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[quote=47FAN;603518]is holmgren getting his staff ready for next year? possibly keep zorn for qb coach?[/quote]
don't think an HC, even perhaps undeserved of the hire, would stay on for such a demotion

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[quote=SmootSmack;603523]Ok now I'm maybe being a conspiracy theorist, but why specify a "history with Holmgren"

“It’s not a threat at all,” Cerrato said. “Jim welcomed the idea if it was the right guy. So we came up with a list of people that had a background in the West Coast offense and a history with Holmgren. Nobody’s job on offense changes. Jim still calls the plays.”

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Cerrato_On_Lewis_Hire___Another_Set_of_Eyes__67264.jsp"]Cerrato: Lewis 'Another Set of Eyes' For Zorn[/URL]

Interesting note about the experience coaching receivers. He can replace Smith and Hixon at once![/quote]
because the west coast has branched off so much they prob want someone closer to the holmgren fam

don't think vinny would let himself slip that much.. he said he came up with the people along with zorn, so I'm sure it was zorn's preference that the person be in the same tree

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Zorn HC, Lewis OC, Holmgren GM ??

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[quote=Defensewins;603525]Not a good sign if your boss tells you he is bringing in a consultant to see why you suck.[/quote]
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[quote=Paintrain;603528]Biggest issue everyone noted to an in-season firing of Zorn, he's the HC, playcaller and QB coach. [B]Well, now you can promote Blache to HC[/B], make Lewis the play caller and Meidt the QB coach. Zorn gets fired after the Philly game. I'm just saying.

Lewis was OC for Holmgren, but also coached with Shanny in SF. Hope he's got a solid calling plan because his minutes are going to be increasing.[/quote]
lol what

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603558]Zorn HC, Lewis OC, Holmgren GM ??[/quote]
don't see a huge reason to only replace sherman smith

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56bTXtzTJGw]YouTube - Oscar Rogers Redskins Consultant[/url]

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I welcome the move. Lewis has a tremendous background in the WC offense, and an abundance of overall coaching experience on both sides of the ball. His addition can only be an asset. Good move....

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Ok is it me or what. Everytime someones name comes up it seems everyone here knows what the guy has done over the past 20 years. It never fails. Either some people have to much time on their hands or they just make up the stuff they post. LOL

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[quote=firstdown;603583]Ok is it me or what. Everytime someones name comes up it seems everyone here knows what the guy has done over the past 20 years. It never fails. Either some people have to much time on their hands or they just make up the stuff they post. LOL[/quote]

Or they can read.

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[quote=tryfuhl;603560]lol what[/quote]

Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant, IF Snyder makes an in-season move on Zorn, the pieces are in place to do so. He could promote Blache to interim HC, Lewis to OC/playcaller and make Meidt the QB coach.

One of the things I hope comes out of this is for Lewis to recognize and tell JC to:
#1-have some fun. He's such a robo-QB that's thinking too much and trying to make everyone happy. Just play dude, you've got the talent and ability just let it flow.
#2-Forget what Gibbs told you about being so safe. It's obvious he's hearing too many voices and the first one he heard in the NFL was of a scared old coach. Not to run down Gibbs but you can tell JC is still playing to his conservative coaching. Moss said as much the other day, 'Checkdowns won't win us games. He's got to take some chances.' Gibbs was the quintessential 'don't take chances' coach and Brunell reinforced that to the max.
#3-Yards are yards. If you have to run to pick up the first down, make the decision to get the hell outta there and get the hell outta there!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603558]Zorn HC, Lewis OC, Holmgren GM ??[/quote]

I was thinking something like:

Zorn = Gets fired by seasons end or maybe as soon as the bye week.

Lewis = Done at the end of season, when new HC and staff come in, the team will no longer have a need for "A fresh set of eyes....."

Holmgren = Will be in the mix for the Redskins new Head Coaching gig.

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[quote=Paintrain;603593]Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant, IF Snyder makes an in-season move on Zorn, the pieces are in place to do so. He could promote Blache to interim HC, Lewis to OC/playcaller and make Meidt the QB coach.

One of the things I hope comes out of this is for Lewis to recognize and tell JC to:
#1-have some fun. He's such a robo-QB that's thinking too much and trying to make everyone happy. Just play dude, you've got the talent and ability just let it flow.
#2-Forget what Gibbs told you about being so safe. It's obvious he's hearing too many voices and the first one he heard in the NFL was of a scared old coach. Not to run down Gibbs but you can tell JC is still playing to his conservative coaching. Moss said as much the other day, 'Checkdowns won't win us games. He's got to take some chances.' Gibbs was the quintessential 'don't take chances' coach and Brunell reinforced that to the max.
#3-Yards are yards. If you have to run to pick up the first down, make the decision to get the hell outta there and get the hell outta there![/quote]
Oh.. in-season, yeah I guess

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;603595]I was thinking something like:

Zorn = Gets fired by seasons end or maybe as soon as the bye week.

Lewis = Done at the end of season, when new HC and staff come in, the team will no longer have a need for "A fresh set of eyes....."

Holmgren = Will be in the mix for the Redskins new Head Coaching gig.[/quote]

How about this Lewis as the HC at the end of the season if he improves the offense and have him bring in some new position coaches - especially someone to replace Hixon.

Make Holmgren the GM (will never happen)

Put Zorn in aS OC under Lewis game plan or keep him as QB coach. (slight possibility -- but I doubt it)

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Sherman Lewis will recognize the wisdom of putting Hunter Smith in the Wildcat.

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They sticking with Zorn JCis gone after the year.
Lewis is here to help Zorn get over this hump.
I like Campbell.

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[quote=Lotus;603608]Sherman Lewis will recognize the wisdom of putting Hunter Smith in the Wildcat.[/quote]

LMAO. But on a serious note. We should use Devin like the Vikings use Harvin. Just a thought..

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He also coached under Mariucci...

Hopefully get can get through to Devin Thomas since Lewis is a Michigan St guy and coached Rice, Taylor and Sharpe.

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Based on what I have read about Lewis, seems like a good move.. Once again, credits to Vinny :)

I hope this move will certainly jump start our offense..

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this can't hurt the team ! zorn needs some help in organization and thinking plays all the way through .. i'm all for this move

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[quote=tryfuhl;603559][IMG]http://www.tribbleagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bobs.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


LOL. Can you imagine if your boss calls you in and tells you that he's bringing in a consultant to help out with your duties??? Zorn's days are so numbered.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;603610]They sticking with Zorn JCis gone after the year.
Lewis is here to help Zorn get over this hump.
I like Campbell.[/quote]

This post reminds me of this.
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[quote=skinsfan_nn;603595]I was thinking something like:

Zorn = Gets fired by seasons end or maybe as soon as the bye week.

Lewis = Done at the end of season, when new HC and staff come in, the team will no longer have a need for "A fresh set of eyes....."

[B]Holmgren = Will be in the mix for the Redskins new Head Coaching gig.[/quote][/B]

[B]Holmgren will be the next coach here and I bet Lewis will be the OC. Count on it. I think Zorn's playcalling has done him in. [/B]

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[quote=firstdown;603520]You guys act like Holmgren is sitting up an DS office.[/quote]

He may not be sitting up in his office but I bet if you looked through Snyder's cell phone, Holmgren's # has been dialed a few times.

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I really wish we could go 5 minutes without Snyderatto trying to "fix" things. The Redskins are composed completely now of all their various "fixes". How many times have they gone fishing for a RB after the season is underway? It' absurd. I know it's hard to accept when you have control issues, but there's nothing you can do about it now. So stifle yourselves.

Also remember, The Two Bobs came to the conclusion that MANAGEMENT was the real problem. I just wish the Redskins had TPS reports to tie down Vinny so he couldn't engage in these monkeyshines.

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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Lets hope Lewis can help Zorn find his glasses whiles game planning.

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The offense already lacks a cohesiveness, or rather an identity. Not sure how bringing in another helps that unless this guy has a vision for our players on offense and is actually allowed to implement what he wants. Doesn't sound like that's the story here. Also the dude isn't gonna be our HC at 67 and a bunch of time out of the league.

...on the other hand if Lewis real job is to work w/ the WR corp and generally the passing game this could be a great move. Going off percentages, kicking Hixon to the curb makes us 30% better instantly, replacing him w/ someone who can teach our WR talent to play like WRs gets us another 35%, so we could possibly be 65% better in a few weeks :) OMG I'm so excited.

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[quote=The Goat;603624] Also the dude isn't gonna be our HC at 67 [B]and a bunch of time out of the league[/B].

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I've been retired for three years, and I could still go back and do the job right! But I'm a far cry from age 67! The hardest adjustment I'd have is getting up at 4:00 a.m. again!

This hire smells so much like a coaching change at years end.

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I don't know... I feel that this might be more of a FO position to help with the drafting and long term development of the offensive players. IMO, I feel Snyder is pretty comfortable with the drafting and development of the defense. However, far be it from me to delve into the psyche of Snyder or Cerrato.

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Why can't this "smell" of trying to give Zorn every chance to succeed. If you want to prep for another coach, then you probably bring (my first thought) Holmgren in. And he starts making plans. You want to give Zorn a shot, you bring in a well respected, but out of the business name.
Maybe it's no more than an experienced advisor to guide Zorn in the transition to a SB caliber HC.

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[quote=hooskins;603616]this post reminds me of this.
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[B]lmfao!!![/B]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;603637]Why can't this "smell" of trying to give Zorn every chance to succeed. If you want to prep for another coach, then you probably bring (my first thought) Holmgren in. And he starts making plans. You want to give Zorn a shot, you bring in a well respected, but out of the business name.
Maybe it's no more than an experienced advisor to guide Zorn in the transition to a SB caliber HC.[/quote]

Bingo

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;603637]Why can't this "smell" of trying to give Zorn every chance to succeed. If you want to prep for another coach, then you probably bring (my first thought) Holmgren in. And he starts making plans. You want to give Zorn a shot, you bring in a well respected, but out of the business name.
Maybe it's no more than an experienced advisor to guide Zorn in the transition to a SB caliber HC.[/quote]

Because we don't live in the Matrix.

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WTF...Most of you guys sound retarded this is soooo dumb, picture yourself working somewhere trying to work out the kinks on a new job and your boss hires an older consultant to come "help you out" sure....handwriting is on the wall fellas/gals...

If it is gonna fail let it fail on its own and blow it up at the end of the year don't put a freaking bandaid on at early season, who the hell does this Al Davis?? add to the list Dan Snyder, I know he is the biggest fan, but dam dude has an ego that only compares to no one this is stupid....

Either win now or let it blow the hell up just stop screwing with it in the middle of the freaking season, this does no one any good!!!!!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603513]He might end up being Zorn's replacement..lol. Oops did I say that. this make sme think we might bring Holmgren in also. Because FO doesn't want to blow up the team. They dont believe in rebuilding. They know us as fans heads will explode. lol[/quote]
Well you are going to have to blow up the team if you want all the pieces on offense to fit right. Like other guys have said perviously, you have a team that until draft '08 was centered around Gibbs' offense. The switch to the WCO hasn't been all that great thus far, in fact we regressed tremendously after the '08 Lions game. Sherm Lewis might be able to help some, but he can't help all that much with a banged up line and a WR corp that is weak other than Santana. I like Sherm and think he can only do good for us, but this was an act of depseration or Dan is already getting the wheels greased up for Sherm or Holmgren to take over next season. Maybe we can get both of them together again!!!!! Either way you are going to have to do some dismantling of the offensive personnel. Holmgren/Lewis will have to get the right personnel in there to successfully run the WCO or you if you land a yet to be named guy, he might not run a WCO and we are back to where we were when Spurrier quit. A major rebuilding effort might be unavoidable, as we have both a systemic and personnel problem.

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[quote=The Goat;603624]The offense already lacks a cohesiveness, or rather an identity. Not sure how bringing in another helps that unless this guy has a vision for our players on offense and is actually allowed to implement what he wants. Doesn't sound like that's the story here. Also the dude isn't gonna be our HC at 67 and a bunch of time out of the league.

...on the other hand if Lewis real job is to work w/ the WR corp and generally the passing game this could be a great move. Going off percentages, kicking Hixon to the curb makes us 30% better instantly, replacing him w/ someone who can teach our WR talent to play like WRs gets us another 35%, so we could possibly be 65% better in a few weeks :) OMG I'm so excited.[/quote]

Lewis is in there to grease the wheels for Holmgren I bet. He is going to get a first hand look at what the problem is with execution, etc and if Mike does indeed et the call at the end of the season, Sherm will have a plan in place or at least a proper diagnosis of how to fix the offense. I can't see how Sherm can really help us all that much right now since a lot of the problem is lack of execution with our WR corp and a banged up line. Play calling is a big part of the problem, but ARE, and the newbies have been non existent the past few games.

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[quote=Paintrain;603528]Biggest issue everyone noted to an in-season firing of Zorn, he's the HC, playcaller and QB coach. Well, now you can promote Blache to HC, make Lewis the play caller and Meidt the QB coach. Zorn gets fired after the Philly game. I'm just saying.

Lewis was OC for Holmgren, but also coached with Shanny in SF. Hope he's got a solid calling plan because his minutes are going to be increasing.[/quote]

So maybe J.Campbell is not the problem with the offense its Zorn.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603544]The more I read the more giddy I get about this move.

[I]Lewis began his NFL coaching career in San Francisco. As the 49ers’ running backs coach from 1983-88, Lewis tutored the likes of All-Pro Roger Craig and Tom Rathman. As a wide receivers coach from 1989-91, Lewis helped his pupils, Jerry Rice and John Taylor, mesh with Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana to form one of the most potent passing combinations in NFL history. The 49ers won three Super Bowls during Lewis’ time in San Francisco.[/I][/quote]

I like the move to but do we have a Montana, Rice and Taylor on the offense?

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[quote=skinsfan69;603617][/B]

[B]Holmgren will be the next coach here and I bet Lewis will be the OC. Count on it. I think Zorn's playcalling has done him in. [/B][/quote]

Hold your horses Skinsfan69. Who hired Zorn? All the football critics thought that was a very disfunctional move to hire Zorn to be the QB coach and then make him the HC. If Zorn is fired during or after the season this will only further prove to all the football critics that Synder stills has no clue how :)to run a NFL Team. I think we need to be fair and see how Zorn finishes out the season to judge him. I do like this move to bring in Sherm Lewis who has a ton of WC offense experience.

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[quote=44Deezel;603643]Because we don't live in the Matrix.[/quote]

A team bringing in a consultant to advise the inexperienced head coach and to help ease some of his duties? Bullocks I say! I call shenanigans.