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[quote=Zorny;611474]Zorn, Cerrato's fates apparently are intertwined

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Zorn isn't a man anymore. He's a eunuch.

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"We keep fighting, because we are Redskins". I still like him as coach, but I don't see any future with him. He's a humble guy, and I really think he's sincere when taking the blame. I hope that a new play caller will help, but I don't see us putting up 20+ points a game just off that move. We've got the same damn people in the offense that we had to start last season as far as key players go, we are better than this. HTTR, HTTR, and F@ck Dallas.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;611468]It is an insult to call Zorn's offense a West Coast offense. How about Mickey Mouse offense? Or maybe Least Coast Offense?[/quote]

Hard to disagree with the characterization, but my point simply is that we cannot at this point try to convert from an alleged WCO offense to something else -- an offense and playbook takes a lot of time to install -- and Buges isn't a WCO guy. Hard to imagine him calling plays in this system, although given the poor decision-making that has plagued this organization for a decade, nothing would surprise me.

With what I saw today, it is entirely possible that we do not win a game for the rest of this season. This strikes me as the worst Redskins team in my lifetime -- more than 40 years now. It's painful to watch. Today's debacle was on par with the famous body bag game v. Philly.

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hey, if VC goes im all for it. bring back Charlie

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[quote=Zorny;611474]Zorn, Cerrato's fates apparently are intertwined

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Don't tease me. I almost thought this would be a Rick Roll. I would love for this to be accurate.

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[quote=Zorny;611474]Zorn, Cerrato's fates apparently are intertwined

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Oh man i feel like this is a wet dream lol. If this turned out to be true I'd be so happy. Could you imagine, an actual GM type doing his thing here in DC? A truly structured front office, a GM who finds the coach best suited for a long run, who could build a competent offensive line and then surround it with good skill position players such as an elite quarterback with good wide receivers, not through free agency by giving out huge contracts to guys who don't have many good seasons left, but through good drafting and then filling in a need here or there through free agency? That would be amazing.

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[quote=mooby;611500]Oh man i feel like this is a wet dream lol. If this turned out to be true I'd be so happy. Could you imagine, an actual GM type doing his thing here in DC? A truly structured front office, a GM who finds the coach best suited for a long run, who could build a competent offensive line and then surround it with good skill position players such as an elite quarterback with good wide receivers, not through free agency by giving out huge contracts to guys who don't have many good seasons left, but through good drafting and then filling in a need here or there through free agency? That would be amazing.[/quote]

If this it what it takes, FAIL!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;611484]Zorn isn't a man anymore. He's a eunuch.[/quote]

I am surprised that Zorn let it go this far. I hope that, at the next step in this process, Zorn regrows his balls and tells Danny to kiss his behind.

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DS hires J. Zorn to be the teams OC , right ? Then hires JZ as the head coach , now does not want his choice for OC to call plays ? Dan , hire a REAL GM .

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;611501]If this it what it takes, FAIL![/quote]

It is what it is. Even if the team ends up with a horrible record this year in the 4-12 range, I still don't think Dan would change his ways. His stubbornness over the years has convinced me it'd take 30 years of futility before the Danny might get a clue about the struggles of this franchise.

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I love how Zorn is playing this. Instead of resigning he is forcing Snyder to make the move. Best play call since you have been here, Zorn!

Did anyone notice that the 3 stooges are back on network television? Danny, Vinny and Jimmy can be seen every Sunday at 1:00!

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[quote=Zorny;611474]Zorn, Cerrato's fates apparently are intertwined

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This has been the rumor since the day Zorn was named head coach. We need to see it to believe it

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After the season is over.

Step One: Fire Vinny and Zorn
Step Two: Hire GM, see Chris Polian, Eric DeCosta, Rick Spielman, Mike Holmgren....
Step Three: Let new GM hire Head Coach. Preferably Offensive minded and someone with outstanding motivational skills, and who is not afraid of getting after poor performers or prima donnas.
Step Four: GM and Head Coach shall hire Offensive Co-ordinator, that will call plays. Now is the time to decide if the WCO is what should be ran or if more of a Coryell style is what is needed.
Step Five: Remove Cancer from the roster.
Step Six: Rebuild Offensive line with the best free agents under 27 years old and prepare to draft rookie QB for grooming.
Step Seven: Draft for need and be willing to trade down to grab players at their best value.
Step Eight: The most important step, Dan Snyder just sign the checks.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;611416][B]I am so glad I did not purchase Sunday Ticket this year. [/B]I would have been even more pissed off knowing I spent money to watch this team implode.
Get Cerrato out of DC!!!!![/quote]

Ya know whats funny. I figured that FOX had major issue's getting the game to us every weekend and was pleasantly supprised to see another network taking over this weekend......only to find ...they had technical difficulties.

What the hell is going on with getting any Redskins games to the area? Does it paralell the teams performance? If the team gets better the networks have less problems? but I have to agree, I would be pissed right now if I had purchased it also.

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On a side note can we take away the HCing duties also since he has so much on his plate?

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[quote=SmootSmack;611511]This has been the rumor since the day Zorn was named head coach. We need to see it to believe it[/quote]

I feel bad for the guy, really.. Even though he's not great at play callings, obviously but he's good humble guy.. I truly hope he will grow from this..

Here's real one: [url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81382299&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Zorn gives up offensive play-calling duties for struggling 'Skins[/url]

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Just got a text from Washington Post saying Sherm Lewis will take over as the teams playcaller. Wow. Bingo.

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[quote=GMScud;611538]Just got a text from Washington Post saying Sherm Lewis will take over as the teams playcaller. Wow. Bingo.[/quote]

He's the most qualified on this staff.

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[quote=GMScud;611538]Just got a text from Washington Post saying Sherm Lewis will take over as the teams playcaller. Wow. Bingo.[/quote]

[url=http://twitter.com/RedskinsInsider]Redskins Insider (RedskinsInsider) on Twitter[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;611538]Just got a text from Washington Post saying Sherm Lewis will take over as the teams playcaller. Wow. Bingo.[/quote]


so we pay sherman smith to do what exactly?

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do weekly interviews with the csn staff that give us absolutely no insight.

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lol, I wonder if we will have enough money to pay our top draft pick.

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[quote=Meks;611554]so we pay sherman smith to do what exactly?[/quote]

Sit up in the booth and take pictures and fax them down to the sideline. LOL.

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Anybody read the article on phat Al's actions after the game? I wonder who he called out?

I'm sure it will be discussed at length over the next 6 days but there are some positives around the bend.

1) A change, any change, when things are totally in the toilet is probably good.
2) Nobody has a scouting report on Sherm Lewis so he should bring a bit of a surprise element to the offense if it will ever have one this season.
3) Albert has spoken! I think the whole team will respond cuz this guy has obviously done his job here, clogging the middle so the rest can get to the QB, and now he's calling others out. Who is going to get up in his face? I think the oline probably got a tongue lashing so expect them to come out swingin next week.

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[quote=Zorny;611474]Zorn, Cerrato's fates apparently are intertwined

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Don't toy with me, that means that the Redskins aren't dead... just on life support for the time being. I so hope this to be true.

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[quote=The Goat;611562]Anybody read the article on phat Al's actions after the game? I wonder who he called out?

I'm sure it will be discussed at length over the next 6 days but there are some positives around the bend.

1) A change, any change, when things are totally in the toilet is probably good.
2) Nobody has a scouting report on Sherm Lewis so he should bring a bit of a surprise element to the offense if it will ever have one this season.
3) Albert has spoken! I think the whole team will respond cuz this guy has obviously done his job here, clogging the middle so the rest can get to the QB, and now he's calling others out. Who is going to get up in his face? I think the oline probably got a tongue lashing so expect them to come out swingin next week.[/quote]

Yeah AH let them have it. 1-3 good points.

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[quote=SBXVII;611549][URL="http://twitter.com/RedskinsInsider"]Redskins Insider (RedskinsInsider) on Twitter[/URL][/quote]
DAMN I CALLED IT

Next Call..Collins opens up Collins/moss School of Flight next monday

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[quote=The Goat;611562]Anybody read the article on phat Al's actions after the game? I wonder who he called out?

I'm sure it will be discussed at length over the next 6 days but there are some positives around the bend.

1) A change, any change, when things are totally in the toilet is probably good.
2) Nobody has a scouting report on Sherm Lewis so he should bring a bit of a surprise element to the offense if it will ever have one this season.
3) Albert has spoken! I think the whole team will respond cuz this guy has obviously done his job here, clogging the middle so the rest can get to the QB, and now he's calling others out. Who is going to get up in his face? I think the oline probably got a tongue lashing so expect them to come out swingin next week.[/quote]

What did Albert say??

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Well Sherman Lewis was playing BINGO with the seniors and has been out of the NFL since 2004 , but he could not do any worse than Zorn has. WTF do we have to lose the season is all but done. Its time to play for PRIDE.

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our team and team structure is SO garbage its almost funny......

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[quote=skins89moss;611596]Well Sherman Lewis was playing BINGO with the seniors and has been out of the NFL since 2004 , but he could not do any worse than Zorn has. WTF do we have to lose the season is all but done. Its time to play for PRIDE.[/quote]
He's called plays more recently than Zorn.

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[quote=SmootSmack;611419]This Hue Jackson all over again?

I just hope Sherman Smith isn't the one calling plays now.[/quote]
Any particular reason?

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Sherm Lewis is the new Redskins play caller
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2009 7:09 AM ET
The wake of the Washington Redskins' embarrassing home loss to the previously 0-5 Chiefs became even more bizarre than anyone could have imagined.

Conventional wisdom was that, if the 'Skins got scalped by the Chiefs, coach Jim Zorn would load his personal effects into a box and make the slow, final walk to the parking lot.

But instead Zorn has agreed to a second public emasculation this month, giving up one of his main functions -- calling the plays on offense -- in order to keep his job.

With that news came the bizarre word that Zorn and executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato would be putting their heads together to decide on the new play-caller on Monday morning.

The development created a sense of drama where there should have been none. I mean, who was it going to be? Coach Janky Spanky?

Sherm Lewis was the obvious selection, primarily because there was no other alternative.

We're told that it is Lewis, and Rick Maese has reported the same thing.

And so a guy who made his name in Green Bay as an offensive coordinator who deferred the play-calling function to Mike Holmgren will now be charged with the task of saving the asses of Zorn and, as we're hearing it, Cerrato, too.

Good luck with all that.

The only remaining question is whether the new arrangement gets one week or longer to save Zorn's job.

And, given the current disarray, whether the Redskins will be able to win any more games this year.

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I TOLD YOU FOLKS SKINS WERE GOING TO LOOSE TO CHIEFS. Hopefully you folks woke up including Matty7!

Redskin reform:

* Terminate QB & RB.
* Terminate Coach & staff.
* Terminate GM & front office idiots.
* No more paying 1 billion dollar for a player.

PS- Also terminate that bingo guy.

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Um thanks for the call out but I predicted a Skins loss this week.

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Regardless of who calls the plays we're looking at a team stuck in low gear, and watching them play is comparable to serving a life sentence without parole. No matter how well you behave you're never going to get out.

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[quote=Longtimefan;611646]Regardless of who calls the plays we're looking at a team stuck in low gear, and watching them play is comparable to serving a life sentence without parole. No matter how well you behave you're never going to get out.[/quote]

I hope this isn't the case. I believe that a creative playcaller (not with gadgets, but one who calls the game and not his playsheet) can make a huge turnaround in this offense. The only problem of course is we wasted our soft schedule to prove that Zorn can't do it.

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[quote=tryfuhl;611607]Any particular reason?[/quote]

What has Sherman Smith done to be the playcaller?

But it seems as though it will be Lewis anyway, no surprise. I'm curious as to what Zorn will do now. They want him to be more of a "head coach" and work with the QB they say. But at this point, what work is there to do with the QB? I mean you just benched him, although he should start next week, and you've been working with him for well over a year now. Often, it seems, at the expense of other areas of the team. Unless working with the QB means Colt Brennan/Andre Woodson? As for being more of a "head coach" I suspect that means making key decisions such as "punt or go for it on 4th down", but do we trust Zorn to make those decisions? I don't know

I of course want us to win next week, but it's probably just time to put Zorn out of his complete misery.

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[quote=SmootSmack;611654]What has Sherman Smith done to be the playcaller?

But it seems as though it will be Lewis anyway, no surprise. I'm curious as to what Zorn will do now. They want him to be more of a "head coach" and work with the QB they say. But at this point, what work is there to do with the QB? I mean you just benched him, although he should start next week, and you've been working with him for well over a year now. Often, it seems, at the expense of other areas of the team. Unless working with the QB means Colt Brennan/Andre Woodson? As for being more of a "head coach" I suspect that means making key decisions such as "punt or go for it on 4th down", but do we trust Zorn to make those decisions? I don't know

I of course want us to win next week, but it's probably just time to put Zorn out of his complete misery.[/quote]

LOL it's a total mess right now isn't it?

An outsider who's been with the team for a few weeks is now calling the plays?? It's cluster F time at Redskins Park.

And it's only getting worse. We're going to get TROUNCED against some of these heavyweight teams ahead on the schedule.

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this reminds me Washington Rams