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[quote=T.O.Killa;592247]I thought he was blanketing the guy that caught the ball on him. I think he did better than Smoot. Of course that was the Rams. Horton is awesome. He is turning out to be our star on defense, not Landry.[/quote]

While I agree that Horton has been good--Landry is playing out of position. Put him at SS and he would make even more plays than Horton.

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Antonio Dixon played today for the Eagles

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592346]Antonio Dixon played today for the Eagles[/quote]

And the Eagles defense looked awesome today.

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[quote=wilsowilso;592359]And the Eagles defense looked awesome today.[/quote]
Yeah, they sure did.

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blache is way to conservative. He doesn't want to blame his players or himself for his mistakes, but really it's all him why the D is sucking, it's him who should be saying
"hey corners its 3rd and 5 don't play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage." If you don't think phillip daniels should be at DE then and Orakpo should then make that change, if you don't think Orakpo should be an OLB then make that change, if you don't think DeAngelo hall should be an outside corner and should play the slot then do so.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;592375]blache is way to conservative. He doesn't want to blame his players or himself for his mistakes, but really it's all him why the D is sucking, it's him who should be saying
"hey corners its 3rd and 5 don't play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage." If you don't think phillip daniels should be at DE then and Orakpo should then make that change, if you don't think Orakpo should be an OLB then make that change, if you don't think DeAngelo hall should be an outside corner and should play the slot then do so.[/quote]
The D has given up 22 points in two games. It is ranked 12th now in yardage and 7th in points allowed

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592378]The D has given up 22 points in two games. It is ranked 12th now in yardage and 7th in points allowed[/quote]

That's good, but stats don't mean everything.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;592386]That's good, but stats don't mean everything.[/quote]
Your right, those stats say nothing of the offense being ranked 29th in the league in scoring.

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[quote=53Fan;591308]Our offense needs to get on track and start making plays. There is no doubt about that. Pittsburgh won the SB last year with the #1 defense. That didn't stop them from taking a DT, Ziggy Hood, with their first round pick. Whether the offense is good or bad, you still want the other parts of your team to play as well as they can don't you? Or is the defense suppose to just stand pat and say, "We'll get better after the offense gets better?" The fact that we need to get more sacks and turnovers, and get off the field quicker has [B]nothing to do with the offense[/B]. [B]That's what good defenses do[/B]. Blache can't do anything about the offense but he CAN make the defense better and I'm not satisfied with them being "pretty good" regardless of how the offense is playing. I'm not sure how wanting the defense to play better is taken as an endorsement of the offense. I love defense and would like to see them kick ass. Regardless of how the offense plays, at least I could get some pleasure from that.[/quote]


Indeed there is a correlation between what the two units do, as well as how they play on the field. That correlation was a topic of conversation which Blache was very much a part of when he was the defensive line coach, Greg Williams was DC, and Gibbs was the HC. Blaches' coaching philosophy is simular in many ways to that of Williams minus the creative blitzing. He does not beleive sack totals/or lack thereof should be a barometer for guaging the effectivness of a defense.

Between Gibbs, Williams, Blache and the secondary coaches the subject of how Gibbs wanted the defense to play based on his struggling offense was discussed. They arived at the conclusion that many of Williams' exotic blitz packages would be curtailed, mainly because Gibbs felt if the defense was repeatedly burned by the blitz (in an effort to make big plays/cause turnovers) they could dig a hole deeper than his offense could produce out of. Whatever ambivalence if any there may have been, did not prevent the defense from being effective. He was of the beleif that a vastly improved offense would reduce any sizeable onus on the defense, hence the hiring of Al Saunders.

Blache's defensive philosophy is sound and effective. He may not have all the parts he'd like to have to run some of the sets he would like, but sound nonetheless. There are times when he would like to be more aggressive, play more man and press coverages but his personnel dictate otherwise.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592390]Your right, those stats say nothing of the offense being ranked 29th in the league in scoring.[/quote]Through 2 games, the Redskins offense ranks 14th in yards per play.

Through 2 games, the Redskins defense ranks 14th in yards per play.

The operative question is not who is to blame, it's how can the offense score more points going forward, and how can defense prevent more points going forward.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592390]Your right, those stats say nothing of the offense being ranked 29th in the league in scoring.[/quote]

ok...and the Colts right now are ranked number 1 in total defense, and they played jacksonville last week, so your saying they're the best defensive team in the league?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;592375]blache is way to conservative. He doesn't want to blame his players or himself for his mistakes, but really it's all him why the D is sucking, it's him who should be saying
"hey corners its 3rd and 5 don't play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage." If you don't think phillip daniels should be at DE then and Orakpo should then make that change, if you don't think Orakpo should be an OLB then make that change, if you don't think DeAngelo hall should be an outside corner and should play the slot then do so.[/quote]

I wouldn't call 2 Offensive TDs in 2 weeks exactly sucking. The Offense does nothing to help the D. Defenses that play with a lead have a big advantage. It would be nice if they were a ferocious Defense that got lots of sacks, turnovers and generally blew people up, but the D is the least of our worries.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;592414]ok...and the Colts right now are ranked number 1 in total defense, and they played jacksonville last week, so your saying they're the best defensive team in the league?[/quote]
Again, your right, because by the end of the year we will be ranked much higher. Look all kidding aside, the defense has played well enough for us to have won both games.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592423]Again, your right, because by the end of the year we will be ranked much higher. Look all kidding aside, the defense has played well enough for us to have won both games.[/quote]

I guess I'll agree with that even though we still haven't gotten to the QB that much at all, we're still the same at getting to the QB as we were last year. But I will agree though that it's our offense that needs help a lot more than our defense.

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I will tell all of you this, the Giants are lighting up the Cowboys secondary much worse than they did to ours.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592437]I will tell all of you this, the Giants are lighting up the Cowboys secondary much worse than they did to ours.[/quote]

It's amazing how different each NFC East team is and how varied the games play out.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592437]I will tell all of you this, the Giants are lighting up the Cowboys secondary much worse than they did to ours.[/quote]

That's because the Cowboys secondary is worse than ours. And if Newman gets seriously hurt, look out.

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And no D is perfect. Everyone was talking about how we went up against such a "Great" Defense last week, but the Cowboys have 24 points with almost an entire quarter to go. The Titans gave up a bunch of points today. The Ravens were touched up for the second time in 2 weeks. Bears scored 17 on the Steelers and won.

I did take exception with Carlos Rogers giving Steven Jackson a 10 yard cushion when he was split out wide.

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I am happy with the D. Getting TOs, only allowed 1 offensive TD in each of our games...if they keep this up all year, they could save us until our offense figures itself out, which I believe will happen.

Our defense is the least of our worries.

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I thought the defense was much better yesterday. The tackling was better. The rotation of the defensive line kept players fresh and even though the line only registered one sack, they applied constant pressure on Bulger. The defense made stops when they needed to and created turnovers when needed. This game should have been a blowout, the Redskins have to close the deal. They must convert their drives into touchdowns.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592423]Again, your right, because by the end of the year we will be ranked much higher. Look all kidding aside, the defense has played well enough for us to have won both games.[/quote]Except, of course, the Giants game.

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[quote=Buster;592807]I am happy with the D. Getting TOs, only allowed 1 offensive TD in each of our games...if they keep this up all year, they could save us until our offense figures itself out, which I believe will happen.

[B]Our defense is the least of our worries[/B].[/quote]

I wouldn't say that, because last I checked we're still not getting all those sacks that we're supposed to be getting...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;592990]I wouldn't say that, because last I checked we're still not getting all those sacks that we're supposed to be getting...[/quote]

Our defense is still bend but don't break, and well while unfair, there are higher expectations of them given how much $$ the team has spent in the offseason. Look at the Giants D last nite, they basically kept NY in the game.

There is QB pressure and turnovers, but they need to be one of those factors that leads to Ws.

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[quote=Longtimefan;592397]Indeed there is a correlation between what the two units do, as well as how they play on the field. That correlation was a topic of conversation which Blache was very much a part of when he was the defensive line coach, Greg Williams was DC, and Gibbs was the HC. Blaches' coaching philosophy is simular in many ways to that of Williams minus the creative blitzing. He does not beleive sack totals/or lack thereof should be a barometer for guaging the effectivness of a defense.

Between Gibbs, Williams, Blache and the secondary coaches the subject of how Gibbs wanted the defense to play based on his struggling offense was discussed. They arived at the conclusion that many of Williams' exotic blitz packages would be curtailed, mainly because Gibbs felt if the defense was repeatedly burned by the blitz (in an effort to make big plays/cause turnovers) they could dig a hole deeper than his offense could produce out of. Whatever ambivalence if any there may have been, did not prevent the defense from being effective. He was of the beleif that a vastly improved offense would reduce any sizeable onus on the defense, hence the hiring of Al Saunders.

Blache's defensive philosophy is sound and effective. He may not have all the parts he'd like to have to run some of the sets he would like, but sound nonetheless. There are times when he would like to be more aggressive, play more man and press coverages but his personnel dictate otherwise.[/quote]

The fact that[B] I[/B] [B]want[/B] our defense to play better really has nothing to do with the offense trust me. That's the point I'm trying to make.[B] I[/B] [B]want[/B] the defense to play better [B]regardless[/B] of how the offense is doing. To your point about Blache and sacks, you'll get no argument out of me, he really couldn't care less. At least everytime he's asked about the[B] lack [/B]of sacks, that seems to be his stance. Maybe I should be using the word [B]pressure[/B] since that is what I'm really getting at. I use the word sacks because you are definitely getting pressure on the QB if you get them and probably more turnovers as well. I find it interesting that our FO doesn't share his philosophy though. We trade 2 draft picks for Jason Taylor, give AH more money than any DT has ever gotten, and draft the best pass rushing DE in the draft with our first round pick. What do you suppose the purpose was here? We sure didn't get Taylor and Orakpo to stop the run. And Haynesworth, although very good against the run, was acquired more for his ability to collapse the pocket to help get pressure on the QB than anything else.

I find it hard to believe that any HC in the NFL, or college for that matter, would not want more sacks, turnovers, and 3 and outs by the defense if they could get them. That is what I'm asking for. To think that this defense cannot get any better than it already is......well..it sounds a little "out there" to me. And the fact that a HC doesn't want his defense to get repeatedly burned on blitzes is completely understandable. If that is what is happening on blitzes you're probably not doing it right. IMO they should have stopped [B]Blache[/B] from blitzing last year, he certainly isn't any better than Greg Williams at it and there is certainly nothing creative about them. They aren't disguised and end in completions as often as not. We have a good defense and I'm not hating on Blache, but I will not apologize for wanting it to be better, and the offense has nothing to do with me wanting that.

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[quote=53Fan;593308]The fact that[B] I[/B] [B]want[/B] our defense to play better really has nothing to do with the offense trust me. That's the point I'm trying to make.[B] I[/B] [B]want[/B] the defense to play better [B]regardless[/B] of how the offense is doing. To your point about Blache and sacks, you'll get no argument out of me, he really couldn't care less. At least everytime he's asked about the[B] lack [/B]of sacks, that seems to be his stance. Maybe I should be using the word [B]pressure[/B] since that is what I'm really getting at. I use the word sacks because you are definitely getting pressure on the QB if you get them and probably more turnovers as well. I find it interesting that our FO doesn't share his philosophy though. We trade 2 draft picks for Jason Taylor, give AH more money than any DT has ever gotten, and draft the best pass rushing DE in the draft with our first round pick. What do you suppose the purpose was here? We sure didn't get Taylor and Orakpo to stop the run. And Haynesworth, although very good against the run, was acquired more for his ability to collapse the pocket to help get pressure on the QB than anything else.

I find it hard to believe that any HC in the NFL, or college for that matter, would not want more sacks, turnovers, and 3 and outs by the defense if they could get them. That is what I'm asking for. To think that this defense cannot get any better than it already is......well..it sounds a little "out there" to me. And the fact that a HC doesn't want his defense to get repeatedly burned on blitzes is completely understandable. If that is what is happening on blitzes you're probably not doing it right. IMO they should have stopped [B]Blache[/B] from blitzing last year, he certainly isn't any better than Greg Williams at it and there is certainly nothing creative about them. They aren't disguised and end in completions as often as not. We have a good defense and I'm not hating on Blache, but I will not apologize for wanting it to be better, and the offense has nothing to do with me wanting that.[/quote]

very well said.

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[quote=wilsowilso;592359]And the Eagles defense looked awesome today.[/quote]
For all the people that thought it was no big deal when so many of us were up in arms about the absolutely stupid decision to cut Antonio Dixon. He got his first sack today and is part of their defensive line rotation. He has played in every game. This was the only good thing to come out of training camp and our dumb coaches cut him.

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Really? Dixon was the only good thing to come out of training camp? And we're much worse off without Dixon?

Good for Dixon, but our D Line is just fine.

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^ +1

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[quote=SmootSmack;619287]Really? Dixon was the only good thing to come out of training camp? And we're much worse off without Dixon?

Good for Dixon, but our D Line is just fine.[/quote]
Anthony Montgomery has been hurt all year, Griffin is at the end of his career, and what are we doing with Renaldo Wynn waiting for him to develop so he can be active. Ok, you are right he was the second best thing, Marko Mitchell was the first and he has yet to get on the field. Another dumb move. Tell me what came out of training, camp that was better?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;619280]For all the people that thought it was no big deal when so many of us were up in arms about the absolutely stupid decision to cut Antonio Dixon. He got his first sack today and is part of their defensive line rotation. He has played in every game. This was the only good thing to come out of training camp and our dumb coaches cut him.[/quote]

Well, we would have to let someone else go if we decided to keep Dixon.. Although the spot for Anothony Montgomery could have been easily filled in by Dixon..

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[quote=GridIron26;619294]Well, we would have to let someone else go if we decided to keep Dixon.. Although the spot for Anothony Montgomery could have been easily filled in by Dixon..[/quote]

Well i think Dixon had more upside then Monty & Wynn especially Wynn.

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I just realy pisses me off, that we let him go. We have had so few undrafted free agents that have been worth keeping. Those are the players that realy help a franchise succeed. It is how we built our teams of the eighties. It would be one less position to think about in our next draft.

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The guy had one sack (and what like 4 tackles all season) and we're up in arms about it? Really? Nevermind that we have Golston, Jarmon, Haynesworth, Griffin, Carter, Orakpo, heck even Chris Wilson can play the line. And maybe Carter or Griffin will be gone next year, or both. So what, Antonio Dixons are a dime a dozen. I guarantee we'll find another free agent, training camp hero defensive linemen next summer.

Really, of all the things to be upset about Dixon is not one of them. Like I said good for him, but losing him is irrelevant

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[quote=SmootSmack;619287]Really? Dixon was the only good thing to come out of training camp? And we're much worse off without Dixon?

Good for Dixon, but our D Line is just fine.[/quote]

Yes, good point. Thats great for him.

But that is the least of the Redskins problems. If the Offense could just play half as well as the D, we would be in decent shape.

Most know it starts up front and with a smart/quick decision making QB. Something IMO we have neither.

On to the thread. As we move through this horrible season, it appears very clear to me this is the end of the line for Blache and more than likely the rest of the coaching staff.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619306]The guy had one sack (and what like 4 tackles all season) and we're up in arms about it? Really? Nevermind that we have Golston, Jarmon, Haynesworth, Griffin, Carter, Orakpo, heck even Chris Wilson can play the line. And maybe Carter or Griffin will be gone next year, or both. So what, Antonio Dixons are a dime a dozen. I guarantee we'll find another free agent, training camp hero defensive linemen next summer.

Really, of all the things to be upset about Dixon is not one of them. Like I said good for him, but losing him is irrelevant[/quote]
I see what you are saying, but I saw what i believe to be more than just a dime a dozen talent. The guy is a rookie. A team like the Eagles, have used him as part of thier rotation every game. We just payed a hundred million for a DT. You watch, he is more than another UDF. I watched him closely and he was a bull dozer coming through the middle on every play(in pre-season).

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Don't really care about Dixon per se, but it does show that our FO should be looking at other practice squads for an OL addition. Seems like we might be able to mine some team with a deep OL like Philly claimed Dixon.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;619319]Don't really care about Dixon per se, but it does show that our FO should be looking at other practice squads for an OL addition. Seems like we might be able to mine some team with a deep OL like Philly claimed Dixon.[/quote]
We could have claimed Jamon Meredith from the Packers or Lydon Murtha from the Lions. Players that I had been praying they would sign. I even said it here on warpath, but the Bills signed Meredith and the dolphins signed Murtha. But yes, they should be looking for a player to develop that is young and has tools to work with. My last player that I think that they should pick up is Brian Brohm, off the Packers practice squad.

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Dixon just blocked a field goal.