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I didn't even think Thomas would last this long. Figured it'd be his neck or back that would be his undoing though

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If Rinehart comes in and plays well, we'll be better off in the long run.

This is probably the best part of the season to have a different RG in there. There will be an adjustment period, but with Detroit, Tampa, Carolina, and Kansas City coming up, we can flounder to 3-1 while the offense gets back to what it does well.

We don't need to blow anyone out in the next few weeks, though a warning shot or two would be nice. But by December, there better be some beatdowns going on.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592150]If Rinehart comes in and plays well, we'll be better off in the long run.

This is probably the best part of the season to have a different RG in there. There will be an adjustment period, but with Detroit, Tampa, Carolina, and Kansas City coming up, we can flounder to 3-1 while the offense gets back to what it does well.

We don't need to blow anyone out in the next few weeks, though a warning shot or two would be nice. But by December, there better be some beatdowns going on.[/quote]

I agree. If it had to happen it couldn't of happened at a better time and will probably be for the best in the long run. I think the more Rinehart plays the better he'll get.

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With the freakout going on today, I'm surprised no one has pointed out that we won't play a nationally televised game for another five weeks. That's plenty of time to figure out minor things like playcalling inside the ten.

Randy Thomas' injury is more concerning than anything that happened in this game, but they can recover.

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[quote=SBXVII;592146]We still have O-lineman. MW, the center from Maryland we picked up plays Guard, we could bring back Bridges. There's a lot we could do.[/quote]
Bridges signed with Arizona. I think we will be fine with Rinehart. If not we could sign Kendal. Pretty sure he could play RG.

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For us to get better we need to run to the right. Next week we should run right ever running play till we get it right.

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[quote=Mattyk72;592093]His cap hit is around $5M next year, he's probably as good as gone.[/quote]
no cap next season, remember?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592180]For us to get better we need to run to the right. Next week we should run right ever running play till we get it right.[/quote]
3 and out may prevent that?

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What worries the hell out of me is why Chad Rhinehart is a healthy scratch two years after being a third round pick.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;592206]What worries the hell out of me is why Chad Rhinehart is a healthy scratch two years after being a third round pick.[/quote]Because it has to be someone, and offensive lineman who aren't in the gameplan are the no-brainers of the inactives. Since you don't rotate at the position, there's going to be 2 OL inactives every week.

If I'm not mistaken, Thomas to IR would free up his base salary to be used on signing a guy like Jonas Jennings or Jon Runyan.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;592206]What worries the hell out of me is why Chad Rhinehart is a healthy scratch two years after being a third round pick.[/quote]

I hope it's because he only does one spot on the line, and when Montgomery and Williams cover all the spots then you just waste an active spot that Zorn wants to use for a WR or RB. I hope he will be the starting RG next week and will step up as is expected of him.

That's what I hope

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We have Chad Reinhart, Mike Williams, and Edwin Williams. Edwin is listed as a Center but I thought I read he also played Guard. I guess the next few day will tell if they trust Reinhart or not. If they don't they will go out and pick up another Guard.

I would think they would use MW only cause I think he did well at Guard unless Chad realy is better then some of us expect and steps in and shines, which I and most of you would have to hope for only cause anyone we bring in is going to have a learning curve.

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This latest injury to Thomas is indicitive of just why we were all camoring for the FO to draft young linemen capable of being developed. Hopefully we'll soon come to the realization that while O-linemen may not be as marketable as the skilled players, they are the cornerstones of any football team. It's not likely Thomas will play again for the Redskins if indeed he is lost for the season.

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[quote=Longtimefan;592223]This latest injury to Thomas is indicitive of just why we were all camoring for the FO to draft young linemen capable of being developed. Hopefully we'll soon come to the realization that while O-linemen may not be as marketable as the skilled players, they are the cornerstones of any football team. It's not likely Thomas will play again for the Redskins if indeed he is lost for the season.[/quote]Well, that's what Rinehart is, so I mean, we will see. If he gets it done, the FO was prepared, if he doesn't they weren't prepared enough.

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[quote=Longtimefan;592223]This latest injury to Thomas is indicitive of just why we were all camoring for the FO to draft young linemen capable of being developed. Hopefully we'll soon come to the realization that while O-linemen may not be as marketable as the skilled players, they are the cornerstones of any football team. It's not likely Thomas will play again for the Redskins if indeed he is lost for the season.[/quote]

Can you say Alex Mack? He would have been an excellent addition.

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[quote=GTripp0012;592227]Well, that's what Rinehart is, so I mean, we will see. If he gets it done, the FO was prepared, if he doesn't they weren't prepared enough.[/quote]


Rinehart was a rave the day he was drafted, seemingly after he arived at Redskin Park opinions seemed to change. We shall see. Plus, he's just one player, with age, coupled with other problems along the line, we need to draft more than just one lineman in next years draft.

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Every time I here this crap about how if we sustain an injury, we wont be prepared I get pissed off. Name one team in the NFL that can afford to lose there LT. We will be fine. Rinehart will be the starter. Montgomery was active because he plays center and guard in a pinch, like this game. They are as prepared as they could be, they kept 10 Olinemen. What more do you want. Rinehart is young, has a year under his belt and is ready to show us why he was drafted third. If he sucks they will cut him and sign someone else for god sakes. No team, has a team full of second string starters. Last year we had injuries to our RT,RG,LT, what did you expect.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592239]Every time I here this crap about how if we sustain an injury, we wont be prepared I get pissed off. Name one team in the NFL that can afford to lose there LT. We will be fine. Rinehart will be the starter. Montgomery was active because he plays center and guard in a pinch, like this game. They are as prepared as they could be, they kept 10 Olinemen. What more do you want. Rinehart is young, has a year under his belt and is ready to show us why he was drafted third. If he sucks they will cut him and sign someone else for god sakes. No team, has a team full of second string starters. Last year we had injuries to our RT,RG,LT, what did you expect.[/quote]


This team needs to improve on the O-line, plain & simple.......No excuses.

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[quote=Longtimefan;592249]This team needs to improve on the O-line, plain & simple.......No excuses.[/quote]
So far they have given up 3 sacks, not bad.

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From Buges assessment I'd say Chad is the likely replacement...he was inactive today cuz the Montgomery kid can play center/guard. Chad should be alright overall but there are too things to keep in mind: 1) he sporadically misses big assignments and lets a dlineman or blitzing LB through clean so the risk of a big injury on JC just went up a bit and 2) last year when he struggled in practice he just went into a tailspin of sorts (i remember it from a few articles). Let's hope he's got the mental game down better. We really, really need a brawler on that side...so bad. Rinehart was a freak in college...he mauled more defenders to the ground than any other LT his senior year (i remember reading this). To me that indicates a mean streak...with any luck he digs down and finds that nasty bastard inside himself and we see the oline gain some swagger :)

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[quote=Longtimefan;592235]Rinehart was a rave the day he was drafted, seemingly after he arived at Redskin Park opinions seemed to change. We shall see. Plus, he's just one player, with age, coupled with other problems along the line, we need to draft more than just one lineman in next years draft.[/quote]Certainly, I agree.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592250]So far they have given up 3 sacks, not bad.[/quote]


Sacks allowed is just a portion of playing effectively on the O-line. If that was all there is to it, one could say they're a very good O-line, but you and I both know that is far from being acurate.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592239]Every time I here this crap about how if we sustain an injury, we wont be prepared I get pissed off. Name one team in the NFL that can afford to lose there LT. We will be fine. Rinehart will be the starter. Montgomery was active because he plays center and guard in a pinch, like this game. They are as prepared as they could be, they kept 10 Olinemen. What more do you want. Rinehart is young, has a year under his belt and is ready to show us why he was drafted third. If he sucks they will cut him and sign someone else for god sakes. No team, has a team full of second string starters. Last year we had injuries to our RT,RG,LT, what did you expect.[/quote]
I hear you . Not to rain on your party , but The 2005 Steelers lost G's Faneca , Simmons , C) Hartings , Wr R. EL , Te , Tuman and RD Bettis ,, and repeated in 08 . It is still early in our season , but lets be honest , our offense has been very poor in scoring the last 4-5 years and we seem to bring in WR's / Fb's and TE's , the only constant is OL and QB . We are avg. 1 off / Td per game our last 10 games ?

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[quote=Longtimefan;592260]Sacks allowed is just a portion of playing effectively on the O-line. If that was all there is to it, one could say they're a very good O-line, but you and I both know that is far from being accurate.[/quote]
In my mind our O-line is vastly improved this year. I think Dockery is as good as picking a guard in the first round. Mike Williams will only get better every day, he stays in shape. Last year the Ravens with all there great drafting had to turn to an old man, with a monster beer belly, that was on his couch watching football to play RT. It happens, injuries cannot be prevented. Rinehart will step in next week and play great. He showed that he is capable of that in the preseason. If that does not work, we will put in Batiste. If that fails, there are plenty of guys out there that could fill in.

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[quote=budw38;592264]I hear you . Not to rain on your party , but The 2005 Steelers lost G's Faneca , Simmons , C) Hartings , Wr R. EL , Te , Tuman and RD Bettis ,, and repeated in 08 . It is still early in our season , but lets be honest , our offense has been very poor in scoring the last 4-5 years and we seem to bring in WR's / Fb's and TE's , the only constant is OL and QB . We are avg. 1 off / Td per game our last 10 games ?[/quote]
Yeah and Rothlisberger was the most sacked QB in the NFL. OK, now the constant is poor QB play. Although, tonight JC threw two nice passes in the red zone that should have been caught.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592282]In my mind our O-line is vastly improved this year. I think Dockery is as good as picking a guard in the first round. Mike Williams will only get better every day, he stays in shape. Last year the Ravens with all there great drafting had to turn to an old man, with a monster beer belly, that was on his couch watching football to play RT. It happens, injuries cannot be prevented. Rinehart will step in next week and play great. He showed that he is capable of that in the preseason. If that does not work, we will put in Batiste. If that fails, there are plenty of guys out there that could fill in.[/quote]

TO I feel you Bro. and I honestly hope you're right about all these guys as you seem to have so much faith in them. However, I feel with a reasonable amount of assurance that at the conclusion of this season the O-line will be a major topic of conversation on this forum. I stated previously, we will all be once again clamoring for the FO to upgrade the OL.

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I do have faith in Buges to make things work. Also, I think Rinehart will be fine as a guard--he's not a tackle and we've tried to move him out there.

We'll see.

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[quote=Longtimefan;592317]TO I feel you Bro. and I honestly hope you're right about all these guys as you seem to have so much faith in them. However, I feel with a reasonable amount of assurance that at the conclusion of this season the O-line will be a major topic of conversation on this forum. I stated previously, we will all be once again clamoring for the FO to upgrade the OL.[/quote]
I think that at the end of the year we will be saying how good our Oline is, because it will only get better as they gel together. This year we have a young guy to throw in there. Normally, it is a over the hill vet that we put in there. That is an improvement right there. Rinehart is an unknown, maybe a star in the making. This is what the experts have said we didn't have in the past. The young unknown to put in there when a vet goes down. In fact I will say that Randy going down is a blessing in disguise. He has been injured every year he has been here, and we have had to fill his spot or let him play sub par football. I love the guy but he has never been reliable.

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I'm actually looking forward to seeing Rinehart get his opportunity. Montgomery certainly looked shaky. Has Mike Williams ever played guard, or is he exclusively a tackle?

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[quote=SouperMeister;592383]I'm actually looking forward to seeing Rinehart get his opportunity. Montgomery certainly looked shaky. Has Mike Williams ever played guard, or is he exclusively a tackle?[/quote]
I think he played some guard in the NFL with Buffalo, but I would say he is a tackle right now.

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So what are our options out there in free agency to bolster the line?

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[quote=Ruhskins;592396]So what are our options out there in free agency to bolster the line?[/quote]I'm pretty sure that Pete Kendall is available. That's who I'd be calling since he knows the offense.

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Okay, so -- Week 2, our first starter on the O-line goes down.

Can't say we couldn't see this coming. Cerrato's been whistling past the graveyard for years with the O-line. I bet they figured Thomas would last another ten years or so.

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[quote=Beemnseven;592404]Okay, so -- Week 2, our first starter on the O-line goes down.

Can't say we couldn't see this coming. Cerrato's been whistling past the graveyard for years with the O-line. I bet they figured Thomas would last another ten years or so.[/quote]

Though I think we probably have some good choices with Montgomery and Rinehart...what better way to develop your young players than having them actually play.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;592343]I think that at the end of the year we will be saying how good our Oline is, because it will only get better as they gel together. This year we have a young guy to throw in there. Normally, it is a over the hill vet that we put in there. That is an improvement right there. Rinehart is an unknown, maybe a star in the making. This is what the experts have said we didn't have in the past. The young unknown to put in there when a vet goes down. In fact I will say that Randy going down is a blessing in disguise. He has been injured every year he has been here, and we have had to fill his spot or let him play sub par football. I love the guy but he has never been reliable.[/quote]


I must say I have the maximum admiration for your optimism. There's no fault in that.

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Other then Kendall ....who is out there that's still available and worth looking into?

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[quote=Longtimefan;592465]I must say I have the maximum admiration for your optimism. There's no fault in that.[/quote]

Well don't people bitch about how we don't build through the draft, develop players, and always go with old players at the line? Well, this is an opportunity change our ways and develop a player we drafted by letting him play with the other starters and add youth to our o-line.

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[quote=Ruhskins;592457]Though I think we probably have some good choices with Montgomery and Rinehart...what better way to develop your young players than having them actually play.[/quote]

True -- they'll have to play at some point. I think we'd all prefer to have somebody beating out Randy Thomas on a performance basis though.

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[quote=Beemnseven;592484]True -- they'll have to play at some point. I think we'd all prefer to have somebody beating out Randy Thomas on a performance basis though.[/quote]

Agreed..though this may be a good way to part ways with a guy who's losing his abilities due to age.

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From 2001-2007, there were no offensive linemen picked in the first three rounds of the draft. That's a pattern. And not a winning one I might add.

edit: check that -- first two rounds of the draft (Dockery, 3rd round 2003)