Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Ruhskins;586774]And we draft players like Chris Cooley, Samuels, Sean Taylor, and Brian Orakpo, so what's your point?[/quote]

And when their contracts come up, WE re-sign them. Tennessee and teams like them let those players walk and seem to have a younger, cheaper version ready to take their place. Capisce?

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=44Deezel;586823]And when their contracts come up, WE re-sign them. Tennessee and teams like them let those players walk and seem to have a younger, cheaper version ready to take their place. Capisce?[/quote]

That's not necessarily the case with the Titans...and, of course, should we let any players walk then that means we show no loyalty. But when other teams do, it's smart business.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;586811]The point is that Tennessee isn't known for splurging for free agents the way we are. It's not to say that we ignore the draft, just that we rely on the free agent market more than the Titans do, and it costs more towards the salary cap.[/quote]

And I'll bet money the Titants don't make Chris Johnson the highest paid player on offense when his contract comes up. RBs don't win championships. My GUESS (facts be damned) is that the better run teams don't put as much money in as few players as we seem to do, which affords them the luxury of depth. If so much money is tied up in Haynesworth on D and Portis on O, I would think that hurts our ability to have quality depth at as many positions, so when our ALL-WORLD draft picks want to get paid, we have no choice but to pay them. Steelers, Pats, Titans, etc. seem able to let those players walk without skipping a beat. Again, just wild speculation on part. Don't care enough to back up my argument with petty facts;)

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;586826]That's not necessarily the case with the Titans...and, of course, should we let any players walk then that means we show no loyalty. But when other teams do, it's smart business.[/quote]

Well then I'm wrong and it's all coaching. Who knows? They just do more with less I guess. Hey, I rhymed!

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;586826]That's not necessarily the case with the Titans...and, of course, should we let any players walk then that means we show no loyalty. But when other teams do, it's smart business.[/quote]

Loyalty? Eh. I think fans would get over it if we let good players go and had an equal or better player ready to take their place for a lot less. Fans know it's a business. Letting good players go and continuing to lose is not as forgivable.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=44Deezel;586832]Loyalty? Eh. I think fans would get over it if we let good players go and had an equal or better player ready to take their place for a lot less. Fans know it's a business. Letting good players go and continuing to lose is not as forgivable.[/quote]

Did you see some of the reaction to not re-signing Demetric Evans?

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

Easy answer:
Jeff Fisher is one of the best coaches in the NFL, JZ unproven at all levels
Titans: 13-3 last year, Skins 8-8
Titans: One of the best personel teams in the league

Titans always seem to have a legit shot under JF.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=44Deezel;586823]And when their contracts come up, WE re-sign them. Tennessee and teams like them let those players walk and seem to have a younger, cheaper version ready to take their place. Capisce?[/quote]

It's only one game, but what I saw last night was that the Titans pass rush has paid dearly for the loss of AH. They may have a "younger, cheaper" version in there now, but sometimes you get what you pay for.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;586699]Personally, I'm not really on board with the whole NFC "Beast" thing. Dallas is very suspect, and we're just mediocre right now. Philly could make a case for themselves, and the Giants are right there with them, but have some flaws here and there.

I actually think the NFC North might be the best division. Chicago, Minnesota and Green Bay are better than the top three in our division.[/quote]

I find this hilarious, the NFC East is by far the strongest division in football...no doubt!! You gotta be kidding!! And dont forget to add Detroit to your equation.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote]Easy answer:
Jeff Fisher is one of the best coaches in the NFL, JZ unproven at all levels
Titans: 13-3 last year, Skins 8-8
Titans: One of the best personel teams in the league

Titans always seem to have a legit shot under JF.[/quote]
I agree 100%. Jeff Fisher is what makes them a contender.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Lotus;586857]It's only one game, but what I saw last night was that the Titans pass rush has paid dearly for the loss of AH. They may have a "younger, cheaper" version in there now, but sometimes you get what you pay for.[/quote]

They got 4 sacks and gave up 13 points. I think every NFL defense would take 13 points. When Pittsburgh went to huddle Tenn just wore down and got tired. You're going to see a lot of that the first week of the season. But it did look like they could've used AH in there. But they didn't want to overpay and I don't blame them.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;586645]I'm just thinking ... as the game is about to kick off tonight..

Why exactly are the Tennessee Titans a legit contender and we are a joke when someone picks us for the playoffs?

What do they have a QB? at WR? Is there defensive players better than ours?

Is it a coach thing? An organization thing?

When I look at their roster, then at ours, I just am puzzled...[/quote]


honestly?? because they are a good football team. Not saying we aren't, but who knows what we will do this season. They play mistake free football for the most part, the head coach is one of the best if not the best in football. He takes a team filled with good players and makes them a great team. they have no superstars, just solid hard nosed players. They have been good for many years, and we have not. I am puzzled why people on here keep putting us with the elite teams in the NFL when we are not there....yet. take off the burgandy & gold glasses and be realistic.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

Part of what makes Jeff Fisher "great" is that he's had the opportunity to stick it out for so many years in Houston/Tennessee. Some of his greatness is really longevity. His teams though have finished .500 or less over half his career.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;586903]Part of what makes Jeff Fisher "great" is that he's had the opportunity to stick it out for so many years in Houston/Tennessee. Some of his greatness is really longevity. His teams though have finished .500 or less over half his career.[/quote]

That's why I am hoping JZ gets to stay on for many years. Coaching stability, not high priced big shot names is what we need. Unless he shows total ineptitude, we need to give him time.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

If you just count Jeff Fisher's most recent 10 seasons:

He's won at least 10 games 6 of them
Won 13 games 3 times
12 once
11 once

Jeff Fisher is the best coach in the NFL. He was in complete rebuilding modes some of those years too. I would be the happiest fan in the world to have 5 11+ win seasons in a 10 year span. Wow. It's really unbelievable when you think of it.

That's why, I've been saying in the last couple years how I'm a little sick of having a team that is mediocre year after year. I'd rather rebuild for a couple then to always think we're right on the cusp if we just add this or that. Are we really on the cusp of a SB? I think we've got a good team, i just think we've got some holes in our team that will hold us back.

The Jeff Fisher teams, the Bill Belicheck teams always play for not only this year but the future as well. The future is very bright.

By the way, Jim Schwartz IMO will be a great coach in the NFL. I said it back before we interviewed him and I'll say it again.

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[quote=Beemnseven;586699]Personally, I'm not really on board with the whole NFC "Beast" thing. Dallas is very suspect, and we're just mediocre right now. Philly could make a case for themselves, and the Giants are right there with them, but have some flaws here and there.

I actually think the NFC North might be the best division. Chicago, Minnesota and Green Bay are better than the top three in our division.[/quote]

It's not just anecdotal.

[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_987_Quality_Standings.html]Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Final 2008 Quality Standings[/url]

I know some don't care for stats for this kind of comparison, but you can find a lot of evidence to back up the claim that the Beast really is the toughest division in football.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=44Deezel;586828]And I'll bet money the Titants don't make Chris Johnson the highest paid player on offense when his contract comes up. [B]RBs don't win championships.[/B] My GUESS (facts be damned) is that the better run teams don't put as much money in as few players as we seem to do, which affords them the luxury of depth. If so much money is tied up in Haynesworth on D and Portis on O, I would think that hurts our ability to have quality depth at as many positions, so when our ALL-WORLD draft picks want to get paid, we have no choice but to pay them. Steelers, Pats, Titans, etc. seem able to let those players walk without skipping a beat. Again, just wild speculation on part. Don't care enough to back up my argument with petty facts;)[/quote]

Exactly. Geez, I really don't want to open up another Portis debate, but you're right -- running backs rarely make the difference and we have way too much invested him. He'll probably get the all-time Redskin rushing record, and that's nice, but what do we have to show for it?

In the end, the age-old axiom still holds true -- it usually comes down to your quarterback. And what are we all saying this year? It all comes down to Campbell. All the 1400, 1500, and 1600 yard rushing seasons from Portis so far haven't taken us to the Promised Land. Think about it -- when was the last time a running back has carried the team on his shoulders to a Super Bowl? Many here would point to Riggins, and Cowboy fans would say Emmitt Smith. But recently, it's all been about your QB and your D.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;586903]Part of what makes Jeff Fisher "great" is that he's had the opportunity to stick it out for so many years in Houston/Tennessee. Some of his greatness is really longevity. His teams though have finished .500 or less over half his career.[/quote]


Good point! How long has Jeff Fisher been coaching his team? Longer than our last three coaches combined, and a testement to structure and stability.

If things do not start well for us this season, we're going to again see what seperates us from teams that consistently contend year after year. We will again be talking about a new or different coach, a different QB and who knows what else, all signs of instability.

A laughing stock we not be yet, but as long as we continue changing the guard year after year we can continue to expect more of the same.

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[quote=roth74va]I find this hilarious, the NFC East is by far the strongest division in football...no doubt!! You gotta be kidding!! And dont forget to add Detroit to your equation.[/quote]

[quote=dgack;586921]It's not just anecdotal.

[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_987_Quality_Standings.html]Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Final 2008 Quality Standings[/url]

I know some don't care for stats for this kind of comparison, but you can find a lot of evidence to back up the claim that the Beast really is the toughest division in football.[/quote]

Right. It's not just anecdotal. That's why I added up the total number of wins by the top-performing divisions. The NFC East was tied with the AFC East and AFC South in win totals. And the NFC South beat everybody.

Look, I'm not saying this division is complete crap. I'm just not buying all the hype, and I believe this year we'll see a decline.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;586906]That's why I am hoping JZ gets to stay on for many years. Coaching stability, not high priced big shot names is what we need. Unless he shows total ineptitude, we need to give him time.[/quote]

It's not like the Redskins shortcomings aren't spelled out for them. Everyone I listen too says the very same thing in describing the way they do business. With this team "and it's fans" if things don't happen for the good overnight, straight to the wagon of change they go seeking refuge which all too often has failed to deliver. We need to give hope a chance.

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[quote=Beemnseven;586929]Right. It's not just anecdotal. That's why I added up the total number of wins by the top-performing divisions. The NFC East was tied with the AFC East and AFC South in win totals. And the NFC South beat everybody.

Look, I'm not saying this division is complete crap. I'm just not buying all the hype, and I believe this year we'll see a decline.[/quote]

Its not about the total number of wins. It is about the winning percentage by team in the division. Everybody in the NFC East has finished .500 or better over the past few years. A couple of times it has even sent 3 out of 4 teams to the playoffs, that is half of the teams involved. No other division in football even comes close to the amount of Lombardi's (11) that are held in this division. 7 out of the last 9 seasons the NFC East has been represented in the NFC Championship game. 3 out of the last nine Superbowls has had the NFC East represented. There is no comparison, the NFC South had a bit better year than the NFC East, but it is not a trend. They will not do that year in and year out.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

It's not just b/c ownership gave JF time. It's the fact that they gave someone who they believed was a great leader and who is also immensly talented time. He's "super smart."

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

Can someone explain to me how Kerry Collins was a Pro Bowl QB last year with under 3,000 yards passing, 12 TD's and 7 ints?

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

^^ Because his name wasn't "Jason Campbell" (3,200+ yards, 13 TD's, 6 INT's).

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;586943]Can someone explain to me how Kerry Collins was a Pro Bowl QB last year with under 3,000 yards passing, 12 TD's and 7 ints?[/quote]Because the pro bowl is a popularity contest and not stat driven.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;586645]I'm just thinking ... as the game is about to kick off tonight..

Why exactly are the Tennessee Titans a legit contender and we are a joke when someone picks us for the playoffs?

What do they have a QB? at WR? Is there defensive players better than ours?

Is it a coach thing? An organization thing?

When I look at their roster, then at ours, I just am puzzled...[/quote]
Perhaps it is because they had the best record in football last season at 13-3 that included a 10 game winning streak to start the season.

And they punished the Steelers 31-14 last year to win the top seed in the AFC.

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[quote=Angry;586945]Because the pro bowl is a popularity contest and not stat driven.[/quote]

Sounds about right. Probably the main reason Michael Vick got to all those pro bowls late in his career when he had no business being there (earlier though he definitely earned it). Plus there was Marshall Faulk when he rushed for around 900 yards during his Madden Curse year. Maybe fans and even players should be held out of the voting process. At least secretly.

I'll go so far to admit that stats aren't everything but at Kerry Collins greatest achievement seems to be he didn't F-Up where as if they had left the offense up to Vince Young they probably would have had to many turnovers to deal with. Michael Roos and Chris Johnson had more to do with that offenses success then Kerry Collins ever did.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;586682]13-3, 8-8.
you have to earn respect.
we will this year![/quote]

this is 100% correct. We have to show that can consistently win over a season. last year we lost to the RAMS and the BENGALS. good teams don't do that. We weren't good last year. This year, we have the chance to be VERY good. I'm a huge believer, and for some on this board that know me as a natural bear, that may come as a surprise. I love our defensive prospects- very sexy. Offensively, I am concerned. we improve at WR by virtue of maturation of last year's draft and the signing of Dock- that said, the o-line is a large question mark as is Campbell's progression as a NFL QB. I'm a believer in him too (to a degree).
this could be the start of something beautiful.

Orakpo and Carter will each get 10 sacks.

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[quote=Angry;586945]Because the pro bowl is a popularity contest and not stat driven.[/quote]

frankly, I want my guys not getting voted to the pro bowl. lets keep'em hungry. Look at fletcher. Keep'em motivated. pro bowl is just another opportunity to get hurt anyway and increases the cost of the player (though i'm not sure it has any salary cap implications).

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;586926]Good point! How long has Jeff Fisher been coaching his team? Longer than our last three coaches combined, and a testement to structure and stability.

If things do not start well for us this season, we're going to again see what seperates us from teams that consistently contend year after year. We will again be talking about a new or different coach, a different QB and who knows what else, all signs of instability.

A laughing stock we not be yet, but as long as we continue changing the guard year after year we can continue to expect more of the same.[/quote]


HA! He still couldn't beat Spurrier. What does that tell you? huh huh? Mua hahahaha. Fun n' Gun forever.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;586926]Good point! How long has Jeff Fisher been coaching his team? Longer than our last three coaches combined, and a testement to structure and stability.

If things do not start well for us this season, we're going to again see what seperates us from teams that consistently contend year after year. We will again be talking about a new or different coach, a different QB and who knows what else, all signs of instability.

A laughing stock we not be yet, but as long as we continue changing the guard year after year we can continue to expect more of the same.[/quote]


HA! He still couldn't beat Spurrier. What does that tell you? huh huh? Mua hahahaha. Fun n' Gun forever.

[YT]5_PEPry78SY[/YT]

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;586946]Perhaps it is because they had the best record in football last season at 13-3 that included a 10 game winning streak to start the season.

And they punished the Steelers 31-14 last year to win the top seed in the AFC.[/quote]


It's not just about last season, but the body of work over a sustained period of time.....Something we don't know anything about since Gibbs - 1

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;586929]Right. It's not just anecdotal. That's why I added up the total number of wins by the top-performing divisions. The NFC East was tied with the AFC East and AFC South in win totals. And the NFC South beat everybody.[/quote]

Wins are one way of looking at the data, but I prefer the notion of "quality wins" which is what the link to CHFF provides.

If you crunch the numbers and compare raw win totals against net points and SOS it's pretty easy to see why the other divisions you listed fall beneath the NFC East.

I do think a lot of it comes down to what non-conference division you get in the scheduling. It would be very beneficial to be able to play the Raiders and Chiefs last year, or the Lions and Packers, for example, instead of having to play the Ravens and Steelers.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

The answer is they win games. That's why.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

it starts with the owner and the FO and finally their coach is one of the best in the business

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

I can't figure this one out either. Their star QB was relegated to second fiddle and everyone wants to talk about JC. They failed to keep their most important weapon on defense and we get laughed at for picking him up.

All in all the game last night looked bad from both teams but it was only the first game.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;586750]i don't go that definite, but they were 13-3 last year, [B]this year they are 0-1[/B][/quote]

And, I'm sorry to say, as we shall be come twenty-hundred hours next Sunday....

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;586682]13-3, 8-8.
you have to earn respect.
we will this year![/quote]
Exactly my thoughts to the tee!

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;586948]Sounds about right. Probably the main reason Michael Vick got to all those pro bowls late in his career when he had no business being there (earlier though he definitely earned it). Plus there was Marshall Faulk when he rushed for around 900 yards during his Madden Curse year. Maybe fans and even players should be held out of the voting process. At least secretly.

I'll go so far to admit that stats aren't everything but at Kerry Collins greatest achievement seems to be he didn't F-Up where as if they had left the offense up to Vince Young they probably would have had to many turnovers to deal with. Michael Roos and Chris Johnson had more to do with that offenses success then Kerry Collins ever did.[/quote]

Collins is crafty. I can't remember what game it was last year, but the Titans running game gut shut down and Collins went on a tear passing the ball. He proved that they couldn't be forced into being one-dimensional even though they sometimes are because they can.

Re: Question: Why are Titans a "Super Bowl Contender" while we are laughing stock?
 

Like I've said before, I like the idea of flying under the radar. If Zorn can get this team to play together this year, and if he can toughen them up, I see no reason why the skins cannot get at least 9 wins this year.

And yes, the titans are a better team. I think in terms of team overall strength RIGHT NOW, only marginally better than the skins, but better none the less.