Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=SmootSmack;613356]I like Jeff Fisher. Great coach, better person. But that doesn't mean I want him here. I don't understand why we keep complaining that Snyder just goes after the big names...and then just talk about bringing in big names.

What we should do is find the next great coach (and it's not Zorn it seems). Maybe it's Brian Schottenheimer, maybe it's Jeremy Bates, maybe it's Kyle Shanahan, maybe it's Pete Carmichael, maybe it's Darell Bevell, maybe it's Rob Ryan...and so on

The danger of course is that it could backfire completely, but at this point why not take that chance?[/quote]

We just tried this with Zorn. One things that is abundantly clear... Snyder is a poor judge of football talent...both coaching and players. He hasn't yet made a voila football talent decision. I guess you could argue that Schottenheimer was close but then he f'd that up by canning him after one year.

DS doesn't have the chops to make football decisions. We're going to have to get lucky in that he'll hire the right guy at GM and give him all the power to make the football decisions.

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[quote=FRPLG;613533]We just tried this with Zorn. One things that is abundantly clear... Snyder is a poor judge of football talent...both coaching and players. He hasn't yet made a voila football talent decision. I guess you could argue that Schottenheimer was close but then he f'd that up by canning him after one year.

DS doesn't have the chops to make football decisions. We're going to have to get lucky in that he'll hire the right guy at GM and give him all the power to make the football decisions.[/quote]

Your last paragraph says it all............Case Closed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;613362]Zorn was an odd chance to take. A 55 year old with no play calling experience. [B]Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan is 29 years old and has been calling plays for a couple of years now[/B][/quote]

You know my friend screams on this guy all the time. But say that Danny feels that way too and he get's Kyle and then hires a GM. I'd be fine with it but wouldn't the masses still be upset ? It's lose lose for real but I think he'd be a pretty decent choice.

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[quote=Longtimefan;613523]He's a recognizable name that's why his name will be brought up in discussions here. I want to see some other things happen before even considering the thought of who the next coach might be. Too much unfinished business.[/quote]

I totally agree with you, and was going to post something to the same respect. I find it funny that every HC out there who may be on the hot seat or currently doesn't have a job because of being fired, "retiring", or being pushed out the door alla Mike Holmgren is a new discussion and thread on the forum.

1st thing first.. GM... period. I can't sit here and say whole heartedly that we will be successful with coach a or b without a new FO system in place that gets danny out of the cookie jar. Look I wanted our way of doing things to work. As did everyone else here, but at this point it is not going to. We can't over pay free agents and then bitch because we have no depth. We have no money to get ourselves any depth.

Also at this point we don't have anyone who can pick good talent. AND WE NEED A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO GET THE RIGHT TALENT AS WELL. We need guys that fit our "system". Which right now isn't very clearly defined. A WC passing attack mixed with an 80's running game? You know why we have this backwards ass offensive system in place. Because we don't have a clearly defined way of running the franchise. This is what happens when you hire an OC who is only installing a passing game and then turn the guy into the HC. Remember we kept Joe Gibbs running game. So Zorn is only using half of the WCO playbook. This is so stupid. This is why the offense sux so bad. Well among many other problems with this franchise. RETARDED VINNY. Come on, hire the whole staff then try and find a HC to fit around them? What HC worth a salt would have taken the job back in 08? None. Except for washed up Jim Fassel or Steve Mariucci? A couple of winners there huh? Well this is where we are and it is time to blow up Redskin Park's inner structure.

So I could really care less about Jeff Fisher. I want to know who the next GM is, and when he is going to start getting this thing turned around. No more band aids.

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In case there was any confusion, I think Fisher is great and I wouldn't be upset if he was our next coach. I'm just saying I wish we could find our own Jeff Fisher is all I'm saying. I wish, for example, someone like Kirk Olivadotti could take over on an interim basis and then suddenly be here for the next 16 years (the same way Fisher was in Houston/Tennessee). That's all

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=MonkFan4Life;613540]You know my friend screams on this guy all the time. [B]But say that Danny feels that way too and he get's Kyle and then hires a GM. [/B] I'd be fine with it but wouldn't the masses still be upset ? It's lose lose for real but I think he'd be a pretty decent choice.[/quote]

What do you mean?

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Add another vote to GM first, then HC. Until this team has a GM as fans we will have to suffer through mediocrity at best, or gut wrenching season like this. A winning franchise is going to require a GM to acquire the right 'talent' both in terms of players and coaches.

In this regard we are doomed since as pointed out in an earlier post in this thread Snyder has no football sense so even if he picks a GM, he will probably pick incorrectly.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;613325]I don't understand the love for all this guys Fisher, Gruden, Shanahan, Cowher, Shottenheimer. [/quote]

You're right, who would want something like this in DC? We're truly too good for it

[quote]He became the fifteenth head coach in Steelers history when he succeeded Chuck Noll on January 21, 1992 – but only the second head coach since the NFL merger in 1970. Under Cowher, the Steelers showed an immediate improvement from the disappointing 7-9 season the year before, going 11-5 and earning home field advantage in the AFC after the Steelers had missed the playoffs six times out of the previous seven years. In 1995, at age 38, he became the youngest coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl. Cowher is [B]only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach[/B], joining Pro Football Hall of Fame member Paul Brown.

[B]In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. [/B]It has become an article of faith among NFL pundits that the Steelers do not have a bad team two years in a row – they have never lost 10 or more games in consecutive years since the 1970 NFL merger. [B]At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the National Football League since Cowher was hired as head coach.[/B]

On February 5, 2006, Cowher's Pittsburgh Steelers won Super Bowl XL by defeating the Seattle Seahawks 21-10, giving Cowher his first Super Bowl ring.[/quote]

He never had a great QB either.

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I highly Doubt Fisher is going anywhere. I was stationed in TN for a while and the ppl there love him. They would burn that bi%h to the ground. He has had bad seasons before and brought them back.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;613325][B]I don't understand the love for all this guys Fisher, Gruden, Shanahan, Cowher, Shottenheimer.[/B][/quote]

Gee I don't know, they've all won a lot of games in this league, are widely respected by their peers, and there's a few SB trophies scattered in there as well.

You can spin their success any way you want, at the end of the day they're successful and proven coaches.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;613330]And he has also gone from:

13-3 to 7-9

12-4 to 5-11

13-3 to 0-6 so far this year.

He's like a rollercoaster.[/quote]
not too many coaches that haven't had that happen to

sometimes you lose key guys to retirement, free agency, etc

so we just pack it up if we can't get holmgren or dungy? give the team away?

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

Out of all the Head Coaches available.

my order would be...
1. Cowher
2. Shanahan
3. Gruden
4. Fischer

The Chin>Fischer.

but we wont get em.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=FRPLG;613533]We just tried this with Zorn. One things that is abundantly clear... Snyder is a poor judge of football talent...both coaching and players. He hasn't yet made a voila football talent decision. I guess you could argue that Schottenheimer was close but then he f'd that up by canning him after one year.

DS doesn't have the chops to make football decisions. We're going to have to get lucky in that he'll hire the right guy at GM and give him all the power to make the football decisions.[/quote]
If Danny does can Vinny, he'll get someone better in there.. hopefully.....

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=MonkFan4Life;613540]You know my friend screams on this guy all the time. But say that Danny feels that way too and he get's Kyle and then hires a GM. I'd be fine with it but wouldn't the masses still be upset ? It's lose lose for real but I think he'd be a pretty decent choice.[/quote]
If you hire the coach first (and I'd probably do this only with a big reputed coach) you can consider letting HIM choose the GM. That's what you'll see with some of these coaches returning, Cowher will have his own personnel guy, Holmgren will if he doesn't serve as it himself, etc.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;613546]I totally agree with you, and was going to post something to the same respect. I find it funny that every HC out there who may be on the hot seat or currently doesn't have a job because of being fired, "retiring", or being pushed out the door alla Mike Holmgren is a new discussion and thread on the forum.

1st thing first.. GM... period. I can't sit here and say whole heartedly that we will be successful with coach a or b without a new FO system in place that gets danny out of the cookie jar. Look I wanted our way of doing things to work. As did everyone else here, but at this point it is not going to. We can't over pay free agents and then bitch because we have no depth. We have no money to get ourselves any depth.

Also at this point we don't have anyone who can pick good talent. AND WE NEED A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO GET THE RIGHT TALENT AS WELL. We need guys that fit our "system". Which right now isn't very clearly defined. A WC passing attack mixed with an 80's running game? You know why we have this backwards ass offensive system in place. Because we don't have a clearly defined way of running the franchise. This is what happens when you hire an OC who is only installing a passing game and then turn the guy into the HC. Remember we kept Joe Gibbs running game. So Zorn is only using half of the WCO playbook. This is so stupid. This is why the offense sux so bad. Well among many other problems with this franchise. RETARDED VINNY. Come on, hire the whole staff then try and find a HC to fit around them? What HC worth a salt would have taken the job back in 08? None. Except for washed up Jim Fassel or Steve Mariucci? A couple of winners there huh? Well this is where we are and it is time to blow up Redskin Park's inner structure.

So I could really care less about Jeff Fisher. I want to know who the next GM is, and when he is going to start getting this thing turned around. No more band aids.[/quote]

You're absolutely correct. I wanted to say the very same things you did, I just didn't feel like typing it.

Just finished reading Jason Reid's blog on Redskins Insider "Largent says Zorn considered quitting" and disecting his logic (which by the way is spot on) one can't help but wonder why Zorn took this job in the first place. One word of wisdom to any prospective coach considering coming here under the current set of circumstances, BEWARE.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

I love Jeff Fisher, a BADASS coach that would get the team MOTIVATED!

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

Reply? ... to What?

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[quote=Josh Baker;613686]I love Jeff Fisher, a BADASS coach that would get the team MOTIVATED![/quote]

Come on Josh man, it sounds good but this team needs just a "little" bit more than motivation. Check some of the threads on this board over the last few weeks and you'll get a pretty good idea about what this team needs.

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Wow, if Danny somehow managed to bring Dungy in, that would be amazing. I think he is my top choice even though it will prolz never happen...

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I like Jeff Fischer....I am all for it. Hopefully, Tennessee fires him midseason...so we can grab him.

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[quote=Longtimefan;613663]You're absolutely correct. I wanted to say the very same things you did, I just didn't feel like typing it.

Just finished reading Jason Reid's blog on Redskins Insider "Largent says Zorn considered quitting" and disecting his logic (which by the way is spot on) one can't help but wonder why Zorn took this job in the first place. One word of wisdom to any prospective coach considering coming here under the current set of circumstances, BEWARE.[/quote]
It's like when you're a teenager... a girl offers it up to you, of course you take it.. you're not ready for it, you're nervous, but feels so good man

that's why zorn took it

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;613325]I don't understand the love for all this guys Fisher, Gruden, Shanahan, Cowher, Shottenheimer. In my opinion they are all average, the only guys for consideration are Holmgren and Dungy. What has Fisher done in all his years in Houston/Tennesse? Shanahan without Elway? Cowher in 14/15 years in Pitt? Gruden without the team Dungy beat? Marty with his many playoff chokes. I want someone that will takes us to the SB and win. I'm sorry but none of these guys do it for me except for Holmgren and Dungy. Are we that desperate that all these guys remind you of Gibbs, Walsh, Belichick? Jack Pardee is probably available.[/quote]

Ok, Einstein....err....SFREDSKIN, aside from these so called "Average" coach's......who do you plan to pick up that has better qualifications, knows how to get to the dance, and has better stats then these HC's?

It's funny. You call them average. Stats are shown. You back peddle on two. and who else out there is going to be available with a better resumue? I guess I'm presuming your wanting a young GM picked first like most of us, and then what? A young OC from some team to be named our HC who does not have any HC resumue to speak of? No stats to show? Never been to the big dance as a HC?

Unless I'm missing someone you have picked all the HC's that are proven and called them ...."Average." Who is above "Average" and please feel free to use stats.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=MonkFan4Life;613540]You know my friend screams on this guy all the time. But say that Danny feels that way too and he get's Kyle and then hires a GM. I'd be fine with it but wouldn't the masses still be upset ? It's lose lose for real but I think he'd be a pretty decent choice.[/quote]

The rumor is that wherever Shanahan goes, Kyle will be joining him as Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator/Possible Head Coach in Waiting

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=MrSpectre;613405]Not as dumb as Fisher would be if he even contemplated playing for Danny the Bozo. Best guess here is that he wouldn't.[/quote]

You really bring nothing to the table do you?

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ajv_jANqyl_tAElx2b35i_o5nYcB?slug=cr-inconvenienttruths102809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Redskins find another way to alienate fan base - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

A Fisher/Adams divorce is drawing near


Vince Young(notes) may be the factor that causes one last irreparable crack between Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher and team owner Bud Adams. Regardless of some of his past comments, it’s pretty clear Fisher hasn’t been comfortable with Vince Young as his starting quarterback since the beginning of 2008. And now, per Adams’ comments to media, it has finally gotten to the point that he may force Young back into the mix


That never bodes well for a relationship, particularly when the coach just happens to be the longest-tenured head man in the NFL, and has more than earned the right to call all of the shots when it comes to who plays. So there is bound to be some serious private friction over this push by Adams, which Fisher already seems to be resisting.


And in the light of some of the other things that have happened (the 0-6 start, the Peyton Manning(notes) jersey incident), you have to wonder if Fisher isn’t ready for another challenge. It’s not an unreal scenario. Counting his takeover of the team in 1994, this is his 16th season running the Titans. That basically makes him the coaching version of the Rosetta Stone among his counterparts.


Now frame that in the realities of the team. Unless Young suddenly and unexpectedly reverses course, the Titans are in for at least a partial rebuild. This coming offseason, they could be looking for a new quarterback, while also needing help on the defensive line and a continuing chapter at the wide receiver spot. But the quarterback issue in particular could be daunting. Barring another fluky Matt Ryan(notes)/Joe Flacco draft, it’s going to be a set of growing pains that Fisher may not want to go through. It’s not unthinkable that he could walk away from the Titans, or get fired, then sit out one season and resurface in another franchise that has at least some of the major parts already in place (Chicago Bears, anyone?).

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Hard to believe Fisher here, after all AH kinda laid into him when he came here didn't he?

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6 winning seasons in 15 years (16 after this year) is not impressive to me, the guy is over rated.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;617836]6 winning seasons in 15 years (16 after this year) is not impressive to me, the guy is over rated.[/quote]

...he's no Cam Cameron right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;617837]...he's no Cam Cameron right?[/quote]

Can't judge Cam after 1 season. How will you judge Spagnola, Schwartz, Morris, Haley, etc. after one year? I guess they all suck?

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out of all the stiffs that have been mentioned, im officially on the Jeff Fisher bandwagon. although i really don't see that happening

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No way, I am completely on board with not being on the JF bandwagon, I feel that for the money DS is going to shell out for a top shelf coach, you could do a lot better than Fisher. Dungy or Holmgren are priority 1, gruden/cowher/shanahan are priority 2

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;617839]Can't judge Cam after 1 season. How will you judge Spagnola, Schwartz, Morris, Haley, etc. after one year? I guess they all suck?[/quote]

Didn't say that.

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;617842]No way, I am completely on board with not being on the JF bandwagon, I feel that for the money DS is going to shell out for a top shelf coach, you could do a lot better than Fisher. Dungy or Holmgren are priority 1, [B]gruden[/B]/cowher/[B]shanahan [/B]are priority 2[/quote]
i don't get the love fest for these 2 guys. please enlighten me

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

Many of you say GM first HC second I say

New Owner 1st, GM 2nd, HC 3rd

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=D'BOYZ;617860]Many of you say GM first HC second I say

New Owner 1st, GM 2nd, HC 3rd[/quote]
Perhaps you would like to lead by example?

Re: Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher
 

[quote=D'BOYZ;617860]Many of you say GM first HC second I say

New Owner 1st, GM 2nd, HC 3rd[/quote]

You guys do need a new owner.

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[quote=dmek25;617856]i don't get the love fest for these 2 guys. please enlighten me[/quote]
who's your pick?

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[quote=dmek25;617856]i don't get the love fest for these 2 guys. please enlighten me[/quote]

Im with you on this. I see a better arguement for MS than Gruden by far. Shanahan pretty much regarded as a great play caller, good offensive mind...but not sold anymore on head coach....Gruden showed me nothing the last several years at Tampa Bay. Much rather have Jeff Fisher, Holgrem, Cowher...but first we need a real GM.

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I hav[quote=dmek25;617840]out of all the stiffs that have been mentioned, im officially on the Jeff Fisher bandwagon. although i really don't see that happening[/quote]


I was proposing bringing him here since the Patriots game. :)


It would be a great opportunity.

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[quote=D'BOYZ;617860]Many of you say GM first HC second I say

[B] New Owner 1st[/B], GM 2nd, HC 3rd[/quote]


Now that you've stated your opinion on the Cowgirls...what do you think the Redskins should do?