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[quote=SmootSmack;607703]Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on[/quote]Agree, but don't wait. No way we make the playoffs.

OL - Heyer RT, Rinehart RG, Monty C, Dock LG, Samuels LT (if he's injured Batiste, or MW, don't move Heyer)
QB - Give JC a couple more games, but don't protect him with the playcalls like this game. If he doesn't improve over the next two weeks. Play Woodson see what you have/don't have there. If a reasonable trade can be made for Quinn (something that doesn't include a #1 or #2 draft pick) pull the trigger and get Quinn in.
RB - more Mason in the rotation.
WR - In any 3WR set, DT at Z, Kelly at X, Moss at slot. 2WR sets go Moss at Z and rotate DT / Kelly depending on the playcall or situation. Deep go with DT, Possesion go Kelly.
TE - more 2TE sets that put Cooley and Davis in the slot to spread the D out more and create mismatches with LBs/DBs.

RDE - start Orakpo.
DT - keep current rotation
LDE - start Jarmon, cut Wynn, bring Jackson up.
LB - More Wilson, Blades, A. Carter if necessary until we can address LB in the off-season
CB - activate Barnes. I would go so far as to rotate Barnes in with Rogers/Hall. If Rogers is traded or allowed to leave, we need someone to step up in house. Tryon can be a good Nickel CB IMO, probably will have issues as a # 1 or #2 CB.
S - we're pretty set here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607703]Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on[/quote]

Often players believe against belief that they can turn things around, so cutting losses prematurely could send the wrong message. I'd wait until we've lost 7 games (which sadly may not be far off). At that point, I'd consider your plan to be spot on. Give the young bucks experience and an opportunity to prove themselves.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607703]Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on[/quote]

Actually, I think you are in the majority. I would endorse ALL those moves. Further, I would have Marko Mitchell active and set the receivers as M.Kelly; D. Thomas/M. Mitchell alternate as No. 2/4; Moss as number 3; Randle-el as the 5th.

Also, DT is the return man - maybe he can end up being a spectacular returner a la' Desmond Howard.

Give Zorn a shot with the youngsters and see what happens. At the end of the year, show him the door if the ineptitude continues.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;607731]Nevermind.

My thoughts exactly, very well put. A 4-12 season would let Danny know he needs to step back and it would get the new ownership a good pick to start with.[/quote]Snyder has convenient scapegoats in Zorn and Campbell. I don't see him ever accepting fault for the poor product he puts on the field. The only way that I see him waking up is if we the fans stop buying into this bullshit. Stop buying jerseys and jackets, stop going to the games, stop paying for parking and concessions. I will probably always watch the games on TV, because that's what I do, but I'll be damned if I give Snyder another dime through tickets, concessions, or gear until he brings in a real football guy to run the show.

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There are going to be some BAD losses ahead. I predict at least one team will hang 40 on us (probably New Orleans), and we will fail to score a TD in at least 2 games, with at least one being a complete shut-out. Oakland and KC are the only winnable games left on the schedule. We'll probably be down to ARE as our QB by the end of the year. Campbell's going to get sacked 4-8 times a game from here on in.

4 or 5 wins tops this year.

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[quote=44Deezel;607779]There are going to be some BAD losses ahead. I predict at least one team will hang 40 on us (probably New Orleans),[B] and we will fail to score a TD in at least 2 games,[/B] with at least one being a complete shut-out. Oakland and KC are the only winnable games left on the schedule. We'll probably be down to ARE as our QB by the end of the year. Campbell's going to get sacked 4-8 times a game from here on in.

4 or 5 wins tops this year.[/quote]Do you mean like when we didn't score any TDs against the Mighty Rams?

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[quote=Mattyk72;607600]I can't help but look ahead on the schedule and wonder how much worse it's gonna get. This was supposed to be the "easy" stretch of the schedule and we're looking at limping in to the bye at best 3-4, possibly 2-5.

Check out what's ahead after the bye: :doh:

@ Atlanta
Denver
@ Dallas
@ Philly
New Orleans
@ Oakland
NYG
Dallas
@ San Diego

Outside of Oakland, it's looking like a rough 2nd half of the year. Top 5 pick anyone? Buckle up folks, things are gonna get real bumpy.[/quote]No doubt that's a tough schedule, but there's a lot of beatable teams there if the defense pitches it's best game. Atlanta is beatable, Denver is beatable, Dallas is very beatable, Oakland will beat themselves, and San Diego is beatable.

The two really, really tough teams on the remaining schedule, NYG and NO, we don't play them until the start of December. We'll probably be under a new coach by then, and we'll probably be a very different (if not improved team).

The key for the season is to get to the bye in good shape. Perhaps that means a simple 3-4 record, but playing Philly tough. If you lose the next two games to fall to 2-5, it hardly matters who we have after the bye, that's a 6-10 or 5-11 season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;607819]No doubt that's a tough schedule, but there's a lot of beatable teams there if the defense pitches it's best game. Atlanta is beatable, Denver is beatable, Dallas is very beatable, Oakland will beat themselves, and San Diego is beatable.

The two really, really tough teams on the remaining schedule, NYG and NO, we don't play them until the start of December. We'll probably be under a new coach by then, and we'll probably be a very different (if not improved team).

The key for the season is to get to the bye in good shape. Perhaps that means a simple 3-4 record, but playing Philly tough. If you lose the next two games to fall to 2-5, it hardly matters who we have after the bye, that's a 6-10 or 5-11 season.[/quote]

Right now, I think NO is more beatable than Denver. The last two opponents have held Brees to NOTHING.

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[quote=GTripp0012;607819]No doubt that's a tough schedule, but there's a lot of beatable teams there if the defense pitches it's best game. [B]Atlanta is beatable, Denver is beatable, Dallas is very beatable, Oakland will beat themselves, and San Diego is beatable.[/B]

The two really, really tough teams on the remaining schedule, NYG and NO, we don't play them until the start of December. We'll probably be under a new coach by then, and we'll probably be a very different (if not improved team).

The key for the season is to get to the bye in good shape. Perhaps that means a simple 3-4 record, but playing Philly tough. If you lose the next two games to fall to 2-5, it hardly matters who we have after the bye, that's a 6-10 or 5-11 season.[/quote]

If by beatable you mean that we can beat these teams fists with our face, then..yeah, I guess they're beatable.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;607843]If by beatable you mean that we can beat these teams fists with our face, then..yeah, I guess they're beatable.[/quote]I guess I never thought of it like that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;607609]I just feel with our current OL situation, we're going to be so overmatched it's going to be a joke.[/quote]

Traditionally we have always played well against the better teams. Going foreward, we can only hope tradition continues to hold true. I agree though our O-line situation does not enhance any chances we may have.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;607843]If by beatable you mean that we can beat these teams fists with our face, then..yeah, I guess they're beatable.[/quote]

Ah, the old Randall "Tex" Cobb strategy!

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GTripp, how can you call Denver beatable? They are undefeated and just beat the New England Freaking Patriots. They are playing excellent offense and defense. We, on the other hand, barely eeked by the pitiful lions and Rams and lost to the just as pitiful Panthers and Bucaneers. I know some say this team has a history of playing to the level of its competition, but that hasnt really been the case under Zorn. after our strong start last year, the only good team we beat was Philidelphia and we barely beat them.

The Redskins are a very very bad football team right now. I'd say we're one of the worst teams in the NFL and we are now without our two best starting offensive linemen. If we werent the worst offense in the NFL before last week, we certainly are now. Going back to the title of this thread, its only going to get worst. I think we lose to KC this week and the only team we beat for the rest of the year is Oakland... maybe. We are a 2-14 to 5-11 team right now. Unfortunately for us, there are alot of other really bad teams in the NFL this year, so we may not get a top 5 pick in next years draft to reward our "efforts."

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;607887]GTripp, how can you call Denver beatable? They are undefeated and just beat the New England Freaking Patriots. They are playing excellent offense and defense. We, on the other hand, barely eeked by the pitiful lions and Rams and lost to the just as pitiful Panthers and Bucaneers. I know some say this team has a history of playing to the level of its competition, but that hasnt really been the case under Zorn. after our strong start last year, the only good team we beat was Philidelphia and we barely beat them.

The Redskins are a very very bad football team right now. I'd say we're one of the worst teams in the NFL and we are now without our two best starting offensive linemen. If we werent the worst offense in the NFL before last week, we certainly are now. Going back to the title of this thread, its only going to get worst. I think we lose to KC this week and the only team we beat for the rest of the year is Oakland... maybe. We are a 2-14 to 5-11 team right now. Unfortunately for us, there are alot of other really bad teams in the NFL this year, so we may not get a top 5 pick in next years draft to reward our "efforts."[/quote]

Well at least a good draft pick will come our way. Who knows, we could trade it for more picks.

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I'll go 6-10...maybe 7-9. Maybe

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[quote=Mattyk72;607609]I just feel with our current OL situation, we're going to be so overmatched it's going to be a joke.[/quote]

Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I feel that this is by far going to be the worst offensive line in football without Chris Samuels. Those of you who want to see Todd Collins are probaboly going to get their wish, because this is going to be like Ramsey in 2003 for Campbell... he's gonna get freaking killed back there if Samuels is out for any significant amount of time...

Outside of Kansas City and Oakland.. there is not a single game I expect the Redskins to win.

We'll find a way to squeak one out against a team we shouldnt beat (I'm actually thinking Dallas at home because I think they're gonna wind up pretty bad too).. maybe another one.. I'm thinking 5-11 or 6-10. If Samuels is back, then I might revise that to 7-9... but I have a bad feeling he might be out for a long time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607703]Well I know I'm in the minority here, but I think we have some talented players but they need to play. If we start to really falter, like we're 2-6, then why not start Montgomery at C and Rinehart at RG the rest of the way? Neither Rabach nor Thomas (most likely) will be here next year. Same with Smoot, make him inactive and make Barnes your dime back. Start Jarmon and Orakpo on the line. Start Chris Wilson, Start DT and Kelly, and make Moss your slot receiver...and so on[/quote]

I totally agree. We do have some talented young players, all they need is an opportunity. Watching last night's game seeing so many young players making pays had me asking myself why can't the Redskins do that?

Braylon Edwards has only been with the Jets five days, scored two touchdowns on the kind of plays we should be running to our receivers Mitchell & Kelly. It's difficult for me to understand why our young players do not get more of a chance to show what they can do. We also need for the QB to be unafraid to give his receivers a chance to make a play.

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Joe Gibbs proved he could win with scrubs, with Bugel's coaching some of these young guys just might surprise. I'm not giving up, NEVER!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;607885]Ah, the old Randall "Tex" Cobb strategy![/quote]

I use to occasionaly use that strategy when I was very, very drunk. I don't recommend it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;607887]GTripp, how can you call Denver beatable? They are undefeated and just beat the New England Freaking Patriots. They are playing excellent offense and defense. We, on the other hand, [SIZE=4]barely eeked by the pitiful lions[/SIZE] and Rams and lost to the just as pitiful Panthers and Bucaneers. I know some say this team has a history of playing to the level of its competition, but that hasnt really been the case under Zorn. after our strong start last year, the only good team we beat was Philidelphia and we barely beat them.

The Redskins are a very very bad football team right now. I'd say we're one of the worst teams in the NFL and we are now without our two best starting offensive linemen. If we werent the worst offense in the NFL before last week, we certainly are now. Going back to the title of this thread, its only going to get worst. I think we lose to KC this week and the only team we beat for the rest of the year is Oakland... maybe. We are a 2-14 to 5-11 team right now. Unfortunately for us, there are alot of other really bad teams in the NFL this year, so we may not get a top 5 pick in next years draft to reward our "efforts."[/quote]

Does "eeked by" mean we lost now days.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607891]I'll go 6-10...maybe 7-9. Maybe[/quote]You're a real Negative Nelly, a Debbie Downer, a Prickly Pete. Gosh, I just know we're gonna win out.

[IMG]http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/11/zorn.jpg[/IMG]

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i think the redskins will play better against better competition but the end results will be the same. the skins almost always play to the level of their apponent.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;607916]You're a real Negative Nelly, a Debbie Downer, a Prickly Pete. Gosh, I just know we're gonna win out.[/quote]

OMG! That article in your sig describes my feelings in the most exact way possible.

"The only thing [Dan Snyder] can do to help [his] team at this point is to walk in front of an oncoming cement mixer. Way to ruin everything, shithead. DIE." ... and that's about the only way the Skins will get better. The other ways would be to substitute the cement mixer for some other piece of heavy machinery.

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Before the season started I was predicting we'd go 12-4, and was depending on our defense to win a few games for us. Now it looks like 4-12, but I don't know where the other w is coming from. Maybe Oakland.

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its going to get worse? dang it i just gave my "its always darkest right before sunrise" speech the other day.

things are bleek in skinsville. so bleek that the chicken littles are to sad to harp and the optimists are to sad to hope.

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I say 5-11, we will beat KC, Oak and Dallas once..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;607956]I say 5-11, we will beat KC, Oak and Dallas once..[/quote]

We always lose to OAK.

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I agree with most of you but these changes you won't see. Basically you and I are writing off the season with the reality check that was written, but anyone as a HC in Zorn's position has to believe in his system and keep plugging along in hopes that they catch a break and win a few games. If Zorn is going to write off the season he might as well sign his own pink slip, saying my system does not work so let me play all the young guys so they will have in game experience for the future that I won't be a part of. Not going to happen.

Now if they bring in a new HC he may want to play the young guys more to see what is servicable and what is not. This way he knows what he has going into the next draft.

I just have a hard time believing DS is the boy in the plastic bubble. He does not read the papers? He does not listen to the radio? He owns a sports franchise and he doesn't watch ESPN? I would hate to think he has so secluded himself from society that he has no clue that the fans are pissed, that everyone to include fans, media, and any prospect HC's don't like Vinny cause he's an not that great at what he's supposed to be doing. DS has to know by now that in order to get the HC talent he wants Vinny must go and he needs to take a back seat approach.

I picture the whole Elvis circle of friends hovering around him keeping him from seeing, reading, or hearing anything negative about him or his football team.

He will have a rude awakening at the future home games if he is oblivious. BOOOO BOOOO

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How is it that Jeremy Bridges wasn't good enough to make a team with a cruddy O-line, but he can make the active roster of a team that was in Super Bowl last year? And didn't he start 14 games last year for the Panthers... one of the most dominant run teams of a year ago??? I wonder if we could use him right about now.

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I predict that we turn it around, go 8-3 from now, finish 10-6, and make it to the NFC championship game.

There. Someone had to say it.

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bumpy implies that we'll have upward movement

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[quote=redsk1;607631]If we do get a top 5 pick and there's a QB there that is a potential franchise QB, i think you've got to take him.

If I'm the skins, i'm trading away players for picks, picks, and more picks. The more picks the more olineman we can draft. Maybe Vinny can hit on one or two.[/quote]
We don't really have many desirable players though.. the only ones that might get some interest are on the back end of their contracts, which means that they're getting paid about 3x current worth.

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[quote=Lotus;607605]The optimist in me feels the need to point out that we often rise to the occasion against division rivals. See last year: we lost to the Rams, Bengals, and Niners, but swept the Iggles and split with the Boys.

I'm not saying that everything is ok. I'm just saying that it might not be as bad as it seems. We could be 4-3 at the bye.[/quote]

We will not sweep the Eagles this year. Shoot they look just as strong or stronger with Kolb in there. Maclin is going to be hot with Donovan there. Split with the Boys is quite possible, if not probable. Gmen are just too strong. WE can beat the AFC West for sure, but ATL and NO, forget about it. Too many weapons with those two teams and our running game is suffering. Shoot, NFL.com fantasy writers say to trade Portis ASAP( I have him). Realistically, the best we can hope for is 7-9. You can't expect to beat those NFC powerhouses scoring only 14-17 points. Our D is good, but has only gone up against one top notch team all year(NY) and the Gmen are stronger now than then, as they are running on all cylinders. If we lose to KC next weekend it is going to be 5-11 or 6-10. Fans need to start carrying anti Snyder signs into Fedex and wear bags on their heads, or better yet not show up. This needs to go on for a while, but it will get media attention and Snyder's ass will be held accountable. People really were starting to harp on the Fords and all those blackouts Detroit has had the past few seasons caught up to them. Snyder has no reason to change direction if he is maxing out the profits still.

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[quote=Lotus;608041]I predict that we turn it around, go 8-3 from now, finish 10-6, and make it to the NFC championship game.

There. Someone had to say it.[/quote]

It IS possible. You have brass balls for saying it Lotus. :food-smil

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[quote=44Deezel;608002]How is it that Jeremy Bridges wasn't good enough to make a team with a cruddy O-line, but he can make the active roster of a team that was in Super Bowl last year? And didn't he start 14 games last year for the Panthers... one of the most dominant run teams of a year ago??? I wonder if we could use him right about now.[/quote]

Bridges is with the Steelers?

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No more dealing draft picks. We need as many as we can get to build the team. We have been doing that since Gibbs came back and that has set this team back plenty in terms of overall talent and depth. Haynesworth will be another Wilkinson, some production, but not to the level he was expected to do. Hall looks like he might pan out, but we still overpaid him. If we do finish below .500 we still could land a top QB, just not the big names. Look at Flacco and Ryan. Solid Qbs that were not top headliners.

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[quote=Lotus;608041]I predict that we turn it around, go 8-3 from now, finish 10-6, and make it to the NFC championship game.

There. Someone had to say it.[/quote]

Man...does anyone have faith these days? You need to believe in these guys Lotus.

I personally believe that we will go 12-0 from here on out and then play in the Super Bowl on Feb 30th...Hail to the Redskins!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;608083]Man...does anyone have faith these days? You need to believe in these guys Lotus.

I personally believe that we will go 12-0 from here on out and then play in the Super Bowl on Feb 30th...Hail to the Redskins![/quote]

Feb. 30th LOL

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;608077]Bridges is with the Steelers?[/quote]
There was more than one team in the SB ;)

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[quote=Skinny Tee;608083]Man...does anyone have faith these days? You need to believe in these guys Lotus.

I personally believe that we will go 12-0 from here on out and then play in the [B]Super Bowl on Feb 30th[/B]...Hail to the Redskins![/quote]

You said the Super Bowl was Feb. 30 and I believed you. I bought in to what you had to say and went out and bought tickets from a scalper who told me he had a boatload of tickets for the Feb. 30th Super Bowl. Now I find out the Super Bowl is Feb. 7th and I'm out 1500 dollars! I thought this was a board for educated posters and now I'm not only out of my money but out of my dream of attending a Super Bowl! As long as people keep putting this kind of stuff out there we''ll keep putting money into the pockets of crooked scalpers and the corruption will [B]never[/B] end!........... J/K Tee. :)