Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=47FAN;609871]now doughty and horton?[/quote]
Why would you trade BOTH? Who would want 2 SS's in a trade? Would have to be 3-way and not worth the effort.

I don't know where you guys get the value of our players from.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Yes . We have the worst offense with him , we are not going to get any worse . I doubt we would find a team willing to part with a 1 & 3 . There isn't a single Veteran on this team I wouldn't ship for a 1st and 3rd . We have not won anything with this core of vets , time to make some changes .

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[quote=sfredskin;609762][b][size=7]noway!!![/size][/b][/quote]
ditto!

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I understand why you question it...

However, I have to ask you...where did you get the drugs that you are taking? If you are willing to share, I am more then willing to particpate....I wish I could dream these crazy thoughts...you think our offense if bad now? What do you think it would look like if we took our most consistent receiver out of the equation? Also, what do you think it would look like if you took Campbell's most comfortable target away...dream on dreamer...

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

anyone got anything to say...

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our most consistent receiver helped us lose to the lions, and was held without a catch last week

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=44Deezel;609787]It is. We've seen some of the elite teams trade away or let go some of their more popular players when it's in the best interest of their long term success. Moves that come to mind are Joey Porter in Pittsburgh and a bunch of guys for the Pats (Seymour this year). Can't let personal feelings get in the way of sound business moves. The team comes first. If we could get a 1 and 3 for Cooley, I'd say do it. Not sure we could though, and not all that confident the FO would make good with the picks. Tough call.[/quote]

There is no confidence in the front office period to trust them to make good sound draft picks. They haven't done anything yet to assure us as skins fans that they the brains for such a deal.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

no ones giving up a 1st and 3rd for a tight end....More like Santana Moss for a 2nd and a 3rd....Id take that right off the bat.....

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=Beemnseven;609761]If we accept that the only player on our roster that's attractive enough for another team to give up a first and third round draft pick is Chris Cooley, would you trade him?

Assuming that we could use both first round picks for offensive linemen, along with regaining the third round pick we lost for Jarmon, I would probably be in favor of it. Doesn't mean I don't like Chris Cooley -- he is a world class tight end, no doubt. But if there isn't a quarterback who could be kept upright long enough to find him, what good is he?

I think we could all agree that O-line should be the priority. If this was the only way we could stockpile extra draft picks to rebuild the line, would you jump? What if this could be our 'Hershel Walker' trade?[/quote]

I would drive him to the airport! I don't think the skins would get more then a #2 pick for Cooley.

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;609912]....More like Santana Moss for a 2nd and a 3rd....Id take that right off the bat.....[/quote]

Throw in Betts in the package (a token of appreciation) just for the Heck of it.

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Smart one, maybe you should be our GM, you have some real bright ideas.......get rid of our best player. This season is having some real down effects on you.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;609914]Throw in Betts in the package (a token of appreciation) just for the Heck of it.[/quote]

I like the sound of that

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I'll give you my Cooley when you take him from my cold, dead hands!!!!!

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=47FAN;609871]now doughty and horton?[/quote]

I didn't mean to trade them both.. I'm just saying that we should try and see what their value is.. If we could get like 2nd or 3rd rd for one of them, we probably should go ahead and take it.. We could use the pick to draft OT or C..

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Why a 1st and a 3rd? It's totally arbitrary. We can't trade him to ourselves, so aside from the Skins, the only teams stupid enough to trade a 1st and 3rd for a TE are Dallas and Oakland.

If someone offered that much I'd certainly take it, but it's not ever going to happen so it seems like a wasted discussion. Especially with how enamored Danny and Vinny are with skill players. This line of thinking (trading good vets for multiple picks) is the exact opposite of the way we do business unfortunately.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

would totally do it...goodbye, show your penis in blogs to the texans or wherever you go..love the guy, but we need the picks

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wow alot of fred davis doubters i see, its cool u havent even seen what he can do - when used properly youll see

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Considering that the current cap situation wouldn't allow this until after the season, I would at least consider Cooley for a first and a third at that point. I'm just not sure that price is high enough.

Theoretically, we're getting more than reasonable value for a pro bowl Tight End, but anecdotally seen this type of trade backfire too often to feel comfortable about it. Secondly, any team crazy enough to offer a first and third for a tight end at his developmental prime must be crazy enough to think that we're not using Cooley in an optimal manner. You'd have to at least lend credence to the thought that we could keep him and get more out of him.

So honestly, I don't know how much those two picks would help the rebuilding effort. I'm not a big fan of trading players who have value to the organization for draft choices. I prefer to trade draft choices that have value-added for other draft choices, and to trade players who lack a lot of value to the organization for draft picks.

So while it's definately tempting, I'd say no to Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd. If I could get a first and a second or two firsts though, I'd probably not be able to resist, even given my fears.

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[quote=freddavisbro86;609950]wow alot of fred davis haters i see, its cool u havent even seen what he can do - when used properly youll see hatersss[/quote]

Hi Fred, is that you? Maybe catch the ball when thrown to you. Then we all can see what you can do.

Thanks

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=freddavisbro86;609950]wow alot of fred davis haters i see, its cool u havent even seen what he can do - when used properly youll see hatersss[/quote]
We'll see. Did he run hurdles at USC? You can't predict his future anymore than any of us, hopefully he works out and we utilize him well in that regard, but who knows. Don't sound ignorant throwing the word "haters" around, that's for ghetto TV rappers and corner hustlers, not professional athletes.

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[quote=freddavisbro86;609950]wow alot of fred davis haters i see, its cool u havent even seen what he can do - when used properly youll see hatersss[/quote]

Hey Fred- when running a 5 yard out to pick up a 1st on a 3rd and 4. How about running the route past the 1st yard marker you scared bitch.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Do the same with Portis and Moss and rebuild the whole thing.

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Tough question. My head says we need those picks, but it also says Cooley is one of our most productive guys on the offense (despite not catching a pass last week.) My heart says there is no way I would ever give up Chris Cooley as I think he is the closest to being a core Redskin as you can get.

Interesting that you mentioned the tight ends from Gibbs I. Don Warren and Clint Didier were solid players, with Clint being more of a pass receiving tight end than Don Warren. I don't believe I could compare them to Fred Davis or Todd Yoder. The verdict is still out for Fred Davis, but there is a large drop off of talent after Chris Cooley.

If I knew beyond a shadow of doubt that the 'skins were getting solid players with those picks, then I'd probably, painfully say go through it. But, I would rather keep Cooley and build the offensive up around him. Get rid of this stupid WCO.

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If there is a GM more aweful than Vinny that would consider this of giving 1st and 3rd to us, absolutely. Face it, the offense is gonna be in a major rebuilding mode beginning next year (or it should be). 1st and 3rd would work wonders and Cooley deserves a better team to play for.

We will have a coach next year with an established offensive resume. We will have a new quarterback. We will have at least 2 new starting O-linemen(we need 3). We need a new running back. God, I hate to say it, but we need a new reciever. Cooley isnt going to take this team to the playoffs, TEs never do. So if someone is stupid enough to even give us a 1st, id take it.

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If there was some organization that wished to make that offer I'd take it in a heart beat. I imagine casual fans would have a huge problem with it. Loosing a face of the franchise.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

If there weren't any cap ramifications, I'd trade Portis.

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Retarded thread. Why in the hell would we trade by far our best offensive player for draft picks? Makes no damn sense.

Now if you say we should Carlos Roger, Santana Moss or Laron Landry....then we're talking. But Cooley? Hell no.

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1st and a 3rd, YES id do it. Thats 2 number 1's we can use on Olinemen and then we can get CP's replacement in the 2nd.or in the late first depending on who is available.

its not like he is helping us now anyways with our QB's getting pushed around in the pocket.

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I would do it in a [COLOR="black"]heartbeat[/COLOR]. [COLOR="black"]What good is a pro-bowl TE if he just FREAKING BLOCKS[/COLOR]!! We need an O-line (LT) MUCH MORE than a TE. In fact, he's a liability blocking anyway. Think about this: our o-line scored -4 points over the last weeks, and Cooley: 0 points. Plus, we drafted his back-up.

I say also trade away Moss, Portis, and Carter - if we get good value for any of them. As I said in another thread - they're old and their value peaks this year. Sure, we dismantle our team - but honestly can our offense get any WORSE?? We scored SIX POINTS on the league's WORST defense.

Instead [B][COLOR="black"]We NEED to replace our O-line[/COLOR][/B]. Good LT's are first rounders. We also need an RT, which could be a later draft or FA. Any RB and QB looks great with a good O-line.

Unfortunately, I be we'll trade for a free agent LT and trade away our 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks to someone like the Patriots. Sigh.

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[quote=Ruhskins;611078]If there weren't any cap ramifications, I'd trade Portis.[/quote]

For now, I would bench him and start Mason. We have nothing to lose, while we are at it cut ARE and have Mitchell play.

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Nobody would give us a 1 and 3 for Cooley.
But if a team did offer it, you take it. We are not one or two players away from being a superbowl team. We are one of the worst and oldest teams in the NFL.
This team needs a lot to be good again. Those extra picks would go along way to rebuilding this team.

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[quote=Defensewins;611133]Nobody would give us a 1 and 3 for Cooley.
[B]But if a team did offer it, you take it.[/B] We are not one or two players away from being a superbowl team. We are one of the worst and oldest teams in the NFL.
This team needs a lot to be good again. Those extra picks would go along way to rebuilding this team.[/quote]Why do you take that deal outright? Given the dysfunction of our FO, we would likely blow both picks, and be left without our most consistent offensive player. As I said earlier in the thread, Fred Davis could learn a lot watching Cooley get yards after the catch today by RUNNING THROUGH TACKLES instead of by leaving his feet, which seems to be Davis's favorite move the few chances he gets.

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Chris Cooley is the only player on the offense I'd say no to. If I was Vinny I'd call every team tonight with a fire sale offer. Everyone else must go!
I would be very surprised if more than 2 or 3 of this year's opening day starters are starters here next year anyway so you might as well get something for them.
A 4th for Betts, Kelly or Thomas? A 3rd for any of the guys who started on the OLine this week? A 2nd for Portis or Moss? A 3rd for JC?
Let's try and give the next coach as many picks as possible (to go along with that top 4 first round selection).

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i think the playcalling change may help we'll have to see- i think the eagles coming in next would be great to get start for them turning this thing around- raiders got the best of the eagles we'll see

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Cooley is the only player on offense that we should not Trade. He was a 3rd pick that is a throw back player who brings his game every Sunday. Our front office can not be trusted to draft the best players with the picks so why get picks if they might blow it. If VC goes and they bring in a proven GM then talk to me later. Cooley untouchable every other offense player lets talk.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;609788]Absolutely not. Then what, stuck with Fred Davis and Yoder?

You have to replace him with something. He's not only our Pro-Bowl TE, but a premier WR.

To bad we don't have something in Davis of worth so we could send him packing. It appears that #2 pick is a useless tit.[/quote]

I agree 100%

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=Redskins_P;611090]Retarded thread. Why in the hell would we trade by far our best offensive player for draft picks? Makes no damn sense.

Now if you say we should Carlos Roger, Santana Moss or Laron Landry....then we're talking. But Cooley? Hell no.[/quote]

Teams who are rebuilding traditionally trade their top end talent.

What use is Cooley's Pro Bowl talents if we're just going to languish the next two years or so.

Rebuilding teams need to get where they are going in a hurry and they do that on the foundation of high draft picks. Tony Gonzalez has done much more at TE in this league than Cooley and he was traded from a rebuilding team to the Falcons. If he can get traded then Cooley certainly can.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Cooley is still young enough to be part of a rebuilding process. Gonzalez is on the last legs of his career, kind of a different situation.

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Chris Cooley is about the last thing I have left on this team that I enjoy, if they trade him I don't know it would be hard to be a Redskins fan.

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I think I'd make the move if getting those pick provided the last bits that put the team over the top. However this team is so far from the top that I dont see it as doing much at this point.