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The first half of this move is long overdue but the 2nd half, putting Hall back there, doesn't make sense. Like others said our depth at corner isn't great and Hall's shown little flash in space. Thomas is my vote cuz he's an athletic freak, but Moss would be a better option than Hall as well.

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FINALLY!!!! Who wins the award for worst player on our team...I think the top 5:

1.ARE
2.Smoot
3.Reinhart
4.Heyer
5.M. Williams

Any suggestions?

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Antwaan Randle El represents everything that is wrong with this franchise. Typical overblown free agent with a huge salary that comes to Washington for his golden parachute while not having much incentive to actually produce.

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If R El is playing slot in Indy/Philly/Pats /N.O. , R EL would be putting up some nice numbers , his problem is the O-Line and revolving QB's we always have in DC .

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[quote=firstdown;619676]I'd say before they put Hall back there who has had fumble issues they might want to work on punt return blocking. Thats the real problem and its hard to make plays when your surounded by guys after every catch. Even last week when Hall & Moss got a chance they did very little with the return.[/quote]
The punt went out of bounds when Hall was back there.

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[quote=Beemnseven;619855]Antwaan Randle El represents everything that is wrong with this franchise. Typical overblown free agent with a huge salary that comes to Washington for his golden parachute while not having much incentive to actually produce.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. A perfect symbol of Synderatto's idiocy.

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[quote=Beemnseven;619855]Antwaan Randle El represents everything that is wrong with this franchise. Typical overblown free agent with a huge salary that comes to Washington for his golden parachute while not having much incentive to actually produce.[/quote]

I don't blame ARE. He's a good guy, a stand up guy with high character. I think his incentive is to do well and play hard, he's not like Brandon Lloyd or anything. He's just not worth what he's making. I blame Gibbs and Snyder for this one. Snyder for overpaying and Gibbs for wanting him here in the first place simply cause he had a good game against us in 04.

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[quote=skinsfan69;619882]I don't blame ARE. He's a good guy, a stand up guy with high character. I think his incentive is to do well and play hard, he's not like Brandon Lloyd or anything. He's just not worth what he's making. I blame Gibbs and Snyder for this one. Snyder for overpaying and Gibbs for wanting him here in the first place simply cause he had a good game against us in 04.[/quote]

I agree, solid guy and player. Just way overpaid but isn't that the norm around here?

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Randle El should have always been the slot receiver since the day he got here, and he might have been had Lloyd not been a colossal bust for us

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[quote=tryfuhl;619858]The punt went out of bounds when Hall was back there.[/quote]
Did the punt also go out of bounds when Moss was back there? I'm just saying watch the blocking this week and how the returner is always surounded by defenders.

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[quote=firstdown;619899]Did the punt also go out of bounds when Moss was back there? I'm just saying watch the blocking this week and how the returner is always surounded by defenders.[/quote]
Nope, but he went sideways and then fell on his ass as the defender approached. I do agree that our blocking needs to improve, it's needed to for years.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619889]Randle El should have always been the slot receiver since the day he got here, and he might have been had Lloyd not been a colossal bust for us[/quote]
But he threw for a TD in the Super Bowl!

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[quote=Chico23231;619833]FINALLY!!!! Who wins the award for worst player on our team...I think the top 5:

1.ARE
2.Smoot
3.Reinhart
4.Heyer
5.M. Williams

Any suggestions?[/quote]

Replace Smoot with Rogers he gets burnt and cant get a pick even when it hits his hands.

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this move should have been made in the beginning of last year and should be Devin Thomas. On redskins.com, there was a video that said that DT has been trying to put himself out there when the special teams practice by returning punts and kicks. Maybe he will show thru

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It's apparently not official that it would be Hall. He's currently part of a rotation of candidates

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[quote=Chico23231;619833]FINALLY!!!! Who wins the award for worst player on our team...I think the top 5:

1.ARE
2.Smoot
3.Reinhart
4.Heyer
5.M. Williams

Any suggestions?[/quote]

Eh. I don't think Reinhart deserves to be there. The guy's being asked to fill some pretty big shoes after not starting until this year. Smoot and Heyer stink something awful though but then again I'm biased to Smoot because I never thought he was very good in the first place. After this year Heyer should never have a starting job anywhere in the NFL. Dude's a 2nd stringer at best. ARE was just a bust after he came to DC. (Like so many of our FA acquistions tend to be)

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[url=http://www.fredericksburg.com/blogs/view?blogger_id=40&p=1257271767]Fredericksburg.com - Blogs: Rich Campbell - Zorn: Punt return by committee will continue[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;620009]Eh. I don't think Reinhart deserves to be there. The guy's being asked to fill some pretty big shoes after not starting until this year. Smoot and Heyer stink something awful though but then again I'm biased to Smoot because I never thought he was very good in the first place. After this year Heyer should never have a starting job anywhere in the NFL. Dude's a 2nd stringer at best. ARE was just a bust after he came to DC. (Like so many of our FA acquistions tend to be)[/quote]

The thing with Reinhart is people thought he was ready to take RT's guard position out of traning camp...REALLY??!! To have Montgomery beat him for playing time says a sh*t ton about our Oline...it is the worst in the league....

I think Devin Thomas needs to make the list after some thought

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[quote=Chico23231;620019]I think Devin Thomas needs to make the list after some thought[/quote]

DT showed some signs of live against Philly, even scored a TD. I would wait and see what he's got in the next couple of games before saying he sucks.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;620009]Eh. I don't think Reinhart deserves to be there. The guy's being asked to fill some pretty big shoes after not starting until this year. Smoot and Heyer stink something awful though but then again I'm biased to Smoot because I never thought he was very good in the first place. After this year Heyer should never have a starting job anywhere in the NFL. Dude's a 2nd stringer at best. [B]ARE was just a bust after he came to DC. [/B](Like so many of our FA acquistions tend to be)[/quote]

I don't think he's been a bust. He's done what he's always done which is be an average 3rd wr. I hope you weren't expecting an 80 catch 10td guy.

But he'll probably be gone next year and I hope Heyer and Williams are right behind him.

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About time! Anyone is better than Antwaan Randle-El. I am so tired of seeing him run like a crab, sideways.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619984]It's apparently not official that it would be Hall. He's currently part of a rotation of candidates[/quote]
Yeah I think even the article mentioned that.

Seems like they're going to do what they should've been doing in camp and the pre-season, figuring out who should be back there :doh:

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;620070]About time! Anyone is better than Antwaan Randle-El. I am so tired of seeing him run like a crab, sideways.[/quote]

Sometimes he runs backwards.

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ARE is symbolic of our FO in the last 10 years. Overpaid and under performed. He's a good dude, but he's just an average receiver. On special teams, he's below average.

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[quote=tryfuhl;620089]Yeah I think even the article mentioned that.

[B]Seems like they're going to do what they should've been doing in camp and the pre-season[/B], figuring out who should be back there :doh:[/quote]

I can't help but think these common sense changes are coming in part due to Sherm Lewis' extra eyes. I can't prove it, but it seems like the moves of the last few weeks have made much more sense.

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I like ARE, but it is about damn time they did this. If the guy ran east-west one more time I was going to scream.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;620118]I can't help but think these common sense changes are coming in part due to Sherm Lewis' extra eyes. I can't prove it, but it seems like the moves of the last few weeks have made much more sense.[/quote]

Whatever changes Lewis brought to the offense.. I sure hope we would see it on the field against Atlanta.. I could tell the play calling was [I]little[/I] different at eagles game; I'm hoping it's only because Lewis had a week to prepare, it will be three weeks for him until the Atlanta game.. Although our O-line could not block anything, it should still help the team out a little..

Edit: And that we would continue to see more of Thomas.. Davis is granted, Cooley's done for few weeks.. So we should see Davis pretty lot, especially in passing plays..

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;620118]I can't help but think these common sense changes are coming in part due to Sherm Lewis' extra eyes. I can't prove it, but it seems like the moves of the last few weeks have made much more sense.[/quote]

That sounds about right, something is going on hopefully it works

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randle el sucks, point blank

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[quote=Meks;620140]randle el sucks, point blank[/quote]

Thank you. It's a complete mystery to me why people want to keep giving him the benefit of doubt. He's done NOTHING for us. No, it's not his fault that he was overpaid. The only positive thing about his acquisition is that it was one of the few that didn't involve us parting with draft picks to get him.

I, for one will be glad when his overrated ass is gone in favor of somebody who gives a sh*t.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;620118]I can't help but think these common sense changes are coming in part due to Sherm Lewis' extra eyes. I can't prove it, but it seems like the moves of the last few weeks have made much more sense.[/quote]
I wouldn't doubt it... why the hell didn't Gibbs, Zorn, or Danny Smith do this beforehand though? I mean it's not like it's a RECENT issue

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[quote=Beemnseven;620148]Thank you. It's a complete mystery to me why people want to keep giving him the benefit of doubt. He's done NOTHING for us. No, it's not his fault that he was overpaid. The only positive thing about his acquisition is that it was one of the few that didn't involve us parting with draft picks to get him.

I, for one will be glad when his overrated ass is gone in favor of somebody who gives a sh*t.[/quote]

Thomas and Kelly are the ones that have done nothing if you want to talk about production.

If ARE was making the vet min would you think differently?

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[quote=Mattyk72;620173]Thomas and Kelly are the ones that have done nothing if you want to talk about production.

If ARE was making the vet min would you think differently?[/quote]

I would to be honest, but I still wouldnt want him to be back there as a punt returner. He just doesnt put fear in anyone now.

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[quote=Beemnseven;620148]Thank you. It's a complete mystery to me why people want to keep giving him the benefit of doubt. He's done NOTHING for us. No, it's not his fault that he was overpaid. The only positive thing about his acquisition is that it was one of the few that didn't involve us parting with draft picks to get him.

I, for one will be glad when his overrated ass is gone in favor of somebody who gives a sh*t.[/quote]

nothing for us? that's one of the dumbest things i have read on here, granted he is not a number two receiver, we got him for that position(not his fault) and he has done pretty damn good for us as far as a receiver, to say he has done nothing for us is just crazy to me, but as for special teams he should have been replaced two years ago he hasn't done much for us there and seems to be getting worse, but he has been a damn good receiver across the middle somthing we have lacked since lossing lav coles

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[quote=Wildcat;620225]anD A BUM[/quote]

Brett Favre is going to ruin your once in a lifetime season.

We got 3 RINGS. Our season hasn't been good but your whole franchise history you might want to look up, cause I'm sure youve just started watching football.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619889]Randle El should have always been the slot receiver since the day he got here, and he might have been had Lloyd not been a colossal bust for us[/quote]

It's almost like one bust leads to another!

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[quote=mlmdub130;620211]nothing for us? that's one of the dumbest things i have read on here, granted he is not a number two receiver, we got him for that position(not his fault) and he has done pretty damn good for us as far as a receiver, to say he has done nothing for us is just crazy to me, but as for special teams he should have been replaced two years ago he hasn't done much for us there and seems to be getting worse, but he has been a damn good receiver across the middle somthing we have lacked since lossing lav coles[/quote]

In terms of what he was supposed to do for our offense, he simply hasn't produced. Yes, he catches some passes. Occasionally he'll have a 6 or 7 catch game. Whoopee. Go back and listen to Gibbs rave about his abilities on special teams when we first signed him. ARE has been woefully inept as a punt returner.

And no, you cannot cite him as an example of a receiver who has been "pretty damn good" for us. In fact, outside of Moss, (and even he has been more down than up recently) you can't say that about ANY receiver for the Washington Redskins for years. Just look at our offense since 2006 -- what "damn good" contribution have you seen from Randle El? The offense has done nothing but suck balls.

Again, it's not his fault that he was signed and overpaid. As I said in my original post, he exemplifies the fallacy of the philosophy of this front office.

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[quote=warpaint;620204]I would to be honest, but I still wouldnt want him to be back there as a punt returner. He just doesnt put fear in anyone now.[/quote]

I don't want him on returns either, he should have been replaced a while ago.

However as a receiver he's not a horrible #3 guy. Granted he is way overpaid but that's a function of how our FO works. If he were a vet min guy I think people would look at him differently.

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The Redskins have a 10 year history under DS of signing has-beens at the end of there careers at the expense of draft picks and the salary cap (remember Dana Stubblefield, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, etc., etc.). It amazes me how every year the fans eat it up like we were just that one guy away from being a contender. Randle El is just one more example. No draft picks, but also no production. Unfortunately, rebuilding this team is going to be a long haul. When we do wise up and get some real football guys in charge, I hope the die-hards are ready for a long rebuilding process. Let's just hope the Danny can keep someone around long-enough to do it right.

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[quote=Mattyk72;620173]Thomas and Kelly are the ones that have done nothing if you want to talk about production.

If ARE was making the vet min would you think differently?[/quote]

Thomas and Kelly suck too. But that doesn't change the fact that Randle El has been a miserable free agent pickup. Can you think of one game since 2006 where we could collectively say, "thank goodness we signed Randle El, he REALLY came through for us today."

As far as his salary goes, it would be nice if we built this team with guys who are hungry, and eager to prove themselves as opposed to flashy guys who in the back of their minds know they will be well compensated no matter how they produce. Antwaan personifies that failed approach.