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(1) When asked to throw the ball and given good protection, Campbell is capable of throwing a nice ball.
(2) The offensive line held up pretty well in pass protection.
(3) The defense held up pretty well in the red zone.
(4) Haynesworth appears to be doing his part.

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[quote=Buster;588750]Told you ARE would shine this season if used properly...our leading receiver with 7 for 98. [/quote]

He looked very good in the slot.

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Also, London with 18 tackles!

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[quote=Buster;588785]Also, London with 18 tackles![/quote]

London is a beast. I forgot to mention him as well; I suppose because he's always so good that I just take his play for granted.

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London 18 tackles which says it all.

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I would like somebody to post that nasty hit Fletcher put on Jacobs.

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can we please get rid of zorn and campbell

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If London doesn't make the Pro Bowl this year, that's just pathetic.

He SHOULD have been there last season, and plenty of others too.

I hope he averages 12-15 tackles a game and has a few picks so his numbers are so huge that they can't deny him again. Maybe Big Al will help boost his numbers all season.

Hopefully he'll be the DPOY. You can't keep the defensive player of the year out of the Pro Bowl, right?

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[quote=bigant;588800]can we please get rid of zorn and campbell[/quote]

Can we please learn English and how to read thread titles?

Did anyone mention Hunter Smith? Aside from the TD, we finally have a good punter.

It's been since, Matt Turk? Reggie Roby? It's been too many years of suffering through bad punters.

Also, Suisham didn't shank anything yet. I wanted him gone so badly, but I have to give him credit for being better so far.

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O-line played pretty well in pass blocking, ARE in the slot is a beast.

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[quote=bigant;588800]can we please get rid of zorn and campbell[/quote]

Who is we BGiant?
Plenty of other threads for you to bitch.

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[quote=Mattyk72;588754]Cooley didn't lose any fumbles did he? Thought he fumbled out of bounds once and then the other one was reversed where his knee was clearly down.[/quote]

You're right, but, in fairness, I only said he lost one. The first one went out of bounds, although the Giants had the best shot at it. The second was ruled not to have been a fumble, but really, that's a pretty big cause for concern for me; as much as he gets the football, he very nearly lost 2 fumbles yesterday.

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Randle El in the slot is nasty. I hope the coaches saw this and take FULL advantage of it this year. ARE's quicks make him an excellent slot guy.

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[quote=jdlea;588748]2 big issues with this.

Cooley was solid? Cooley lost 1 fumble and then almost lost another. Ball security seems to be an issue once he's caught the football. He doesn't drop many balls (if any), but it does seem like he has a tendency to put it on the ground while fighting for more yards. He's got to put it away.

How can anyone really say that, based on yesterday, the Skins should give up on Campbell? I concede, throwing the ball about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage was probably the dumbest mistake I've see him make, but that pick was not his all his fault. The ball should have never been thrown, but Moss has to come back to it. Also, it took a hell of a play to even get picked. As for the fumble, that's all on him, he's admitted that and said he's frustrated with himself for that play. Other than that, what was not to like, yesterday? The only time the ball moved (other than 1 running play) was through the air.

There's absolutely no way the running game should not be secondary going forward. Campbell was efficient and they made some big plays with Randle El running after the catch. I'd love to see Kelly and Moss get involved, but when you only throw 26 times, that's not going to happen very often.

I'm encouraged by what I saw out of Campbell, other than those 2 mistakes. As far as the running game goes, I'm only a little concerned because the Giants have the best D Line in football, so I'll wait to say "this line can't run block," but I'd definitely like them to do less of it against St. Louis.[/quote]

Here is my problem with Campbell. I do understand it was one game, and I am not ready to let him go. BUT Jason looks the same as always. He is not a leader on the team. Jason didn't respond well when the pocket broke down. He fumbled again. He just looks lost when he plays the Giants. He has no confidence when he plays them. How will we ever be the best team in the East when we can't beat them? That starts with the QB. I don't see JC beating the Giants. He is scared of them. Year after year I defend the kid and hope for different results, but at this point when do we stop making excuses and looking for little things to say he played well. The kid threw a pick when he was about 3 yards across the line of scrimmage. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon13.gif[/IMG] Not smart football. He makes boneheaded plays year in and year out. I'm not ready to give up, but i won't continue to come to his defense until he prove he can win in this league. 16-21 as a starter. Not a winner, yet?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;589027]Here is my problem with Campbell. I do understand it was one game, and I am not ready to let him go. BUT Jason looks the same as always. He is not a leader on the team. Jason didn't respond well when the pocket broke down. He fumbled again. He just looks lost when he plays the Giants. He has no confidence when he plays them. How will we ever be the best team in the East when we can't beat them? That starts with the QB. I don't see JC beating the Giants. He is scared of them. Year after year I defend the kid and hope for different results, but at this point when do we stop making excuses and looking for little things to say he played well. The kid threw a pick when he was about 3 yards across the line of scrimmage. [IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon13.gif[/IMG] Not smart football. He makes boneheaded plays year in and year out. I'm not ready to give up, but i won't continue to come to his defense until he prove he can win in this league. 16-21 as a starter. Not a winner, yet?[/quote]Are completions and yards "little things"? Because he did a lot of those.

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[quote=GTripp0012;589031]Are completions and yards "little things"? Because he did a lot of those.[/quote]

those are stats. i do get the point he is trying to make. Campbell should take charge out there.

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It's the first game
Are looked good
O-line looks good
D-line needs more time to jell
Kicking game looks good
JC looks good when given time

HTTR.

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[quote=kdogg3270;589038]those are stats. i do get the point he is trying to make. Campbell should take charge out there.[/quote]Well, they are stats, but I wasn't referring to them as stats. I was referring to the actual live-game occurrences of completing passes and gaining positive yards. Can those be considered small things, or are they the essence of the task?

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[quote=Buster;588785]Also, London with 18 tackles![/quote]
The dude is stone fearless.
When he eventually retires, I hope we can get him to coach

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I believe Chase Daniels could do a better job at QB! At least he scrambles and tries anyway he can to get that 1st down!

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[quote=GTripp0012;589031]Are completions and yards "little things"? Because he did a lot of those.[/quote]

Without the W they mean nothing.

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^^I think we would have gotten crushed much worse if Chase had been under center yesterday.

And...dude, I've seen your other posts and I must ask: is someone paying you for every exclamation point that you use? :)

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[quote=Lotus;589094]^^I think we would have gotten crushed much worse if Chase had been under center yesterday.

And...dude, I've seen your other posts and I must ask: is someone paying you for every exclamation point that you use? :)[/quote]

He he he. Jim Zorn had a big one hovering above his head last night. I know I'm not the only one with a lot of questions around here. Chase is gone. For the record, I'd rather have Todd Collins. Thanks for reading my posts. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? cha ching!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;589106]He he he. Jim Zorn had a big one hovering above his head last night. I know I'm not the only one with a lot of questions around here. Chase is gone. For the record, I'd rather have Todd Collins. Thanks for reading my posts. ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? cha ching![/quote]

Actually I was talking about njall and his exclamation points, not question marks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;589070]Well, they are stats, but I wasn't referring to them as stats. I was referring to the actual live-game occurrences of completing passes and gaining positive yards. Can those be considered small things, or are they the essence of the task?[/quote]


It is just so hard to put your finger on what goes wrong for Jason. He is a very accurate passer, has a high completion percentage, great arm, and can tuck-and-run when he needs to. It just seems like he doesn't really attack the defense. He runs the play, but he doesn't go after the weaker defensive players.

For Jason to make the transition to franchise QB, and start winning games consistently, he needs to learn to find a defenses weakness, recognize it at the line of scrimmage, audible (if needed) and attack the weakness. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it....

Maybe with a little more comfort in the system, and the next few weaker opponents, he can turn it on.

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[quote=GTripp0012;589070]Well, they are stats, but I wasn't referring to them as stats. I was referring to the actual live-game occurrences of completing passes and gaining positive yards. Can those be considered small things, or are they the essence of the task?[/quote]

Gtrip.. No those aren't little things, but at the same time QBs in this league are judged on one thing. Winning. JC hasn't done that yet. And the team we must absolutly beat is the Giants. JC(as a starting QB) has not beaten the Giants once in the last 4 years. Todd Collins beat the Giants in 07 at the Meadow Lands. Jason hasn't showed me anything in the games we have played against NY to disprove that fact. How can we win the East, get to the playoffs, and win the SuperBowl without beating the Giants at least once? That is the goal here right? Win the NFC East and Win the Superbowl? Is there faith that JC can do that? That's why I am a fan of the Redskins. That is what we used to do alot. Now if we get to the playoffs it's as a Wild Card. I want to win again. Be feared. Not be afraid of NY because we can't beat them. He has time to win me back over. I'm just done defending him.

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[quote=Lotus;589122]Actually I was talking about njall and his exclamation points, not question marks.[/quote]

Dang! Do I still get paid?

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A positive (not our game) that I didn't realize:

DALLAS DEFENSE GAVE UP [B]450[/B] YDS TO TAMPA BAY AND BYRON LEFTWICH!!!!

Yes I did need all caps, bold, and 4 exclamation marks.
and yes I know they got the win, but they won't get many like that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;589192]A positive (not our game) that I didn't realize:

DALLAS DEFENSE GAVE UP [B]450[/B] YDS TO TAMPA BAY AND BYRON LEFTWICH!!!!

Yes I did need all caps, bold, and 4 exclamation marks.
and yes I know they got the win, but they won't get many like that.[/quote]

Actually Dallas looked really bad early in the game. They didn't get started until later part of the game. I'm not too impressed with their overall team.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;589129]Dang! Do I still get paid?[/quote]

I'm sending $1 mil. in Monopoly money your way. :)

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;589128]Gtrip.. No those aren't little things, but at the same time QBs in this league are judged on one thing. Winning. JC hasn't done that yet. And the team we must absolutly beat is the Giants. JC(as a starting QB) has not beaten the Giants once in the last 4 years. Todd Collins beat the Giants in 07 at the Meadow Lands. Jason hasn't showed me anything in the games we have played against NY to disprove that fact. How can we win the East, get to the playoffs, and win the SuperBowl without beating the Giants at least once? That is the goal here right? Win the NFC East and Win the Superbowl? Is there faith that JC can do that? That's why I am a fan of the Redskins. That is what we used to do alot. Now if we get to the playoffs it's as a Wild Card. I want to win again. Be feared. Not be afraid of NY because we can't beat them. He has time to win me back over. I'm just done defending him.[/quote]Well, like I've pointed out, there were blemishes on Campbell's day, but nothing that happened while he had the ball would have necessarily prevented the team from winning. When Campbell didn't have the ball in his hands on Sunday, we were much, much worse off.

Quarterbacks aren't judged by winning any more than middle linebackers are. With that said, nothing will get the public's attention faster than a lot of Ws and few Ls.

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[quote=GoSkins!;589127]It is just so hard to put your finger on what goes wrong for Jason. He is a very accurate passer, has a high completion percentage, great arm, and can tuck-and-run when he needs to. It just seems like he doesn't really attack the defense. He runs the play, but he doesn't go after the weaker defensive players.

For Jason to make the transition to franchise QB, and start winning games consistently, he needs to learn to find a defenses weakness, recognize it at the line of scrimmage, audible (if needed) and attack the weakness. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it....

Maybe with a little more comfort in the system, and the next few weaker opponents, he can turn it on.[/quote]The thing about Jason is, he doesn't need to do anything to [I]become[/I] a franchise quarterback. He does a lot of things well and a few things not so well. The thing is, for this organization, having a franchise quarterback is simply empty rhetoric designed at dodging any actual problems with the franchise.

You can tell when an organization is serious about building through it's quarterback and when an organization is simply going through the motions. Guess which category we fall into?

The Washington Redskins will not have a franchise quarterback this year. They will not have one next year, or the year after, or the year after that. Had we traded for Jay Cutler, still no shot at a franchise quarterback. It's a byproduct of an organizational philosophy to "prove it" without any responsibility on it's own part to improve it's methodology.

The Redskins can win without a franchise quarterback, I think, but won't be able to sustain whatever they work towards anyway.

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[quote=GTripp0012;589199]Well, like I've pointed out, there were blemishes on Campbell's day, but nothing that happened while he had the ball would have necessarily prevented the team from winning. [B]When Campbell didn't have the ball in his hands on Sunday, we were much, much worse off.[/B]
Quarterbacks aren't judged by winning any more than middle linebackers are. With that said, nothing will get the public's attention faster than a lot of Ws and few Ls.[/quote]

I agree, when the ball fell out of his hands and Osi was running down the sidelines for a TD it couldnt have been any worse.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;589204]I agree, when the ball fell out of his hands and Osi was running down the sidelines for a TD it couldnt have been any worse.[/quote]LOL.

There's nothing to say that the same thing couldn't have happened to Portis. Campbell fumbled, but that's really the end of the play, from the quarterback's perspective, when assessing blame.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;588477]No INJURIES![/quote]

Agreed this is a positive.

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[QUOTE=Gtothearry;588687]1. O-line played well
2. Several passes completed for 15+ yards
3. Receivers ran routes past the 1st down marker on 3rd downs.
(remember how many routes were ran last year a yard short of the 1st down)
4. The D-fense actually produced some to's.
5. There was actually pressure put on an opposing QB
6. The run was kept in check
7. Goal line stands
8. Suisham is 1-1
9. Offense produced points and did move the ball against a great D......(remember the offense should get better...were one year into this offense)
10. Zorn's play calling was better ( at least we aren't as predictable as we were last year)
11. Despite all that went wrong the players didn't give up and still had a chance towards the end.

Honestly, I was pissed off during the game as many of u all were im sure. However, once I reflected on the game I have a decent feel of where this team is headed. I really think by week 6 this team will be a good team and if we don't play down to our opponents level we should be in good shape. The only ? marks for me is dumb penalites which can be fixed and also our DB's---------(which cant be fixed).......[/QUOT

GOOD POST gtoTHEARRY

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[quote=Njall;589085]I believe Chase Daniels could do a better job at QB! At least he scrambles and tries anyway he can to get that 1st down![/quote]

That comment is a Joke.

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[quote=GoSkins!;589127]It is just so hard to put your finger on what goes wrong for Jason. He is a very accurate passer, has a high completion percentage, great arm, and can tuck-and-run when he needs to. It just seems like he doesn't really attack the defense. He runs the play, but he doesn't go after the weaker defensive players.

For Jason to make the transition to franchise QB, and start winning games consistently, he needs to learn to find a defenses weakness, recognize it at the line of scrimmage, audible (if needed) and attack the weakness. Brady does it, Manning does it, Brees does it....

Maybe with a little more comfort in the system, and the next few weaker opponents, he can turn it on.[/quote]

I think Jason is more concerned to not throw a pick which hinders him from attacking the defense. Great QB's ( Farve) are not afraid to take chances with the ball and just let it rip. I guess its easy said when the FO doesnt have confidence in you in the 1st place. Brett Farve has thrown more picks than anyothet QB in history. To be great you can't be afraid to fail. Jason trust in your arm and don't be afraid to make a mistake its going to happen if you play QB in the NFL. Just ask Jay Cutler and Jake Delhomme.

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The Positives of the game
1.The Redskins never quit
2. No major injuries.
3. The Defense had a goal line stand
4. London Fletcher has not slowed down yet.
5. ARE had his best game as a Redskins WR and may makean impact in the slot.
6. The Defense only surrendered 16 points to the G-mens offense.
7. The Defense forced 2 turnovers.
8. Cooley had a TD and was a factor in the passing game.
9. Special teams overall played well not given up a return for a TD or missed FG.
10. JC played well against a great pass rush and a average O-Line.
11. Albert H. had a nice game and he isn't in game shape yet. His presense will be felt this season.
12. Horton is not a 1 season wonder, the kid can play.
13. Orakpo got his feet wet and did not make any major mistakes.
14. Mcnabb may miss a few games.
15. This maybe our last game in giants stadium. New stadium next year our fortune will change.
16. Heyer played better this game in pass protection.
17. Rogers played the entire game, but he did drop a sure pick early in the 1st qt.

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[quote=skins89moss;589399]The Positives of the game

17. Rogers played the entire game, but he did drop a sure pick early in the 1st qt.[/quote]


I've come to grips with Rogers' ability to drop interceptions and instead to look at each dropped pick as a broken pass. So the way I see it is this: not ony did Rogers play the entire game, and do so fairly well, but he also broke up a pass in the first quarter.