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Yeah everybody on here that said Vick would be washed up post-prison are certainly being proven wrong right now...

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The President of Peta

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[quote=The Trigga;577124][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAWp9JqTOA&feature=related]YouTube - Kblaze-Randall Cunningham[/url][/quote]

BIG DEAL... Says McNabb
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wk0FTF0-eo&playnext=1&list=PL9FDFC08B39E12825&index=81]YouTube - Mcnabb scramble and heave[/ame]

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That clip above is almost sad. Looking at how great McNabb used to be, and what he is now.....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;775926]Yeah everybody on here that said Vick would be washed up post-prison are certainly being proven wrong right now...[/quote]

True. I don't know that I ever said he was "washed up" per se, but at the same time, who on here (or anywhere) predicted that after his 09 season he would become an MVP candidate, or even a top 10 qb in 2010? If anyone here did predict that then they really have a crystal ball.

I am happy for him, just hate that he is w/the iggles. I think it's been pretty well acknowledged that after last year no team in the nfl foresaw him being this good.

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I am not sold on Vick yet. Great so far, let's see how he does in the postseason and next year.

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Vick still took the Falcons to the NFC Championship game on his back and beat Brett Farve in Green Bay. I've never in my life seen a more explosive QB. I was soooo lucky to see Vick play in college. Any of you guys every witnessed this man at VT it was a sight to see.

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Hell, he was with the first three pros on Pros v/s Joes that lost to the Joes after the 09 season.

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Randall had a sweet fade. And he could throw the ball to the pylon pretty well too.

The 80 yard punt was awesome.

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[quote=hooskins;775966]I am not sold on Vick yet. Great so far, let's see how he does in the postseason and next year.[/quote]

Yup, the corner blitz has slowed his greatness down a lot. He hasn't looked so awesome the last 5 games.

I am still jealous of my brother's friend who bought Vick's Sugar Bowl ring for $3000 before the season and is now having offers of $10,000. He still is trying to get in touch with Vick though to see if he wants to buy it back.

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[quote=steveherrin;776014]Yup, the corner blitz has slowed his greatness down a lot. He hasn't looked so awesome the last 5 games.

I am still jealous of my brother's friend who bought Vick's Sugar Bowl ring for $3000 before the season and is now having offers of $10,000. He still is trying to get in touch with Vick though to see if he wants to buy it back.[/quote];;

Because he has a bad offensive line........ did yall forget that? Jeez, if that was any other slew footed QB he be eating his teeth....... from the beating.... Just some Good ole boy haters out their.............

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It's safe to say that thewarpath.net QB prognosticators (including me) should just stop trying to forecast who's going to be a good QB or not. I remember a majority of the posters saying Josh Freeman was a terrible QB, that Brady Quinn and Matt Leinert will be better than Vince Young, that Michael Vick will never be Randall Cunningham, Jimmy Clausen was the most NFL ready QB (me). Sigh...

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Tell you what Vick is - in the playoffs, pro bowl if not heading to super bowl, heading to the superbowl if not to the pro bowl, all after being injured and missing a couple of games. And people are still on the fence- lol.

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Vick also lit us up on national television this year. But Redskin fans are saying how terrible Vick is.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;776375]It's safe to say that thewarpath.net QB prognosticators (including me) should just stop trying to forecast who's going to be a good QB or not. I remember a majority of the posters saying Josh Freeman was a terrible QB, that Brady Quinn and Matt Leinert will be better than Vince Young, that Michael Vick will never be Randall Cunningham, Jimmy Clausen was the most NFL ready QB (me). Sigh...[/quote]

Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart are still better than Vince Young. Vince Young's owner just liked him more. Tell you what, bring this subject up in about 3-4 more years.

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[quote=Angry;776413][B]Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart are still better than Vince Young. [/B]Vince Young's owner just liked him more. Tell you what, bring this subject up in about 3-4 more years.[/quote]

How can you justify that statement? Brady Quinn has done nothing in the league whatsoever, and Leinart has been a colossal bust. Vince Young is a head case and has been kind of up and down, but he's still got a 30-17 record as a starter, has been to a pro-bowl, won offensive rookie of the year, and has looked like a high-level starter at times.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Vince Young fan, but I think he's a way better quarterback and athlete than Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart.

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[quote=GMScud;776423]How can you justify that statement? Brady Quinn has done nothing in the league whatsoever, and Leinart has been a colossal bust. Vince Young is a head case and has been kind of up and down, but he's still got a 30-17 record as a starter, has been to a pro-bowl, won offensive rookie of the year, and has looked like a high-level starter at times.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Vince Young fan, but I think he's a way better quarterback and athlete than Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart.[/quote]


GD it! I had a long and thoughtful response to post and I lost it.

In a nutshell

Leinart was cut because the HC didn't like him, not for lack of ability. Matt Cassel was his backup's backup at one time. He will have to step in sometime and will turn some heads.

Quinn is in the wrong system an has been since college. As soon as someone puts him in the "Walsh" system; he will blossom. He may not have a cannon but he has everything else. It will be a tragedy if no one ever gives it a try.

VY on his best day is an option QB with 2 tools (speed and a cannon). Nobody in the NFL runs the option so do the math. He has none of the other necessary skills. VY has just had the benefit of having an owner that loved him.

Had Leinart and Quinn had as many opportunities as VY we wouldn't be having this conversation. Bookmark this page and give it 3-4 more years. One if not both will have proven their worth beyond that of VY.

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[quote=Angry;776434]GD it! I had a long and thoughtful response to post and I lost it.

In a nutshell

Leinart was cut because the HC didn't like him, not for lack of ability. Matt Cassel was his backup's backup at one time. He will have to step in sometime and will turn some heads.

Quinn is in the wrong system an has been since college. As soon as someone puts him in the "Walsh" system; he will blossom. He may not have a cannon but he has everything else. It will be a tragedy if no one ever gives it a try.

VY on his best day is an option QB with 2 tools (speed and a cannon). Nobody in the NFL runs the option so do the math. He has none of the other necessary skills. VY has just had the benefit of having an owner that loved him.

Had Leinart and Quinn had as many opportunities as VY we wouldn't be having this conversation. Bookmark this page and give it 3-4 more years. One if not both will have proven their worth beyond that of VY.[/quote]

I hear what you're saying, but your argument is putting more weight on potential/speculation than actual accomplishments.

I'd be surprised if Leinart or Quinn ever amount to anything but backups in the NFL. Tim Tebow had way more doubters coming out of college than Brady Quinn, and Quinn never even came close to surpassing him on the depth chart this year despite a few more years of NFL experience. And as long as Schaub is healthy, Leinart will never see the field in Houston.

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Shanahan and Co should at least give Leinart a look this offseason. Though as I understand it the team has a limit of two reclamation projects per season and Smith seems to be the guy, which is fine but the fact of the matter is Leinart knows our offense.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;776463]Shanahan and Co should at least give Leinart a look this offseason. Though as I understand it the team has a limit of two reclamation projects per season and Smith seems to be the guy, which is fine but the fact of the matter is Leinart knows our offense.[/quote]

Smith? Alex Smith?

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Where Michael Vick won't be.....In the Superbowl.

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[quote=warpaint;776494]Where Michael Vick won't be.....In the Superbowl.[/quote]

:lol: Haaaaa haaa haaaa!!!! Good. Suck the loss. Eat donkey cock, eagirls.

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[quote=warpaint;776494]Where Michael Vick won't be.....In the Superbowl.[/quote]

This is what you get with Vick, a nice QB during the regular season but the inaccurate passing just doesnt cut it in the playoffs.

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[quote=warpaint;776494]Where Michael Vick won't be.....In the Superbowl.[/quote]
....LOL....bingo!

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[quote=warpaint;776494]Where Michael Vick won't be.....In the Superbowl.[/quote]

Bad karma lasts......forever

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Now at least we can stop hearing about what wonderful guy M. Vick really is. Don't worry though, the M. Vick LoveTrain will ride again next year.

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So tired of the Vick hype... glad they lost

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I'm glad they lost cause its the iggles, but I didn't want Vick to lose like that.

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some of the hype was justified but unreal.. the philly bandwagon was insane.. people were coming in asking for Vick jerseys that didn't even know who DeSean Jackson or Jeremy Maclin were

I'm glad because it was the Eagles, not so much cuz it was Vick

it shows you his limitations though, the past few weeks really have

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[quote=freddyg12;776592]I'm glad they lost cause its the iggles, but I didn't want Vick to lose like that.[/quote]
must be a Tech fan, same here

I got really tired of hearing the "Vick deserves to be here" talk though. They really turned him into the victim. You can say "Vick deserves to be here" if he was shot or something innocently and bounced back to be here... otherwise the best you can do is "good for Vick working his way back." The talk of deserving it was disgusting imo

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[quote=warpaint;776494]Where Michael Vick won't be.....In the Superbowl.[/quote]

And yet he went further than the Redskins. 1st year back and in the Play offs and the Pro Bowl, not bad. Wish he was here.

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[quote=44ever;776597]And yet he went further than the Redskins. 1st year back and in the Play offs and the Pro Bowl, not bad. Wish he was here.[/quote]

Go look up some toe pictures. You might as well jump all the way on their bandwagon and do it right.

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Questions still remain about Vick's ability to produce consistently from the pocket. GB revealed an effective plan of defense that was obvious from the very first offensive snap for the Eagles.

Maybe it's time to slightly chill on the flick of Vick's bic, for the most part GB made him look average, though his quad injury could have been more troublesome than we know. JH take notes so we'll never again have to stare down a 59-28 at the hands of MV.

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I do think his quad hindered him. Take away his legs and he's suddenly mortal. That and I think defenses caught up with him a bit as the season went on.

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[quote=tryfuhl;776594]must be a Tech fan, same here

I got really tired of hearing the "Vick deserves to be here" talk though. They really turned him into the victim. You can say "Vick deserves to be here" if he was shot or something innocently and bounced back to be here... otherwise the best you can do is "good for Vick working his way back." The talk of deserving it was disgusting imo[/quote]

yep, I'm a Hokie, though I know plenty of Hokies that in the last couple years became Vick haters & remain so.

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[quote=Mattyk;776614]I do think his quad hindered him. Take away his legs and he's suddenly mortal. That and I think defenses caught up with him a bit as the season went on.[/quote]

I agree...he did however, have an amazing run considering this was his first full year running the offense. It may become necessary for him to adjust his game to where he does not run as much, the cumulative effect from the many hits he took during the season obviously took their toll.

Just how effective would Vick be as a QB without that gifted ability to be mobile? He has problems with [the slide] so durability is going to be an ever present issue for him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;776611]Questions still remain about Vick's ability to produce consistently from the pocket. GB revealed an effective plan of defense that was obvious from the very first offensive snap for the Eagles.

Maybe it's time to slightly chill on the flick of Vick's bic, for the most part GB made him look average, though his quad injury could have been more troublesome than we know. JH take notes so we'll never again have to stare down a 59-28 at the hands of MV.[/quote]

I was telling my wife last night that if Vick is re-signed by the iggles, we haven't seen the end of the Vick-Kolb rotation. Vick will get hurt, he always does. Kolb will come in & play well & Reid will have to make a decision just like he did this year. Eventually, Vick may get flat out benched. I can see that happening in the next couple years. He put together a great season & I'm happy for him, but I really think he'll have a much harder time keeping the starting job from day 1, he's unllikely to have a year like this again w/so few interceptions & fumbles.

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[quote=tryfuhl;776594]I got really tired of hearing the "Vick deserves to be here" talk though. [B]They really turned him into the victim[/B]. You can say "Vick deserves to be here" if he was shot or something innocently and bounced back to be here... [B]otherwise the best you can do is "good for Vick working his way back." The talk of deserving it was disgusting imo[/B][/quote]

Preach on brother.

As for those saying take away Vick's running game and he is mortal, agree 100%. He made strides, I think, as a pocket passer this year and is now about average in that regard (as opposed his prior years where, w/out his legs he was near useless as a passer). Not sure he will ever be more than that, could be. Certainly, his arm is still top notch.

As they say, you can't coach speed. He's (still) got the physical abilities and the question is whether or not they will stay with him long enough for him to learn how to be a more complete QB. Not sure.

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[quote=44ever;776597]And yet he went further than the Redskins. 1st year back and in the Play offs and the Pro Bowl, not bad. Wish he was here.[/quote]
2nd year back.

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[quote=freddyg12;776623]I was telling my wife last night that if Vick is re-signed by the iggles, we haven't seen the end of the Vick-Kolb rotation. Vick will get hurt, he always does. Kolb will come in & play well & Reid will have to make a decision just like he did this year. Eventually, Vick may get flat out benched. I can see that happening in the next couple years. He put together a great season & I'm happy for him, but I really think he'll have a much harder time keeping the starting job from day 1, he's unllikely to have a year like this again w/so few interceptions & fumbles.[/quote]

Thought I heard Kolb is demanding a trade if he's not starting. Not that that means the Eagles were oblige of course