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[quote=Mechanix544;618297]

Just think of it, a quicker, stronger Orakpo with an NFL season already under his belt, w00 h00!!!!!! He could really find his niche with that lineup right there. Man, I wish that D. Snyder would actually do the above. The more I think about it, the more that it makes so much sense, other than the fact that the Chargers might not want to let him go. I also, for that front seven, wouldn't be TOO much against trading Someone like a Devin Thomas or Malcolm Kelly and a 2011 4th rounder for Merriman, which actually sounds like a fairly feasible deal. Then we could just part ways with some underacheiving waste of roster space, and put Marko Mitchell next to Moss, and let him shine like we all know he can, and will! The Chargers might like and actually utilize a receiver like D. Thomas, and the lack of an OLine and QB on our side could be the reason D. Thomas hasn't performed worth a shit yet. Well, at least that would be our explanation, right????!!!!
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Why would they trade for Portis when they have LT?

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[quote=JLee9718;618403]Which team would be willing to pay Haynesworth what Snyder is paying him? I believe his large contract will end up causing a lot of dissension for the other D-Linemen, as well as some of the linebackers. I would agree to trade Haynesworth and Portis for draft picks, and DeAngelo too.[/quote]
well most of the salary is coming up next year.. something like 21 mil, so we'd probably have to wait till after that, unless someone reallllly wanted him

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[quote=A10sROCK;618429]CP will be one of the best Redskins RB of all time. He'll probably hit another 1200 yd season in the tough NFC East.

However, he's getting beat up bad and losing the edge with the poor OL we have had these last few years.

With a new Head Coach and perhaps a GM, I foresee a move to younger, fresher AND CHEAPER legs as a RB. I think Portis, Betts, Cartwright and Sellers will all be gone in a youth movement next season.

CP will eventually make the Ring of Fame for this team.[/quote]
Yeah, I just wish that I could've found a jersey other than his locally when I waited too long to order one before the Detroit game

New jersey time next year

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Trade Cooley for draft picks. He has character issues i.e. Internet exhibitionism.

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Portis, Horton, and I don't know our 4th rounder? for Leinart and the Cards 1st round pick. Draft Tebow to replace Portis :)

Yeah that's it, we'll draft Tebow but he won't replace Campbell, he'll replace Portis

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[quote=djnemo65;618442]People saying Portis still has big games left in the tank, what games are you watching? He has done nothing this year to indicate that is the case. It's easy to say the line is bad - it is after all, one of the worst I've ever seen. But people seem to think this lets the QB and the skill positions completely off the hook, even though they have pretty much sucked equally. This is certainly true of Portis, who at this point is nothing more than a body. A chug forward and fall down guy with no lateral movement, no explosiveness, no ability to change direction; basically none of the skills that led him to thrive in Denver's one cut system.

Throw in the fact that he's been a whiny little bitch and you have someone who has gots to go.[/quote]

couldn't have said it better myself......Portis is garbage. Overpriced, overhyped.

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Interesting, think Tebow is a runningback? I think he is a QB. If we blow up this roster we will be terrible for 10 yeears. Some of those magic draft picks are gonna be busts. LOL!!! Use what you go to get where you going. The only player to warrant loyalty is Cooley??! EVeryone else can be traded. The only player to show his genitalia on the Internet is Cooley. He is a sick puppy that needs to be banned from the NFL, IMO.

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It takes 2 RBs and I think one of them should be Portis. Gee whiz the man has given it all to the Danny, played hurt, did the little things, but they don't like Portis. They like Cooley, scrotum sack and all.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618472]Interesting, think Tebow is a runningback? I think he is a QB. If we blow up this roster we will be terrible for 10 yeears. Some of those magic draft picks are gonna be busts. LOL!!! Use what you go to get where you going. The only player to warrant loyalty is Cooley??! EVeryone else can be traded. The only player to show his genitalia on the Internet is Cooley. [B]He is a sick puppy that needs to be banned from the NFL, IMO[/B].[/quote]

Get real.

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Well maybe not banned, but that raises a red flag.

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I've never seen Portis break a tackle like Peterson does, or any other quality running back for that matter. I agree he's lost a couple of steps because he doesn't get through the line fast enough.

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[quote=JLee9718;618511]I've never seen Portis break a tackle like Peterson does, or any other quality running back for that matter. I agree he's lost a couple of steps because he doesn't get through the line fast enough.[/quote]

What line?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618508]Well maybe not banned, but that raises a red flag.[/quote]

Simple mistake that he acknowledged.

Red flag for what exactly?

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The name of this thread should be get real. We want a RB like Peterson, a QB like Peyton, we want wideouts like Welker. We want a coach like Lombardi. We want the WCO. No team has all that. No team is perfect. No general manager can build you a team like that. Fact is, we should have won every game we have played so far, but we had injuries on the O-line. It's gonna take will take Buges a few weeks to straighten it up. It's called fate. Get real. Why not want a TE like Gates, atleast he can get jump balls in the red zone. Plus, Cooley is a turnstile, ask Peppers.

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This should be the "I'm so done with..." thread. Yes, I'm so done w/ CP, JC, Vinny, and our whole coaching staff. I'm ready for sweeping changes.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618508]Well maybe not banned, but that raises a red flag.[/quote]Actually, it doesn't with me and I think you're being absurd.

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[quote=Mattyk72;618518]Simple mistake that he acknowledged.

Red flag for what exactly?[/quote]


Character issues. Simple mistake, "I accidentally posted a nude picture of my self and a football blog". LOL

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618529]Character issues. Simple mistake, "I accidentally posted a nude picture of my self and a football blog". LOL[/quote]

Not sure how that adds up to character issues exactly.

How about his off the field charity work, to me that tells me all I need to know about his character. Plus he's never been a problem child on the field or off. No legal issues, no DWI's. No dog fighting, etc., etc.

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[quote=redsk1;618525]This should be the "I'm so done with..." thread. Yes, I'm so done w/ CP, JC, Vinny, and our whole coaching staff. I'm ready for sweeping changes.[/quote]

I think that could pretty much be the title of every thread on this board. There's not a whole lot positive to say about this franchise right now.

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I think you may have Cooley colored glasses on. That's cool. You are a Cooley fan. Nothing wrong with that. But he has his short comings and is responsible for some of the bad play on he field this year. What absolves him from responsibility. Oh I know "Cooley goggles".

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618534]I think you may have Cooley colored glasses on. That's cool. You are a Cooley fan. Nothing wrong with that. But he has his short comings and is responsible for some of the bad play on he field this year. What absolves him from responsibility. Oh I know "Cooley goggles".[/quote]

He's been a Pro Bowl performer pretty much since he came in the league and he's widely regarded as one of the top guys at his position. That's not called "Cooley colored glasses", that's called reality. Is he perfect? Of course not. But who is?

You on the other hand seem to have it out for him, for some odd reason I can't seem to figure out nor does it make much sense. But have fun with that.

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Nice thread tearing down the best players we have...geesh.
[quote]Oct 29 RB Clinton Portis criticized the front office's lack of foresight in preparing for the season-ending injuries to aging, oft-injured linemen Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas. "We got to ... get some depth," Portis said. "We went into the season and we didn't address that issue and it came back to haunt us." Thomas, who tore his right triceps in Week 2, and Samuels, who suffered a likely career-ending neck injury in Week 5, each had two offseason surgeries and are 33 and 32, respectively. But executive vice president Vinny Cerrato gambled that they would make it through 2009 unscathed or that journeyman Jeremey Bridges and Mike Williams, out of football the past two years, would be ready to step in if the starters went down. Bridges was so shaky last summer that he was cut. Williams has been ineffective as a starter the past three games. Will Montgomery, who had made six career starts before Week 5 and was on the street last November, has taken Thomas' place while Williams has been at right tackle since Stephon Heyer shifted from that spot to replace Samuels. "The only mainstays from our opening day roster that's on that line are (center) Casey Rabach and (left guard) Derrick Dockery," Portis lamented. "Everyone else has been shuffled, moved, changed or injured. So we're playing with two guys that was originally the starters. (Just-signed tackle) Levi Jones (played a snap). We signed him five days ago. That's just the position we're in." The criticism resonates more from Portis than it would from another player since he is so close to owner Dan Snyder that he has jokingly been referred to as the team's assistant general manager.[/quote]

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5937/news]Clinton Portis - Washington Redskins - News - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]


Looks like he's a valuable part of the team, he's one of the only players actually saying exactly what we are and could actually get some changes made, mainly sending Cerrato packing.

He had 1,705 AP yards and 9 TDs last season, even with the destruction of the line in front of him...he still has it.

Just as Campbell or any QB couldn't succeed behind the lack of a line this season, neither can a RB, even one as good as Portis. Also keep in mind that this season until Lewis took over playcalling, he has being send to run a stretch play into 5 defenders who meet him in the backfield.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618534]I think you may have Cooley colored glasses on. That's cool. You are a Cooley fan. Nothing wrong with that. But he has his short comings and is responsible for some of the bad play on he field this year. What absolves him from responsibility. Oh I know "Cooley goggles".[/quote]

I really think you are pulling things out of nowhere regarding Cooley. I can probably name you five to ten other players in the team that have been more responsible for bad plays on the field this season...

Rabach
Heyer
ARE
Rogers
Portis
Moss (in the first couple of games)
Campbell

I mean you can have your criticism of Cooley (earlier in the season I criticized his ball security after he had a fumble go out of bounds) but I think your stretching the truth trying to make him out to be a team problem.

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My point is this. He drops passes, fumbles (more than Moss), and is not a very good blocker. I like Cooley, but I am sickeneed by people crticising Portis, Moss, and everybody else and not criticzing Cooley. He has cost us first downs and Cooley has turned the ball over. Stop with the blow up the roster mess, we need a young runnning back and rebuild the O-line. Keep Portis and the new young stub, that's how most teams do it. People are cherry picking performances.

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Now is the best time to move Portis. As 12th Man said earlier in this thread, and Pocket$ has said in other threads...better to move someone a year too early than a year too late

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When Cooley screws up, people call him on it. People have always called him on the fumbling.

And as Ruhskins says above, there are plenty of other guys more responsible for this mess.

Cooley has been one of the lone bright spots.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618544]My point is this. He drops passes, fumbles (more than Moss), and is not a very good blocker. I like Cooley, but I am sickeneed by people crticising Portis, Moss, and everybody else and not criticzing Cooley. He has cost us first downs and Cooley has turned the ball over. Stop with the blow up the roster mess, we need a young runnning back and rebuild the O-line. Keep Portis and the new young stub, that's how most teams do it. People are [B]cherry picking performances[/B].[/quote]

I think you are doing the same.

Furthermore, I don't understand the concept of defending some players (Portis, Moss) by criticizing another (Cooley). And why are you trying to make something out of nothing by making Cooley out to be the problem.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618544]My point is this. He drops passes, fumbles (more than Moss), and is not a very good blocker. I like Cooley, but I am sickeneed by people crticising Portis, Moss, and everybody else and not criticzing Cooley. He has cost us first downs and Cooley has turned the ball over. Stop with the blow up the roster mess, we need a young runnning back and rebuild the O-line. Keep Portis and the new young stub, that's how most teams do it. People are cherry picking performances.[/quote]

Cooley is a team guy, doesn't complain, produces in an offense w/out a good QB, good oline, and w/out a good coach. He's a top 7 or 8 TE in the league consistently. Since 2005, i think he's top 5 in catches. He's an adequate blocker, not below average.

So that's not cherry picking. That's facts. CP has produced no doubt, but i think his act has gotten a little old.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618544]My point is this. He drops passes, fumbles (more than Moss), and is not a very good blocker. I like Cooley, but I am sickeneed by people crticising Portis, Moss, and everybody else and not criticzing Cooley. He has cost us first downs and Cooley has turned the ball over. Stop with the blow up the roster mess, we need a young runnning back and rebuild the O-line. Keep Portis and the new young stub, that's how most teams do it. People are cherry picking performances.[/quote]

And you're not cherry picking with the dick pic?

I've got no problem with some constructive criticism, but taking an innocent mistake and spinning it into character issues is a bit extreme.

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You have to look at this from the perspective of the new coach coming in here. He's going to look at this team and perform triage, deciding what parts need scrapping and what we can work with for another year. Cooley and Moss fall in the later. Campbell and Portis are on the fence. The O-line, defensive backfield and receiving corps need the most attention. But some of these guys may be trade fodder for free agents or draft picks. It's not going to happen all at once. Personally I think Cooley stays.

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If Cerrato can do the same type of job with the O-line this coming off-season, like he did with he D-line last off-season, we good.

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You can not change the culture of that team with Portis still around. He is to close to ownership...he does and says what he wants...he practices when he wants...he's a terrible example for the other players. To put it simple...he is a team cancer.

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[quote=SmootSmack;618546]Now is the best time to move Portis. As 12th Man said earlier in this thread, and Pocket$ has said in other threads...better to move someone a year too early than a year too late[/quote]

Do you really believe Portis has any value in trade? He is one of the highest paid RB's in the league and it's pretty much a known fact that he's lost a step. I can't even see them getting a 7th round pick for him simply because no other team would pay that contract.

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I know everyone is down on CP, and I do think it's getting close to where we should look to move on from him, with a capable OL I think he can still be a very effective RB.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618534]I think you may have Cooley colored glasses on. That's cool. You are a Cooley fan. Nothing wrong with that. But he has his short comings and is responsible for some of the bad play on he field this year. What absolves him from responsibility. Oh I know "Cooley goggles".[/quote]
You deep in the bottle son?

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[quote=Mattyk72;618537]

You on the other hand seem to have it out for him, for some odd reason I can't seem to figure out nor does it make much sense. .[/quote]
penis envy

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[B]Cherry picking is my point.[/B] When I cherry pick a Pro Bowl player like Cooley, that's bad, but when everyone else cherry picks a Pro Bowl player like Portis, that's good. [B]Ung Munga [/B]!!!! That's my point I am making while having fun playing devil's advocate. Fact of the matter is, Portis is way more valuable to this team than Cooley. He has produced on a level as a RB that no TE can match on any team. Stop with the get rid of Moss and Portis. They are the Redskins plus Cooley on offense. Why punish them because we have no second option to releieve Portis, or a second receiver to take doubles off of Moss? Well actually we do have a second option at WR finally, but Zorn don't know what he doing.

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[B]MattyK72[/B]

I want to place a bet with you. If the Redskins win the next 3 games, which they will, then you give me the ability to post? How about it? I want to post in the non-football category. I want to truly explore [B]Trample the Elderly's [/B]philosophical dichotemy. [B]Tryfuhl[/B], glad you made your comments. Is it me or did Cooley look like a straight fruit cake while being carted off the field with his bright blonde hair do? LOL!!!

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[quote=Chevy13;618255]I don't completely agree with the article (The CP part) but here it is:
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-wornoutwelcomes102909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Chiefs' Johnson, others have worn out welcome - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

I think Portis has lost a step but I think he'd be doing a lot better if we had a better oline. I believe that the way the oline is playing makes him look worst than he really is.[/quote]

Because of the reasons expressed it's difficult to guage how much more effective he would be if circumstances were different.

The one thing that has tarnished Clinton's reputation more so than his production/or lack thereof is the fact he somehow continues to open himself up to controversy, brightning the spotlight and fueling more and more negative publicity. He still has value, but probably would be more effective in a reduced role.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;618583][B]MattyK72[/B]

I want to place a bet with you. If the Redskins win the next 3 games, which they will, then you give me the ability to post? How about it? I want to post in the non-football category. I want to truly explore [B]Trample the Elderly's [/B]philosophical dichotemy. [B]Tryfuhl[/B], glad you made your comments. Is it me or did Cooley look like a straight fruit cake while being carted off the field with his bright blonde hair do? LOL!!![/quote][IMG]http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg[/IMG]