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[quote=Buster;616987]That's suicide. Collins would have been sacked at least 10 times last night. At least Campbell can avoid some sacks.[/quote]

Jeff Garcia is the answer. He brings the attitude and he's been in a west coast offense all his career. He may not have a huge arm but he would give us a chance and he is also great in the pocket.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616964]Yeah funny enough Williams hasn't looked half bad.[/quote]

While some have paused to make mockery of Williams, when you look at what we have as far as OL is concerned, I'm rather glad he rounded into shape to be able to help us as much as he has. Without him we'd be in even worse shape.

Some thought he would not play at all this season.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;616992]Jeff Garcia is the answer. He brings the attitude and he's been in a west coast offense all his career. He may not have a huge arm but he would give us a chance and he is also great in the pocket.[/quote]

Are you his agent? You're posting this crazy idea everywhere.

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[quote=Longtimefan;616995]While some have paused to make mockery of Williams, when you look at what we have as far as OL is concerned, I'm rather glad he rounded into shape to be able to help us as much as he has. Without him we'd be in even worse shape.

Some thought he would not play at all this season.[/quote]

He has proven to be a good backup, surprisingly. He is not a solution at RT long term. He is not starters material. I would like to see them keep him around for depth.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;616980]I told y'all that Raback was on his last legs, and that he should've been moved to guard. I told y'all we should have draft Mack, Loadholt, Oher, and or Robinson. Oh you're stupid Tramp, huh, you don't draft a center in the first round. You mean you're not happy that we picked up a DE with our first and with our third next year? Chaz Reinhardt and Deb'n Clark are going to step up. Stretch Armstrong is going to pull through.

Priorities! I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. You think this is bad? Our defense can handle Filthy compared to what's coming. Wait until New Orleans and Dallas. eff it . . . .[/quote]


Trample - I agree and I remember many of your posts about getting Mack and I wish the Skins had listened. I truely think that the Skins draft 2 new lineman and 1 free agent - with the first pick being Russell Okung to solidify the left tackle spot for the next 5-7 years - if we are lucky enough that he is available when we pick. The other pick being either a guard or center - I just don't see us picking both bookend tackles in the same draft. I think we see both Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels gone from the Redskins next year - I like both of these guys but we need to recommit to building the line with youth and using high picks to get them. If the CBA falls through and we go uncapped I can see the Skins going extreme and using the 1st and 2nd round picks on lineman and plugging the other 2 offensive lineman positions with free agents -the only holdover would be Dockery as the other 4 are nothing to build the long term future with. even with this next year would be a learning year as the new line gets in sync and used to eachother.

Also I think the stopgap measure is we bring in a veteran qb to be picked by the next coach/gm and let him take the reigns for a year or two or use Colt - as many have correctly pointed out it does not matter who you put back there without a decent line they will be killed.

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[quote=Chico23231;616985]I would agree with that about the Oline, they are terrible. But when I watch JC this year and he gets time to make a play, 9 times out of 10 he cant. He is afraid to throw, gun-shy, going through progressions too fast and flat out missing guys who are open....I just havent seen it from him. The turnovers especially the fumbling...every QB gets hit but he fumbles more than others.[/quote]

exactly. even when he does get time he doesnt remain calm and make the proper reads.

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[quote=Buster;616998]Are you his agent? You're posting this crazy idea everywhere.[/quote]

No, but I see the problems of the redskins and it's is squarely on the QB shoulders. We need a new attitude on this offense. Some HEART. What are Garcia's strengths.

He has excellent feet
He will get the ball out quick
He is a fighter, who never gives up
He will pull the trigger and throw the long ball

He's old yes but we all know in reality that we will be drafting a qb next year any way. so why not take a chance?

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[quote=Chico23231;617006]He has proven to be a good backup, surprisingly. He is not a solution at RT long term. He is not starters material. I would like to see them keep him around for depth.[/quote]

Circumstances, some of which we are familiar, some of which we're not, has contributed to his shortcomings in the NFL. His weight problem is the one most highly recognized as well as publicized. However, when a player is selected what, # 4 overall in the draft (before his problems began) to suggest he's not starting material means the Bills had to be awfully confused. He may not now be the player he was drafted to be, and may not be our long-term slution, but with our situatin being what it is he's serviceable nontheless.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;617014]No, but I see the problems of the redskins and it's is squarely on the QB shoulders. We need a new attitude on this offense. Some HEART. What are Garcia's strengths.

He has excellent feet
He will get the ball out quick
He is a fighter, who never gives up
He will pull the trigger and throw the long ball

He's old yes but we all know in reality that we will be drafting a qb next year any way. so why not take a chance?[/quote]

what qb in his right mind would sign with us right now with our protection issues.

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Agree that he is servicable at this time given our state of being the worst Oline in the league. The comment that he is not starters material on any other team other than ours is in context at this time, not years ago when drafted by the Bills. I believe alot of teams at the 4th pick back then would have selected him. Not faulting the Bills for their pick. But in general they are confused...

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Even the announcers said JC steps up into sacks and I have said that myself several times. Time for JC to go. Maybe he can find a team like the Colts so he can stand back there and miss his open WR.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;617018]what qb in his right mind would sign with us right now with our protection issues.[/quote]

Someone who wants to play and start! I thinks if the offense could have some confidence the line might step up. We have play makers, we need someone who will get others involved.

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On the list of FA OL, I would consider:

Evans
McNeil
Hamilton
Gaither
Kaczur

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[quote=diehardskin2982;616976]JC needs to sit. He has no faith in the line. The offensive line did what they could and most times they did a ok job. but Campbell doesn't give the team a chance. Opposing Defenses pin their ears back and tee off on our line because they know Campbell will eventually make a mistake.[/quote]
Did you actually watch the game or are you so pissed off with Campbell that you write this crap. [B]There is not a single quarterback in the league that can function with this offensive line.[/B] There were three plays that illustrated how bad this line is.
1. In the first halve there was an unblocked blitz up the middle where the defender got on Campbell as soon as he took the shotgun snap. How can a defender beat a snapped ball. Unf%cking believable.
2. The shotgun snap by Rabach that never got to the quarterback. That will make every blooper reel in America.
3. The unblocked blitz that came right up center, Campbell was able to dodge the guy because he was going so fast. Horrible.
I don't have a vote of confidence of Jason Campbell, he is shell shocked just like Patrick Ramsey was with Spurrier. But until this offensive line is address, I wouldn't want to put any quarterback that I want to keep back there. Campbell is not going remain healthy at this pace. He will join the ranks of the injured reserve.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;617022]Someone who wants to play and start! I thinks if the offense could have some confidence the line might step up. We have play makers, we need someone who will get others involved.[/quote]
You are dreaming. What play makers?

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I've been a Campbell backer for a long time, figuring that he just needs to find his rhythm and he'll be golden. He found it for 6 games last fall, and has yet to find it again. He's nursing injuries (His plant (right) foot is heavily taped) and getting beat worse than red-headed stepchild because he's getting no protection from his OL. The best thing for Campbell would be to walk out of town after the season's done and never look back.

That being said, give Montgomery or Edwin Williams a shot at Center, benching Rabach. They have 2 weeks to gel with the first team Offense, make it happen. Rinehart should be healthy enough by then and can be plugged in at RG. Get Levi up to speed and throw him in at LT. Let Heyer and Mike Williams battle for RT. A line of Jones/Dockery/EdwinWilliams/Rinehart/Heyer can't be any worse than what's been thrown out there thus far.

Rebuilding the offensive line has to be the #1 priority in the offseason. If it's not, then no matter who you put behind Center, they are doomed to fail.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;616992]Jeff Garcia is the answer. He brings the attitude and he's been in a west coast offense all his career. He may not have a huge arm but he would give us a chance and he is also great in the pocket.[/quote]

Skins don't throw down field anyway.

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[quote=Bill B;617008]Trample - I agree and I remember many of your posts about getting Mack and I wish the Skins had listened. I truely think that the Skins draft 2 new lineman and 1 free agent - with the first pick being Russell Okung to solidify the left tackle spot for the next 5-7 years - if we are lucky enough that he is available when we pick. The other pick being either a guard or center - I just don't see us picking both bookend tackles in the same draft. I think we see both Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels gone from the Redskins next year - I like both of these guys but we need to recommit to building the line with youth and using high picks to get them. If the CBA falls through and we go uncapped I can see the Skins going extreme and using the 1st and 2nd round picks on lineman and plugging the other 2 offensive lineman positions with free agents -the only holdover would be Dockery as the other 4 are nothing to build the long term future with. even with this next year would be a learning year as the new line gets in sync and used to eachother.

Also I think the stopgap measure is we bring in a veteran qb to be picked by the next coach/gm and let him take the reigns for a year or two or use Colt - as many have correctly pointed out it does not matter who you put back there without a decent line they will be killed.[/quote]

Perhaps, but you're assuming that we'll have someone who knows what he's doing making our picks. If it's Cerrato and his dope spoon making the picks, then the results will be the same, no disrespect to the spoon.

A blind man would've known our line sucked. Seriously, a blind man could've listened to the radio and said to himself, "Man that Campbell kid sure does spend a lot of time on his back".

It's frustrating as hell. Going into this season was like watching a plane take off with an 1/8 of JP 5 in its wings. You know the birds going down, and soon.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616920]We might not have to give him a new deal for another season. With an uncapped year he won't become a UFA until year 5, same with Rogers.[/quote]

This is year 5 for both of them, they were drafted in 05. I recall someone saying that both would be restricted fa's after this year.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;617014]No, but I see the problems of the redskins and it's is squarely on the QB shoulders. We need a new attitude on this offense. Some HEART. What are Garcia's strengths.

He has excellent feet
He will get the ball out quick
He is a fighter, who never gives up
He will pull the trigger and throw the long ball

He's old yes but we all know in reality that we will be drafting a qb next year any way. so why not take a chance?[/quote]

It's too late i believe, but i bet JG could come in and get us more points than we're getting right now. He has mobility and he's pretty accurate. As crazy of an idea that is, he probably would spark a little more offense.

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Unfortunately, I think we have a need to go into free agency to pick up our O-line needs. I think we need a QB too badly with our 1st pick and don't want to bank on anything but a first rounder to start. I think we need to sign patch job guys though, not long term deals. So we can draft our o-linemen for years to come

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;617045]Perhaps, but you're assuming that we'll have someone who knows what he's doing making our picks. If it's Cerrato and his dope spoon making the picks, then the results will be the same, no disrespect to the spoon.

A blind man would've known our line sucked. Seriously, a blind man could've listened to the radio and said to himself, "Man that Campbell kid sure does spend a lot of time on his back".

It's frustrating as hell. Going into this season was like watching a plane take off with an 1/8 of JP 5 in its wings. You know the birds going down, and soon.[/quote]


Great point Trample - I for one hope Synder sees some sort of light and brings in a new GM and lets him start the rebuilding in earnest. I will say though that even a guy like Cerrato would have enough sense/brain cells that if Okung is availble when they pick he must select him - heck Cerrato had enough sense in him to select Chris Samuels when he had the chance but I am giving him credit for the easy picks.

You are dead on that we need new blood in the front office

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[quote=Bill B;617057]Great point Trample - I for one hope Synder sees some sort of light and brings in a new GM and lets him start the rebuilding in earnest. I will say though that even a guy like Cerrato would have enough sense/brain cells that if Okung is availble when they pick he must select him - heck Cerrato had enough sense in him to select Chris Samuels when he had the chance but I am giving him credit for the easy picks.

You are dead on that we need new blood in the front office[/quote]

I'm thinking that the longer we go into the season, the better our chances are of picking up Okung or Williams. I'd rather have Williams. Oklahoma plays better teams than State does. I'll take either one though.

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[quote=Chico23231;616917]Ive been with JC for 4 years and he has not improved. The Oline we knew about last season and nothing was done. There is no way we give JC an extention, even when he has time in the pocket, he cannot make a play or it too scared to throw the ball. He has shown no leadership skills and no ability to make guys around him better. BYE BYE JC!! Like it or not he is gone, you seriously think Snyder is giving him mo money? I completely agree with building the Oline, I have been screaming it since last year. We need 3 new starters, get one through FA and try to get couple in the draft first and second rounds.[B] Im saying F Snead and Bradford now. Kolb would be a thought. I would support Hasselbeck coming in here for a couple years over JC.[/B][/quote]

Everything else you stated is pretty obvious. JC isn't going to come back here and if he does, he won't start. However, you didn't answer my question: How do you get those guys? Is Hasselbeck a free agent? I honestly don't know. Do you have faith he'll stay healthy behind this O Line?

How do you get Kolb? What does it take? What do you think it would take to acquire him? If it requires draft picks, wouldn't they be better spent on the O Line?

I'm asking because there will probably be a lot of guys cut this offseason that people on this board will turn up their noses at, but the Skins might consider. I honestly don't have an answer for what they should do. Since Campbell will likely not be a UFA because of the uncapped year, it might be wise to keep he and Colt around to compete next year with a totally rebuilt O Line. If that happens, people will piss and moan because they'll probably lose again, but they'll be in a much better position to grab a QB and hit the ground running in 2011.

I'm of the opinion that this team will need much more than one offseason to rebuild and compete again.

I think one thing people need to consider is "Is one more season of Jason Campbell worse than one more season of this offensive line?" If the answer is "No" you still try to get a FA QB, but you really can't trade for one unless you somehow find someone to give you picks for some of the garbage on this roster.

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This isn't a surprise but at this point they need to come up with the plan on how to address the line. The good news is that they are positioned to overhaul the line in one offseason. Here are my suggestions:

Do not sign one of these over the hill lineman unless it is for Vet minimum and they come in knowing that they have to FIGHT for a starting job. I don't want a band-aid, I want a solution. Every dollar counts.

We are going to have our first and second draft picks. The first pick should be a premium starter for a decade hopefully a tackle. Given the bums on our line, the second pick should end up being a starter as well. Best available Tackle, Guard or Center.

Then, we need to pay market rate (or slightly above which is our MO) for the best available young FA tackle. We need bookends for 5-10 years. We also need a roadgrater at RG. I want a big monster who will punish the opponent. Maybe Mike Williams can be that guy but it has to happen.

Heyer is garbage and needs to go. GARBAGE. Nice story, see ya later.
Rabach is expendible if you ask me. He can't even snap shotgun so we need an upgrade there.

So Dock and (big maybe) Mike Williams should be the only returning starters. I could be talked into Rabach but there better not be a better option left on the table.

In the later rounds of the draft we need truly fast skill players. We need speed on offense. If there is a promising corner and linebacker, I am fine with that but we have to draft another runningback.

Looking forward to saying goodbye to:

Randle-El, Heyer, Rogers, Campbell, Wynn, Montgomery and maybe Kelly

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[quote=skinster;617054]Unfortunately, I think we have a need to go into free agency to pick up our O-line needs. I think we need a QB too badly with our 1st pick and don't want to bank on anything but a first rounder to start. I think we need to sign patch job guys though, not long term deals. So we can draft our o-linemen for years to come[/quote]


I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617067]I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.[/quote]

You are correct sir!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617065]This isn't a surprise but at this point they need to come up with the plan on how to address the line. The good news is that they are positioned to overhaul the line in one offseason. Here are my suggestions:

Do not sign one of these over the hill lineman unless it is for Vet minimum and they come in knowing that they have to FIGHT for a starting job. I don't want a band-aid, I want a solution. Every dollar counts.

We are going to have our first and second draft picks. The first pick should be a premium starter for a decade hopefully a tackle. Given the bums on our line, the second pick should end up being a starter as well. Best available Tackle, Guard or Center.

[B]Then, we need to pay market rate (or slightly above which is our MO) for the best available young FA tackle. We need bookends for 5-10 years. We also need a roadgrater at RG. I want a big monster who will punish the opponent. Maybe Mike Williams can be that guy but it has to happen. [/B]

Heyer is garbage and needs to go. GARBAGE. Nice story, see ya later.
Rabach is expendible if you ask me. He can't even snap shotgun so we need an upgrade there.

So Dock and (big maybe) Mike Williams should be the only returning starters. I could be talked into Rabach but there better not be a better option left on the table.

In the later rounds of the draft we need truly fast skill players. We need speed on offense. If there is a promising corner and linebacker, I am fine with that but we have to draft another runningback.

Looking forward to saying goodbye to:

Randle-El, Heyer, Rogers, Campbell, Wynn, Montgomery and maybe Kelly[/quote]

This won't happen. There will be much more of an emphasis placed on the draft in the uncapped world. Players will be restricted free agents until they have 6 years of experience in the NFL. Therefore, "paying market value for a good young tackle" more than likely includes a first round pick. That's not really worth it. There won't be a lot of good young players available.

And teams will be able to use both the Franchise and Transition tag in the same offseason with no cap, so that's 2 fewer players per team who will be available. I'd definitely franchise my youngish tackle if he were up for UFA.

Also, Campbell and Rogers will both be RFA's so it would take a qualifying offer to either keep them or receive compensation for them (this should at least be done in the case of Rogers).

With the new rules taking effect, it's going to be very difficult to build a team without a whole bunch of picks which means if there isn't a legit GM in Washington soon, we can cut everyone we want, but don't count on them being effectively replaced.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617067]I don't want a rookie QB this would be a huge mistake. Can't miss o-lineman is the only choice with a top 5 pick.[/quote]

who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.

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What we need for next year is to bring in some Free Agents and use the 2nd, 4th, and 5th round to bring in O-Line prospects. Obviously the 1st rounder will be used on a QB, or should Vinny still be around, a TE.

[quote=SFREDSKIN;617023]On the list of FA OL, I would consider:

Evans
McNeil
Hamilton
Gaither
Kaczur[/quote]


I would love to add McNeil but the Chargers can't be dumb enough to let him go on the open market.

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[quote=skinster;617076]who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.[/quote]

This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS!

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[quote=skinster;617076]who do you want us to build our team around? We need a complete rebuilding of our team, and JC isn't gonna be the guy to take us anywhere. I know it's not as sure of a hit, but the benefit of getting a solid QB for the future is worth the risk. If we have a qb, we will always have an offense. Look at what Aaron Rogers did while his O-line was beat up. For a few games, their O-line was significantly worse than the skins.[/quote]


You are displaying the thinking that got us into this position. Our problem is not our quarterback. You think Orton, Sanchez or hell Manning or Brady would have been any different last night? I have seen the body language that Campbell displayed before, he looked exactly like Patrick Ramsey. He was a punching bag and was just waiting for the hits to come.

What did Gibbs with with? It wasn't the QB, it was the line. The only constant of our dominating teams was the offensive line.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;617082]This team has been doing what you suggest for YEARS![/quote]

I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?

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[quote=jdlea;617074]This won't happen. There will be much more of an emphasis placed on the draft in the uncapped world. Players will be restricted free agents until they have 6 years of experience in the NFL. Therefore, "paying market value for a good young tackle" more than likely includes a first round pick. That's not really worth it. There won't be a lot of good young players available.

And teams will be able to use both the Franchise and Transition tag in the same offseason with no cap, so that's 2 fewer players per team who will be available. I'd definitely franchise my youngish tackle if he were up for UFA.

Also, Campbell and Rogers will both be RFA's so it would take a qualifying offer to either keep them or receive compensation for them (this should at least be done in the case of Rogers).

With the new rules taking effect, it's going to be very difficult to build a team without a whole bunch of picks which means if there isn't a legit GM in Washington soon, we can cut everyone we want, but don't count on them being effectively replaced.[/quote]


Every year a few good linemen are available. And don't discount the fact that some agents know that Snyder will be looking for a big name lineman and will do what it takes to get their clients a contract here.

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[quote=skinster;617086]I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?[/quote]


I am absolutely floored that anyone wants a QB with our first pick. How do you watch Stephon Heyer last night and call for a quarterback?

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[quote=skinster;617086]I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?[/quote]

Top 5 QB draft picks are a total crap shoot. More bust than boom really. On the flip side, we're FAR more likely to get a top tier starting caliber O-lineman (who can immediately contribute) with a top 5-10 pick. I want no part of Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy.

IMO we'd be much better off taking a lineman with the 1st pick, then grabbing a QB in the second or third round. I said it before, I'd like to see Tony Pike or Zac Robinson. Depending on how the draft board looks in April, I wouldn't mind trading down in the first round to accumulate multiple selections. Hopefully we'll have a real GM making decisions by then.

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pike maybe, zac i dont think will translate to the pro game well.

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[quote=skinster;617086]I don't remember ever getting a top 5 QB. Especially one we don't have to give up draft picks to get.

Do you not agree that a QB is a necessity to succeed in this league? How do you recommend we go about getting one? Stick with JC? That isn't working. Get a FA QB? Who that is going to be reliable?[/quote]

You must work for the front office. If I was a MOD I'd ban front office people from posting on this site.

No, I don't agree a QB is a necessity. Eli Manning has WALL EYES!

Here's to you an your bright ideas. :vomit:

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[quote=Big C;617098]pike maybe, zac i dont think will translate to the pro game well.[/quote]

Pike seems a lot like a Joe Flacco to me. I'd take that in a second. I like Zac Robinson's pocket awareness, feet, and quick release.

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I will not argue that the line isn't bad. Stevie Wonder can see that problem, but I do feel that Cerratto can get off his ass and make something happen.

We could pick up a Jon Runyan slide Mike Williams to gaurd and Levi Jones moves to Left tackle. That would stregthen the oline, the running game would become better. Campbell was fragile mentally before from what happened in the off season and this year, it's time to move on. Jeff could come in learn the basics in the bye week and you could go the PC route, let Campbell start the ATL game then bench him after he stinks it up. They have to do all they can to get this turned around, I don't think they are right doing that right now. Why waste a roster spot on Ganther who will never see the playing field?