Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

collins is the better choice for this game over campbell imo. give collins first team reps all week and hed do better than throwing him in at half time. campbell has been in there the whole season and no results. not saying its all his fault, but give collins first team reps and see what he can do in the west coast offense.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

I think the best thing we can hope for is for Campbell to get motivated and be the catalyst for the offense to get going. I believe if Campbell comes out and puts everything out on the line, the whole offense will do the same - including the offensive linemen.

If not, it's going to be more of the same.

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[quote=warriorzpath;612681]I think the best thing we can hope for is for Campbell to get motivated and be the catalyst for the offense to get going. I believe if Campbell comes out and puts everything out on the line, the whole offense will do the same - including the offensive linemen.

If not, it's going to be more of the same.[/quote]

Its just not in Campbell's nature to come out and lay it on the line. If it was he'd have done it in game 1 when, based on the off season, he knew where he stood in the organization. For some reason JC plays tight and often takes a half to settle down. Unfortunately in the NFL you cant fritter away a half waiting for your QB to stop being nervous.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;612655]Cooley... and Moss.. And... And? Anyone? [B]Buehler[/B]?[/quote]

Movie reference failure.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=irish;612686][B]Its just not in Campbell's nature to come out and lay it on the line[/B]. If it was he'd have done it in game 1 when, based on the off season, he knew where he stood in the organization. For some reason JC plays tight and often takes a half to settle down. Unfortunately in the NFL you cant fritter away a half waiting for your QB to stop being nervous.[/quote]

Yeah, I don't know what it is about him. There's got to be something that can light a fire under his ass and get him going.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

Zorn just said on the Jim Zorn show (on espn980) that Campbell will start Monday.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

Redskin Insider:

Posted at 12:39 PM ET, 10/20/2009
Zorn: 'I'm going right back to Campbell'

Jim Zorn officially put the matter of who will be the Redskins' starting quarterback Monday to rest. "I'm going to go right back to Jason Campbell," he said on his radio show on ESPN980.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

I'm assuming Zorn won't yank him again if we're getting pummeled by halftime?

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;612723]I'm assuming Zorn won't yank him again if we're getting pummeled by halftime?[/quote]

Don't assume

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=irish;612686]Its just not in Campbell's nature to come out and lay it on the line. If it was he'd have done it in game 1 when, based on the off season, he knew where he stood in the organization. For some reason JC plays tight and often takes a half to settle down. Unfortunately in the NFL you cant fritter away a half waiting for your QB to stop being nervous.[/quote]Unless you're a team like the Steelers. Then, you just have gritty and clutch play from the QB position.

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[quote=44Deezel;612525]I agree. Playing hard is the key, because the other 31 teams don't really try all that much. We just need to play HARD! Why didn't we think of that sooner? Coach hard, play hard... it's so simple. Talent, Competence and brains be damned. Just go HARD and everything will be alright![/quote]

Agreed, we have absolutely no talent on our team. What was I thinking? I apologize, I should have thought before I said anything. Its not like we are the fifth ranked defense in the league right now. Its not like Clinton Portis is a top ten back in the league right now

I'm such an idiot. How dare I try to get people to rally behind the team instead of wearing bags on their heads? How dare a team have a bad year? Don't they know they have to be on top of their game and if they lose four games then the season is a loss.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

Catchy Handle there Portimus.

I LOL'd for a good minute.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;612723]I'm assuming Zorn won't yank him again if we're getting pummeled by halftime?[/quote]

Whose decision will it be? Will Lewis be in the locker room at half? Also, if Zorn's spiteful - he could have the attitude "I had to do it with Campbell, you have to do it with Campbell"

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Didn't want to start a new thread on this, but here you go

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/coachspeak]CoachSpeak: Brian Billick and NFL coaches talk NFL Football - A Lunch with Benefits video series on FOXSports.com - FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

I think it's the right call to stick with Campbell. I know I'm a JC supporter so some will say 'it figures' but continuing to play Campbell accomplishes a few things.

It gives us the chance to continue to evaluate him for us and his potential value. The fact remains, if there's not a new CBA or an extension of the existing one, he's going to be a RFA this offseason so we need to determine his open market value. For some of you that think he's a backup, then maybe a 4th or 5th round tender. For those that think he could be an effective starter, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round tender. He's a mid level starting QB, probably in the David Garrard/Matt Cassell category but you know what, they both got paid by someone!

Ridiculous as some may claim it to be, he's still got the potential to be a good QB for us. He didn't become 'terrible' until the Tampa game and even then he led us back to victory. I'd love nothing more than to see him look like he's having fun on the football field. He looks miserable when he's out there. Thinking too much, reacting too little, being a robot. I hope he does exactly what he said on Lavar's show and comes out slinging.

He still gives us the best chance to win. While Collins had ONE pretty pass he also played like a backup. Threw 3 passes that got batted at the line, fumbled, mishandled a shotgun snap, showed zero mobility, etc. He is what he is. There's a reason he's been a backup his entire career! Why some fans think he's a gold nugget that nobody has yet uncovered is baffling to me.

As a franchise, there's ZERO benefit to leaving Campbell on the bench.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=Paintrain;612816]I think it's the right call to stick with Campbell. I know I'm a JC supporter so some will say 'it figures' but continuing to play Campbell accomplishes a few things.

It gives us the chance to continue to evaluate him for us and his potential value. The fact remains, if there's not a new CBA or an extension of the existing one, he's going to be a RFA this offseason so we need to determine his open market value. For some of you that think he's a backup, then maybe a 4th or 5th round tender. For those that think he could be an effective starter, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round tender. He's a mid level starting QB, probably in the David Garrard/Matt Cassell category but you know what, they both got paid by someone!

Ridiculous as some may claim it to be, he's still got the potential to be a good QB for us. He didn't become 'terrible' until the Tampa game and even then he led us back to victory. I'd love nothing more than to see him look like he's having fun on the football field. He looks miserable when he's out there. Thinking too much, reacting too little, being a robot. I hope he does exactly what he said on Lavar's show and comes out slinging.

He still gives us the best chance to win. While Collins had ONE pretty pass he also played like a backup. Threw 3 passes that got batted at the line, fumbled, mishandled a shotgun snap, showed zero mobility, etc. He is what he is. There's a reason he's been a backup his entire career! Why some fans think he's a gold nugget that nobody has yet uncovered is baffling to me.

As a franchise, there's ZERO benefit to leaving Campbell on the bench.[/quote]

Collins is horrible. I'm kinda glad he played the way he did so that no one would be saying that Collins is the answer.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=Paintrain;612816]I think it's the right call to stick with Campbell. I know I'm a JC supporter so some will say 'it figures' but continuing to play Campbell accomplishes a few things.

It gives us the chance to continue to evaluate him for us and his potential value. The fact remains, if there's not a new CBA or an extension of the existing one, he's going to be a RFA this offseason so we need to determine his open market value. For some of you that think he's a backup, then maybe a 4th or 5th round tender. For those that think he could be an effective starter, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round tender. He's a mid level starting QB, probably in the David Garrard/Matt Cassell category but you know what, they both got paid by someone!

Ridiculous as some may claim it to be, he's still got the potential to be a good QB for us. He didn't become 'terrible' until the Tampa game and even then he led us back to victory. I'd love nothing more than to see him look like he's having fun on the football field. He looks miserable when he's out there. Thinking too much, reacting too little, being a robot. I hope he does exactly what he said on Lavar's show and comes out slinging.

He still gives us the best chance to win. While Collins had ONE pretty pass he also played like a backup. Threw 3 passes that got batted at the line, fumbled, mishandled a shotgun snap, showed zero mobility, etc. He is what he is. There's a reason he's been a backup his entire career! Why some fans think he's a gold nugget that nobody has yet uncovered is baffling to me.

As a franchise, there's ZERO benefit to leaving Campbell on the bench.[/quote]

All good points. However, I would counter that with if he is an RFA next off-season and we could trade him maybe it's best to leave on the bench before his value drops anymore

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[quote=SmootSmack;612807]Didn't want to start a new thread on this, but here you go

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/coachspeak]CoachSpeak: Brian Billick and NFL coaches talk NFL Football - A Lunch with Benefits video series on FOXSports.com - FOX Sports on MSN[/url][/quote]

Zorn is killing me with the whole "I like calling plays. I have confidence and I am good at it!." Dude, no you're not. I am not saying this was completely handled correctly or that it is all on the play-calling but the only thing he's worse at than play calling is his clock management. He simply doesn't get it.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=Paintrain;612816]I think it's the right call to stick with Campbell. I know I'm a JC supporter so some will say 'it figures' but continuing to play Campbell accomplishes a few things.

It gives us the chance to continue to evaluate him for us and his potential value. The fact remains, if there's not a new CBA or an extension of the existing one, he's going to be a RFA this offseason so we need to determine his open market value. For some of you that think he's a backup, then maybe a 4th or 5th round tender. For those that think he could be an effective starter, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round tender. He's a mid level starting QB, probably in the David Garrard/Matt Cassell category but you know what, they both got paid by someone!

Ridiculous as some may claim it to be, he's still got the potential to be a good QB for us. He didn't become 'terrible' until the Tampa game and even then he led us back to victory. I'd love nothing more than to see him look like he's having fun on the football field. He looks miserable when he's out there. Thinking too much, reacting too little, being a robot. I hope he does exactly what he said on Lavar's show and comes out slinging.

He still gives us the best chance to win. While Collins had ONE pretty pass he also played like a backup. Threw 3 passes that got batted at the line, fumbled, mishandled a shotgun snap, showed zero mobility, etc. He is what he is. There's a reason he's been a backup his entire career! Why some fans think he's a gold nugget that nobody has yet uncovered is baffling to me.

[B]As a franchise, there's ZERO benefit to leaving Campbell on the bench.[/quote][/B]

Sorry man but at 2-4 vs some of the worst teams in the league there hasnt been much benefit to him being on the field either. Not all his fault but he has missed wrs that were in position to make plays. hence the benching

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=Big C;612676]collins is the better choice for this game over campbell imo. give collins first team reps all week and hed do better than throwing him in at half time. campbell has been in there the whole season and no results. not saying its all his fault, but give collins first team reps and see what he can do in the west coast offense.[/quote]

You obviously didn't pay attention at all on Sunday or in the preseason.

Collins is just a filled roster spot, not a player we want on the field.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;612723]I'm assuming Zorn won't yank him again if we're getting pummeled by halftime?[/quote]

Zorn is not calling plays but he does have "veto power".

:pffff:

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;612827][/B]

Sorry man but at 2-4 vs some of the worst teams in the league there hasnt been much benefit to him being on the field either. Not all his fault but he has missed wrs that were in position to make plays. hence the benching[/quote]

I am not disagreeing with the benching last week, simply saying it's the right move to put him back in as the starter next week.

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[quote=SmootSmack;612807]Didn't want to start a new thread on this, but here you go

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/coachspeak]CoachSpeak: Brian Billick and NFL coaches talk NFL Football - A Lunch with Benefits video series on FOXSports.com - FOX Sports on MSN[/url][/quote]

I don't know if it is the shows policy or not, but I have never seen Zorn give an interview without some sort of Skins colors or logo. I am sure I am reading into that. On the q&a's, thought they were very interesting especially when Zorn was talking about losing the playcalling.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

I don't know what to say. I'm tired of watching JC play Brunell ball.

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[quote=Paintrain;612824]Zorn is killing me with the whole "I like calling plays. I have confidence and I am good at it!." Dude, no you're not. I am not saying this was completely handled correctly or that it is all on the play-calling but the only thing he's worse at than play calling is his clock management. He simply doesn't get it.[/quote]

Agreed. Zorn doesn't understand his play calling limitations.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=Paintrain;612824]Zorn is killing me with the whole "I like calling plays. I have confidence and I am good at it!." Dude, no you're not. I am not saying this was completely handled correctly or that it is all on the play-calling but the only thing he's worse at than play calling is his clock management. He simply doesn't get it.[/quote]
Imagine how many timeouts we're going to burn as Lewis may call things wrong, Zorn might be like wtf... etc

I hope Lewis can get over that terminology hurdle quickly if he hasn't already

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[quote=skinsfan69;612845]I don't know what to say. I'm tired of watching JC play Brunell ball.[/quote]I wish three years could progress this team somewhat.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;612581]First, [B]all Head Coaches don't call their own plays. They manage the team which is what Zorn is still doing.[/B] [B]He's still the HC[/B], just not the HC;OC; QB's Coach; Cheerleader; Janitor; Yoga Instructor; Lifeguard; etc...

Second, Jason isn't young anymore. 5 years in the league, 3 1/2 as a starting QB. You contract is up after this year. You're a vet homie. However, it says alot when we still talk about him like he's in his first year.

Once he starts calling his own protections then we can start tipping suds.[/quote]

First, I don't think it's the same for a coach to not call the plays than the embarrassment a coach must go through by getting his playcalling rights taken away (we all know it's really because of his inadequacy in this area). The players will probably lose even more respect for the guy (whatever respect he had left) so when I say "neutered" coach it's not just because he doesn't call the plays... Just because he's the HC doesn't give him much respect on this team no matter if he still "manages" this team or not.

Second, I agree I really wasn't thinking "NFL young" I was thinking "27 years old young" and yeah sometimes I forget he's not a "young QB" when I watch him play :(

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

Jim Zorn you got your money now just call it a day. We and you know that you are finished as the coach of the Redskins. Synder is giving VC 1 last shot at turning the season around before he fires you. Because when you go VC will surely be right behind you. We need JC to play better from here on out because we need stability at the QB position. We dont have time to be looking for the next Franchise QB, we need O-Line help.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

While Jason Campbell was named the starter this week, sources confirmed to Jason Reid of the Washington Post that Zorn has told backup Todd Collins to "be ready" on Monday night. This would seem to indicate that Zorn will be more than happy to bench Campbell if the QB struggles early on.

Saw this on ESPN, here we go again.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;613511]While Jason Campbell was named the starter this week, sources confirmed to Jason Reid of the Washington Post that Zorn has told backup Todd Collins to "be ready" on Monday night. This would seem to indicate that Zorn will be more than happy to bench Campbell if the QB struggles early on.

Saw this on ESPN, here we go again.[/quote]

Yeah I saw that on PFT
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/21/todd-collins-told-to-be-ready/]Todd Collins told to "be ready" | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

When Jason fumbles away the first half, we need to bring Colt Brennan in and start over! Brennan may be the future, at least unless we can draft Tebow or Bradford.

Remember, Jason Campbell is a MILLIONAIRE. Set for life. No sympathy here.

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[quote=Josh Baker;613749]When Jason fumbles away the first half, we need to bring Colt Brennan in and start over! Brennan may be the future, at least unless we can draft Tebow or Bradford.

Remember, Jason Campbell is a MILLIONAIRE. Set for life. No sympathy here.[/quote]

so you think colt will have good mobility on crutches? your posts are not very intelligent

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

[quote=DieHardSkinsFan777;613755]so you think colt will have good mobility on crutches? your posts are not very intelligent[/quote]

Favorite quotation from that Sack the Skins site?

[quote]
[B][I]It’s over,[/I][/B][I] [/I]my relationship with my beloved Washington Redskins. The team I loved is no longer in DC. No longer in the NFL. No longer ... at all.

[B]In fact, I am more of a real Redskin than ANY current person with the team, player or front office, etc.[/B]
[/quote]

That made me smile. Nothing like a little entertainment in a season of despair.

Re: Mosely: Campbell to start
 

Didn't see this anywhere yet so I thought I would put it here.....interesting read.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81397a02&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Redskins' Campbell in tough spot following coaching shakeup[/url]