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[quote=Skinny Tee;608059]Yeah...I'm just tangenting on an imaginary topic. How offended would you be if that took place.

Mayflower style, up and move to LA. I think we'd get a new team to DC but you know they wouldn't give us the name Redskins again due to it's (perceived) derogatory nature.

...I'd have to kill someone if that happened.[/quote]I don't think DS would be able to get 22 other owners to approve a move.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608067]Two years [I]before[/I] Baugh retired...that's awesome!

Anyhow, I mean I know there have been some really bad Redskins teams back in the day so why do you think there is backlash now that wasn't there before?[/quote]

that's what I was thinking talk about back in the day.

I know you didn't ask me about why but i think part of it has to do with the money involved. my family sent me and my son to two games for a BD present two years ago. the tickets came from ebay and stub hub but it set us back well over $1,000 for two days of football, that is not including travel and hotel

when you are spending the money we are talking about and the ownership just jacks up prices and won't get around their ego to put a quaility team together, we have a right to be upset.

you only have to hope they will listen

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[quote=mlmpetert;608045]Wow that just gave me chills.

Going to games is okay imho because tickets are sold out allready. But dont buy tickets from Stubhub, buy from craigslist or ebay. Wearing brown bags to games, however; is a great idea. Not buying anything at games INCLUDING BEER is a great idea. Only buying knock off Chinese jerseys on eBay is a good idea. And keep posting disappointment comments on messages boards is smart. I listen to a lot of sports radio and fans finnally seem to be calling up and voicing their concern, usually in Richmond no one calls (including myself), so start calling and ALWAYS include some disappointment in the ownership in addition to whatever you might you have to say.

I think just dont stop. I mean look what complacency has gotten us. Look whats saying danny s. wants whats best, he wants the same as us, has given us. Look what saying well cerrato has made some good draft moves in the later rounds, lets not think about the other things has done. Look what saying hey EVERYONE admits the oline is the biggest weakness lets just ignore drafting there because jersey sales take a huge hit if we do has brought this team.

Go to Kings Dominion and Bush Gardens not Six Flags. Buy knock off Redskins gear online not the genuine products from Redskins Stores, redskins.com or even cheap little nick naks like koozies and decals from grocery stores.

Fuck Authentic. Buy Knock Off, if you really love this team. Not just for the rest of this season but until we are legit contenders or ownership has materially changed. If you think any royalties may end up in dannys pocket dont buy. When in doubt just move on.

If you can Stop Caring thats the biggest way to be heard. Thats the hardest thing to do, but maybe the most meaningful. Start routing for you back up teams.

Support your passion not the ownership![/quote]

Many fans are also disenchanted with the idea of having to pay for season tickets so far in advance. We think of all the interest paid on that money before we even take a seat, none of which trickles down to anything benificial to the fans. Going to a game is a very expensive proposition anymore, couple that with how the team is being managed, fans are more and more just getting fed up.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;608054]Maybe he can pawn the Skins off on Limbaugh. :rofl:[/quote]

Limbaugh has forgotten more about football than Snyder or Vinny will ever know. Rush is going to be one of the best owners in the NFL. Put money on it.

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The simple fact is that technology has stripped the american society of a collective, unifying voice. We are opinionated passive observers each with an individual perspective slightly deafened by the next.

How was so much accomplished during the civil rights movement without the advent of modern technology? A organized, consolidated effort by a minority of like minded revolutionaries advocating positive and proactive change.

If you love this team as I do, lets take a diligent and concerted stand against those in percieved positions of authority and power.

We converge upon Redskins Park in throngs with a universal mantra, like " We love this team but things must change." The media will cover the spectical and it will send the ripple effect across Redskins Nation and a proclamation to Daniel Snyder that we will no longer be subjugated by small minds and deep pockets.

In short we take our team back.

Constructive thoughts and ideas welcome. Please no minutiae.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608096]The simple fact is that technology has stripped the american society of a collective, unifying voice. We are opinionated passive observers each with an individual perspective slightly deafened by the next.

How was so much accomplished during the civil rights movement without the advent of modern technology? A organized, consolidated effort by a minority of like minded revolutionaries advocating positive and proactive change.

If you love this team as I do, lets take a diligent and concerted stand against those in percieved positions of authority and power.

We converge upon Redskins Park in throngs with a universal montra, like " We love this team but things must change." The media will cover the spectical and it will send the ripple effect across Redskins Nation and a proclaimation to Daniel Snyder that we will no longer be subjugated by small minds and deep pockets.

[B]In short we take our team back.[/B]

Constructive thoughts and ideas welcome. Please no minutiae.[/quote]

It'll be hard proving it's our team since we don't possess the keys to Redskins Park.

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D.Snyder is a good owner he just has to many cross-eyed yes men around him.

SMOOTSMACK that LA comment I almost crapped myself cause with every we have seen from trough the years. Talk about getting mindf**k thats what that was.

WE NEED A NEW GM THATS THE STARTING PIONT!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;608097]It'll be hard proving it's our team since we don't possess the keys to Redskins Park.[/quote]

This is the kind of literal, myopic thought process that keeps the social structure intact and progress from coming to fruition.

We are his revenue stream and without us the Snyder franchise machine does not function. So I would say OUR team is appropriate.

Anyone else.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608067]Two years [I]before[/I] Baugh retired...that's awesome!

Anyhow, I mean I know there have been some really bad Redskins teams back in the day so why do you think there is backlash now that wasn't there before?[/quote]


Much may have to do with the expanded fan base. There was not as much interest in the Redskins then from the far away places like it is now. By Washington being a transit city it draws people from around the country who take up residence here for various reasons, but not neccessarily Redskin fans.

For a longtime to many DC residents the Redskins were an afterthought. Mr. Marshall had alienated the African American community to the extent they would not attend games because of his policies regarding African American players. When Marshall sold the team fan interest increased despite the fact the teams were not good. George Allen did more to energize the fanbase here than any other coach in modern times except Joe Gibbs. Under his guidance the team became a winner again and fans showed their support.

I was ten yrs. old when my Father & Uncle took me to my first Redskin game. We would go to Church right across the street from old Griffith Stadium at the "Happy Am I" Church, pastored by Elder "Lightfoot" Soloman Michaux. Season tickets for lower deck seats were $24.00 Beer 10cents a bottle. My Uncle was an Usher at Griffith Stadium when the Homestead Grays played baseball there..........Lot's of memories.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608096]The simple fact is that technology has stripped the american society of a collective, unifying voice. We are opinionated passive observers each with an individual perspective slightly deafened by the next.

How was so much accomplished during the civil rights movement without the advent of modern technology? A organized, consolidated effort by a minority of like minded revolutionaries advocating positive and proactive change.

If you love this team as I do, lets take a diligent and concerted stand against those in percieved positions of authority and power.

We converge upon Redskins Park in throngs with a universal montra, like " We love this team but things must change." The media will cover the spectical and it will send the ripple effect across Redskins Nation and a proclamation to Daniel Snyder that we will no longer be subjugated by small minds and deep pockets.

In short we take our team back.

Constructive thoughts and ideas welcome. Please no minutiae.[/quote]

great idea I would certainly be for it

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[quote=Longtimefan;608110]

I was ten yrs. old when my Father & Uncle took me to my first Redskin game. We would go to Church right across the street from old Griffith Stadium at the "Happy Am I" Church, pastored by Elder "Lightfoot" Soloman Michaux. Season tickets for lower deck seats were $24.00 Beer 10cents a bottle. My Uncle was an Usher at Griffith Stadium when the Homestead Grays played baseball there..........Lot's of memories.[/quote]


Your username isn't a joke

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[quote=Longtimefan;608110]Much may have to do with the expanded fan base. There was not as much interest in the Redskins then from the far away places like it is now. By Washington being a transit city it draws people from around the country who take up residence here for various reasons, but not neccessarily Redskin fans.

For a longtime to many DC residents the Redskins were an afterthought. Mr. Marshall had alienated the African American community to the extent they would not attend games because of his policies regarding African American players. When Marshall sold the team fan interest increased despite the fact the teams were not good. George Allen did more to energize the fanbase here than any other coach in modern times except Joe Gibbs. Under his guidance the team became a winner again and fans showed their support.

I was ten yrs. old when my Father & Uncle took me to my first Redskin game. We would go to Church right across the street from old Griffith Stadium at the "Happy Am I" Church, pastored by Elder "Lightfoot" Soloman Michaux. Season tickets for lower deck seats were $24.00 Beer 10cents a bottle. My Uncle was an Usher at Griffith Stadium when the Homestead Grays played baseball there..........[B]Lot's of memories[/B].[/quote]

It's hard seeing this isn't it Longtimefan? I know it's very hard for me. I love this team. Joe Gibbs, the Hogs, etc. Some of my best memories.

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[quote=53Fan;608114]It's hard seeing this isn't it Longtimefan? I know it's very hard for me. I love this team. Joe Gibbs, the Hogs, etc. Some of my best memories.[/quote]

You're not alone 53, the Joe Gibbs years were the best in the history of this storid franchise. His early reign here was my reason for getting out of bed on Sunday morning.

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Part of the beauty of the Redskins fan base is the enduring passion and dedication we exude for a team that over the past decade has underperformed and been consistently less than stellar.

I know that we can find a way to impact this team in a positive manner and bring about the change we all deserve and desire.

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Maybe you should try the official board, ES

oh wait nevermind they just want to ban everybody

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;608087]Limbaugh has forgotten more about football than Snyder or Vinny will ever know. Rush is going to be one of the best owners in the NFL. Put money on it.[/quote]
Rush is as close today as he will ever get to owning an NFL team which is to say nowhere close.

On topic, the only way to 'get your voice heard' is to try to embarass ownership. Either by a mass walk out or by some kind of propaganda (I love the paper plates with the picture of Vinny and the line drawn through it) but good luck getting those into the stadium. Instead of booing the players, I'd love to hear an organized college basketball-like chant of 'FIRE VINNY'.

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[quote=Paintrain;608163]Rush is as close today as he will ever get to owning an NFL team which is to say nowhere close.

On topic, the only way to 'get your voice heard' is to try to embarass ownership. Either by a mass walk out or by some kind of propaganda (I love the paper plates with the picture of Vinny and the line drawn through it) but good luck getting those into the stadium. Instead of booing the players, I'd love to hear an organized college basketball-like chant of 'FIRE VINNY'.[/quote]

Yeah I doubt Rush gets anywhere near owning a team. He's too controversial and not the PR move the NFL wants to deal with.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608071]I don't think DS would be able to get 22 other owners to approve a move.[/quote]
Not only that but he'd never move from an area that he can still make money in to an area that can't really hold a team.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608116]Part of the beauty of the Redskins fan base is the enduring passion and dedication we exude for a team that over the past decade has underperformed and been consistently less than stellar.

I know that we can find a way to impact this team in a positive manner and bring about the change we all deserve and desire.[/quote]

I love a good dreamer

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[quote=Longtimefan;608110]I was ten yrs. old when my Father & Uncle took me to my first Redskin game. We would go to Church right across the street from old Griffith Stadium at the "Happy Am I" Church, pastored by Elder "Lightfoot" Soloman Michaux. Season tickets for lower deck seats were $24.00 Beer 10cents a bottle. My Uncle was an Usher at Griffith Stadium when the Homestead Grays played baseball there..........Lot's of memories.[/quote]My Mom and Dad used to tell me about going to Griffith Stadium and watching Eddie LeBaron play. Some of my best memories growing up were centered around the Skins. It's hard right now, but have faith, we'll get back to the good times. Thanks to Matty and the other mods we've got a pretty visible platform here and you can be sure the folks at Redskin Park see this stuff.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608186]I love a good dreamer[/quote]

but he's not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
and Skins fans will be as one

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Good read today by Wilbon

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/13/AR2009101303177.html?sub=AR]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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Here is my own personal boycott:

The Skins are no longer must see TV for me on Sundays. Last weekend the wife and I took a road trip to go visit friends and see their kid play Pee Wee football. They won 27-6 so at least I saw some winning football. It was the first Redskins game I've missed in years and honestly I really didn't care.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608201]Good read today by Wilbon

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/13/AR2009101303177.html?sub=AR"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]Hopefully Snyder reads this column, because it captures exactly what we the fans have been spouting over for years. His ego is the root of the problem. Fire Vinny, and bring in a respected, up and coming football executive to build this team the right way. I've been a huge admirer of the Philly way. They always seem to have 10 draft picks every year, and they build quality depth on both lines. The one year that Snyder had 10 draft picks, he selects 3 receivers in the 2nd round, and only ONE offensive lineman (Rinehart) out of 10 picks.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608201]Good read today by Wilbon

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/13/AR2009101303177.html?sub=AR"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

That's what i'm talking about. In business, you look up to persons who are successful in the business you are in. If you are in sales you model your business after those who are the best at what they do. You pick a mentor.

When you want to build a great football organization you look at teams that have a great organization such as Pitts, Balt, NYG, Indi. You hire people that come from those great organizations, like a Polian or his son.

We all have talked about this for years, but maybe DS will finally come around if it starts hurting his wallet.

My wife and I have some friends going to the Denver game. We were considering going but i asked her, Do you feel like spending 12 hours and $500+ to see 14 pts scored? We decided to go to a Caps game instead.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608207]Here is my own personal boycott:

The Skins are no longer must see TV for me on Sundays. Last weekend the wife and I took a road trip to go visit friends and see their kid play Pee Wee football. They won 27-6 so at least I saw some winning football. It was the first Redskins game I've missed in years and honestly I really didn't care.[/quote]I'm just about to that point. The wife would be thrilled if I used my Sundays for a family outing or to address items on her honey-do list. When even the wins are unfulfilling, you have to question whether there is ANY value in watching this team. I believe that I'll follow your lead - thanks Matty.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608201]Good read today by Wilbon

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/13/AR2009101303177.html?sub=AR]washingtonpost.com[/url][/quote]

Yeah! Just finished reading Wilbon and he was spot on, echoing what many have been saying for a long time now.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608183]Yeah I doubt Rush gets anywhere near owning a team. He's too controversial and not the PR move the NFL wants to deal with.[/quote]

Rush, of course, wouldn't be the majority owner (I don't think) and technically I don't think the Rams are even officially for sale. All that said though, if the NFL can keep Howard Milstein from owning the Redskins I don't see how they couldn't keep Rush away from the Rams

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[quote=Mattyk72;608207]Here is my own personal boycott:

The Skins are no longer must see TV for me on Sundays. Last weekend the wife and I took a road trip to go visit friends and see their kid play Pee Wee football. They won 27-6 so at least I saw some winning football. It was the first Redskins game I've missed in years and honestly I really didn't care.[/quote]

I haven't watched the Skins live (as in when it's on tv) on Sunday all year (save for the first quarter and a half of the Giants game). The rest of the season has been all "on-demand" after the fact. Gotta take advantage of the weather up here before it gets too cold to step outside. I'll watch the Monday night game against the Eagles live, other than that I don't see them fitting into my schedule. The times they are a changing

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[quote=SmootSmack;608215]I haven't watched the Skins live (as in when it's on tv) on Sunday all year (save for the first quarter and a half of the Giants game). The rest of the season has been all "on-demand" after the fact. Gotta take advantage of the weather up here before it gets too cold to step outside. I'll watch the Monday night game against the Eagles live, other than that I don't see them fitting into my schedule. The times they are a changing[/quote]

Watching games on TV (espically Fox) is not the greatest experience in the world anymore. They went fishing for much of the first half of Sunday's game.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608207]Here is my own personal boycott:

The Skins are no longer must see TV for me on Sundays. Last weekend the wife and I took a road trip to go visit friends and see their kid play Pee Wee football. They won 27-6 so at least I saw some winning football. It was the first Redskins game I've missed in years and honestly I really didn't care.[/quote]

This is where i've been this year. I mean, if they don't care enough to put a quality product on the field, i don't care enough to carve time out of my schedule to watch it. It's just a team playing just a sport. Ambivalence is what they should be fearing.

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I am not judging anyone who is finding better use of their time then watching this terrible team. But I can't turn away...I have to see every second live. I don't know why either...if I tried to do something else I would just obsess about whats going on in the game. I don't agree with most of what they do...every other thing i write on here is about how much I can't stand Snyderatto yet I just can't stop watching.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608207]Here is my own personal boycott:

The Skins are no longer must see TV for me on Sundays. Last weekend the wife and I took a road trip to go visit friends and see their kid play Pee Wee football. They won 27-6 so at least I saw some winning football. It was the first Redskins game I've missed in years and honestly I really didn't care.[/quote]

you know I did the same thing for the bucs game- and I actually felt like I accomplished something with the day. Unfortunately I was back at the bar for the panthers game last sunday- can't seem to shake it, but its a start. Isn't there a site we could start? I had a buddy that started a fireisiah.com (isiah thomas) site a few years back- not sure it did any good, but...

There is already a poorly run "firevinny.com" or something like that...i don't know.

Im with matty here, think of it as having your sunday's (and mental health back).

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[quote=celts32;608230]I am not judging anyone who is finding better use of their time then watching this terrible team. But I can't turn away...I have to see every second live. I don't know why either...if I tried to do something else I would just obsess about whats going on in the game. I don't agree with most of what they do...every other thing i write on here is about how much I can't stand Snyderatto yet I just can't stop watching.[/quote]Celts - sounds like you need a 12-step plan to wean you off of bad football ;-)

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Honestly though, even if they were 5-0 right now I'm not sure my approach would be much different. I have things to do with my life. I've been through the whole dedicate your entire weekend to the Redskins (more than many here), but like I said I've got things to do, places to be, people to see.

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[quote=celts32;608230]I am not judging anyone who is finding better use of their time then watching this terrible team. [B] But I can't turn away...I have to see every second live[/B]. I don't know why either...if I tried to do something else I would just obsess about whats going on in the game. I don't agree with most of what they do...every other thing i write on here is about how much I can't stand Snyderatto yet I just can't stop watching.[/quote]

A lot of people are that way about watching car wrecks.

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Herein lies the greatest, and one of the largest conglomerates of same-sayers found anywhere discussing the state of the Redskins organization. It behooves me how the "little man" can be sitting somewhere idly by, absorbing every word we print and continuing to stand by his conviction "If it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude.

It behooves me how for the better part of a decade he can watch his team become an exercise in futility, and not heed the advice from so many wisdom dwellers far superior in the knowledge of kingdom building. However, something tells me that despite his stubborness and seemingly unwillingness to adjust, there's no way he won't eventually adhere to the logic of his detractors and change his evil ways.

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[quote=Longtimefan;607989]Breaking News: Washington Redskins Owner Dan Snyder Set To Hire New GM.

Team owner, Daniel Snyder, looking to add a spark to the struggling Redskins, has found a new General Manager for his team.

Snyder has offered the position to a money stack with big googly eyes. The money stack is currently a pitchman for GEICO Insurance.

The deal is reportedly worth the unguaranteed portion of Albert Hanesworth's $100 million contract.

Snyder will likely be retaining Executive Vice President of Football Operations, Vinnie Cerrato, The 'Skins owner said the move simply "brings in another set of eyes."

Snyder recently placed a sort of gag order on Defensive Coordinator Greg Blache, something not neccessary with the potential new GM, as he only communicates via text, never verbally.

Snyder was also impressed that the GEICO representative, like himself, was made of money.

There is a possibility that, if hired the money stack could bring in his own crew, including the Geico Gecko to replace head coach Jim Zorn. Zorn denied the rumor, but did mention that he"always feels like somebody's watching me"

Dan Snyder revealed that an overriding factor in his decision to make this move was "the money he could be saving by switching to GEICO (employees)[/quote]

I'll go you one better than that: Word is, that once the naming rights contract between Danny Boy and Federal Express expires, the stadium will be renamed Dyson Field - the logic being, there is no other NFL team that can better demonstrate the sucking power of their vacuum cleaners than our beloved 'Skins....

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Its disheartening to see the true Redskins fans on this site being eclipsed by this bandwagoning, ambiguous group of posers.

The person in this thread is looking for a galvanizing solution, and all I'm hearing are a bunch of gutless, spineless suburbanite naysayers. Where is your resolve and why express an opinion if your solution is to do nothing?

"What good is a cynic with no better plan"

-Ben Harper

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[quote=Longtimefan;608252]Herein lies the greatest, and one of the largest conglomerates of same-sayers found anywhere discussing the state of the Redskins organization. It behooves me how the "little man" can be sitting somewhere idly by, absorbing every word we print and continuing to stand by his conviction "If it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude.

It behooves me how for the better part of a decade he can watch his team become an exercise in futility, and not heed the advice from so many wisdom dwellers far superior in the knowledge of kingdom building. However, something tells me that despite his stubborness and seemingly unwillingness to adjust, there's no way he won't eventually adhere to the logic of his detractors and change his evil ways.[/quote]

Well said.