that this is bad for team chemistry. I think there are plenty of guys in that locker room that were pulling for this move and knew all along it was eventually going to happen. I doubt that anyone in that locker room is truly surprised today.

[B]#4 - Regardless of his late season struggles which were more due to injury than anything else last year, the guy can still get it done and at a higher level than the likes of Rosenfels and Jackson.[/B]

#5 - Thank god this doesn't involve the Redskins. Was it Florio that floated the retarded Favre to the Redskins rumor?[/quote]

So you think a 40 year old that hasn't trained all off season, hasn't been to any of the off season stuff, hasn't throw to any of the Viks wr can walk on an NFL team and be better than Rosenfels? I'm not so sure about that. The last two years in the latter part of the season his numbers are horrible, which shows he either isn't there mentally or physicaly or both.

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Favre is definitely better than Rosenfels/Jackson, at his age does he really need offseason camps? He knows the offense, I'm sure he's kept in shape, toss him out there.

Guess we'll see for sure, the Vikes are starting him this week.

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A few thoughts

- This is not a media driven story, it's a Favre driven story.

- It's a big story that needs to be covered. We're not talking about Quincy Carter making a comeback. It's Brett Favre

- That said, where's the outcry (from both media and fans) about how Vikings management/coaching staff has handled this? Fans here were lambasting the Redskins front office for making an offer this spring for an in-his-prime, proven QB. The Vikings traded a 4th rounder for a solid, but not spectacular QB; had their veterans call Favre asking him to come back, and ultimately signed (to a big contract) a proven but way past his prime Favre. Yet all the criticism seems to be on Favre.

- Someone mentioned Favre just wants to play for a winner. Maybe, but when I think winning organizations Vikings doesn't roll off the tongue.

- I thought Favre would actually skip all of preseason, but I think he'll do ok for the Vikings. He won't take them much further than they've gone in recent years in my opinion

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IMHO this move makes the Vikes an instant contender for the whole enchilada. Don't tell me about Favre and the Jets. Different system than he ran for umpteen years and he didn't have the best RB in the game w/ a very solid backup, a top tier defense and some solid coaching in place. Favre walks in like he's been a Viking for over a decade and turns them into the NFC favorite to make the SB.

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Ochocinco's response to all this was pretty funny. Saying his new TD celebration was to retire and then come back "After every TD I'm calling it quits"

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ESPN did a thing today and literally read off all the starting QB's in the NFL. And honestly, I must admit, I would take Favre over about 50%.
Although, this yearly ritual makes me..............ill

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[quote=skindeep;577050]Its Brett Favre, if Green Bay's front office ever gave shit when he was there, all those years of passing up on great talent never giving him the peaces to have a real chance at winning thats there fault. Brett is a winner and u can't hate him for just wanting be with a winning organization, he still has some gas in the tank. Last year Green Bay still was dictating were he could go, now with the release from the Jets he is free to do what he wants. Brett was more than loyal to Green Bay u really cant say that for them.

The Vikings Im sure they gave Brett this extra time to rest his arm after his surgery. There a lot of vets in the league that dont want to participate in the off-season. He being a Diva maybe, but when he is on the field u cant say he doesnt give his all.[/quote]lol. unheralded players =/= bad players. Donald Driver was productive for almost all of his time there at GB and still is even at the age of 34.

He was ticked off they handed the keys to Aaron Rodgers and then didn't give them back to him by default.

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Donald Driver thats it.

Brett had the orginal set of keys, Rodgers had the spare set.

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Listening to his presser now. I think he's being disingenuous when saying this isn't about revenge. Bull puckey!

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[quote=12thMan;577146]Listening to his presser now. I think he's being disingenuous when saying this isn't about revenge. Bull puckey![/quote]

Favre disingenuous? No way! That's never happened before! :)

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[quote=Lotus;576949]If he does sign with the Vikes, I'm pretty sure that he will play poorly, embarrass himself, and tarnish his reputation, especially with Green Bay folks. What a foolish man he is.[/quote]

He was 21-6 before he hurt his arm last year. If he's healthy, the Vikes are an instant contender. He'll have a better running game than he ever had and as good a defense. The Packers game will be must see tv.

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[quote=44Deezel;577151][b]He was 21-6 before he hurt his arm last year.[/b] If he's healthy, the Vikes are an instant contender. He'll have a better running game than he ever had and as good a defense. The Packers game will be must see tv.[/quote]


He was 12-20 before his 13-3 season in GB don't forget.

PS- if you're injured and you're a detriment to the team, you sit!!!! Do what's best for the team. The fact that he lost 4 of 5 to end his season last year speaks just as loudly as the 21-6 before that.

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And at his age there is no guarantee that his arm has healed enough to make it through an entire season.

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Don't have an opinion on Favre. He doesn't change the Vikings as a team over Tavaris Jackson (with Rosenfels probably being the only scheme fit in the bunch). Knowing the offense should help a bundle, but developing that thought any future would be getting too close to caring.

Favre's consecutive starts streak ends in Week 7, Vikings finish 8-8.

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[quote=12thMan;577146]Listening to his presser now. I think he's being disingenuous when saying this isn't about revenge. Bull puckey![/quote]

I agree 100%

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[quote=skindeep;577145]Donald Driver thats it.

Brett had the orginal set of keys, Rodgers had the spare set.[/quote]Lol, the only seasons the Packer offense had bad years aside from in the Favre era except for Favre's first year were 2005 and 2006 in terms of points scored. They made the playoffs 2001-2004, and 2007. Ahman Green was productive before the injury bug hit him in 2005, he had Bubba Franks, he had Willie Henderson, Rivera, just to name a few.

Also, they also had TWO draft picks that year invested on QBs and that Matt Flynn dude is turning out to be a stud.

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I do have an opinion on the Vikings, though. Remember how the Redskins are the league's only team who only finds quality players at exorbinant prices developed by someone else?

[B]Washington Redskins, imported major 2009 contributors (projected)[/B]: Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Antwaan Randle El, Albert Haynesworth, Corneilius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, Andre Carter, London Fletcher, DeAngelo Hall [B]= 11[/B]
[B]
Minnesota Vikings, imported major 2009 contributors (projected)[/B]: Brett Favre, Sage Rosenfels, Chester Taylor, Bernard Berrian, Bobby Wade, Viscante Shiancoe, Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Pat Williams, Ben Leber, Antoine Winfield, Karl Paymah, Madieu Williams [B]= 13[/B]

Looks like there's a new "quick fix" sheriff in town. And isn't Brett Favre the ultimate quick fix?

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Here's an idea for Brett Favre. Next year instead of pondering retirement, then retiring, then thinking about unretiring three months into your retirement, then holding the media hostage for two weeks while you pick the pedals off your stay retired - unretire rose, only to stay retired, then three weeks later unretire and sign a contract with your formerly hated rival, why doesn't he just tell the Vikings he'll be going on a hiatus until about week 2 of the preseason to avoid all that b.s.? I'm sure they'll be understanding.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;577170]Lol, the only seasons the Packer offense had bad years aside from in the Favre era except for Favre's first year were 2005 and 2006 in terms of points scored. They made the playoffs 2001-2004, and 2007. Ahman Green was productive before the injury bug hit him in 2005, he had Bubba Franks, he had Willie Henderson, Rivera, just to name a few.[/quote]

I got you bro, the only thing Im saying is The Packers Front Office passed up on players like Randy Moss. If I rember Favre lobbied to get him but New England got him instead and we know how that turned out. And thats when Favre was steel able to be a game changer. Now if you can just imagine on the other talent that they passed up on. The biggest name that got through FA was Charles Woodson and he is a DB.

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What was funny to me was that Favre mentioned now that he thinks he has two years left. Really?? Two years now? Where were those two years when the Packers went with Rodgers and you "retired?" Where were those two years when you "retired" from the Jets earlier this year?

What a joke. This is and always has been about sticking it to the Pack. As soon as he gets himself into the Viking uniform, suddenly he's got a few years left in the tank?? Paaaa-thetic. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in La La Land.

Minnesota, good luck with your 40 year old QB with a torn rotator cuff who is too wimpy to deal with training camp. You've got a bald faced liar of a head coach, and a money grubbing, grudge holding jerk of an old man QB.

If anyone saw Mark Schlereth on SportsCenter tonight, he pretty much echoes the way I feel about Favre and Childress at this point.

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I'm tired of hearing about Brett Favre. The guy should just retire. All he did was hold out from two-a-day training camp. His skills have declined. It's a joke that the Vikings would go with this guy. They need a long term solution at quarterback to go with their stud running back, Adrian Peterson. If I were a Viking fan, I would be pissed off.

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Funny everyone is tired hearing and talking about Brett but they keep posting and reading this thread. Its his life and he is free to do what he feels best for him and his family.

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[quote=jdlea;577038]Rosenfels wasn't even leading in the competition with Jackson. Nothing indicates that he'll start for them, particularly not with Favre on the team.[/quote]

Jackson is a failed experiment, he had several chances to take over the role already.

They invested a lot of $ in Rosenfels, so he won't go anywhere.

For some reason, they love John David Booty, so he'll stick around for the future.

I think they'll trade Tavaris Jackson, unless for some dumb reason they want to waste a roster spot and carry 4 QBs.


Maybe they can package some players together with Jackson and get Brandon Marshall.

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[quote=Buster;577245]Jackson is a failed experiment, he had several chances to take over the role already.[/quote]

I think TJ made significant strides last year, his biggest problem really was that he couldn't stay healthy

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[quote=skindeep;577187]I got you bro, the only thing Im saying is The [B]Packers Front Office passed up on players like Randy Moss. If I rember Favre lobbied to get him[/B] but New England got him instead and we know how that turned out. And thats when Favre was steel able to be a game changer. Now if you can just imagine on the other talent that they passed up on. The biggest name that got through FA was Charles Woodson and he is a DB.[/quote]

There's always a good chance that players "lobbying" for other players, ends w/some animosity on the players end. After all, these guys are paid to play, not sign players.

I think Moss in NE is a hindsight 20/20 deal. Most teams weren't willing to give up much if anything for him, he only went for a 4th round pick. The Packers drafted a very good wr in Brandon Jennings & he became a star w/Farve at qb. D. Driver has been very good for years.

Farve can't complain about the Packers personel decisions IMO. Sure, they slipped last year but their defense can rebound w/the new 3-4 this year, and they've been a solid team for a while now, not just because of Farve.

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The Moss situation was basically the beginning of the end. Didn't Favre immediately ask for a trade that draft weekend? He changed his mind but that was the start of it

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[quote=SmootSmack;577268]The Moss situation was basically the beginning of the end. Didn't Favre immediately ask for a trade that draft weekend? He changed his mind but that was the start of it[/quote]

Your right that was the turning point.

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[quote=Buster;577245]Jackson is a failed experiment, he had several chances to take over the role already.

They invested a lot of $ in Rosenfels, so he won't go anywhere.

For some reason, they love John David Booty, so he'll stick around for the future.

I think they'll trade Tavaris Jackson, unless for some dumb reason they want to waste a roster spot and carry 4 QBs.


Maybe they can package some players together with Jackson and get Brandon Marshall.[/quote]

Mike Mayock??? Is that you?

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He looked like shit last night. I know he only play a few plays but the lack of working out and off season program is going to catch up w/ him. No way does a 40 year old just show up w/ no off season work and think he's going to play well in the NFL. Rosenfels better stay ready.

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[quote=skinsfan69;578110]He looked like shit last night. I know he only play a few plays but the lack of working out and off season program is going to catch up w/ him. No way does a 40 year old just show up w/ no off season work and think he's going to play well in the NFL. Rosenfels better stay ready.[/quote]

he still gets $6Million dollars :doh:

what a joke

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Green Bay fans have begun to turn on Favre. Check out this t-shirt, complete with photo of former Redskin Mark Murphy:
[url=http://sconnie.com/view_item&id=137]Sconnie Nation - We'll Never Forget You Brent[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;578116]Green Bay fans have begun to turn on Favre. Check out this t-shirt, complete with photo of former Redskin Mark Murphy:
[url=http://sconnie.com/view_item&id=137]Sconnie Nation - We'll Never Forget You Brent[/url][/quote]

Can't say I blame them. Would we like Portis if he decided to retire, just to turn around and sign with Dallas to try to "stick it to us"?