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[quote=Mattyk72;612923]Not at LT.

And if Jones isn't any better than Heyer, we really have problems.[/quote]

I think we do. Here's a funny article from back in August.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9893426/Free-agent-T-Levi-Jones-set-to-benefit-from-injuries]Free-agent T Levi Jones set to benefit from injuries - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=dblanch66;612925]we really have problems[/quote]

So you don't think he's an upgrade over Heyer at LT?

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Mattyk72;612927]So you don't think he's an upgrade over Heyer at LT?[/quote]

I don't understand how picking up Jones is not better than going with the status quo.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

Why the hell did we cut a RB just to sign another, ugh

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;612909][B]Heyer was playing out of position on Sunday. The plays he got beaten on were technique issues.[/B] If he's playing where he belongs at RT, those plays don't happen. Any bad plays he made, I blame the coaching staff for.

I think the play with Vrabel was against MW. And he absolutely whiffed on that play. Never put your head down, or that's what happens.[/quote]

According to Jim Zorn, LT is his "natural" position.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

Oh boy...this is bad...but...don't expect Jones to play this week..no way...good thing there is a bye. Ganther runs like Rock a bit...not many moves..depth only.
I guess Vinny is bailing on the scat back idea and realizes the only way to run now is straight through the line...either that or someone else has noticed that.

If you got a crappy line...you need to spend ZERO time behind the line of scrimmage.
Another note is Mason absolutely SUCKED at pass protection and alridge was way too small to pick up a blitz...that makes them unusable...maybe this new kid can block or something.

Vinny had to do something...his job is on the line...I wouldn't be suprised if he trades a midrounder for another olineman...heck...he may not be here to deal with the missing pick if he doesn't do something more...he needs to move now to get value out of the bye...ideally a young primary backup on a West coast team....either that or an OLB...but due to pressure on offense from the media, he would never do that.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

This is just another FU by Vinny & Snyder and I'm sure Zorn also screwed up something here also.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=tryfuhl;612931]Why the hell did we cut a RB just to sign another, ugh[/quote]

Correction, we cut 2 running backs to sign one! Net result is -1 running backs.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=firstdown;612934]This is just another FU by Vinny & Snyder and I'm sure Zorn also screwed up something here also.[/quote]

Are you one of those fans who will just rip and complain at ANYTHING the Redskins do? Geez, lol. For MONTHS all I read on here is whining about the offensive line. We go out and sign an offensive lineman, in Week 6 when there's not much-if anything-out there and 'This is another FU'. I don't get the point of bitching just to bitch. Are you that miserable as a fan dude? Find something else to occupy your time then.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

Ganther may have been picked up because he's a better blocker than Mason or Aldridge... i don't know that for a fact - i just assume he has to be, because theyre both awful. Considering how weak our O-line is, it makes sense to have RBs on the roster who can block... this could free up Cooley to chip block and run more routes instead of staying behind to block so much. Of course, Ganther will probably not see much playing time... just like the guys he's replacing.

Levi Jones may not be worthy of starting on a roster in 31 other NFL teams, but he's probably an upgrade over BOTH Heyer and Williams. Unless he's hurt, i expect him to be our starting LT within a couple weeks. Heyer will move back to the right side and Williams will move back to backup duty.

Ultimately, both these moves are solid in my book. We cut two of the FIVE running backs on our roster for a better running back and starting left tackle. These guys come to us free. We didn't trade any 2010 draft picks. Be happy.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612932]According to Jim Zorn, LT is his "natural" position.[/quote]

He naturally sucks at it then. Get him out of the lineup altogether.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;612938]Ganther may have been picked up because he's a better blocker than Mason or Aldridge... i don't know that for a fact - i just assume he has to be, because theyre both awful. Considering how weak our O-line is, it makes sense to have RBs on the roster who can block... this could free up Cooley to chip block and run more routes instead of staying behind to block so much. Of course, Ganther will probably not see much playing time... just like the guys he's replacing.

Levi Jones may not be worthy of starting on a roster in 31 other NFL teams, but he's probably an upgrade over BOTH Heyer and Williams. Unless he's hurt, i expect him to be our starting LT within a couple weeks. Heyer will move back to the right side and Williams will move back to backup duty.[/quote] I wouldn't be so sure that Heyer moves back into his starting spot. If Williams plays decently, I could see him staying there if Jones takes over at LT.

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[quote=Paintrain;612942]I wouldn't be so sure that Heyer moves back into his starting spot. If Williams plays decently, I could see him staying there if Jones takes over at LT.[/quote]

Yeah I can see that too.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Paintrain;612942]I wouldn't be so sure that Heyer moves back into his starting spot. If Williams plays decently, I could see him staying there if Jones takes over at LT.[/quote]

I could see that, as well - i just wasn't too disappointed with Heyers play at RT to begin with. He wasn't great but he wasnt a constant liability either. If Williams continues to play well, he'd easily surpass Heyer - i just havent seen enough from him yet. If just one of these three guys can hold the RT position down for us for another year or two, it would allow us to address other, more pressing, positions on the line in the draft next year.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=skinsnut;612933]Oh boy...this is bad...but...don't expect Jones to play this week..no way...good thing there is a bye. Ganther runs like Rock a bit...not many moves..depth only.
I guess Vinny is bailing on the scat back idea and realizes the only way to run now is straight through the line...either that or someone else has noticed that.

If you got a crappy line...you need to spend ZERO time behind the line of scrimmage.
Another note is Mason absolutely SUCKED at pass protection and alridge was way too small to pick up a blitz...that makes them unusable...maybe this new kid can block or something.

[B]Vinny had to do something...his job is on the line...I wouldn't be suprised if he trades a midrounder for another olineman[/B]...heck...he may not be here to deal with the missing pick if he doesn't do something more...he needs to move now to get value out of the bye...ideally a young primary backup on a West coast team....either that or an OLB...but due to pressure on offense from the media, he would never do that.[/quote]

It is interesting that you should bring that up. Let’s for a moment assume that Vinny’s hide is on the line. Do you believe that Snyder would allow Vinny to trade away a pick if he might not be here to suffer the consequences? I feel that if Vinny is on a short leash that the only way he will have permission to use another Redskins owned pick is if he rights the ship right now with the limited resources that he does have.

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[quote=Mattyk72;612940]He naturally sucks at it then. Get him out of the lineup altogether.[/quote]

Im all for playing Lorenzo Alexander at a tackle position over Heyer.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Mattyk72;612940]He naturally sucks at it then. Get him out of the lineup altogether.[/quote]

Good one!

Realistically though...did any of us think Heyer was a legit starting LT?
I expected him to give up a couple sacks...and he apparantly did.
I didn't watch the game for the first time in years.
I choose to be happy again.

Levi Jones will start after the bye...I guarantee it.
Heyer aint a horrible RT though.
We basically now have 4 Tackles that are very similar...they all kinda SUCK :)
Its just that Levi probably sucks less than the others...assuming he knew the playbook!
(excluding Samuals of course)

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Angry;612949]It is interesting that you should bring that up. Let’s for a moment assume that Vinny’s hide is on the line. Do you believe that Snyder would allow Vinny to trade away a pick if he might not be here to suffer the consequences? I feel that if Vinny is on a short leash that the only way he will have permission to use another Redskins owned pick is if he rights the ship right now with the limited resources that he does have.[/quote]

Based on the past...yes, I believe Snyder would let Vinny do whatever the hell he wants with future picks...excluding top picks.

It doesn't matter anyways, the trade deadline just passed.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612888]Mike Williams showed mee a little bit on Sunday, but i can't say the same for Heyer.[/quote]

Williams played very well on Sunday. The Jones move could send Heyer to the pine. Too bad for the young runners, but the way this teams makes moves they could be brought back again.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612950]Im all for playing Lorenzo Alexander at a tackle position over Heyer.[/quote]

At this point...why not try Renaldo Wynn at OT too.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=wolfeskins;612887]so...is jones going to replace williams or heyer because niether one is playing very good.[/quote]

Both at the same time. He's that good!

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=skinsnut;612960]At this point...why not try Renaldo Wynn at OT too.[/quote]

It's time to try Wynn out for Social Security!

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=12thMan;612914]Heyer is a professional, he could have -- and should have -- played much better than what he did. Vrabel beat him at least three of four times with a straight line to Campbell.[/quote]Heyer certainly should've played better, but the mechanics are completely switched going from RT to LT. I said before the game, and I stand by it 100%, the line should've been left intact with Batiste staying at LT. When you shuffle folks around the line it creates confusion in blitz pick-ups also. If there was only a weakness at LT, that can be minimized with protections and playcalls. You move people around the OL you screw up everything.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612932]According to, LT is his "natural" position.[/quote]Just re-emphasized my point. :)

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=skinsnut;612960]At this point...why not try Renaldo Wynn at OT too.[/quote]
Maybe Haynesworth can take double teams as a Center/Guard.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612932]According to Jim Zorn, LT is his "natural" position.[/quote]

His natural position is on his back with his legs up in the air, like Madonna.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612969]Maybe Haynesworth can take double teams as a Center/Guard.[/quote]

And we can play Orakpo at LB...oh wait we did that :doh:

LOL.

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I hate to be that guy but is there any point trying to salvage this season, I say just put all the young guys in and start giving them some game experience, F*** it, leave Rhinehart in, put D Thomas and Kelly so that if one of them produces we can trade them away for picks. Get some production and trade value out of the players so that we can get some decent picks in return when we trade them.

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Paintrain;612935]Correction, we cut 2 running backs to sign one! Net result is -1 running backs.[/quote]
counted one of them cut to bring in Levi

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Aldridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=WaldSkins;612969]Maybe Haynesworth can take double teams as a Center/Guard.[/quote]


Good idea!
After all...offense scores points...not defense..
I'd also try Orapko at WR...or RB....he'd kick serious butt.

Reed Doughty would be a good WR too..that guy is tough.

And what about Ethan Albright...that guy does nothing...make him block and if Sellers wasn't having his worst year...I'd put him on the line too....just because he gets so pissed!

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[quote=Ruhskins;612971]And we can play Orakpo at LB...oh wait we did that :doh:

LOL.[/quote]

And then we can move Laron to RB. I figured with as many tackles as he misses, he should be able to make a couple people miss himself.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!

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[quote=WaldSkins;612975]And then we can move Laron to RB. I figured with as many tackles as he misses, he should be able to make a couple people miss himself.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!![/quote]

And with our no. 1 offensive weapon a.k.a. Hunter the Punter (possibly) back we'll turn it around. LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;612976]And with our no. 1 offensive weapon a.k.a. Hunter the Punter (possibly) back we'll turn it around. LOL.[/quote]

Can you believe that shit? Hunter and Suisham have more points for us than both of those two WRs?

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;612938]Ganther may have been picked up because he's a better blocker than Mason or Aldridge... i don't know that for a fact - i just assume he has to be, because theyre both awful. Considering how weak our O-line is, it makes sense to have RBs on the roster who can block... this could free up Cooley to chip block and run more routes instead of staying behind to block so much. Of course, Ganther will probably not see much playing time... just like the guys he's replacing.

Levi Jones may not be worthy of starting on a roster in 31 other NFL teams, but he's probably an upgrade over BOTH Heyer and Williams. Unless he's hurt, i expect him to be our starting LT within a couple weeks. Heyer will move back to the right side and Williams will move back to backup duty.

Ultimately, both these moves are solid in my book. We cut two of the FIVE running backs on our roster for a better running back and starting left tackle. These guys come to us free. We didn't trade any 2010 draft picks. Be happy.[/quote]

If Williams continues to play the way he did on Sunday it's likely he'll continue to play there. Some in the organization said by week four he would be manning that position anyway, they're not that sold on Heyer and neither am I.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;612979]Can you believe that shit? Hunter and Suisham have more points for us than both of those two WRs?[/quote]

Or that Hunter the Punter has the same amount of rushing TDs as Clinton Portis.

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[quote=Ruhskins;612981]Or that Hunter the Punter has the same amount of rushing TDs as Clinton Portis.[/quote]

Ahh, I forgot that one. Hunter actually ran for more yardage on his TD too!
:rofl:

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;612983]Ahh, I forgot that one. Hunter actually ran for more yardage on his TD too!
:rofl:[/quote]

He has more Tds then Kelly, Thomas, Davis, and EL combined!

Re: Redskins cut Mason and Alridge, sign OT Levi Jones
 

[quote=Paintrain;612937]Are you one of those fans who will just rip and complain at ANYTHING the Redskins do? Geez, lol. For MONTHS all I read on here is whining about the offensive line. We go out and sign an offensive lineman, in Week 6 when there's not much-if anything-out there and 'This is another FU'. I don't get the point of bitching just to bitch. Are you that miserable as a fan dude? Find something else to occupy your time then.[/quote]

Preach on Brother Pain. Preach on

"We need Levi Jones" "Why haven't we signed Levi Jones" "Can anyone here tell the idiots at Redskins Park we must sign Levi Jones"..."We signed Levi Jones? Why? No one else did. We're run by idiots"

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[quote=SmootSmack;612985]Preach on Brother Pain. Preach on

"We need Levi Jones" "Why haven't we signed Levi Jones" "Can anyone here tell the idiots at Redskins Park we must sign Levi Jones"..."We signed Levi Jones? Why? No one else did. We're run by idiots"[/quote]

People are just pissed.
At this point, the Levi pick is probably a good move...perhaps a bit late but good enough...unless of course we signed a crazy deal

On paper, we have two past first rounders for the Tackle spot...unfortunately, they are getting their reps during the regular season vs preseason...just think of the rest of the games as an extended preseason...if thats the case, it is feasible that the two number ones could work out ok for the short term...in skins language on o line...3 years or so.

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I think it's a good move! Yes, we could have done this earlier. Hind-sight is 20/20. Eff it.