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[quote=firstdown;588166]What it was the O that kept the D on the field most of the game. The 7 points was on JC and the fact he has no clue how to use the pocket. He freaking rols right into 1/2 of his sacks.[/quote]firstdown, you're very full of shit. Pardon the language, there's just no other way to put it.

You can't ignore 10-15 play drives by the Giants BEFORE THE OFFENSE WAS ON THE FIELD for the first time. You can't.

Unless you didn't see the game. Stop watching the gametrack on NFL.com and use your TV.

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What I want to know is why the hell do we look great during the 2 minute drill and mediocre the rest of the game offensively? Why does it take a "must score" scenario for us to kick some ass and fulfill our offensive potential. Not sure about our secondary either. THank God we get the hapless Rams next weekend.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;588172]What I want to know is why the hell do we look great during the 2 minute drill and mediocre the rest of the game offensively? Why does it take a "must score" scenario for us to kick some ass and fulfill our offensive potential. Not sure about our secondary either. THank God we get the hapless Rams next weekend.[/quote]It's wasted play %. When our backs aren't against the wall, we piss away first and second downs as if the drives won't ever end. Then with little time remaining, we go into the only thing we're good at.

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[quote=juggernaunt;588073]can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.[/quote]

It doesn't matter who they hire or even the qb. Synder is going to have to get his head out of is butt and quite trying to break the bank on big name players and try to pick a person who who knows how to really look at players and knows how to pick these good players.

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Same crap different year. No offense. Def had it's hands full cause they were on the field forever. Giants aren't that good. Same crap and don't say it's only the 1st game. Philly, Cowgirs and Giants won.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588175]It's wasted play %. When our backs aren't against the wall, we piss away first and second downs as if the drives won't ever end. Then with little time remaining, we go into the only thing we're good at.[/quote]

Piss poor coaching and a lack of knowing how to coach. All this can be blamed on Synder

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Just in case you missed my last post. Same Crap different year.

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Zorn has to work on his play calling. You dont have to run on ever 1st down. Please Zorn

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[quote=Green1;588184]Zorn has to work on his play calling. You dont have to run on ever 1st down. Please Zorn[/quote]

You have to when your QB can't figure out who to throw the ball to.

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I was hoping but I was flippin wrong.

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Again, im content with the lose. We will win next week and either the G men or Cowboys will lose (cause they are playing each other) and the eagles play the Saints which is tough. RELAX

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[quote=GTripp0012;588175]It's wasted play %. When our backs aren't against the wall, we piss away first and second downs as if the drives won't ever end. Then with little time remaining, we go into the only thing we're good at.[/quote]


Ok, but why do we go into Superman mode only when the game is on the line? Why the mediocrity during the 80% of the time the offense is on the field? I guess I am questioning the coaching. One thing is for sure, I don't think we can run Portis into the ground this season

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People are wasting time talking about JC, the real concern is that the OL is still not able to handle a top flight D.

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[quote=nyredskinsfan;588182]Just in case you missed my last post. Same Crap different year.[/quote]


Well for week 1 you are right on!

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I think we are to quick to put the blame on 1 or 2 individuals when there were boneheaded plays by numerous players. It's easy to put the blame on JC he's on the hot seat so is Zorn. But if we can't handle the ball off to Portis because Tuck is in the backfield, before JC hands it off to him then blame that on the o-line for not picking up the blitz. If we are allowing WR's 7 to10 yards to kill us on curls & hitch routes all game then blame on the defensive coordinator. Poor tackling blame on the defensive coordinator also. Personal fouls on 3rd down blame that on the players. Everything is not one persons fault!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;588194]People are wasting time talking about JC, the real concern is that the OL is still not able to handle a top flight D.[/quote]

I gotta disagree. They gave JC really good protection at times today and I think our running backs had an awful game.

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[quote=Mattyk72;588194]People are wasting time talking about JC, the real concern is that the OL is still not able to handle a top flight D.[/quote]

And people are waisting their time talking about JC because he can run into sacks all day long.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;588193]Ok, but why do we go into Superman mode only when the game is on the line? Why the mediocrity during the 80% of the time the offense is on the field? I guess I am questioning the coaching. One thing is for sure, I don't think we can run Portis into the ground this season[/quote]In this game, the playcalling was horrendous. If we kick the field goal instead of faking it, it's a 13 point game in which the quarterback, who yeah, you might have argued that he cost you two drives, threw the ball great all day.

Zorn is usually not this horrendous of a playcaller, but taking the ball out of the QBs hand on the goal line every time you get there is getting tiresome really fast.

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Offensive line has been a concern for us since Norv. We got Samuels and Thomas, but those have been the only really big moves we have made to boost it for awhile. We really needed an offensive linemen as our #1 pick. Orakpo will be a good one, but he isn't going to win us games.

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It is sad that Zorn did not have the team ready to play. The Redskins were out of it. Moss and Landry were zombie-like. Zorn should have benched Moss when he started that stupid fight.

As for Jason Campbell, he was OK. But, his fumble and INT might have been the difference because they led directly to 7 Giant points and kept us from scoring any on that drive.

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[quote=nyredskinsfan;588182]Just in case you missed my last post. Same Crap different year.[/quote]


I'm not really the type to freak out over a silly football game but I agree with this guy. It is so frustrating watching this team. We all know they have the playmakers and the talent to compete, but it seems like every time they get going they shoot themselves in the foot. Plays that go for 2 yards for us go for 10 yards for the opponents.

Also, it's one game but this year's secondary has me very concerned. HIT AND WRAP TACKLING KIDS. I swear Landry should have to run laps everytime he goes for a big hit and misses instead of a solid tackle.

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I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.

If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.

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Disappointing loss--we failed to move the ball at crucial times, and couldn't get off the field on D. Plus, the JC fumble for a TD was a killer. Like Matty, I'm not sold on the o-line, but either way JC has to find a way to make a play.

But for all that, I thought there were some positives. ARE looks MUCH better in the slot; Cooley got free quite a bit, London was moving well and the D did create 2 big TOs.

I didn't expect to go up to NY and win this, even if I had my hopes. But I really would have liked to feel we had a real chance--I don't think the team believes it. And until they do, they'll keep flailing about.

Here's a cliche for you, but I think it's right: 90% of the game is mental. The gints believed it from the opening gun; we never did. Sometimes it's a little thing that shifts momentum, but more often it takes your playmakers stepping up at big moments and winning games. We did not see that today. The gints have our number--have for a number of years now. We've got to turn it around, beat the rams, and get some confidence. The rest will follow.

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[quote=Mattyk72;588194]People are wasting time talking about JC, the real concern is that the OL is still not able to handle a top flight D.[/quote]

Is it time to start worry about the Oline yet? Actually handling a top 3 pass rushing D-Line I think we did ok, look at JC stats, great completion % and all that good stuff. I was disappointed when we did run the ball we went nowhere. Then that leads to me to the point, why did we keep running the ball especially in the second half? Zorn play calling was horrible, I mean really disturbing. Call shotgun and get the ball downfield and need some more mis direction plays to cool that rush, screens, counters, etc.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;588172]What I want to know is why the hell do we look great during the 2 minute drill and mediocre the rest of the game offensively? Why does it take a "must score" scenario for us to kick some ass and fulfill our offensive potential. Not sure about our secondary either. THank God we get the hapless Rams next weekend.[/quote]


The Giants were playing us differently on defense by the time we were in hurry up mode. They knew we needed two scores and time was of the essence.

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I too would like to see more throws on 1st down, but I don't think giving up on the run is the answer. Portis is a weapon--he can win games for us and move the chains. We failed to block in the run game against a good D, and Zorn should have given it up earlier. But trying to stick with it isn't nuts, given CP.

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Hay dimwits, the Giants are a great team and you're not going to walk into their house and beat easily. JC f*ed up on that fumble...he had plenty of time and could have stepped up in the pocket. Totally on JC.

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Jim Zorn is allergic to:

The WR slant
The second TE
The QB roll out
Throwing the ball on first down

I think we can improve plenty, but the playcalling was so vanilla frustrating

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[quote=JWsleep;588209]Disappointing loss--we failed to move the ball at crucial times, and couldn't get off the field on D. Plus, the JC fumble for a TD was a killer. Like Matty, I'm not sold on the o-line, but either way JC has to find a way to make a play.

[/quote]

Exactly, Jason Campbell must become more of a playmaker. The Skins' offense is mediocre and needs the QB to be a leader. When JC threw that INT after crossing the line of scrimmage by several yards, he showed he has a lack of vision of the entire field. No way he'll be an effective field general. He might be serviceable for a few years, but that's it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588208]I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.

If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.[/quote]


The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.

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[quote=dan_snyder69;588098]we played a great team in their stadium. also i've never thought we match up particularly well against the Giants. if it comes to it, i like colt mccoy[/quote]

This was not a great team that we played. Our team did not change anything from last year accept for Haynesworth who did his job. Jason Campbell still does not get it. There were more than enough opportunities for us to win this game and everytime it we got something going a half back option is called after Portis breaks for over twenty. Or after a big completion Campbell throws an INt or fumbles the ball. Please don't let me talk about Carlos Rodgers.

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[quote=saden1;588224]The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.[/quote]We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.

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[quote=saden1;588224]The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.[/quote]


Nope. Clinton Portis averaged under 2.0 yards per rush after the first run of the game. I think he played really really medicore football today.

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[quote=wilsowilso;588230]Nope. Clinton Portis averaged under 2.0 yards per rush after the first run of the game. I think he played really really medicore football today.[/quote]

Don't care, and for explanation see A. Perterson. The game is about breaking a big run and he did. I would take my chances with CP thank you. Running the ball even for 2/3 yards gets the defense more tired and in the long run it pays off. Zorn got out-coached plain and simple.

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I lay this loss solely on playcalling. Not too many people are going to run all over the Giants with their line this year. We needed to sling it more and be more choosy with when/how often we ran.

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[quote=saden1;588235]Don't care, and for explanation see A. Perterson. [B]The game is about breaking a big run and he did.[/B] I would take my chances with CP thank you. Running the ball even for 2/3 yards gets the defense more tired and in the long run it pays off. Zorn got out-coached plain and simple.[/quote]Obviously the game is really about taking knees. The team that takes the most knees wins like 98% of the time.

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[quote=Mattyk72;588194]People are wasting time talking about JC, the real concern is that the OL is still not able to handle a top flight D.[/quote]

Exactly, that and the playcalling is pathetic. When we were pinned deep, 3 straight runs, what a joke! Zorn is the problem....we got outcoached!

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[quote=GTripp0012;588229]We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.[/quote]


Yeah, they were playing soft because the game by that time was won. You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.

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[quote=saden1;588250]Yeah, they were playing soft because the game by that time was won. You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.[/quote]You do know Betts got a single carry, and that was an audible at the line itself?

Pounding Portis = wasting plays. Some defenses let you have your way with 7 in the box. The Giants only used 7 in the box, but they won the one on ones all day.

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[quote=Chico23231;588211]Is it time to start worry about the Oline yet? Actually handling a top 3 pass rushing D-Line I think we did ok, look at JC stats, great completion % and all that good stuff. I was disappointed when we did run the ball we went nowhere. Then that leads to me to the point, why did we keep running the ball especially in the second half? Zorn play calling was horrible, I mean really disturbing. Call shotgun and get the ball downfield and need some more mis direction plays to cool that rush, screens, counters, etc.[/quote]


Like you, the one area of Zorn's coaching that is sometimes baffling to me is his play calling. Today I think he stuck with the run too much, and for too long, espically when we were down by two scores in the second half. The Giants loved it because we were using clock, but not scoring any points.