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[quote=SmootSmack;618840]A young guy would help because he would be here for a while (ideally), but I was saying more so because SkinFanatic called him a young, up and comer. And I was just pointing out that he's not really.

[B]There's no reason to believe Lebeau would ever be a good GM[/B].

A guy like Brian Kelly could succeed but he needs experienced people around him. I don't buy that a college coach can't succeed in the NFL but they need to be surrounded by NFL people. It's like someone from outside the Beltway being President. Of course they can succeed, but they need people with experience on the inside to help them through[/quote]

no reason to beleive he wouldn't either you never know. side note can't beleive WVU just $ the bed, i don't know why bill stewart was ever named head coach, sorry i'm bitter we are now outta the top 25

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Probably more reasons to believe he wouldn't be a good GM

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[quote=mlmdub130;618857]no reason to beleive he wouldn't either you never know. side note can't beleive WVU just $ the bed, i don't know why bill stewart was ever named head coach, sorry i'm bitter we are now outta the top 25[/quote]

BJ Daniels getting it done for USF this season with Grothe out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;618882]Probably more reasons to believe he wouldn't be a good GM[/quote]

what his 36 years experience, or 2 super bowl rings, or 5 divisional championships, or is that not enough, who is your man?

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[quote=mlmdub130;618886]what his 36 years experience, or 2 super bowl rings, or 5 divisional championships, or is that not enough, who is your man?[/quote]

Those things don't mean he'll be a great GM. Lebeau is great at one thing, coordinating defenses. He wasn't even a successful head coach (granted it was with the Bengals but still). It's like saying well Bugel would be a great GM. It doesn't quite work that way. Where is his experience in scouting players, managing a draft?

Personally I think a guy like Jimmy Raye III (Chargers) would be solid

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[quote=SmootSmack;618891]Those things don't mean he'll be a great GM. Lebeau is great at one thing, coordinating defenses. He wasn't even a successful head coach (granted it was with the Bengals but still). It's like saying well Bugel would be a great GM. It doesn't quite work that way. Where is his experience in scouting players, managing a draft?

Personally I think a guy like Jimmy Raye III (Chargers) would be solid[/quote]

this is true, thats why in my mind this is the MOST important position on a team, and you really never know you just have to bring them in and talk to them and see who will fit best for your/our team, and again that gets us back to that touchy little issue, and jr3 has done great in sd because they have had a couple pretty decent coaches, their names sound familiar too some guy named marty some thing or other and a guy named norv not quite as good as marty but not bad

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I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude

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[quote=rbanerjee23;618900]I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude[/quote]

hate to dissapoint but dungy will....... never come to washington, he is way to smart and having way to much fun looking creepy on nbc football night in america(gayest show titile ever). but you have to admit he has a really creepy looking smile

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[quote=Angry;614185][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1) Fire Vinny[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2) Snyder gives me all decisions making abilities with the exception of his Madden Franchise. I'm sure that he turns the salary cap off and the Skins are awesome.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3) I cannot be terminated or over ruled in any decision until after my 5th season.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]4) No more suing season ticket holders.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]5) Access to training camp is free again.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]6) First beer is free for all fans attending the game as long as they are wearing officially licensed Redskins Apparrell[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]7) I get a 5 member cheerleading squad in my luxury box.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]8) I get to pick which 5.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]9) My wife is banned from my luxury box. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]10) I have a personal body guard to protect me from my wife.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[/quote]
LOL! Angry you got my vote man, can I hang out in the Luxury box?lol

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[quote=mlmdub130;618896]this is true, thats why in my mind this is the MOST important position on a team, and you really never know you just have to bring them in and talk to them and see who will fit best for your/our team, and again that gets us back to that touchy little issue, and jr3 has done great in sd because they have had a couple pretty decent coaches, their names sound familiar too some guy named marty some thing or other and a guy named norv not quite as good as marty but not bad[/quote]

By wanting to name a defensive coordinator GM and calling Norv a great coach your credibility is in question.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;618900]I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude[/quote]

As for GM, what has "sold" you about Dungy?

I haven't seen anything which suggests he could excel at personnel decision-making, or drafting. Same goes for Mike Holmgren and Marty Schottenheimer. I'd like to know where the idea got started that great coaches are automatically going to be great general managers.

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[quote=Beemnseven;618937]As for GM, what has "sold" you about Dungy?

I haven't seen anything which suggests he could excel at personnel decision-making, or drafting. Same goes for Mike Holmgren and Marty Schottenheimer. I'd like to know where the idea got started that great coaches are automatically going to be great general managers.[/quote]

Well Holmgren has had experience and some success already as a GM. I think Schottemheimer might actually be a better president than GM, you know more of a big picture guy. And that's kind of also why people think great coaches can make great GMs. They have that experience of overseeing almost a complete operation and they understand what it takes to have a successful team.

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^Not only that Smoot but I'd rather have a proven GM who is good at his job but I imagine unless we throw the bank at them they won't leave their current team. Which means we are taking chances on someone who has no experience. I'd rather have a someone who knows and is proven to be able to build a team with talent. I could stomach Holmgren, but I'd rather have Schottenheimer. Only cause he has been here and knows what to expect and will put DS in his place if he tries to meddle.

Mostly I want a GM and HC who are on page with each other and know what type of players best fits the system they are trying to impliment. I believe part of our problems lie with VC having been more of a WC personel type and having Norv, Schottenhiemer, Spurrier, and Gibbs2 did not bode well together. We are finally running a WC style offense with non WC style players. Most likely given time things could turn around but Zorn has not shown me anything that would lead me to believe he has what it takes.

Perhaps part of it is cause he started out bad with the whole "Red, Black, and Yellow." It pointed out to me he obviously can't do a little homework on the internet. Oh I got excited when we were 6-2, but after it showed he can't conform to the talent he has. He reminds me of Surrier who basically said this is my offense run it. I understand injuries make it difficult but a great coach will learn quickly to tailor their scheme to fit their talent, ie; Gibbs1 when he went 0-5 and changed up his offense and went 8-8, Schottenhiemer who changed up after starting out bad and going 8-8. Zorn would prefer to stay the course with his offense and force a round peg into a squar hole, then say it's all about exicution.

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[quote=Eknox;618908]LOL! Angry you got my vote man, can I hang out in the Luxury box?lol[/quote]

I'm sorry Ek, but as Angry's assistant general manger of player development and managerial indecent behavior, I'll actually be in the box with him. Thank you for your interest in joining us there though.

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[quote=Beemnseven;618937]As for GM, what has "sold" you about Dungy?

I haven't seen anything which suggests he could excel at personnel decision-making, or drafting. Same goes for Mike Holmgren and Marty Schottenheimer. I'd like to know where the idea got started that great coaches are automatically going to be great general managers.[/quote]

Would he be a step up from VC? Yes, would any of those people be a step up from Vinny? Yes

I think that more than anything has sold me, call me crazy for wanting to get better if not necessarily the best...

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again, jimmy johnson

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[quote=rbanerjee23;618900]I'm still sold on Dungy coming in and taking one of the jobs either GM or coach, he would instantly bring this team back from the current brink of Raideritude[/quote]

[B][U]If you want Dungy, he wants Tebow:[/U][/B]
Dungy also had interesting comments on Tim Tebow. Dungy loves winners. He thinks Charlie Ward would have been a great NFL quarterback because he won at every level. Dungy said that Tebow is like that. He just wins, and that will translate to the NFL.

Dungy said if he ran St. Louis, he'd draft Tebow high in the first round. "Franchise quarterbacks are hard to fine, and I believe in this guy," Dungy said.
[B]
Dan asked Dungy if Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Jake Locker and Jimmy Clausen were available, would he take Tebow over all of them. Dungy said yes, he'd take Tebow.[/B]
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/84261/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0VYRVk9Re]Tony Dungy on Vince Young, drafting Tebow, Larry Johnson - Dan Patrick.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;618940]Well Holmgren has had experience and some success already as a GM. I think Schottemheimer might actually be a better president than GM.[/quote]

Yeah and then he'll bring the whole family, his son and brother. I'm sorry, but what has he done as far as winning a playoff game or even a SB to deserve such title with the Washington Redskins (this ain't Cleveland). If it was between Holmgren and Shottenheimer, I take Holmgren hands down, a proven winner all around. Heck, I would even take Marv "grandpa" Levy.

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[quote=WaldSkins;614127]I've been throwing the name of Chris Polian around in other threads. So i'm sticking by my choice.[/quote]

He should be a great GM, considering his father knows how to build teams

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[quote=Eknox;618908]LOL! Angry you got my vote man, can I hang out in the Luxury box?lol[/quote]

All Warpath members are invited into my luxery box. They just have to provide their own cheerleader or a woman equivalent of cheerleader status.

No daughters permitted.

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[quote=dcweldon;614176]Why not bring back Charley Casserly. He did great work with us, minus Shuler, but it happens.

Granted, I don't think Danny Boy will be willing to bring him back on the bus.

Round and Round we go people.[/quote]

Agreed, Casserly made a lot of solid picks or us. Brian Mitchell, Stephen Davis, Kennan McCardell, Champ Bailey, and Frank Wycheck being the most notable ones. All drafted during his era. Or we can go back even further and get Bobby Bethard. But I'm sure someone has already suggested that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;619030]He should be a great GM, considering his father knows how to build teams[/quote]
You can say that but you can also say that a player should be great because his father was.. you never know

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[quote=Angry;619052]All Warpath members are invited into my luxery box. They just have to provide their own cheerleader or a woman equivalent of cheerleader status.

No daughters permitted.[/quote]
I'm friends with many of the Hooters girls in the NoVA area... that count?

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[quote=tryfuhl;619079]I'm friends with many of the Hooters girls in the NoVA area... that count?[/quote]

Absofuckinglutely!

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[quote=Kalisto2010;619069]Agreed, Casserly made a lot of solid picks or us. Brian Mitchell, Stephen Davis, Kennan McCardell, Champ Bailey, and Frank Wycheck being the most notable ones. All drafted during his era. Or we can go back even further and get Bobby Bethard. But I'm sure someone has already suggested that.[/quote]


I think Bethard lives in town here in Tn!

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[quote=Jamaican'Skin;618961]I'm sorry Ek, but as Angry's assistant general manger of player development and managerial indecent behavior, I'll actually be in the box with him. Thank you for your interest in joining us there though.[/quote]
LMAO! thanks for your consideration...lol

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I think we should go Hard at Chris Polian, period, point blank!...

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jimmy johnson

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[quote=Meks;619396]jimmy johnson[/quote]

Booooooooo

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^ lol, great football mind... has often speculated about IF he had been running the team... he hasnt been a cowgirl for a long time. I'd take ANYONE over VC at this point, let it be.

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Joe Gibbs?

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Jimmy Johnson??? you've got to be kid...wait,

no, you know what I would take any kind of new blood at GM, be it tainted by many years in the Cowgirls' franchise - that is how desperate I am for a new direction for this team.

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Hire Parcells away from Miami.

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I was listening to 980 the other day and they had Bobby Bethard on and he was asked if he would consider coming back as GM of the Redskins and he said no way - he has a ton of grandkids and he is too busy to go back in that role. He mentioned that he still follow the Skins and football as well but it seemed like he has been out fo the game too long to be able to fix the Skins.

Overall we should get one of the somone like like Chris Polian or Eric Decosta and just start a complete rebuild in earnest.

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Chris Polian would be a good choice he comes from a winning organization and he is young and would be a much needed additional to the Redskin Nation.

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Well we might want to scratch Holmgren off the list

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/02/holmgren-redskins-treatment-of-zorn-was-wrong/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Holmgren: Redskins’ treatment of Zorn was wrong «[/url]

I don't think he was ever a top candidate. I don't think Snyder is that big a fan quite honestly, and for Holmgren to go from Paul Allen to Snyder would be too huge a change for him at this stage of his career.

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Just for fun I was doing a Google on Dan Snyder... this is what comes up with their auto-complete functionality:

[IMG]http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4858/dssearch.png[/IMG]

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[quote=Meks;619018]again, jimmy johnson[/quote]
He said on pre-game a few weeks ago it won't be him here to fix things

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[quote=Hogroll;619720]Just for fun I was doing a Google on Dan Snyder... this is what comes up with their auto-complete functionality:

[IMG]http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4858/dssearch.png[/IMG][/quote]:laughing2

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about bruce allen of the bucs,he is the son george allen.hopefully the connection his father had with the skins would maybe lure him here?