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[quote=mredskins;592901]You are so right becasue after watching the Skins the last two weeks how could we not just walk into Detriot and expected a win, we are just that good! ***eyes rolling***[/quote]


Nice witty comeback. I think we win, but we win ugly again. The Lions show some promise with Stafford and can score TD's. Not to sure how the hell Zorn is going to make adjustments to score in the red zone since that is what the whole point the game of football is about. It is coming down to playcalling and the lack of execution by our Wr corp, with occasional screw ups by our QB. These things shouldn't need to be worked on in the third game of the season. We need to kick Detroit's ass and put up 30+ points to get back on any type of track to be a winner again. Right now we look like last in our division again.

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Could we please do away with the idea that the Redskins typically play down to the competition? They're just not good enough for that myth to apply.

Red Zone offense is a major problem for them right now, not just against teams like the Rams but against everybody.

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[quote=mredskins;592951]Stop gap head coachs? Ok........hmmmmm...weird....letting it sink in....no.....i am pretty sure.....wait....yeah they are not stop gaps![/quote]

Shanahan and Holmgren would be around about 3-5 yrs and would be looking to retire. Holmgren already stepped out of Seattle, you think he wants to coach another 7-10 yrs? Shanahan was fired, but he is getting up in the age as well.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;592964]Could we please do away with the idea that the Redskins typically play down to the competition? They're just not good enough for that myth to apply.

Red Zone offense is a major problem for them right now, not just against teams like the Rams but against everybody.[/quote]


Exactly, good teams do not play down to anybody. They beat the shit out of them like the Pats, the Boys or Niners of old.

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[quote=SmootSmack;592955]Brian Schottenheimer[/quote]

Ok sign me up please, because Zorn's the furthest thing from innovative. Like I said, the people around me at the game must have thought I was psychic. Im a dumbass fan, but even I could predict Zorn's playcalling 95% of the time.

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Do opponents even gameplan us running to the right? A nice bootleg every once in while would help the run a lot too.

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[quote=roth74va;592967]Ok sign me up please, because Zorn's the furthest thing from innovative. Like I said, the people around me at the game must have thought I was psychic. [B]Im a dumbass fan, but even I could predict Zorn's playcalling 95% of the time[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

Not in the Red Zone! I sincerely doubt that you could have imagined a WR screen to the short side of the field inside the 10 yard line against the Giants or a HB pass on 3rd and goal at the 5 yard line against the Rams. I know I couldn't.

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[quote=roth74va;592953]I dont want Cowher, [B]although he does bring alot of emotion to the game. I dont think he would accept the team playing like this, and wouldnt hesitate in calling out the problem.[/B]
Id rather see someone with a more offensive mindset. The NFL is now a passing league, and having someone more innovative with the playcalling would help tremendously IMO. Is there any young offensive coaches out there equivalent to Spag's and/or LeBeau's defensive playcalling?

Anyways....if we lose the Detroit game, its gonna be very ugly.[/quote]

Thats a bad thing? maybe thats what we need. :)

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;592965]Shanahan and Holmgren would be around about 3-5 yrs and would be looking to retire. Holmgren already stepped out of Seattle, you think he wants to coach another 7-10 yrs? Shanahan was fired, but he is getting up in the age as well.[/quote]


Ok, whatever. Last time I checked NFL coaches don't really stick around all that long.

Personally I like to see Shanahan come here jsut becasue I am tired of watching Redskin football being played like a monkey trying to f--k a football. I just want to see TD's and lots of them!

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;592972]Thats a bad thing? maybe thats what we need. :)[/quote]

Nope...agreed thats a good thing. I just dont see Cowher being a huge help to our offense, which is the real problem. Id like to see Jerry Gray given a shot at defensive coordinator.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;592971]Not in the Red Zone! I sincerely doubt that you could have imagined a WR screen to the short side of the field inside the 10 yard line against the Giants or a HB pass on 3rd and goal at the 5 yard line against the Rams. I know I couldn't.[/quote]

Thats the 5% because they are idiotic playcalls, that arent gonna work...EVER. Do you see any other NFL team running this crap, the answer is NO!

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I dont care who we are playing, the Skins face a potential loss everytime they take the field. We are not a good enough team to kill anybody, have the teams in the league are in the same boat.

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[quote=Chico23231;592996]I dont care who we are playing, [B]the Skins face a potential loss everytime they take the field[/B]. We are not a good enough team to kill anybody, [B]have the teams in the league are in the same boat.[/B][/quote]

Good points.

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so the drama is set, one way or another an epic fail WILL occur on Sunday. Either

A) the Skins lose (highly unlikely)

or

B) they win, and this very thread itself becomes an epic fail.
It really is already a fail, but the Epic nature won't be clear till Sunday afternoon.

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I don't see why it's very likely we'll loose. Stafford has been pretty bad, I can't see them putting up more than 10 points. As for our offense...

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I actually see us winning by 14 points. I'm not BSing either.

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I think the Lions have their best chance at breaking their 18 game losing streak on us because we're running out of Special Teams members to lead us to victory.

Week 1 - Hunter Smith had to score the only TD vs a non-prevent defense
Week 2 - Shawn Suisham had to provide us with the only points we could score in our win

If Rock Cartwright can return 3 kickoffs for TD's then we should be able to pull out a close victory in the lions game.

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Hey speaking of epic fail, was Haynesworth putting less pressure than Griffin was. Sure did not see a whole lot out of him yesterday.

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Well, at least we won't go in over-confident! That's been one of our biggest problems in the recent past.

With this team, anything is possible--from the best to the worst, or so it seems to me.

As for the HC discussion, why do y'all think ANY of these marquee names would come to us? Last time, we couldn't get them and we settled on Zorn--are things BETTER now? I'd say they are worse. Why come here, unless it's just to pick up a quick check from Danny? What we want is one of the young up-and-coming coordinators--those that have shown creativity and fire, NOT an old guy. We had the best old guy ever in Gibbs II and it didn't work out.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;593045]Hey speaking of epic fail, was Haynesworth putting less pressure than Griffin was. Sure did not see a whole lot out of him yesterday.[/quote]

Look more closely. AH brings the heavy heat every time. He sucks up Olinemen like a dustbuster. Griff is benefiting from not seeing double-teams for the first time in years.

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[quote=JWsleep;593050]Look more closely. AH brings the heavy heat every time. He sucks up Olinemen like a dustbuster. Griff is benefiting from not seeing double-teams for the first time in years.[/quote]

And the big bear paw batting down the 3rd down on the final drive.

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Wow, someone must have missed the game yesterday. AH was ballin'.

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When we start to fear the [B]Fightin' Lions[/B].........That's a problem
Get a grip Skinsville

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[quote=Mattyk72;593056]Wow, someone must have missed the game yesterday. AH was ballin'.[/quote]

And so was McIntosh, Fletcher and Horton on D.

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[quote=roth74va;592977]Nope...agreed thats a good thing.[B] I just dont see Cowher being a huge help to our offense, [/B]which is the real problem. Id like to see Jerry Gray given a shot at defensive coordinator.[/quote]

Cowher knows that Defense and running the football--winning in the trenches-- wins championships. Look at the teams in the past decade that set new scoring records, not many hoisted the Lombardi the same yr they did so. Viks,Rams,pats

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And yes, Horton,Mac and AH were doin it yesterday

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;593092]Cowher knows that Defense and running the football--winning in the trenches-- wins championships. Look at the teams in the past decade that set new scoring records, not many hoisted the Lombardi the same yr they did so. Viks,Rams,pats[/quote]


Excellent point, I just see the NFL turning into a passing league IMO. Not Pats bro, Id give anything to have their success lately, lol.

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[quote=Hog1;593071]When we start to fear the [B]Fightin' Lions[/B].........That's a problem
Get a grip Skinsville[/quote]

Like the Rams are formidable foes...it is not out of the question that the Lions game will be hard game for us to win.

People who know football AND are Skins fans are realistically questioning how we are going to score to beat the Lions...especially with loss to our O-Line.

If we can't score and the Lions can't score no matter what the game will be close at the end.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;593092]Cowher knows that Defense and running the football--winning in the trenches-- wins championships. Look at the teams in the past decade that set new scoring records, not many hoisted the Lombardi the same yr they did so. Viks,Rams,pats[/quote]

Well, to say that the Rams and Pats didn't hoist the Lombardi trophy in the years where their offenses broke records is a little misleading, seeing as how both teams won Super Bowls with basically the same squads, and they each at least [I]made it[/I] to the Super Bowls in the years in which their offenses were particularly stellar.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;593107]Like the Rams are formidable foes...it is not out of the question that the Lions game will be hard game for us to win.

People who know football AND are Skins fans are realistically questioning how we are going to score to beat the Lions...especially with loss to our O-Line.

If we can't score and the Lions can't score no matter what the game will be close at the end.[/quote]
I understand the why.........but these are the Lions 0-19 Lions? We might not be operating at peak performance, but I'll be damned if there is anything positive to be gained by looking for reasons to lose to THE 0-19 record holding LIONS.........not gonna' happeen.

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I bet half the posters on this board go out and buy gallons of water and boxes of batteries everytime the weatherman says there's a tropical storm in the Atlantic.

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Offense will definitely get off the schnide this sunday and in a big way. I see a large win. Detroit hasn't seen a defense like ours yet and I feel we may see a couple of defensive scores this week.

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[quote=dblanch66;593113]Offense will definitely get off the schnide this sunday and in a big way. I see a large win. Detroit hasn't seen a defense like ours yet and I feel we may see a couple of defensive scores this week.[/quote]


Great we beat the Lions...how does that bode on our prospects against competitive teams on the year?

We've played one game vs a competitive team so far and the outcome was dismal. Our performance against one of the league's bottom teams does not indicate to me that we're a top level team competitively.

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I was trying to remember the last time we had a consistently competent offense, and sadly, that was way back when Norv Turner was our coach. I'm very troubled that Zorn doesn't deploy multiple BIG receivers when the offense gets inside the 10 yard line. We have yet to see a fade to Kelly, Thomas, or Mitchell for that matter. Drafting all these big WRs is a total waste if we refuse to use them. We should have used the three 2nd round picks in 2008 to bolster O-line depth.

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[quote=53Fan;593112]I bet half the posters on this board go out and buy gallons of water and boxes of batteries everytime the weatherman says there's a tropical storm in the Atlantic.[/quote]

I sure do!

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[quote=SouperMeister;593138]I was trying to remember the last time we had a consistently competent offense, and sadly, that was way back when Norv Turner was our coach. I'm very troubled that Zorn doesn't deploy multiple BIG receivers when the offense gets inside the 10 yard line. We have yet to see a fade to Kelly, Thomas, or Mitchell for that matter. Drafting all these big WRs is a total waste if we refuse to use them. [B]We should have used the three 2nd round picks in 2008 to bolster O-line depth[/B].[/quote]

Yeah...it begs the question...Why did we try so hard to draft a receiver with our first 3 picks and then run, run, desperate pass, punt on every series?

These receivers we tried to secure with all 3 of our picks are going to have no impact in our run HEAVY offense...what the hell was so important to selecting them?

You're right why wouldn't we have drafted OL if we intended to run all the time?

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So help me out.....Where does our problems lie? I was thinking last night that we held the Giants to 23 points unlike Dallas. We were in the "Red Zone" 4-5 times against them which might have let us win the game. Defense again held their own yesterday but the offense let us down again. We were in the "Red Zone" 3-4 times which would have been a blow out had we scored TD's each time.

Watching the Giants/Dallas game it looks like their defenses are definitly not as good as ours, but their offenses are a lot better. Both teams scored on each other pretty freely. If we can get our scoring maching on a roll we might be a lot better team then both. Thats the good side of things.

What I observed, Dallas obviously has an outside running threat that the Giants didn't want to have them explioted so they spread out their defense 3 DL in the box to keep everything in front of them and between the tackles. Dallas ran up the middle all day. When we played the Giants they were not afraid of us running outside so they stacked the box with 8 DL in side the tackles which in effect took our running game away from us. Did anyone else notice and what can we do?

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Redskins 2
Lions 0

=P

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[quote=bucket;593143]redskins 2
lions 0

=p[/quote]

[font=arial black][size=5][color=red]!!safety!!..........yes![/color][/size][/font]

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;592884]You are certainly looking at the possibility of the Lions being favored by 2 1/2 or so despite losing 19 straight. They have some weapons on offense too. Kevin Smith put up 83 against a very good Minnesota defense and Calvin Johnson is a top five wide receiver in the league. If Johnson ever gets matched up with D. Hall that is serious trouble. Matthew Stafford might make some mistakes, but the Redskins have trouble capitalizing on those, and he will take some shots. Despite the final score, the Skins even struggled with them last year. Never mind the media being all over it, the Warpath servers will shut down if they lose to Detroit.[/quote]

You are smoking crack if you think the lions are going to be favored. No chance in hell that happens.