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[quote=SmootSmack;593526]D. Hall was just on ESPN's First Take

- We made too many mistakes. Defensively, couldn't get off the field on 3rd down

- Won't take anything away from the Rams, they played hard

- I definitely felt the fans frustration. Any time you get a win in this league you take it. I can feel their frustration though. We should have put the game out of reach

- Still think we've got some of the best fans in the world. We need to give them something to cheer about

- One mistake could have cost us the game. When I slipped and fell, that one mistake could have cost us the game

- Henson is just a young guy, doesn't know what he's talking about (re: the fans). Chalk it up to immaturity

- Liked the decision to go for it on 4th and 1 at the 2. Not getting in the end zone is inexcusable (I think that's what he said)

- Lions are a dangerous team. We're a 1-1 team going to play an 0-2 team. We can't worry about last year. Last year doesn't matter

- Hosting a charity benefit tonight in DC for the Reading Connection[/quote]

I don't see one thing wrong with what he said. In fact, I think he said it very well.

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[quote=SBXVII;593687]I understand Zorn is supposed to be a head coach but I found it interesting listening to Arrington going off on how Zorn could not take constructive criticism from Sam Huff and even went so far as to say Zorn does not have a clue, especially when a Hall of Fame QB, which Zorn is not, stated he called the wrong play at the goal line and Sam would have changed the play call to one with a better percentage and Zorn said he would have benched him the rest of the game.

So basically JC does not have room to wiggle when calling plays.[/quote]

I think it was Sonny.

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[quote=wilsowilso;593741]I think it was Sonny.[/quote]

Yes. Sam Huff was asleep through it all.

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Well maybe we ought to turn the offense over to Sonny and the "D" to Sam. We can call it "Grumpy Old Men 3" and laugh at the ensuing hijinks from 2 old farts who haven't played in over 30 years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;593530]Dude what the hell are you talking about? Are you even reading the same article?



I don't know what is it in here that you are referring to as making excuses for his play and complaining.[/quote]

He is making excuses cause he trying to say the offense sucks. He/I have to be perfect cause if we give up one score we may lose. No one plays perfect so why say that? Don't make excuses for the offense to justify your poor play. Just say I got beat and I gotta do better next time w/out mentioning the offense.

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I listened to the interview on ESPN and in no way did he blast the offense. He blasted himself when he said he fell in the endzone when they scored the TD. I thought he was classy and said all the right things. He didn't blame the fans, said he understood where we were coming from being pissed that they were one big play away from winning the game, or hell even a field goal away from winning. I hope that this doesn't get blown up to the be he blasted the offense and Jim Zorn, in no way was he negative about the offense on Zorn.

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We've known it for years now

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[quote=Steven4est22;593710]all zorn says is that the plays werent executed properly!!!!!!!!! I MEAN HELLO!!!!!!!!!! im sure if every play was executed to perfection it would work because when they drew it up it was intended to work[/quote]
True; you have to coach your players with what they can execute well and I haven't seen that in several years. If it's always an execution issue why do we keep so many of the same players?

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[quote=saden1;593507]Zorn went for it on 4th down, got them close and the offense couldn't punch it in. That's taking risks. We were 0-5 in the redzone. Zorn can take some of the blame not all the blame.[/quote]

Completely agree. However, despite how much Zorn wants to be able to smash mouth in the red zone, I don't think we have the personnel to do it.

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It wouldn't matter if he did. Everybody saw the game. Hell, find someone who's not blasting Zorn. I'm one of the most loyal Redskins fans and I don't approve of the Week 2product. We do have the personnel to light up the scoreboard in the RZ. We have everything, Pro Bowl TE, FB and RB, three WR's over 6'2" and a 6'5" QB. I think the Redskins will put up 35 vs the Lions.

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he is right. but... it takes alot of balls coming from him. hasn't done anything( but the one pick)

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[quote=skinsfan69;593751]He is making excuses cause he trying to say the offense sucks. He/I have to be perfect cause if we give up one score we may lose. No one plays perfect so why say that? Don't make excuses for the offense to justify your poor play. Just say I got beat and I gotta do better next time w/out mentioning the offense.[/quote]

Your D. Hall hate is showing. Nothing he said was covering up for anything.

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[quote=GreekSkin;593857]Your D. Hall hate is showing. Nothing he said was covering up for anything.[/quote]While I truly think that DeAngelo said nothing wrong here, let's not act like he wasn't trying to offer a potential excuse for future things going wrong. He was absolutely right: there's not a whole lot of margin for error when you play the Rams. He gave up one TD. If he had given up a second, we probably would have lost. He's absolutely 100% right.

Of course, don't ignore that the offense isn't responsible for giving Hall enough of a cushion to completely suck as an NFL db, and still play on a winner. Hall took responsibility for his poor play, but he's on a razor thin margin right now between acceptable and unacceptable coverage. The reason that there's no margin for error has little to do with the offense.

NFL cornerback is a ridiculously difficult position. You need multiple players who can play it well. Hall has to show he belongs in that category.

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I sure hope D Hall does not return to his old ways.

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He's just stating the obvious. If the Skins are going to win, it's going to be because of the Defense. He's just holding them accountable. Now if he was really being truthful, he would have said the D needs to score 1-2 TDs a game in order for them to have any chance of beating a half-way decent team.

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I didn't see anything wrong w/ Hall's comments, in fact I thought they were measured and thoughtful. I bet anything most of the defense feels just as he spoke: there is not margin for error because a single touchdown allowed i.e. 7 points, may result in a team loss.

I am starting to wonder how much players are considering the bigger picture, that is how awful the intuition/talent/thought-process within the FO must be to have created this situation. Many of the guys on the roster played under Gibbs/Williams. The FO boots two extremely talented coaches in Williams and Saunders for a guy w/ exactly zero OC/HC experience. Specifically, Williams had already been through the HC gamut once and probably learned a great deal from it and he had the respect of the roster. I clearly remember CP talking about how much he respected Williams and that's no small thing.

...my question is how long do players dedicate themselves when they recognize the [I]real[/I] decision-makers within the organization can't get shit right?

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I'm pretty sure Blache drills it into their heads that they shouldn't give up [B]any[/B] TD's. That's certainly the mindset you'd like them to have.

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[quote=53Fan;593750] We can call it "Grumpy Old Men 3" and laugh at the ensuing hijinks from 2 old farts who haven't played in over 30 years.[/quote]

Those two old farts are both in the Hall of fame and Sonny has forgotten more about football than Jim Zorn ever learned.

Only people on this team with a chance of the Hall right now could be Albert or Joe Bugel.

I can remember when George Allen sent in a play, and Sonny ignored it changed the play and threw a touchdown.

Allen benched him and put in Billy Kilmer.

Don't forget, The Danny respects Sonny's opinion a great deal.

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[quote=jgalecpa;593930]Those two old farts are both in the Hall of fame and Sonny has forgotten more about football than Jim Zorn ever learned.

Only people on this team with a chance of the Hall right now could be Albert or Joe Bugel.

I can remember when George Allen sent in a play, and Sonny ignored it changed the play and threw a touchdown.

Allen benched him and put in Billy Kilmer.

Don't forget, The Danny respects Sonny's opinion a great deal.[/quote]

I figured I'd hear something about this. Sonny was great but he is not a coach. You could make the same argument for Sam Huff but I sure as hell don't want him running our defense. As far as Sonny forgetting more about football than Zorn ever learned, I seriously doubt that. I do agree that Sonny has possibly forgotten a lot about football considering his age, but let's not forget that Zorn did pretty well as a QB for many years himself and has studied offenses that weren't even invented when Sonny played. This is in [B]no way[/B] saying Zorn was a better QB and no disrespect to Sonny, he was great and my fathers favorite QB, but he should probably leave the coaching to the coaches instead of undermining them.

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[quote=Mattyk72;593441]I think it's pretty obvious what the players are thinking. [B]Meanwhile Zorn keeps defending his play calling and placing blame on the execution[/B]. I hate to say it but unless the offense starts putting up points really soon it won't be long until there's a serious divide in the locker room, and when that happens the season is over.[/quote]Blaming execution is coach-speak for "the plays I'm calling should work, but players are screwing up". At some point, Zorn has to take some responsibility himself. Zorn is the anti-Gibbs in this respect. Joe took more bullets publicly for his players than they probably deserved, but that may explain why his teams never quit, and rallied to make the playoffs in '05 and '07. Zorn should take a page from Joe Gibbs on accepting more of the blame publicly.

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Even Sonny's blasting Zorn:

"Third down, I'm the quarterback, and you call the halfback throwing the ball for me, I'm calling timeout or calling an audible," Jurgensen said. "I'm not letting the halfback throw it. That's what you pay me for."
"Well, then, I would have to take you out of the game," Zorn countered. "As soon as you called timeout, I'd say what's wrong with my play, because...."
"It didn't work!" Jurgensen interrupted.
There was a long pause.
"No, but I called it to work. All right?" Zorn said. "We called it to work. It didn't work. There were a lot of plays out there that didn't work. And I'd take you out of the game. Sorry, Sonny."

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Zorn better win the division if he wants to have a job here next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;593446]I agree. Hall "blasted" Zorn but he did it by being honest and stating the obvious. The offense is horrible, most noteably due to Zorn's horrible game calling, playcalling, and game management skills. As far as i'm concerned, Zorn cannot be fired (or preferably just demoted) soon enough.

This will definitely be the last year he ever serves as a head coach or calls plays. I do think he is what Mike Holmgren knew he was - an excellent QB coach. But that's all he is. He's in way over his head and he's holding the team back.[/quote]

Thats the same old sh*t the St. Louis Rams fans were saying when Dick Vermil came back to coaching with the Rams. Remember? The fans wanted to run his old ass out of town but the Owner stuck with him and he turned that sorry ass Organization into a Super Bowl winner. They had the greatest show on turf. Its about giving a Coach time to teach , and aquire his guys to fit his coaching style. In Washington people want it now but it doesnt always happen over night. Lets support our team and give Zorn at least until the end of this season to evaluate his coaching job. Its Week 2 and we have dumbass fans calling for him to be fired. Marty started out 0-8 and we finsihed 8-8 and he was let go. He did go on to San Diego and have some success. We blamed Synder for firing Marty to soon,well here we are again folks what do you want a team that has some stability or a revolving door of Head Coaches? If you can't stand to be patient then get off the wagon and support some other team.

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[quote=roth74va;593482]Totally agree, well said![/quote]

When did D.Hall become the teams spokensperson? He has been here for a minute after the sorry as Raiders let him go. Hall SFU and do your Job. His ass out there tackling like he is Pillow fighting.

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[quote=saden1;593507]Zorn went for it on 4th down, got them close and the offense couldn't punch it in. That's taking risks. We were 0-5 in the redzone. Zorn can take some of the blame not all the blame.[/quote]

I agree on that. How about the O-line block someone.

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[quote=GMScud;593563]Agreed. He's saying the type of things an underperforming guy with a huge contract should be saying. And he's right. We need to cut out the mistakes, step it up, and put games "out of reach." I have no issue with these comments.[/quote]

D. Hall can give some of his Bonus back if he stinks up the joint this season. Put your money where your mouth is. I want D.Hall to do well for us but he has not been the same player that he was in ATL before Bobby Petrino took over. Get the big money and dont play up to the pay raise, why is that? he has rest of this year to bring his A game , lets go D.Hall don't talk about be about it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;593751]He is making excuses cause he trying to say the offense sucks. He/I have to be perfect cause if we give up one score we may lose. No one plays perfect so why say that? Don't make excuses for the offense to justify your poor play. Just say I got beat and I gotta do better next time w/out mentioning the offense.[/quote]

I also agree with that.

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[quote=skins89moss;594027]D. Hall can give some of his Bonus back if he stinks up the joint this season. Put your money where your mouth is. [B]I want D.Hall to do well for us but he has not been the same player that he was in ATL before Bobby Petrino took over.[/B] Get the big money and dont play up to the pay raise, why is that? he has rest of this year to bring his A game , lets go D.Hall don't talk about be about it.[/quote]

I think D. Hall can have 5 picks in a game and you'd probably complain why he didn't have 6.