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[quote=Schneed10;610007]That's ridiculous. Dan Snyder watches one thing to monitor fans' committment to the team: the money they spend on them. An "avatar mutiny" on a fan website would actually make a difference to Dan Snyder? What planet do you live on?

Look you're either a fan or you're not. If you feel pissed off and saddened by what's going on, then it's clear you still care about the Redskins. But if you're starting to say hey you know what, I might enjoy watching the Saints play because they're fun to watch, that's headed down a bad road.

Besides, Dan Snyder wants to win football games. He sucks at it, but he wants to win. I don't think any boycotts, whether financial or avatar (pfft) will make a difference to him. We hear a lot of stuff about Zorn's status, but for all we know Snyder could be ready to drop the axe on both him and Vinny.

If this changing the avatars thing is meant as some sort of protest against Dan Snyder, then maybe I'm off-base in questioning someone's committment to the team. But I definitely don't think I'm off base in thinking they're idiots (honestly, who in their right mind thinks that's going to make a bit of difference???).[/quote]

You dont think if merchandise sales go down and games start getting blacked out, Snyder might change his behavior? I think we he feels the impact in those ways, he would. Do fans actually have the composure and communication to carry out such an act? I don't think so.

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Trample....get over it. We are fair weather fans. We don't have as much spirit as those who choose to [B][I]"Rock the Colors or Avatars."[/I][/B]

and now we are not idiot enough to think that even if we could bribe you all to change your avatar, that it would show up on DS's radar and he would feel compelled to fire everyone and bring in all new staff including a GM and step back and enjoy the show. I mean it's a nice thought but not going to happen. but it does allow some of us fair weather fans to feel like we are voicing our opinions or feelings perhaps even bonding with you most spirited folk. Unless you all would like to start a petition or have us all write a letter or e-mail to DS.:)

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;610009]I can do whatever I want as long as the mods say I'm within the rules of the board. If you don't like my Steeler's, NFL, or Reed Doughty Avatars, well too bad.
As for fair weather fan, say what you want. I've been waiting for over ten years for good weather. We've had a few breaks in the storm every once in awhile, but for the most part its been a steady stream, if not a total downpour. When you're in the rain for that long it's impossible not to get sick.
Perhaps some of you think that I want the Skins to lose. Nothing can be farther from the truth. I want the Skins to win every effing game by big margins, but I'll take a win. [B]
This is the only way I can show my anger towards the ownership of this team, besides not buying merchandise.[/B] Snyder is lucky to have people like us who still give a shit. I know of a lot of people who went to the Steelers and the Ravens. Most of the people I know, who wouldn't switch, don't even bother to watch anymore.[/quote]


So you feel the Redskins logo only represents this season and the current ownership.

It doesn't. By switching your logo you are lumping your displeasure this season with all the Skins have done in the past IMO.

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[quote=SBXVII;610024]Trample....get over it. We are fair weather fans. We don't have as much spirit as those who choose to [B][I]"Rock the Colors or Avatars."[/I][/B]

and now we are not idiot enough to think that even if we could bribe you all to change your avatar, that it would show up on DS's radar and he would feel compelled to fire everyone and bring in all new staff including a GM and step back and enjoy the show. I mean it's a nice thought but not going to happen. but it does allow some of us fair weather fans to feel like we are voicing our opinions or feelings perhaps even bonding with you most spirited folk. U[B]nless you all would like to start a petition or have us all write a letter or e-mail to DS.:)[/B][/quote]

[url=http://www.fanexodus.com/]FAN EXODUS.COM[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;610007][B]That's ridiculous. Dan Snyder watches one thing to monitor fans' committment to the team: the money they spend on them. An "avatar mutiny" on a fan website would actually make a difference to Dan Snyder? What planet do you live on?[/B]

Look you're either a fan or you're not. If you feel pissed off and saddened by what's going on, then it's clear you still care about the Redskins. But if you're starting to say hey you know what, I might enjoy watching the Saints play because they're fun to watch, that's headed down a bad road.

Besides, Dan Snyder wants to win football games. He sucks at it, but he wants to win. I don't think any boycotts, whether financial or avatar (pfft) will make a difference to him. We hear a lot of stuff about Zorn's status, but for all we know Snyder could be ready to drop the axe on both him and Vinny.

If this changing the avatars thing is meant as some sort of protest against Dan Snyder, then maybe I'm off-base in questioning someone's committment to the team. But I definitely don't think I'm off base in thinking they're idiots (honestly, who in their right mind thinks that's going to make a bit of difference???).[/quote]

Yeah that's pretty laughable

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[quote=Schneed10;610007]That's ridiculous. [B]Dan Snyder watches one thing to monitor fans' committment to the team: the money they spend on them.[/B] An "avatar mutiny" on a fan website would actually make a difference to Dan Snyder? What planet do you live on?[/quote]

I totally agree...and precisely why I haven't bought anything from Snyder in over a year and don't plan on it until he 1) completely turns the team over to a legit GM 2) no longer owns the team.

...that said I don't think there's anything wrong w/ fans expressing their utter disgust of the appalling mismanagement of the franchise in other ways as well. The billboard idea is pretty smooth. I think the best thing to do though is an organized effort where fans (those willing to throw their money away) take signs to the home games calling out the clowns in the FO to stop the insanity.

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In the end does it really matter? I liked watching NO beat up on the Giants. It can be done!

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[quote=hooskins;610022][B]You dont think if merchandise sales go down and games start getting blacked out, Snyder might change his behavior[/B]? I think we he feels the impact in those ways, he would. Do fans actually have the composure and communication to carry out such an act? I don't think so.[/quote]

That would register, for sure. Which is why I attacked the notion that an avatar mutiny would have any effect, and noted that the only thing Snyder monitors regarding the fans is the money they spend.

But ultimately no, I don't think there's any changing the man's behavior. He's going to continue to do what he thinks will put the team in the best position to win games. The problem is, he thinks that if he has a hand in football decisions, he's doing what's in the best interests of the team.

We have an owner who wants to win really badly and will do whatever he must to win. Problem is he has no idea how to identify people capable of building an NFL roster.

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[quote=Schneed10;610007]That's ridiculous. Dan Snyder watches one thing to monitor fans' committment to the team: the money they spend on them. An "avatar mutiny" on a fan website would actually make a difference to Dan Snyder? What planet do you live on?

Look you're either a fan or you're not. If you feel pissed off and saddened by what's going on, then it's clear you still care about the Redskins. But if you're starting to say hey you know what, I might enjoy watching the Saints play because they're fun to watch, that's headed down a bad road.

Besides, Dan Snyder wants to win football games. He sucks at it, but he wants to win. I don't think any boycotts, whether financial or avatar (pfft) will make a difference to him. We hear a lot of stuff about Zorn's status, but for all we know Snyder could be ready to drop the axe on both him and Vinny.

If this changing the avatars thing is meant as some sort of protest against Dan Snyder, then maybe I'm off-base in questioning someone's committment to the team. But I definitely don't think I'm off base in thinking they're idiots (honestly, who in their right mind thinks that's going to make a bit of difference???).[/quote]

Agreed on all points. I am a true fan through the good and the bad...both the Spurrier and Zorn experiments as well as the Gibbs glory years. I could not show support for another team, whether jokingly or seriously.

Besides, we're not even Snyder's "favored" web site...he doesn't even care if we're here or not, let alone monitor our avatars. :D


It's is sad to see how people can give up on their team so easily. Yes, this is the low point of the Redskins in most of our lives, but I'm sticking with them.

Don't forget, the Skins had a playoff drought from 1946 to 1970, including back-to-back [B]1-win seasons[/B] in the early 60s. We're nowhere near that bad right now.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;609675]I'm gonna pull a Fred Smoot...... POINT BLANK: Do away with those FCKED UP OTHER TEAM avatars. This does happen to be a REDSKIN FAN forum!

They shouldn't be on a REDSKINS OFFICIAL OR UNOFFICIAL Team fan forum to begin with! Something I have never understood why the path let this happen!

Lets have a VOTE MODS.[/quote]

Wow dude. Just wow. I'm a Dolphins fan. I've been a Dolphins fan for the better part of 25 years. I'm also an NFL fan. I watch other games when my team isn't on. I follow the AFC East very closely because my team is in that division. I was turned on to this board something like 6 years ago by my boyfriend (a Redskins fan). I follow the Redskins (and by follow I mean watch/have an interest in) because my boyfriend is a fan. I liked this board because I found the discussions interesting. I liked this board because it was the first to post news about other teams (ie: the Ricky Williams debacle and Pennington going on IR). I liked this board because I saw the acceptance of a [I]Dallas[/I] fan (I can't remember his name but I think SmootSmack or Matty might know who I'm referring to) who was respectful and capable of promoting [I]discussion[/I].
Did it ever occur to you that fans of other teams are capable of having NFL discussions regarding the Redskins?
When I first signed up for this board, I felt I received a warm welcome. There were questions of course as to why a Dolphins fan would come to a Redskins forum and I did my best to answer them.
Is the GTFO mentality of the above post what this forum has become? If that is truly the feeling of the members of the Warpath, then I am saddened by the degeneration of what I found to be an interesting site. I guess I'll have one less thing in my favorites.
I do wish you guys the best of luck. I do hope this franchise can turn things around. Most of all, I [I]do[/I] know what it's like to feel the frustration of the downslide of a once proud franchise.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;609675]I'm gonna pull a Fred Smoot...... POINT BLANK: Do away with those FCKED UP OTHER TEAM avatars. This does happen to be a REDSKIN FAN forum!

They shouldn't be on a REDSKINS OFFICIAL OR UNOFFICIAL Team fan forum to begin with! Something I have never understood why the path let this happen!

Lets have a VOTE MODS.[/quote]

Um yeah not the message we're looking to send out here at all. We talk NFL news and I think fans of other teams offer up a good perspective on things (even our rival fans at times).

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[quote=Finslady;611958]Wow dude. Just wow. I'm a Dolphins fan. I've been a Dolphins fan for the better part of 25 years. I'm also an NFL fan. I watch other games when my team isn't on. I follow the AFC East very closely because my team is in that division. I was turned on to this board something like 6 years ago by my boyfriend (a Redskins fan). I follow the Redskins (and by follow I mean watch/have an interest in) because my boyfriend is a fan. I liked this board because I found the discussions interesting. I liked this board because it was the first to post news about other teams (ie: the Ricky Williams debacle and Pennington going on IR). I liked this board because I saw the acceptance of a [I]Dallas[/I] fan (I can't remember his name but I think SmootSmack or Matty might know who I'm referring to) who was respectful and capable of promoting [I]discussion[/I].
Did it ever occur to you that fans of other teams are capable of having NFL discussions regarding the Redskins?
When I first signed up for this board, I felt I received a warm welcome. There were questions of course as to why a Dolphins fan would come to a Redskins forum and I did my best to answer them.
[B]Is the GTFO mentality of the above post what this forum has become?[/B] If that is truly the feeling of the members of the Warpath, then I am saddened by the degeneration of what I found to be an interesting site. I guess I'll have one less thing in my favorites.
I do wish you guys the best of luck. I do hope this franchise can turn things around. Most of all, I [I]do[/I] know what it's like to feel the frustration of the downslide of a once proud franchise.[/quote]

No it is not.

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Is this lamethetic?


Edit: When this post was made the poster was sporting a Raiders Avatar. The Raiders were selected because despite their crappy record they actually managed to beat the Eagles this week. The poster would have chosen the New Orleans Saints Avatar because they took out the Giants this week but he chose not to however because sporting a shitty team is just funnier in the opinion of the poster. The poster does not typically refer to himself in the 3rd person he just did not feel that writing the letter I would have done this explanation justice.

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[quote=Angry;612016]Is this lamethetic?[/quote]


Nope, its Digorno.

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There was a blog posted earlier that made a great point: only in sports would patrons continue to support an establishment that never satisfies. It's like going back to the same restaurant over and over again, when they burn the entree every time.

I can totally understand people who want to root for other teams -- not because we're having a poor season -- because there is little hope given the current structure. In any other aspect of life, nobody would question such behavior -- only in sports is it unacceptable.

To me, a fairweather fan is somebody who is only interested in the team if they're winning -- regardless of anything else. A fan who has stood by the team in years of losing, and now realizes they don't want to support a defective philosophy is something COMPLETELY different. So, it comes down to your reasons. Fairweather fans only care about winning. Good fans know enough about the team, and football in general, to care more about philosophy than winning. If we had a great philosophy, but were still losing, there'd be no justification, IMO. But, we have no direction, no plan, no philosophy, and no hope until those things change.

It's also silly to me that people justify blind, unconditional support for the team based on the past. I will always love the Redskins because of their history. My love is unconditional, but my support is definitely conditional. Snyder has ruined this team, and although I still support them, that will not last forever unless some fundamental changes are made. Call me fairweather -- I call you a sheep and a chump. Keep making Danny rich, and never getting any satisfaction. Keep fanning the fire -- maybe it will get so big this organization will burn to the ground.

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Well if you people don't like it (not to say that I do) go ahead and switch teams, but stick with them through the thick and thin, not that you will, because you're not now.

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[quote=Finslady;611958]Wow dude. Just wow. I'm a Dolphins fan. I've been a Dolphins fan for the better part of 25 years. I'm also an NFL fan. I watch other games when my team isn't on. I follow the AFC East very closely because my team is in that division. I was turned on to this board something like 6 years ago by my boyfriend (a Redskins fan). I follow the Redskins (and by follow I mean watch/have an interest in) because my boyfriend is a fan. I liked this board because I found the discussions interesting. I liked this board because it was the first to post news about other teams (ie: the Ricky Williams debacle and Pennington going on IR). I liked this board because I saw the acceptance of a [I]Dallas[/I] fan (I can't remember his name but I think SmootSmack or Matty might know who I'm referring to) who was respectful and capable of promoting [I]discussion[/I].
Did it ever occur to you that fans of other teams are capable of having NFL discussions regarding the Redskins?
When I first signed up for this board, I felt I received a warm welcome. There were questions of course as to why a Dolphins fan would come to a Redskins forum and I did my best to answer them.
Is the GTFO mentality of the above post what this forum has become? If that is truly the feeling of the members of the Warpath, then I am saddened by the degeneration of what I found to be an interesting site. I guess I'll have one less thing in my favorites.
I do wish you guys the best of luck. I do hope this franchise can turn things around. Most of all, I [I]do[/I] know what it's like to feel the frustration of the downslide of a once proud franchise.[/quote]

Don't let a few bad eggs ruin the experience for you. I encourage you to stay and ignore the haters.

Most of Redskins fans aren't like that. It works in the same way as politics. There are the few good people on both sides, die-hard and lesser dedicated fans. Then there are the fringe fans, the haters who go batshit crazy if there are people who enjoy other teams and openly admit it and the people who jump on and off the bandwagon dependent upon how the team is performing.

Most people fall right in the middle though. Makes it a nice bell curve. :)

At least come back and troll sometime.

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[quote=Finslady;611958]Wow dude. Just wow. I'm a Dolphins fan. I've been a Dolphins fan for the better part of 25 years. I'm also an NFL fan. I watch other games when my team isn't on. I follow the AFC East very closely because my team is in that division. I was turned on to this board something like 6 years ago by my boyfriend (a Redskins fan). I follow the Redskins (and by follow I mean watch/have an interest in) because my boyfriend is a fan. I liked this board because I found the discussions interesting. I liked this board because it was the first to post news about other teams (ie: the Ricky Williams debacle and Pennington going on IR). I liked this board because I saw the acceptance of a [I]Dallas[/I] fan (I can't remember his name but I think SmootSmack or Matty might know who I'm referring to) who was respectful and capable of promoting [I]discussion[/I].
Did it ever occur to you that fans of other teams are capable of having NFL discussions regarding the Redskins?
When I first signed up for this board, I felt I received a warm welcome. There were questions of course as to why a Dolphins fan would come to a Redskins forum and I did my best to answer them.
Is the GTFO mentality of the above post what this forum has become? If that is truly the feeling of the members of the Warpath, then I am saddened by the degeneration of what I found to be an interesting site. I guess I'll have one less thing in my favorites.
I do wish you guys the best of luck. I do hope this franchise can turn things around. Most of all, I [I]do[/I] know what it's like to feel the frustration of the downslide of a [B]once proud franchise[/B].[/quote]
PLease disregard the Ninny factor...
AND I take issue with one thing you said. It is still a proud franchise with some re-thinking/changes to make!
Welcome and HTTR

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Thanks Matty, Smoot, DynamiteRave, and Hog1. I couldn't really believe that those sentiments were majority rule.
In any case, let me clarify my "once proud franchise" statement. I was speaking of the Dolphins. All these years, I sported my colors. (People seem to get the idea that girls like the Phins because of their colors....aqua and orange? really? My linemen look like pumpkins in those orange jerseys.) Let me tell you, I was [I]proud[/I]. Proud of their history, coaches, players, owner, all of it. For the last decade or so (disregarding this year and last) I wasn't proud. I saw poor management, horrible coaches, godawful drafts and free agency, and disheartened players. Worst of all I saw fans, people I talked it up with, cheered with and shared disappointment with, turn. Turned to the [I]Patriots[/I]! Ugh. :vomit:
I wasn't proud of any of that. But I watched every painful game, raged against so many bad moves and sat with my head in my hands for more games than I can count. I did it because it was my team, my marriage. For better or worse, right?
IMO that's what a true fan does. The Skins will improve, and let me tell you, stick with it because when it happens, it's one of the best feelings in the world.

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Finslady,
as you can see, I live in S. Fl. Sooo, naturally I am surrounded by Dolpin coverage. In the offseason, I am glad to get it as....any football coverage beats none. I must say, the Fins are doing and have been doing some things I wish the Skins were. They have evaluated the talent they have and adapted the scheme for that. They have maximized what they can do.
THAT is what we need to start with and develope the future plans to migrate to some other scheme when possible.
Parcells is the right man for that job, and it shows.

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[quote=Finslady;612683]Thanks Matty, Smoot, DynamiteRave, and Hog1. I couldn't really believe that those sentiments were majority rule.
In any case, let me clarify my "once proud franchise" statement. I was speaking of the Dolphins. All these years, I sported my colors. (People seem to get the idea that girls like the Phins because of their colors....aqua and orange? really? My linemen look like pumpkins in those orange jerseys.) Let me tell you, I was [I]proud[/I]. Proud of their history, coaches, players, owner, all of it. For the last decade or so (disregarding this year and last) I wasn't proud. I saw poor management, horrible coaches, godawful drafts and free agency, and disheartened players. Worst of all I saw fans, people I talked it up with, cheered with and shared disappointment with, turn. Turned to the [I]Patriots[/I]! Ugh. :vomit:
I wasn't proud of any of that. But I watched every painful game, raged against so many bad moves and sat with my head in my hands for more games than I can count. I did it because it was my team, my marriage. For better or worse, right?
IMO that's what a true fan does. The Skins will improve, and let me tell you, stick with it because when it happens, it's one of the best feelings in the world.[/quote]

Bill Parcells. Nuff said.

Here's to your continued success!