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[quote=skinsfaninok;606601]Well we may have to trade a 1st rounder in 2011, but I'm telling u its worth it! Sam is amazing and is a "Pro" style QB already, he was last year's #1 overall pick.[/quote]

Okay I see it now you live in Oklahoma. Didnt Malcom Kelly go there as well. Hmmm is doing just fine so far. But seriously is Bradford a proptype QB or a spread type QB? Tebow is in the spread 98% of the time.

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[quote=WaldSkins;606608]Whats Jeff Garcia doing?[/quote]

If he's smart he won't sign with the Skins, we are the NFC Raiders.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606595]Thank you! Bradford is legit![/quote]

Yes he is. If he passes a physical and has no problems with his shoulder in the future. I woudl definitely take him. Tebow to many question marks!!! Bradford is the more prototype and NFL ready QB. Its a uncapped season. I would pick up him and Vick and keep JC and let them all battle it out..LMAO

Right. If only that could happen!! Really depends on our coaching situation and what type of offense we will be running. Vick ran a version of the WCO also and is gettting tuned up in Phily learning from McNabb and Reid.

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Jeff Garcia please we have the Great Todd Collins on the bench.

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[quote=skins89moss;606610]Okay I see it now you live in Oklahoma. [B]Didnt Malcom Kelly go there as well.[/B] Hmmm is doing just fine so far. But seriously is Bradford a proptype QB or a spread type QB? Tebow is in the spread 98% of the time.[/quote]

So did Adrian Peterson:)
Seriously though Bradford and the Sooners run a pro style offense.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;606578]Doesnt matter behind this offensive line that is completely ignore din the offseason. No QB will be successful here right now. We can draft McCoy, Bradford, whoever, but if there is no MAJOR, not one signing, BUT MAJOR overhaul of the OLine, it really matters little.[/quote]

Seriously. Aaron Rodgers has been sacked twice as much as Campbell (20-8 going into today). Oh wait, they have scored 21, 24, 36 and 23 in their 4 games. How do they do it?

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;606596]and the problem with Bradford? Who is going to block for him? [B]Success starts upfront. Build lines first.[/B] Snyder has no clue how to do that. Why? I guess that is too boring.[/quote]

I can't understand how anyone who owns or runs or has even been around a football team for any length of time cannot understand this. It's F**KING SIMPLE!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606584]Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez... Bradford will be a STAR in the NFL, Great arm, accurate as hell, and can move. And yes it's harder to find a good qb than a good line so I would love him here.[/quote]

Bradford thought his shoulder was hurt earlier this year get behind this line he might not have a career long.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;606604]I say let a REAL GM make that decision. a REAL ONE[/quote]Great point. Agreed. Right now Snyder and Vinny need to be working to find a true GM who will have complete control. Shanahan ain't it, Cowher ain't, Holmgren probably isn't either. I'm not sure who is out there, but the GM must be brought on first, ASAP. No one needs to be fired in-season to bring in a true GM. Just move Vinny into some other FO role.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606584]Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez... Bradford will be a STAR in the NFL, Great arm, accurate as hell, and can move. And yes it's harder to find a good qb than a good line so I would love him here.[/quote]

Collins actually gets rid of the ball asap, even on designed quick slants JC hesitates. It just kills the play or even when ball is caught the defender has time to catch up. Collins was never beaten in camp, they just wanted JC to play.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606605]Everyone said Roddy White and Jenkins in ATL were bust also, now that they have a QB, no one says that anymore[/quote]

Precisely. And look at the contract Deion Branch got when he went to Seattle after playing with Brady AND what did Javon Walker and Freeman do after they didn't have Favre throwing to them. And how are Favre's n0-name WRs doing now? Outside of the elite WRs - Fitz, Moss, CJ, AJ, etc. Good QBs = Good WRs.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPkDsOlGzU]YouTube - Sam Bradford 2008 Highlights[/url]

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[quote=skins89moss;606545]I have been a support of JC since he has been here but today I come to realize that JC is not suited for the WC offense. [/quote]I think some weekend warrior mentioned something about JC's struggles last week ;)

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[quote=44Deezel;606628]Precisely. And look at the contract Deion Branch got when he went to Seattle after playing with Brady AND what did Javon Walker and Freeman do after they didn't have Favre throwing to them. And how are Favre's n0-name WRs doing now? Outside of the elite WRs - Fitz, Moss, CJ, AJ, etc. Good QBs = Good WRs.[/quote]

I would say good offensive systems have a lot to do with it also. You just named the top WRs in the league though.....lol

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606632]I think some weekend warrior mentioned something about JC's struggles last week ;)[/quote]

Why don't you apply Sammy? At least for DC? You make more sense than half the crap I hear from those wahoos from up north.

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[quote=44Deezel;606628]Precisely. And look at the contract Deion Branch got when he went to Seattle after playing with Brady AND what did Javon Walker and Freeman do after they didn't have Favre throwing to them. And how are Favre's n0-name WRs doing now? Outside of the elite WRs - Fitz, Moss, CJ, AJ, etc. Good QBs = Good WRs.[/quote]

It would be great to have a so called great QB. When was the last time we had one here?

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[quote=skins89moss;606639]It would be great to have a so called great QB. When was the last time we had one here?[/quote]

A loooooooooooooooooooong time!!!!!

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[quote=53Fan;606623]I can't understand how anyone who owns or runs or has even been around a football team for any length of time cannot understand this. It's F**KING SIMPLE![/quote]

I've been saying it for so long. Soooo friggin damn long.

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i want neither of them.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606632]I think some weekend warrior mentioned something about JC's struggles last week ;)[/quote]

Hey bro I was just busting your balls last time. I think we all love our Redskins and it is so damn hard when other teams get their sh*t together and we still medium.:)

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[quote=44Deezel;606628]Precisely. And look at the contract Deion Branch got when he went to Seattle after playing with Brady AND what did Javon Walker and Freeman do after they didn't have Favre throwing to them. And how are Favre's n0-name WRs doing now? Outside of the elite WRs - Fitz, Moss, CJ, AJ, etc. Good QBs = Good WRs.[/quote]

Berrian, Harvin i think he has some household name receivers but you left out the part where they have one of the best o-lines in the league and the best RB. You mentioned Aaron Rodgers makes plays you forgot again that he also has a top three at least WR tandem in the league, with Jennings & Driver that comeback for the ball when things breakdown plus a good RB in Grant. We are NOT a complete team on offense Cooley has to block, Moss gets doubled all game, o-line sucks, QB is decent but not great.

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I know QB is the most important positon on the team so who or what are the Redskins going to do after the season is over about it. We cant kick JC to the curb like most of you want or do we put him into a offense that suits his skills? Or do we let him go and bring in a journey man stop gap QB. We have many holes on the O-Line so some of you want the FO to draft Bradford even if we need to give up picks to get him.

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I'd rather have Chase Daniels. Pull him from the Saints practice squad.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606650]Berrian, Harvin i think he has some household name receivers but you left out the part where they have one of the best o-lines in the league and the best RB. You mentioned Aaron Rodgers makes plays you forgot again that he also has a top three at least WR tandem in the league, with Jennings & Driver that comeback for the ball when things breakdown plus a good RB in Grant. We are NOT a complete team on offense Cooley has to block, Moss gets doubled all game, o-line sucks, QB is decent but not great.[/quote]

Okay Redskins Warrior do you think we should keep JC and put him in another system that fits his skills or just cut our ties? We know its not all on him but he doesnt appear to play with much confidence right now. Maybe its because he has no faith in his young WR and awful O-Line.

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[quote=SBXVII;606653]I'd rather have Chase Daniels. Pull him from the Saints practice squad.[/quote]

Last week he was promoted to the 53 man roster, was he waived and re-added to the Saints PS?

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[quote=SBXVII;606653]I'd rather have Chase Daniels. Pull him from the Saints practice squad.[/quote]

Well he did play in the Big 12. I'm not quite sure he would be a upgrade over JC or TC. I just put Vince Young out there because he to had success early in his career and a change os scenery might do him well. Plus he would be for cheap and he could run the wildkat offense to.

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[quote=skins89moss;606656]Okay Redskins Warrior do you think we should keep JC and put him in another system that fits his skills or just cut our ties? We know its not all on him but he doesnt appear to play with much confidence right now. Maybe its because he has no faith in his young WR and awful O-Line.[/quote]

If anything we should keep him here next year whether he proves himself or not keep him as the backup if you decide to draft one. Secondly, how can you judge a man's development under the circumstances he is playing in. Question right now if you placed Tom Brady here tomorrow and he couldn't get anything done does that mean he sucks? No it's means his habitat isn't workable. I would hate to see us let him go for him to be successful for someone else. Look at folks like Trotter, Pierce and others we let go to other teams that were successful elsewhere. JC has more talent than he is getting credit for.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606668]If anything we should keep him here next year whether he proves himself or not keep him as the backup if you decide to draft one. Secondly, how can you judge a man's development under the circumstances he is playing in. Question right now if you placed Tom Brady here tomorrow and he couldn't get anything done does that mean he sucks? No it's means his habitat isn't workable. I would hate to see us let him go for him to be successful for someone else. Look at folks like Trotter, Pierce and others we let go to other teams that were successful elsewhere. JC has more talent than he is getting credit for.[/quote]

Even Sherman Lewis believes JC has talent. But are we using him the right way to use his talents? Did you see that O-Line? Wow its going to be a very long year and we still got Eagles Cowboys and G-Men again. Well we will be talked about alot on draft day.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;606657]Last week he was promoted to the 53 man roster, was he waived and re-added to the Saints PS?[/quote]


If he was promoted I had no idea.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606650]Berrian, Harvin i think he has some household name receivers but you left out the part where they have one of the best o-lines in the league and the best RB. You mentioned Aaron Rodgers makes plays you forgot again that he also has a top three at least WR tandem in the league, with Jennings & Driver that comeback for the ball when things breakdown plus a good RB in Grant. We are NOT a complete team on offense Cooley has to block, Moss gets doubled all game, o-line sucks, QB is decent but not great.[/quote]

What households? Here's my ultimate argument against Campbell = He will never start for another team. Case closed. If he does, and that team is successful than I am a bigger idiot than I am under normal circumstances. If we cut him loose and none of the other 31 teams that have access to all of his video, are keenly aware of all the adversity he has had to face and can talk to anyone and everyone who knows anything about him, sign him to be their starter, than I will gladly admit I was wrong about J to the C.

I don't believe there is a single team that says to themselves, "We are a Jason Campbell away from winning the Super Bowl" or "Jason Campbell is a guy we can build a winning team around". Instead, I think they will say, "Hey, that Jason Campbell fella is available. He has started more games than most QBs in this league, and he has learned how not to hurt his team. We should sign him as a security blanket for the 4th round QB we just drafted." Or if the Ravens creep on him, "Jason Campbell would make a great backup for our second stringer, Troy Smith."

That was a low blow, I know. But I'm drunk and tired. G'night!

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[quote=SBXVII;606672]If he was promoted I had no idea.[/quote]

yep, he's on the 53 man roster.

[url=http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Roster.aspx]New Orleans Saints - Roster[/url]

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[quote=44Deezel;606673]What households? Here's my ultimate argument against Campbell = He will never start for another team. Case closed. If he does, and that team is successful than I am a bigger idiot than I am under normal circumstances. If we cut him loose and none of the other 31 teams that have access to all of his video, are keenly aware of all the adversity he has had to face and can talk to anyone and everyone who knows anything about him, sign him to be their starter, than I will gladly admit I was wrong about J to the C.

I don't believe there is a single team that says to themselves, "We are a Jason Campbell away from winning the Super Bowl" or "Jason Campbell is a guy we can build a winning team around". Instead, I think they will say, "Hey, that Jason Campbell fella is available. He has started more games than most QBs in this league, and he has learned how not to hurt his team. We should sign him as a security blanket for the 4th round QB we just drafted." Or if the Ravens creep on him, "Jason Campbell would make a great backup for our second stringer, Troy Smith."

That was a low blow, I know. But I'm drunk and tired. G'night![/quote]

Yes please go to sleep. lol

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[quote=skins89moss;606671]Even Sherman Lewis believes JC has talent. But are we using him the right way to use his talents? Did you see that O-Line? Wow its going to be a very long year and we still got Eagles Cowboys and G-Men again. Well we will be talked about alot on draft day.[/quote]

He does? I saw him say Campbell was tall and had a big arm. It seemed to me he was trying not to say anything bad about him. He definitely wasn't gushing over him from what I saw.

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[quote=44Deezel;606678]He does? I saw him say Campbell was tall and had a big arm. It seemed to me he was trying not to say anything bad about him. He definitely wasn't gushing over him from what I saw.[/quote]

Lol yea and j Russell is tall and has a big arm, so what's the point? Jc is a backup qb at best and I've said that all offseason when I wanted cutler or sanchez!

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[quote=44Deezel;606673]What households? Here's my ultimate argument against Campbell = He will never start for another team. Case closed. If he does, and that team is successful than I am a bigger idiot than I am under normal circumstances. If we cut him loose and none of the other 31 teams that have access to all of his video, are keenly aware of all the adversity he has had to face and can talk to anyone and everyone who knows anything about him, sign him to be their starter, than I will gladly admit I was wrong about J to the C.

I don't believe there is a single team that says to themselves, "We are a Jason Campbell away from winning the Super Bowl" or "Jason Campbell is a guy we can build a winning team around". Instead, I think they will say, "Hey, that Jason Campbell fella is available. He has started more games than most QBs in this league, and he has learned how not to hurt his team. We should sign him as a security blanket for the 4th round QB we just drafted." Or if the Ravens creep on him, "Jason Campbell would make a great backup for our second stringer, Troy Smith."

That was a low blow, I know. But I'm drunk and tired. G'night![/quote]

Maybe not your household but tell me Harvin isn't a Desean Jackson clone starter & SPT returner and 2009 probowl selection watch & see. Berrian one of the best deep threats in the league.

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I would rather have Kevin Kolb or David Carr. They need to trade for one of them immediately IMO.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606680]Lol yea and j Russell is tall and has a big arm, so what's the point? Jc is a backup qb at best and I've said that all offseason when I wanted cutler or sanchez![/quote]

be a jets or bear fan and your dreams can come true plus Russell's completion percentage was like 38% i believe JC is in the mid 60's

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606685]be a jets or bear fan and your dreams can come true plus Russell's completion percentage was like 38% i believe JC is in the mid 60's[/quote]

The russell comparison was a joke dude.. lol and I would KILL myself if I was a Jets or Bears fan, hell we have 3 super bowl title's thats more than both of them combined, all I'm saying is JC can't get it done and you know it too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;606687]The russell comparison was a joke dude.. lol and I would KILL myself if I was a Jets or Bears fan, hell we have 3 super bowl title's thats more than both of them combined, all I'm saying is JC can't get it done and you know it too.[/quote]

can you honestly said that those QB's could have won the game today with the same personnel?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;606691]can you honestly said that those QB's could have won the game today with the same personnel?[/quote]

I honestly don't know bro, Listen I like JC but he has a BAD record as a Starter, every year we make excuses for JC, and every year he struggles, as a die hard skins fan you have to agree that it's time for a change of QB and head coach