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As usual, Portis' mouth gets him into trouble. I understand offering suggestions (which I'll cover in a minute), but requesting a player be benched is over the line IMO. And if he truly felt that way, it should've been a closed door meeting with Zorn & Sherman Smith and kept quiet.

I'm normally a "Coach Portis needs to STFU and play" guy, but he and I do agree on the issues in the run game.

From the link SS posted:
"My suggestion always is to play smashmouth; on defense let's play smashmouth, on offense let's play smashmouth," he said. "If you wonder what I'm thinking or what I want to do, that'll never change. Let's go mano-a-mano, you line up over there and we'll line up over here and let's do it....I can't answer why we [don't] do it. I wonder the same thing.".......

......"If me and Mike both go downhill, then you've got one person trying to stop me and Mike Sellers," Portis said. "Impossible, if you ask me. But running sideways, Mike bounced out, I went in and the guy made a play. That should be a walk-in touchdown."

(towards the bottom - run game section)
[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32447-slingin-sammy-33s-bucs-game-review.html#post603553[/URL]

(item #4 at the bottom)
[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32273-slingin-sammy-33s-unforgiven.html#post599734[/URL]

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;604654]he's +1.65 standard deviations above average in carries making him 86% better than the average back
he's +1.43 st dev above the mean in attemps per game making him low 80% better than the average back
he's +1.4 st dev above the mean in total yards gained again making him low 80% better than the average back
he's +.16 st dev above the mean in yard per carry (at 4.3 ypc) making him 10% better than the average back
he's +1.22 st dev above the mean in yards per game making him 80% better than the average back
he's +.02 st dev above the mean in tds scored making him 1.36% better than the average back
he's -1.27 st dev below the mean in longest run making him 80ish% worse than the average back
he's +1.61 st dev above the mean in first downs making him 85% better than the average back
he's +.39 st dev above the mean in first down percentage making him 26% better than the average back
he's +1.3 st dev above the mean in gains of 20+ yards making him 76% better than the average back
he's -1.09 st dev below the mean in 40+ gains making him 70% worse than the average back
he's +.22 st dev above the mean in fumbles lost making him 11% worse than the average back
[/quote]Who let GTripp have two accounts? :)

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[quote=freddyg12;604590]I hate to say it, but if what's reported about CP requesting MS be replaced, it's another sign than CP is a team cancer, enabled by DS who has guaranteed him big $ even as his ability is in decline.

It's not the first time he's thrown teamates or coaches under the bus. Remember him talking about the o line last year & of course the "head coach is a genius" comments to J. Thompson.
[/quote]There's the "C" word again. I've used it before too, and although up to this point in the season Portis has done and said the right things, it was just a matter of time until he got another case of diarrehea of the mouth.

This is not what's needed right now. I appreciate what Portis has done for the franchise, but he's not worth $ 10M / yr. and I believe it's time for he and the Skins to part ways after the season.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;604659]Who let GTripp have two accounts? :)[/quote]

lol!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;604660]There's the "C" word again. I've used it before too, and although up to this point in the season Portis has done and said the right things, it was just a matter of time until he got another case of diarrehea of the mouth.

This is not what's needed right now. I appreciate what Portis has done for the franchise, but he's not worth $ 10M / yr. and I believe it's time for he and the Skins to part ways after the season.[/quote]

Yeah, but make sure we use the right "c" word!

Like I said, I hate to say it, cause I want the team to keep its core players till they retire. I would love to see CP become the 3rd down back & extend his career. But w/his drama & his lack of practicing + age, a rookie can easily outperform him running the ball. It looks certain a rb will be drafted next year, when is the question. They'll probably look at cutting Betts to make room.

I really think his lack of practice is affecting CP's performance. Maybe he was too nicked to practice, but his ankle spurs can't be that bad, otherwise he wouldn't be jumping up & down at the end of the game.

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Zorn needs to switch things up this week, he needs to have Mitchell and Aldridge active and see what they can do. I would have Betts and Thomas no active for the game. His job is on the line, with the hiring of Sherman Lewis it is set up for Synder to fire Zorn and make Blache the interiem head coach and make lewis the playcaller.

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A little locker room drama, not a huge deal.

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I had heard yesterday that Portis called up to the booth during the Tampa game and requested that Sellers be taken out because he wouldn't block for him. I didn't post it because at the time I couldn't find anything to verify it. Portis may have some points but as usual he handles things completely wrong. In the game where we gave the ball to Portis on 4th and goal, it looked to me like if he had went inside instead of out we would have scored. Doc Walker said the same thing. Is Portis passing the blame? I don't know, but in typical Portis fashion he appears to be creating controversy again. I have never seen a RB fall down with little or no contact as much as he does.

Portis is one of the best blocking backs I've ever seen and gives it his all during games. But as Sherman Smith said, his first few carries in a game are like practice because he doesn't practice during the week. He may not be a cancer, but he could certainly have done things better while he was here and been more of a team player instead of such a prima donna.
I think the blocking schemes, as Sammy has pointed out, have been a problem. But if Portis can't stay on his feet, I'm not sure how much it matters.

BTW-[B] I LIKE that someone got in Portis's face.[/B]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;604607]They also had to get rid of some folks too. Strahan, Shockey, Barber . . . At one point they were considered the heart and soul of NY. Sound familiar?[/quote]

Strahan and barber retired as giants.

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[quote=SmootSmack;604645]Fletcher, Randy Thomas, Samuels, Rock, Randle El...all respected as leaders

The Raiders...now that's a team with no leaders[/quote]

They sure do a good job at keeping their leadership in stealth mode.

I think over the past few years the Raiders have been the worst organization but since week 2 the Skins have held that designation. This is an oorganization that is in complete disarray. Its sad.

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I sorta like it. These guys need to start getting after each other and holding everyone accountable. I am tired of the talking about accountability and want some damn action. If Sellers f'ed it up then CP should say so. Maybe he should say it to his face but Mike is a big boy...he can handle it. Now Zorn just needs to manage this stuff and channel it forward and not into something cancerous. You know, be a head coach.

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[quote=Defensewins;604598]Yeah but they know how to draft players. We do not.[/quote]



Come back to life so I han beat you to death again. DO YOU HEAR ME? WELL, DO YOU HEAR ME HORSE?...ANSWER ME! :bdh:

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;604659]Who let GTripp have two accounts? :)[/quote]I lol'ed

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these type of things if handled the right way can lead a team that lacks a bit of focus and intensity into getting it together. If handled the wrong way though things like this can spell disaster.

I personally like our leaders in the locker room so I think this could be a good thing.

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beeotch move by Portis. If he has a problem with Sellers, tell Sellers first then go to the team.

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I LOVE Portis , he's as tough as you can get on the field and has led this team to the playoffs twice .. this team is at quite the crossroads .. we have had plenty of " biggest game of the year games " already this season but this week in Carolina may be the biggest, if this god damn team can somehow gel, somehow get that intentisty back, somehow play up to all the competition we can get the ball rolling .. sadly deep down I feel that the Z Man is sooooo far in over his head he won't be able to rally the troops .. i'm so depressed to be a Skin's fan ... we are deserving of so much more .. such loyal fans .. why can't these a@#holes fight together instead of against each other .. ugh is it Sunday yet ?

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[quote=53Fan;604668]I had heard yesterday that Portis called up to the booth during the Tampa game and requested that Sellers be taken out because he wouldn't block for him. I didn't post it because at the time I couldn't find anything to verify it. Portis may have some points but as usual he handles things completely wrong. In the game where we gave the ball to Portis on 4th and goal, it looked to me like if he had went inside instead of out we would have scored. Doc Walker said the same thing. Is Portis passing the blame? I don't know, but in typical Portis fashion he appears to be creating controversy again. I have never seen a RB fall down with little or no contact as much as he does.

Portis is one of the best blocking backs I've ever seen and gives it his all during games. But as Sherman Smith said, his first few carries in a game are like practice because he doesn't practice during the week. He may not be a cancer, but he could certainly have done things better while he was here and been more of a team player instead of such a prima donna.
I think the blocking schemes, as Sammy has pointed out, have been a problem. But if Portis can't stay on his feet, I'm not sure how much it matters.

BTW-[B] I LIKE that someone got in Portis's face.[/B][/quote]


Good analysis......The man is just a little too confrontational.

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[quote=Mattyk72;604666]A little locker room drama, not a huge deal.[/quote]

Perhaps. If it was the only drama CP's created, I might agree more. Since it isn't, it's quite possible this ends up being another instance in which CP has undermined the coaching staff. Hopefully it's not & they firmly told him not to make lineup suggestions during a game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;604596]That's what they used to say about the Giants with all the bickering they would have under Coughlin...look at them now[/quote]

yeah the difference is they had strahan, tuck, osi, burress and an o-line. i don't see any of that on this team.

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cp should've just went to his face and told him to block someone. going to the coach makes him look like a bitch. but really who cares?

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I don't really see alot into this. It happens on every team at some point during the season.

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Really? Name all 32 times this happened last season....

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Good!
Sellers is a terrible lead blocker. He's too inconsistent and blocks the wrong person too often. We need to dump him and leave portis as the single back...

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here's an update from J. Reid. This echoes what I've said in my earlier posts, although I'll certainly acknowledge that Reid is likely basing his opinion on what he can get from only a few unamed sources.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/portis-isnt-winning-himself-an.html]Redskins Insider - Portis Isn't Winning Any Fans Among Teammates[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;604668]I had heard yesterday that Portis called up to the booth during the Tampa game and requested that Sellers be taken out because he wouldn't block for him. I didn't post it because at the time I couldn't find anything to verify it. Portis may have some points but as usual he handles things completely wrong. In the game where we gave the ball to Portis on 4th and goal, it looked to me like if he had went inside instead of out we would have scored. Doc Walker said the same thing. Is Portis passing the blame? I don't know, but in typical Portis fashion he appears to be creating controversy again. I have never seen a RB fall down with little or no contact as much as he does.

Portis is one of the best blocking backs I've ever seen and gives it his all during games. But as Sherman Smith said, his first few carries in a game are like practice because he doesn't practice during the week. He may not be a cancer, but he could certainly have done things better while he was here and been more of a team player instead of such a prima donna.
I think the blocking schemes, as Sammy has pointed out, have been a problem. But if Portis can't stay on his feet, I'm not sure how much it matters.

BTW-[B] I LIKE that someone got in Portis's face.[/B][/quote]
I may be wrong, but wasn't it about this time last year Portis kinda called out the OLine. And after that everyone kinda got on the same page? It seems like this is one of our silly little dysfunctions that every family has...

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You know what's worst that Portis trying to bench Sellers? Players on the team spilling beans to Jason Reid, about how they don't like Portis. Way to REALLY F-up the team's image.

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Two wrongs dont make it right.

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[quote=Angry;604680]Come back to life so I han beat you to death again. DO YOU HEAR ME? WELL, DO YOU HEAR ME HORSE?...ANSWER ME! :bdh:[/quote]

Looks like the horse flinched. LOL.

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[quote=hooskins;604719]You know what's worst that Portis trying to bench Sellers? Players on the team spilling beans to Jason Reid, about how they don't like Portis. Way to REALLY F-up the team's image.[/quote]

REid didn't say he talked to players did he? His last post said "league sources" which might be code for players, since these guys don't want to be outed, or it could be a locker room attendant.

I know what you're saying, but I don't know how I feel about players talking in such cases. You can say that it's "splling beans" airing dirty laundry, etc., but if you're worried about this "team's image" at present I'm wondering if you aren't the Danny himself! It's a bit late to worry about this team's image. It's screwed until further notice!

There's certainly times when no one should talk, but sometimes guys speaking to the press might be a last resort for them to change things. If you really feel someone is screwing up an organization, yet the powers that be do nothing about it, the press is always there to listen. I'm certainly glad as a fan to find out some but not all of this stuff.

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[quote=Ruhskins;604600]Oh boy here we go :doh:[/quote]

[quote=Angry;604680]Come back to life so I han beat you to death again. DO YOU HEAR ME? WELL, DO YOU HEAR ME HORSE?...ANSWER ME! :bdh:[/quote]

Hey Cerrato and Snyder, I missed your memo. Is the front office off limits? I am not on this sight everyday. I can understand your fragile egos can not take criticism, humor is a great coping mechanism, I will back off the FO so you guys do not get upset.

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All aboard the Titanic

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so when guys don't do their job, no one is allowed to bitch? i don't know where you work, but at my place of employment, when someone isn't pulling their weight, there is all kinds of bitching going on. and i know there are lots of Sellers fans here, but big time over rated

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[quote=redskins5044;604665]Zorn needs to switch things up this week, he needs to have Mitchell and Aldridge active and see what they can do. I would have Betts and [B]Thomas[/B] no active for the game. His job is on the line, with the hiring of Sherman Lewis it is set up for Synder to fire Zorn and make Blache the interiem head coach and make lewis the playcaller.[/quote]


Instead I would deactivate Rock and have Thomas return kicks. That way Thomas can still work as the 5th WR. We need all the options we can take there.

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[quote=dmek25;604736]so when guys don't do their job, no one is allowed to bitch? i don't know where you work, but at my place of employment, when someone isn't pulling their weight, there is all kinds of bitching going on. and i know there are lots of Sellers fans here, but big time over rated[/quote]

You knwo what happens when players get new contracts....

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[quote=SmootSmack;604604]I wouldn't say Portis is a team cancer at all...I would say though that he reportedly doesn't really speak to any of his teammates but Moss. He basically just keeps to himself. He's not a team leader but I don't know about team cancer.[/quote]

Well just this week Doc Walker was commenting on how last week CP was on the side lines trying to get players fired up. When they made good playes he was giving them high five and when JC through an int. he was encouraging him not to get down on himself. This is what Doc observed and not second hand news. These thing happen in a locker room but I just have a hard time with CP going to the coaches and asking them to pull a player. I have only herd CP say positive stuff about Sellers. To me it seems that Sellers play has dropped of some sense he signed that new deal.

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[quote=firstdown;604740]Well just this week Doc Walker was commenting on how last week CP was on the side lines trying to get players fired up. When they made good playes he was giving them high five and when JC through an int. he was encouraging him not to get down on himself. This is what Doc observed and not second hand news. These thing happen in a locker room but I just have a hard time with CP going to the coaches and asking them to pull a player. I have only herd CP say positive stuff about Sellers. To me it seems that Sellers play has dropped of some sense he signed that new deal.[/quote]

Did Sellers have a concussion earlier this season? I might be wrong?
If he did, concussions will change the way you hit or block.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;604607]They also had to get rid of some folks too. Strahan, Shockey, Barber . . . At one point they were considered the heart and soul of NY. Sound familiar?[/quote]

They won there Superbowl with Strahan and Shockey on the team though. And Tiki retired on his own. So i dont know what your getting at.

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[quote=Defensewins;604742]Did Sellers have a concussion earlier this season? I might be wrong?
If he did, concussions will change the way you hit or block.[/quote]

That explains why Landry can't make a tackle

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[quote=dmek25;604736]so when guys don't do their job, no one is allowed to bitch? i don't know where you work, but at my place of employment, when someone isn't pulling their weight, there is all kinds of bitching going on. and i know there are lots of Sellers fans here, but big time over rated[/quote]

in most places of work, people are not only unhappy when someone doesn't do their job, but they're really incensed when that same person that avoids their duties (read CP) is the one calling others out to mgmt.

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I'm pleasantly surprised that Mike Florio has toned down on the Redskins, his old self would have had 5 different versions of this story.