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[quote=Ruhskins;597461]Maybe the team needs to be blown up and start from scratch, from the top down.[/quote]
I really hate to think that, but it may be the case. We have some tremendous, and talented guys on this team, but they are being wasted, as you cannot say that for what we put on the field.
I.....wonder if [B]"uncapped year[/B]" is better or worse for blowing up your team? It may work......

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597470]Are you talking about a demolition-ops attack on the head of the snake in Ashburn???...Damn that's pretty ballsy!

You better watch where you say that...lol...

You must be REALLY pissed...I like your style...lol : )[/quote]

Not really...I just think there needs to be a change at all levels on this team. It won't happen, but it would be nice. Unfortunately the fans and the ownership of this team are too impatient to get a team build up from scratch.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;597402]post the letter...and the address to mail it to...get more people on board- we'll take'em down, shawshank style[/quote]
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Unfortunately I did not save the letter but this is the jist of what I said:

I said I was a lifelong Skins fan and having worked in the NFL myself I know it is a business yada yada. I then said I felt compelled to say a few things and this is what I said.

1. Hire a GM, the current style of management is not working and has not in quite some time.
2. Time to start addressing the Offensive line either through the Draft or Free Agency (however lets not overpay like we like to do).
3. Again, HIRE A GM!!!!
4. Mr. Snyder stop micro-managing this team, it is not helping.
5. Respect your fan base. We love this organization but our patience is wearing thin. I cannot believe I would see the day where Redskins fans were embarrassed to be known as such.
6. Throwing more money around does not equal wins.

Address:
Redskin Park
21300 Redskin Park Drive
Ashburn VA 20147

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[quote=skinsfan69;597462]Sorry but those losses were WAY WORSE. You know why? Cause those were good teams. This is not a good team so my expectations are much lower. The bottom line is we're just an average football team.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree, I see alot of talent on this team. We just dont have the coaches that have the foresight to adjust to their players and make things work. Zorn and Blache both are so intent on doing it their way, I hope they end up coaching Pop warner football somewhere.

And I dont think 1-15 Dallas team would be considered a "good team", but today is the lowest Ive ever felt as a lifelong Skins fan.

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[quote=wilsowilso;597361]There is no reason for him to change. Redskins fans are major addicts and whatever bag of dope he feels like selling us he knows we will buy it.[/quote]

More like crack hoes.

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The team has more than enough talent to get to the playoffs. Look at SF.
It truly is a reflection of leadership, front office, and coaching. I had faith, and will look with any hope that's left that the players who have that respected voice in the locker room (... Fletcher... maybe Samuels) to get the ship righted whatever the personnel changes if there are any.

TB, CAR, KC next. could still be 4-2 going into Philly, though I doubt it.

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[quote=franklinhimself;597532]The team has more than enough talent to get to the playoffs. Look at SF.
It truly is a reflection of leadership, front office, and coaching. I had faith, and will look with any hope that's left that the players who have that respected voice in the locker room (... Fletcher... maybe Samuels) to get the ship righted whatever the personnel changes if there are any.

TB, CAR, KC next. could still be 4-2 going into Philly, though I doubt it.[/quote]
You win the optimist of the year award dude.

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[quote=Paintrain;597301]In my 30 years of being a Redskins fan, this is an all time low. Worse than losing the 1 game to the 1-15 Cowboys. Worse than losing 38-9 in the Super Bowl. Worse than any Spurrier loss or even the Coach 'Robinskie' era. We lost to a team that hadn't won a game in 20 months. Any team would be embarrassed by today's effort and result. It just happens to have happened to us.

So now what? I think Dan Snyder has to now acknowledge that it's not working. This is not just a loss, this is an organizational failure. This is a failure of management, coaching and players. This is an organizational opportunity to reset. If Snyder reacts by firing Zorn tomorrow, that would be a typical, old Snyder knee jerk reaction. I hope he gets the realization that it's not working and takes a few measured steps to correcting the course of the franchise.

What I'd like to see Snyder do tomorrow is start the search immediately for a President of Football Operations. Instead of operating from the sideline up, we need drastic change from the front office down. There are some people available (Casserly, Holmgren, Floyd Reese, Bruce Allen) that Snyder could bring in now and allow them to take the season to evaluate the roster, the front office staff and the coaching staff. He doesn't need to make a move on Zorn or Cerrato. Someone needs to come in and be our Parcells or Joe Banner. We need an experienced front office person to come in and set the direction for the football team. Let them make the decisions on the coach and GM.

Personally, I want Shanahan to be our coach for the next decade because I believe he's a brilliant and progressive offensive mind and one of our major problems for decades is lack of an offensive identity. But, I don't think he'll be any more successful than Turner, Schotty, Spurrier, Gibbs or Zorn under our current structure. Unless we have a strong front office structure and an organizational plan, we'll be wasting Shanahan's talent and more years of our players careers.

I know I'm not breaking any new ground with this post, but this is a crucial point for the future of the Washington Redskins. We can do business as usual or make a dramatic change in the way things are done in order to save this once proud franchise.[/quote]

I agree with almost everything except that, for me, the Cowboys game was worse. Detroit will beat other people this year, making it better.

The team president idea is a good one. Everyone would feel like they are accountable.

I am not so sure about Shanahan. By the end of his tenure he had the same problem as Zorn: he'd lost his locker room. Zorn had better get his act together ASAP. When the locker room stays lost, the season is over.

Otherwise I say bring on Tony Dungy!

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If they fire this unqualified, desperate, shit for brains then you are 100000000% correct

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I missed the game due to work.. it probably saved my tv. I cant believe the Bungles are doing better than us.

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So guys.... first overall pick in the upcoming draft. Who should WE take? 1 player or trade down and get more picks?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;597662]So guys.... first overall pick in the upcoming draft. Who should WE take? 1 player or trade down and get more picks?[/quote]


With shit for brains snyder we will probably pick Tebow.

Snyder, if you are listening... I truly hate your grandmother suing, fan gouging, 5 foot 4 ass. There is a special place in hell for people like you and no you aren't tall enough to ride the shuttle. Go jump into the river behind your house.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;597523]More like crack hoes.[/quote]


Dude thanks for the laugh!! So true though. Man can I get another hit man I'll #$#2 your !@#@.

This is embarrassing. At least at this point if we can get it turned around in a couple of years maybe we can be the team of the 2010s.

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[quote=pocket$ $traight;597670]with shit for brains snyder we will probably pick tebow.

Snyder, if you are listening... I truly hate your grandmother suing, fan gouging, 5 foot 4 ass. There is a special place in hell for people like you and no you aren't tall enough to ride the shuttle. Go jump into the river behind your house.[/quote]

my personal favorite post of the day!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597463]Our defensive backs can play better if they are coached better. We need to draft all OLs in the draft and maybe a linebacker and also pick up a vet LB so we can put Orakpo on the Dline.

Also I would never think I would say this but Doughty needs to play more.[/quote]

Thank you, thank you very much.

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Yes, until DS realizes that the FO needs to change it doesn't matter who the coach is for the most part. To go on the road and lose like that to a woeful team just tells me something is wrong. I know that's stating the obvious. I don't know what it is.

Anytime an organization hires a D coord and an O coordinator before their "new" coach something is wrong. It's downright laughable. Not so much the D coordinator but to hire JZ as offensive coordinator prior to hiring a coach is stupid. That tells you right there who "runs" the team and who the players respect.

I don't think they should fire JZ right now, but I do think they need to do some due dilegence. This is VC's guy too, so if JZ goes, VC has got to go. Period.

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Doughty has been playing very well the last couple of weeks. Would you have him start over horton?

We really miss having Sean Springs as our leader of the CBs. The dude was hurt a good bit but he also played very well for us. Seems that these CBs need to find a leader. They are young but not very good.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;597523]More like crack hoes.[/quote]

I wouldn't say that. Crack whores get something in return.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;597662]So guys.... first overall pick in the upcoming draft. Who should WE take? 1 player or trade down and get more picks?[/quote]

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Trade down and get more picks but we will draft someone like Tebow because that is Danny wants.

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I completely agree with the person who made this post..I think I can say with confidence now these 3 things:
Zorn Won't be here next year
Campbell won't be here next year
We won't go to the playoffs this year

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[quote=CultBrennan59;597746]I completely agree with the person who made this post..I think I can say with confidence now these 3 things:
Zorn Won't be here next year
Campbell won't be here next year
We won't go to the playoffs this year[/quote]


You are 3-3 my friend...

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i didn't read all of the posts but the opening post is the best thing i have read on this situation for quite some time.

I agree and was thinking as I listened to the loss... I can only hope they will make no rash decisions and set about rebuilding.

not much else to say... espicially as I am leaving for 5 days in michigan in the morning....ouch. talk about bad timing

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[quote=GusFrerotte;597434]We have a core group to build around, but only that. [B]Moss, Portis, and Cooley are gamers. [/B]JC had nice stats, but did not show poise at all. In fact Stafford showed more moxy than JC. Our offensive lined is rather aged and needs to go. Our entire draft should be linemen next season and defensive backs. We have no depth at all at any position, except RB.[/quote]

You're right about Cooley, but even he doesn't find the endzone very often. Moss decided to show up today. Thanks a lot Santana, season only started three weeks ago. Portis -- God bless him, he takes a pounding, but he isn't a game breaker anymore.

We don't have the weapons, period.

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The best thing that could happen for this franchise would be for Danny (AKA grifter SOB) to stick a shotgun in his mouth and pull the trigger with his toe.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597815]The best thing that could happen for this franchise would be for Danny (AKA grifter SOB) to stick a shotgun in his mouth and pull the trigger with his toe.[/quote]

Snyder is the least of our problems

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Beemer has it right -- we are just not that talented. To think otherwise is delusional.

On the other hand, this particular group of players would be performing better in a better-run organization. So Paintrain has that right: It's the organization and that needs to be rebuilt from the top down, and the top means someone other than DS and VC.

Until that happens, we fans have to say NO MORE and stop giving the midget our hard-earned cash. You can be a diehard Skins fan and still reject this current mess.

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[quote=SmootSmack;597822]Snyder is the least of our problems[/quote]

Yet he's still a problem. You'll have to excuse me, after seeing the team get shut out in the first half I want blood.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597825]Yet he's still a problem. You'll have to excuse me, after seeing the team get shut out in the first half I want blood.[/quote]

Snyder is the owner i want for this team. He will do anything and go get any player or coach to win. He's not a stupid man, if we have a poor showing this year i think he does the right thing and gets rid of VC and brings in a true GM.

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[quote=SmootSmack;597822]Snyder is the least of our problems[/quote]

Eff that...he is the problem and his removal from operations is the cure.

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[quote=Beemnseven;597809]You're right about Cooley, but even he doesn't find the endzone very often. Moss decided to show up today. Thanks a lot Santana, season only started three weeks ago. Portis -- God bless him, he takes a pounding, but he isn't a game breaker anymore.

We don't have the weapons, period.[/quote]

I agree about Portis. He doesn't break or run through tackles anymore, he's not the cutback runner that he used to be and certainly doesn't have that 2nd gear to break away. I think he's still a starter in this league, but I think Gibbs 2.0 took has taken it's toll on CP. He's still all heart though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;597822]Snyder is the least of our problems[/quote]

What? Snyder is the architect of this mess. He's responsible for Vinny, he's responsible for Zorn, he's responsible for the revolving door of coaching, he's responsible for setting a tone of DC being the place over-the-hill players come to collect a paycheck. He's also playing us fans for suckers, and geez are we sucking!

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[quote=WaldSkins;597829]Snyder is the owner i want for this team. He will do anything and go get any player or coach to win. He's not a stupid man, if we have a poor showing this year i think he does the right thing and gets rid of VC and brings in a true GM.[/quote]

Can I have some of your Kool Aid? I don't see the space ships yet!

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[quote=HTTR;597835]What? Snyder is the architect of this mess. He's responsible for Vinny, he's responsible for Zorn, he's responsible for the revolving door of coaching, he's responsible for setting a tone of DC being the place over-the-hill players come to collect a paycheck. He's also playing us fans for suckers, and geez are we sucking![/quote]

Unless you find a way to convince Snyder to sell the team, he is a problem that cannot be solved.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597845]Can I have some of your Kool Aid? I don't see the space ships yet![/quote]

Oh YeAh!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;597846]Unless you find a way to convince Snyder to sell the team, he is a problem that cannot be solved.[/quote]

What happened to your live C-4 demo-ops??? I had a lot of faith that you'd be a faithful fans and go through with your plot. Guess I have to wait for someone insane or mad enough to do that...lol : )

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597848]What happened to your live C-4 demo-ops??? I had a lot of faith that you'd be a faithful fans and go through with your plot. Guess I have to wait for someone insane or mad enough to do that...lol : )[/quote]

I think blowing up Snyder with C-4 would be considered a crime. Not to the fans, but you know, to the judicial system. LOL.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597845]Can I have some of your Kool Aid? I don't see the space ships yet![/quote]

All the coaches that everyone is proposing we bring in(Cowher, Shanahan, Holgrem) are not going to take this job with VC in his role. Do you think Snyder is going to be that stupid letting 3 different superbowl winning coaches walk instead of firing Cerrato?

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[quote=WaldSkins;597852]All the coaches that everyone is proposing we bring in(Cowher, Shanahan, Holgrem) are not going to take this job with VC in his role. Do you think Snyder is going to be that stupid letting 3 different superbowl winning coaches walk instead of firing Cerrato?[/quote]

I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.

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This game sucked. Apart from the opening drive of the second half the Skins showed little to no fire all day, way to stay "medium" guys. This game was horrible, and it shows exactly how poor of a job Cerrato has done in his tenure. We have depth at safety (maybe) and possibly defensive line.

Zorn has done a horrible job of developing the youngsters, meanwhile I keep seeing young receivers everywhere else in the league getting a shot to make plays. Maybe we didn't need three receivers (two wr and one te) in the 2nd round last year, maybe we should have at least attempted to address our depth at LB. It sucks that our d-line gets no pressure still, that our secondary has no identity and continuously plays ten yards off the ball on 3rd and 4, that the same things that plagued us under Gibbs 2.0 continue to plague us. I'm frustrated, but I don't want to see Zorn's head on a stake. I want to see some improvement. Only I have zero confidence that I will.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597854]I agree with SS. Fire Vinny and Zorn. Bring in Russ Grimm. Shit, might as well bring in Cody Grimm. Anything is better than losing to the Lions.[/quote]

Dont be surprised when this happens. Knowing our owner, with his snydy senses tingling, Gibbs could be coach tomorrow.