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[quote=SBXVII;585725][B]1st point: [/B]I'm not sure why that would be? Rocks RB skills are no better then the TTB. In other words he has no skills on offense as a RB. All of his knowledge and ability is on ST's which Mason sucks at. He should not feel threatened cause no one has proven they can actually challenge him for the job. I think we can all agree that Portis, Betts, and Cartwright are not the future. Only cause they all are almost 30y/o. They will not be on this team much longer. If your only good at one thing then you better be damn good at the one thing. He should be happy he is. He's never going to be the #1 back of any team. Move on Rock. [/quote]
Rock will survive. He's the special teams cockroach only more likeable

[quote][B]2nd point: [/B]Yes he has been steady for several yrs now....like 6 to be exact. He steadily gets us to the 20 or 30yrd line every KR. No further. Unless the other team has a crappy Kicker. I also think it's partly the scheme or blocking. [/quote] He consistently makes good decisions, and keeps us away from the goal line.

[quote][B]3rd point: [/B]I think it all depends on what list your looking at? Yes he was 6th or 7th in total yrds, but if you look at yrds per carry he's tied at 22nd with 25.6 yrds per carry.[/quote]
I think it was pointed out before, that when you sort the list and get him as 22nd, you are including people with less then a minimum number of returns, like #4 on the list-Reuben Droughns, 1 return, 34 yds. Not really accurate for this discussion. But I would encourage you to sort that list by 40+ yard returns, and then compare his spot, and if you want to look further, look at where his 20+ returns put him with those who are tied for his spot when you sort that way. You might be surprised.

Paraphrasing MattyK Rock has griped before, but when he steps on the field he will give you everything he's got.


[quote]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=KICK_RETURNER&season=2008&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Player Position[/url][/quote]

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one other stat, if you sort the list by number of KR's 20+yds, Rock is number 4. Number 1 has 3 fumbles, Number 2 and 3 have 1 fumble, and you guessed it Rock has 0 fumbles.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585732]one other stat, if you sort the list by number of KR's 20+yds, Rock is number 4. Number 1 has 3 fumbles, Number 2 and 3 have 1 fumble, and you guessed it Rock has 0 fumbles.[/quote]

So....of the returners with 20+ returns last year, where does his average rank? And yeah, fumbles are pretty important....ask Alridge, lol.

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[quote=roth74va;585735]So....of the returners with 20+ returns last year, where does his average rank? And yeah, fumbles are pretty important....ask Alridge, lol.[/quote]

If I count right, he is 9th. There are 2 guys, one with 13, and one with 16 who are also above him, so I think it is safe to say he is in the top 3rd of the kickoff returners. I think that along with; with his #4 ranking in kickoff returns over 20yds, and no fumbles, and he is tied for the 10th spot in kickoff returns over 40 yds, and 7 of those guys (note 15 total including ties) did not have a TD return either - shows he is a top notch ST baller.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585732]one other stat, if you sort the list by number of KR's 20+yds, Rock is number 4. Number 1 has 3 fumbles, Number 2 and 3 have 1 fumble, and you guessed it Rock has 0 fumbles.[/quote]

Excellent points.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585731]Rock will survive. He's the special teams cockroach only more likeable

He consistently makes good decisions, and keeps us away from the goal line.


I think it was pointed out before, that when you sort the list and get him as 22nd, you are including people with less then a minimum number of returns, like #4 on the list-Reuben Droughns, 1 return, 34 yds. Not really accurate for this discussion. But I would encourage you to sort that list by 40+ yard returns, and then compare his spot, and if you want to look further, look at where his 20+ returns put him with those who are tied for his spot when you sort that way. You might be surprised.



Paraphrasing MattyK Rock has griped before, but when he steps on the field he will give you everything he's got.[/quote]

Totally agree with you. My point of putting the list up was to show that you can't always throw up stats unless you know what the stats are showing. I knew he was better then 22nd, but I would also say he doesn't get 40 yrds per carry. If you are looking at that stat there probably are only a few who have gotten 40yrds on one carry a yr. I would probably look at his average which is more to what he can do for you. Eliminate the others that only had one carry or two and keep the KR's that worked all season. Those numbers would be closer to his abilities.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585741]If I count right, he is 9th. There are 2 guys, one with 13, and one with 16 who are also above him, so I think it is safe to say he is in the top 3rd of the kickoff returners. I think that along with; with his #4 ranking in kickoff returns over 20yds, and no fumbles, and he is tied for the 10th spot in kickoff returns over 40 yds, and 7 of those guys (note 15 total including ties) did not have a TD return either - shows he is a top notch ST baller.[/quote]

Thanks for the stats, and Id have to agree, although I still dont like his sudden attitude. He has definetely earned his spot, but he acts like someone has cheated him, and I think thats way off. He is a 5'7 guy who started as a fullback, he has carved a nice niche for himself, but he needs to keep quiet and keep ballin!

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If you look at the list and start with #8 cause that is where the KR's start having a good number of carries and go down the list eliminating all the single digit runs Rock is 12th. Thats where I would put him only cause I think D.Smith's scheme sucks.

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Maybe if he even stepped up his game and started PRing he would get more carries.

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[quote=SBXVII;585754]If you look at the list and start with #8 cause that is where the KR's start having a good number of carries and go down the list eliminating all the single digit runs Rock is 12th. Thats where I would put him only cause I think D.Smith's scheme sucks.[/quote]

Well you are kinda playing numbers (i used 20+ carries, because that was the question, you used >9, which only adds 2 but drops him from top 10 to 11Tied, then you ignore the tie and just say he is 12th, even though with in the tie the stats aren't sorted by a secondary column),

Of the 4 guys who are tied for 11th:
1 guy has a 94 yd run, 28 20+ yard runs, 6 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a 93yd TD run, 27 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 88, 20 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 87, 38 20+ yard runs, 4 40+ yard runs

Which guy would you most want on your team based on these stats alone? play without peaking if you dare

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^^ remember the average per carry is the same for all 4

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585766]^^ remember the average per carry is the same for all 4[/quote]

Id go with #4, and the 10 additional carries of 20+. So who did I pick? :)

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That would have been Rock (I am curious, did you look?)

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[quote=diehard;585596]They both are capable backs. Cartwright is a solid return man. It would be unethical to have Mason leapfrog Cartwright if Portis or Betts goes down but, not unheard of. I never understood why Mason never worked out much returning punts and/or kickoffs. Hasn't Cartwright proven he's more than capable of spelling?[/quote]

Simple answer to this question. Hopefully you will figure it out. Tip Toe Burgular.

That is your answer...

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[quote=Mattyk72;585636]I'm not understanding this notion that he should just sit back and be happy with what he's got. He was a 7th rounder so he should be happy with simply being on the team.

Shouldn't we expect all of our players to strive to be better, to want the ball more, to want more playing time, to want a bigger role??

Not saying that complaining in the paper is the best route to go, but hey, the guy is upset and he is free to voice his opinion. If I recall he's been upset in the past over not having a bigger role, but in the end he sucks it up and goes out there and plays hard no matter what. I highly doubt this turns into a lingering issue.[/quote]

Yeah its okay for players to want to strive to be better. But he is almost 30 and he hasn't hit his stride yet?

As far as him getting upset. he should look in the mirror and ask himself why he coulnd't fill in for Portis & Betts when they were injured last season. Exactly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585761]Well you are kinda playing numbers (i used 20+ carries, because that was the question, you used >9, which only adds 2 but drops him from top 10 to 11Tied, then you ignore the tie and just say he is 12th, even though with in the tie the stats aren't sorted by a secondary column),

Of the 4 guys who are tied for 11th:
1 guy has a 94 yd run, 28 20+ yard runs, 6 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a 93yd TD run, 27 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 88, 20 20+ yard runs, 3 40+ yard runs
1 guy has a long of 87, 38 20+ yard runs, 4 40+ yard runs

Which guy would you most want on your team based on these stats alone? play without peaking if you dare[/quote]


can't chose a guy just on numbers alone. there are other things to consider like game situation (can he be counted on to carry the load or is he only good in mop up duty) can he be an every down back, can he pass block, can he catch the ball etc...

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As far as i'm concerned, Rock Cartwright is keeping alot of younger players from seeing the field and receiving the same chance he got when he joined this team. He should be grateful to have a job now because this time next year, he may not.

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[quote=GreekSkin;585680]This might shed some light on Masons role



[URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/08/fours-a-crowd-for-redskins/?page=2"]Four's a crowd for Redskins' backfield - Washington Times[/URL]

So in essence they feel he's someone who will be able to take that number 2 spot in the future and for right now he seems to be cover for Betts.[/quote]

[I][U]Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years[/U][/I], and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out.[B] I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people[/B]. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. [B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[B][COLOR=black]ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.[/COLOR][/B]

[B]Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: [/B]"Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [B][I][Shaun] Alexander[/I][/B] took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."

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Last season when Rock tested the waters in FA I thought he had an inflated opinion of his actual value, not only to the Redskins but to any other team. Maybe he feels he's gradually being phased out.

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[quote=wilsowilso;585718]You are now in the running for mindless post of the week. Well done![/quote]

I agree. Where has this guy been this whole preseason?..lol

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;585812][I][U]Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years[/U][/I], and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out.[B] I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people[/B]. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. [B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[B][COLOR=black]ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.[/COLOR][/B]

[B]Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: [/B]"Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [B][I][Shaun] Alexander[/I][/B] took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."[/quote]

Sorry but if we have to look at Mason to take the place of Betts or CP then we are in trouble. Plenty of guys will be coming out of the draft that can make an impact day one and not some scrub that cannot get on a team until now. Not sure why we kept him but we do not need to start building our new running core off Mason. I hope I'm wrong but there is a reason no other teams wanted him and if you look at his game stats they are zero.

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[quote=MCWHITEY;585715]Should've kept hackett. At least he knows how to catch and be in a position to catch the ball, unlike the blind (kelly) leading the blind (thomas)[/quote]

I didn't know you where on the board Hackett! Or did MCWHITEY just eat a MCDUMMY? :doh:

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;585812][I][U]Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years[/U][/I], and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out.[B] I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people[/B]. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. [B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[B][COLOR=black]ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.[/COLOR][/B]

[B]Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: [/B]"Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [B][I][Shaun] Alexander[/I][/B] took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."[/quote]

ya know, we were clearly having to discussions. the point of the discussion was Mason would not stay if we only kept 4RB's we kept 5 so that opened it up for Mason.
Now if he can prove he should replace Betts, great, but he's not replacing Rock or CP on the 45man gameday roster.

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I would have liked to see someone stand out and take Cartwight's job from him. He has been excellent returning kicks, but he is getting old and one dimensional.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;585821]I agree. Where has this guy been this whole preseason?..lol[/quote]

She's probably been waiting to hear you say something that makes sense!!

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[quote=firstdown;585835]Sorry but if we have to look at Mason to take the place of Betts or CP then we are in trouble. Plenty of guys will be coming out of the draft that can make an impact day one and not some scrub that cannot get on a team until now. Not sure why we kept him but we do not need to start building our new running core off Mason.[B] I hope I'm wrong but there is a reason no other teams wanted him and if you look at his game stats they are zero.[/quote][/B]

Yep, there sure is a reason. Has to do with 2 things people forget:

1) Other RB's already on the team ahead of him.
2) Other RB's that have been on the team and already know the playcalls.

Basically he was not going to play anywhere until he knew the playcalls and the offense. but we can skip over that and make it easy to just call him a camp scrub.

Also why are people so down on Mason when he's only one step behind Rock technically. Rock was a 7th round draft pick and he still has not measured up to being a RB yet. How about we hear some complaining about that camp scrub who can only make it on ST's cause he's not a good enough RB?

and....for the record, Portis and Betts were both 2nd round picks. Portis 51st and Betts 56th. :)

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[quote=T.O.Killa;585853]I would have liked to see someone stand out and take Cartwight's job from him. He has been excellent returning kicks, but he is getting old and one dimensional.[/quote]

You know unfortunatly I think they are now looking at Thomas for that roll. Just a feeling. Could be totally wrong.

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[quote=SBXVII;585887]You know unfortunatly I think they are now looking at Thomas for that roll. Just a feeling. Could be totally wrong.[/quote]
You might be right. We will see, but if Thomas becomes our returner, then Cartright's days will be numbered.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;585812][I][U]Cartwright has just 12 carries the last three years[/U][/I], and only injuries would allow him to get any work on offense.

Exactly!! This is what I've been trying to say forever only to get verbally jumped and cornered on this forum. We are building for the future with Betts/Rock (29) guys that are older than our starting RB? Seems I was a little more intelligent than those calling me a half-wit. Mason is a more tested RB. Dorsey could return but couldn't run. Alrdige had good speed by wasn't a good runner. Caught the ball well out of the backfield. Mason improved on his blocking. He is a good runner and a dependable pass catcher. He has improved over the years. Neither Rock or Betts are in our future plans. I would be suprised if either one of them is here next year. We will either draft a RB or sign one in free agency and Mason will take Betts place and Rock will be gone. We will have another RB in the fold next year to be CP's heir if Mason doesn't pan out.[B] I think Mason is going to suprise a lot of people[/B]. But saying that, this article is common sense. But now that you see the roster cuts and that Mason has made the team. It validates my point. [B][SIZE=4][COLOR=blue]I hope all the people that called me half wit are eating their crow right now.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[B][COLOR=black]ps. Rock shut up! Your lucky you are on the team.[/COLOR][/B]

[B]Running Back Coach - Stump Mitchell: [/B]"Last year, they couldn't practice during the course of the week, and [B][I][Shaun] Alexander[/I][/B] took all the reps but those two guys played in the game," he said. "It wouldn't be that way this year. If Mason takes all the reps, he would definitely take some carries."[/quote]

and....DMV, some of us understood what you were trying to say, even tried to help out. ;)

but man can you hold a grudge. :) for a half wit that is. ;)

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eh...i think 4 running backs is ridiculous myself, but i concede...somewhere we had to get some youth at the spot. 3 backs near 30 yrs old is never a recipe for success.
i can see us trading or parting ways with one of these guys soon

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Seems like Rock is settling down

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/smith-clarifies-cartwrights-ro.html]Redskins Insider - Smith Clarifies Cartwright's Role[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;585842]ya know, we were clearly having to discussions. the point of the discussion was Mason would not stay if we only kept 4RB's we kept 5 so that opened it up for Mason.
Now if he can prove he should replace Betts, great, but he's not replacing Rock or CP on the 45man gameday roster.[/quote]

Yeah that discussion also was if Mason was going to make the team. He did. Fin.

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[quote=SBXVII;585891]and....DMV, some of us understood what you were trying to say, even tried to help out. ;)

but man can you hold a grudge. :) for a half wit that is. ;)[/quote]

I know my fellow half wit.;). It isn't about holding a grudge. But some people think they know everything. throw out stats instead of having a decent debate. Thinking they know everything. ON this one I was right about them keeping Mason. I am still thinking I am right about Rock needing to go. But that will have to wait until next year. But now I am thinking either Rock or Betts could have been gone and we wouldn't miss a beat....But anyways.

Here is my next prediction. Most of the things I say are common sense. I dont let my feelings for a players cloud my vision for our "team's overall success"

Next year. We are going to draft a RB or get one in free agency and Rock & Betts will be gone.

Write it down..

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[quote=doughtydoubter;586009]eh...i think 4 running backs is ridiculous myself, but i concede...somewhere we had to get some youth at the spot. 3 backs near 30 yrs old is never a recipe for success.
i can see us trading or parting ways with one of these guys soon[/quote]

I have this notion also. I dont know how it is going to be done and win. But I think Betts & Rock are on the bubble this year. If we can get a trade for Betts (OL/LB) he will be gone with the wind.

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[I]"I talked to Rock today, and the first thing I told him was, 'No question, your major contribution is special teams. No doubt about that,'" Smith said. "You're a special-teams player. So if we go three active on Sunday, then it'll be Clinton, Ladell and Rock. So I told Rock he's really No. 3, because on game day we only have three.

"But let's say something happens to Clinton or Ladell. If they get hurt and can't play, Mason would come into that spot. It wouldn't be, all of a sudden, Rock is No. 2 and Mason is No. 3. That's just the way we explained it to him. But Rock is going to be active every week."

After speaking with Smith, Cartwright seemed to accept the situation. "I have to look at it like, 'What butters my bread?' And that's special teams," Cartwright said. "I'm satisfied with my role. I'm satisfied with having a job. I'm perfectly happy. I'm a special-teams guy and I'm here for the team." [/I]

Now thats more like it, I think he just got caught up in the heat of the moment. All of these guys are competitors, so I understand his frustration.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;586161]I know my fellow half wit.;). It isn't about holding a grudge. But some people think they know everything. throw out stats instead of having a decent debate. Thinking they know everything. ON this one I was right about them keeping Mason. I am still thinking I am right about Rock needing to go. But that will have to wait until next year. But now I am thinking either Rock or Betts could have been gone and we wouldn't miss a beat....But anyways.

Here is my next prediction. Most of the things I say are common sense. I dont let my feelings for a players cloud my vision for our "team's overall success"

[B]Next year. We are going to draft a RB or get one in free agency and Rock & Betts will be gone.[/B]

Write it down..[/quote]

I think the bigger issue here is...how's Clinton Portis going to deal with this.

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[quote=roth74va;586163][I]"I talked to Rock today, and the first thing I told him was, 'No question, your major contribution is special teams. No doubt about that,'" Smith said. "You're a special-teams player. So if we go three active on Sunday, then it'll be Clinton, Ladell and Rock. So I told Rock he's really No. 3, because on game day we only have three. [/I]

[I]"But let's say something happens to Clinton or Ladell. If they get hurt and can't play, Mason would come into that spot. It wouldn't be, all of a sudden, Rock is No. 2 and Mason is No. 3. That's just the way we explained it to him. But Rock is going to be active every week." [/I]

[I]After speaking with Smith, Cartwright seemed to accept the situation. "I have to look at it like, 'What butters my bread?' And that's special teams," Cartwright said. "I'm satisfied with my role. I'm satisfied with having a job. I'm perfectly happy. I'm a special-teams guy and I'm here for the team." [/I]

Now thats more like it, I think he just got caught up in the heat of the moment. All of these guys are competitors, so I understand his frustration.[/quote]

Can we get a new special teams coach? Shouldn't Rock know the special teams is his bread and butter since he doesn't do squat at RB. I think Danny Smith is a little touched. Rock is gone next year. Even if his spot was vacant. We didn't ahve to use it for mason. Since we kept 2 QB's. We could use it for a OL or LB. Something we need more than a one dimensional ST player. If we had Thomas returning kicks or anyone else for that matter. We could use Rock space to pick up another player we need on the OL or LB. I just am tired for this love fest. I love my team as a whole. Not as individuals. I have my favorite players of course. But if they are not producing. Then oh well.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;586168]Can we get a new special teams coach? Shouldn't Rock know the special teams is his bread and butter since he doesn't do squat at RB. I think Danny Smith is a little touched. Rock is gone next year. Even if his spot was vacant. We didn't ahve to use it for mason. Since we kept 2 QB's. We could use it for a OL or LB. Something we need more than a one dimensional ST player. If we had Thomas returning kicks or anyone else for that matter. We could use Rock space to pick up another player we need on the OL or LB. I just am tired for this love fest. I love my team as a whole. Not as individuals. I have my favorite players of course. But if they are not producing. Then oh well.[/quote]

So what u r saying is that you really really like Rock.

Re: Smoke Signals: Rock Cartwright needs to get over it edition
 

[quote=Ruhskins;586167]I think the bigger issue here is...how's Clinton Portis going to deal with this.[/quote]

I think Clinton knows he is getting older. I think he really only hopes to play liek 2 more years after this one. Thought I recalled him saying that last year or so in an interview. I may be wrong. Clinton will be fine. He lobbied for Mason last year. He knows he can't play forever. That's why I am so pissed with the Love fest for Rock and Betts. They are [B]BOTH OLDER THAN CP (29)[/B]. Then people are getting mad because we bring in Mason. We need youth at the RB position. How are both of your back-ups older than the starter. What does that hold for the future?

For Rock opening his mouth in that article and being unappreciative that we kept him and for betts non-production as well as Rock no producing at the RB spot and being a average KR. Both will be gone next year.

Re: Smoke Signals: Rock Cartwright needs to get over it edition
 

[quote=wilsowilso;586172]so what u r saying is that you really really like rock.[/quote]


lmao.