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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620135]Who cares, really? The only thing I'm concerned about is what he's going to do to fix it. If he keeps Vinny, I'm out. That man is a effing fool. Would any of you want Vinny choosing the next (fill-in-position) for your football team?[/quote]

I don't think Snyder is allowed to disclose that information in the middle of the season because then this team would become a full blown 3 ring circus (we're just setting up the big top right now). But yeah, I don't really think it was an apology... More like stating the obvious. It's not like he took responsibility for this mess.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;620132]I know when girls hurt my feelings, I pushed them in the mud... What's that mean? ANALYZE ME MR. FREUD![/quote]

It means that you secretly wish to mud wrestle your father but you can't admit this secret desire to yourself.

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[quote=Mattyk72;620058]I don't think he needs to apologize. Does anyone really think he's happy with losing?[/quote]

He needs to apologize for the way his goons treated fans at Fedex Field. That's personally offensive. Evidently, he doesn't feel that he should respect the opinions or even the personal space of others so he ended up apologizing for the wrong thing.

I suppose he thinks that his display of false humility will make everything all better between the fans and himself. It won't. Until he can start caring about other people and treating them with respect he'll continue to run afoul of the Redskins fan base.

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[quote=lotus;620141]it means that you secretly wish to mud wrestle your father but you can't admit this secret desire to yourself.[/quote]+ 1,567

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Most of all Snyder needs to apologize to Jim Zorn. This team became a real mess with the hiring of the "offensive consultant". That's on Snyder and VC. They undermine the coach and the team loses two straight.

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This "apology" is nonsense. If you read his comments very carefully, you'll find he's very deliberate with the word "we." At times he speaks of "we" when referring to the team's performance on the field. In other words, as much as it sounds like he's accepting responsibility, he's cleverly passing it off.

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Snyder is facing a full assault from the Washington media, both the newspapers, TV stations and "the fan" radio station. These things can influence public perception of him. Either put the fire out, or fuel it for ratings. If you live in the area, you know which route that they have taken. He is perceived as a vermin around DC and that is unfortunate. I think he will make the changes needed in the offseason and fully clean house. This is years in the making and I think he understands that Vinny has to go. G. Williams should have been promoted it and a real GM should have been brought here. It is that simple.

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[quote=Coff;620153]This "apology" is nonsense. If you read his comments very carefully, you'll find he's very deliberate with the word "we." At times he speaks of "we" when referring to the team's performance on the field. In other words, as much as it sounds like he's accepting responsibility, he's cleverly passing it off.[/quote]

Isn't 'he' a part of 'we'?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;620132]I know when girls hurt my feelings, I pushed them in the mud... What's that mean? ANALYZE ME MR. FREUD![/quote]
Stay classy! :tongue

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You guys really expect an owner, CEO, etc to come out and say "This is all my fault blah blah" or what? That's what Joe Gibbs was for... it ain't happening, get over it.

The most you'll get out of him is "We've brought in somebody to oversee football operations and be the hands-on guy to turn this team around." or whatever.

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[quote=Chico23231;620064]Agree. He is directly responsible for disgracing this franchise with his poor leadership. Its beyond embarrassement at this freakin point.[/quote]

Aman couldn't have said it better.

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If he's really sorry he'll send us a dozen red stemmed Chris Polians. Of course there are other varieties and they will be more then acceptable, but continuing to water that sorry excuse for a GM Cerrato will continue to be unacceptable.

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[quote=tryfuhl;620174][B]You guys really expect an owner, CEO, etc to come out and say "This is all my fault blah blah" or what? That's what Joe Gibbs was for... it ain't happening, get over it.[/B]

The most you'll get out of him is "We've brought in somebody to oversee football operations and be the hands-on guy to turn this team around." or whatever.[/quote]

don't you mean that's what zorn is for, and as for all the "we" talk it's just old danny showing his style of leadership and what this team needs and lacks acountability, and until we have that from top to bottom we aren't going anywhere and as much as we all would love to think this is rock bottom hold on to your seats cause you ain't seen nothing yet, just wait til dec 6 that's gonna be ugly

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[quote=mattyk72] I don't think he needs to apologize. Does anyone really think he's happy with losing? [/quote]

I agree. It was obvious from the start he is upset about the way we've played, but people should just be happy he came out and said something. I wouldn't give a crap if he never talked to the media, as long as he did something about it. Actions speak louder than words, which is why I don't care what Dan Snyder says as long as he does something about the state of this franchise.

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[quote=mlmdub130;620192]don't you mean that's what zorn is for, and as for all the "we" talk it's just old danny showing his style of leadership and what this team needs and lacks acountability, and until we have that from top to bottom we aren't going anywhere and as much as we all would love to think this is rock bottom hold on to your seats cause you ain't seen nothing yet, just wait til dec 6 that's gonna be ugly[/quote]

Well at first Zorn kept talking about execution. Now when everything isn't his fault he takes the blame. However I still blame him for not activating Marko Mitchell. It's one of those things were Zorn really should be a martyr, but not to the extent that he is now.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;620196]Well at first Zorn kept talking about execution. Now when everything isn't his fault he takes the blame. However I still blame him for not activating Marko Mitchell. It's one of those things were Zorn really should be a martyr, but not to the extent that he is now.[/quote]

i would kill some one to see marko mitchell on the feild although he would be miss used, like the eagles game when we threw a fade to randle el, i really hope we keep and use marko he has the potential to be a game breaker just gotta get him on the field

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[quote=mooby;620194]I agree. It was obvious from the start he is upset about the way we've played, but people should just be happy he came out and said something. I wouldn't give a crap if he never talked to the media, as long as he did something about it. Actions speak louder than words, which is why I don't care what Dan Snyder says as long as he does something about the state of this franchise.[/quote]

i know mlmpetert put this in another thread but snyder has talked before
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Q86Tu9ZHo]YouTube - A meeting of the Redskins front office[/ame]

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I'll accept your apology as soon as you fire vinny and zorn and let the next coach and GM run the team, and not yourself, along with getting draft picks and drafting for need and not want.

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ds ISN'T the skins problem, its NO Line and NO qb

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[quote=Wildcat;620214]ds ISN'T the skins problem, its NO Line and NO qb[/quote]

ds is the reason for both of those problems since he is the one who puts all the peices in place

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[quote=mlmdub130;620220]ds is the reason for both of those problems since he is the one who puts all the peices in place[/quote]

No that's VC, snyder just wants to win man, he will finally realize VC is trash

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[quote=Wildcat;620221]No that's VC, snyder just wants to win man, he will finally realize VC is trash[/quote]

again snyder put him there so it's on snyder again snyder doesn't know what he is doing he thinks it's fantasy get the best players on paper and you'll win, not the case in real life

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[quote=Wildcat;620221]No that's VC, snyder just wants to win man, he will finally realize VC is trash[/quote]


How do you know Snyder wants to win? Just because he pays out money to big FA names? Guy is smart, he has maximized his profit with a losing product year in year out in a NFL market that is rather small anymore. He could maximze jersey, sweatshirt, and cap sales, etc, with a SB run, but that is it. With a 5 year waiting period for season tickets they guy is already at maximum capacity with regards to filling the stadium. Have the Skins had a game blacked out yet due to poor attendance like the Lions always do? Snyder knows his "market" rather well. Keep em hooked with new coaches, schemes, hot FA signings and they will come and buy crap. Thing is you are in DC, the place where all the tax loot comes in to feed ungodly large bureacracies along with lobbyists, etc. My point is Detroiters and folks in SE Michigan and the rest of the rust belt do not have the time or money to waste on overpriced circuses in the form of crappy football. Snyder chose his market well. It is small, yet loaded with dough. Couple that with the fact that we are a bread and circuses society anymore and you have a no lose situation for Snyder unless Skins fans show some balls and quit caring.

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Only way Snyder is going to change is through hurting him where it counts, the pocketbook. The Fords finally got rid of Millen when they couldn't even sell out their new 60,000 seat stadium because of the crappy product they were putting on the field and it was an embarrassment to them. Snyder's "apology" was him trying to get the fans to think he gives a shit. To be honest I am not so sure he really does. The present predicament the team is in just fits into this "drama" he has created to keep things interesting and stirred up.

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I feel dumber for having read Snyder's comments. He thinks everyone in the organization is working real hard this year? I guess he just admitted to being one of the worst teams in league history, something on par w/ last year's Lions, because what we've seen from the FO on down to the players has resulted in 2-5 against winless opponents, outside the Iggles.

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[quote=SmootSmack;620065]He doesn't owe any apology. I don't need to hear from him, I don't care if he never speaks another word as long as he is owner. Talk means nothing, all he has to do is take action. He could tell us to go fuck ourselves for all I care, just take action to make the team better. As long as he does that, that's the only "apology" I need[/quote]

exactly. at this point talk is cheap. do what randy lerner is going to do and go out and get a highly qualified football man. i'm sure floyd reece will take your call.

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Fans are funny. Spend all season complaining that Snyder hasn't spoken...and when he does, it's not enough. Seriously, who cares what he says

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[quote=skinsfan69;620252]exactly. at this point talk is cheap. do what randy lerner is going to do and go out and get a highly qualified football man. [/quote]

100% agreed.

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If he makes preseason tix free again, I'll accept his apology. I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

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[quote=firstdown;620131]Its funny how many people want DS to say he failed more then anything else. Why? I think the product on the field spells a pretty loud FAILED all by it self. Then they wany Vinny fired in the middle of the season. Why? So we start winning and make the playoffs? It just does not make any sense to start throwing people under the bus im the middle of the season. Lets finish out the year and then start cleaning house. The only way I'd say fire VC right now would be because you have a new GM that can come in and start to look things over.[/quote]

I see no reason NOT to fire Vinny now. And the fact that it hasnt been done already is a little disconcerting to me. He brings nothing to the table for the rest of the season IMO. It makes perfect sense to bring in a qualified GM now and let them get a jump on the competition for an uncapped season next year. The only reason I can think of is that no qualified guys will sign mid-season because they want to see what other opportunities come up. We already have Cleveland as competion and they've one-upped us by firing their GM. Keeping Vinny here just means that he'll be making any decisions regarding injury-related signings for the rest of the season. My mother could do a better job. Give a monkey a dart board and get him the hell out of here.

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I was saying in one of the other threads here that I expected he'd break his media silence soon. But this "appology" is far short of what I expected. The fact that he really said nothing but "we're sorry" makes me think that he hasn't made any decisions on what to do yet. That is disturbing. I'm sure everyone is under tremendous pressure at Redskins Park right now. But DS needs to take more of the blame personally and needs to start making tough and drastic decisions now. We're not in the middle of a "disappointing season", we're in the middle of a disaster.

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[quote=firstdown;620131]Its funny how many people want DS to say he failed more then anything else. Why? I think the product on the field spells a pretty loud FAILED all by it self. Then they wany Vinny fired in the middle of the season. Why? So we start winning and make the playoffs? [B]It just does not make any sense to start throwing people under the bus im the middle of the season. Lets finish out the year and then start cleaning house.[/b] The only way I'd say fire VC right now would be because you have a new GM that can come in and start to look things over.[/quote]Uh huh, whatever, tell that to Jim Zorn.

This is a freak show that hasn't made sense since Gibbs 2.0 ended, the middle of THIS season is just putting it all on display.

FWIW I don't give a shit about what Snyder says at this pont.

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[quote=Luxorreb;620275]If he makes preseason tix free again, I'll accept his apology. I miss Jack Kent Cooke.[/quote]

yep, i miss a lot of things.

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[quote=ashvirtually;620281]Uh huh, whatever, tell that to Jim Zorn.

[B]This is a freak show that hasn't made sense since Gibbs 2.0 ended[/B], the middle of THIS season is just putting it all on display.

FWIW I don't give a shit about what Snyder says at this pont.[/quote]

Actually Gibbs 2.0 ending so suddenly partly contributed to this mess. Not to mention the multiple picks we lost through trades during this time.

That being said, I really don't care much for his apology but hey at least he's saying something. And I'm ok with things being cleaned out at the end of the season.

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I don't need an apology. An admission that the FO philosophy has been the wrong way to create a consistent winner would be much better, but I won't hold my breath waiting for that.

More importantly, the firing of Cerrato followed by the hiring of a legitimate GM with final say on personnel matters, with a focus on building quality, inexpensive depth through the draft would be much more substantive. I keep going back to two teams - New England and Philly. Both stockpile draft picks and have a deep pool of capable talent in every unit. They typically make opportunistic FA signings of proven vets, without throwing their future cap out of whack.

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[quote=Ruhskins;620318]Actually Gibbs 2.0 ending so suddenly partly contributed to this mess. [B]Not to mention the multiple picks we lost through trades during this time.[/B]

That being said, I really don't care much for his apology but hey at least he's saying something. And I'm ok with things being cleaned out at the end of the season.[/quote]And Gibbs should not be let off the hook for those trades - he had final say. A 3 and a 4 for Brandon Lloyd? Sure, why not, and while we're at it, tear up the last year of his contract and hand him $10M guaranteed. Another 3 and a 4 for Duckett? Absolutely, we prefer vets over draft picks!!! And don't forget letting Ryan Clark walk for peanuts compared to the record setting deal we gave Adam Archuleta on Gibbs watch - the worst FA signing in our history, and one of the worst ever for the entire NFL. Only Gibbs's ability as a leader on the sideline allowed him to overcome his spotty record in the FO. To me, Gibbs 2.0 had some moments, but ultimately was unfulfilling.

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[quote=SouperMeister;620321]I don't need an apology. [B]An admission that the FO philosophy has been the wrong way to create a consistent winner would be much better[/B], but I won't hold my breath waiting for that.

More importantly, the firing of Cerrato followed by the hiring of a legitimate GM with final say on personnel matters, with a focus on building quality, inexpensive depth through the draft would be much more substantive. I keep going back to two teams - New England and Philly. Both stockpile draft picks and have a deep pool of capable talent in every unit. They typically make opportunistic FA signings of proven vets, without throwing their future cap out of whack.[/quote]

I'm with ya there. I was one of those that said Snyder should be more visible at times, so I respect & appreciate his apology.

Is it enough? Of course not, but it's like any apology, it's a start.

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[quote=Ruhskins;620318][b]Actually Gibbs 2.0 ending so suddenly partly contributed to this mess.[/b] Not to mention the multiple picks we lost through trades during this time.

That being said, I really don't care much for his apology but hey at least he's saying something. And I'm ok with things being cleaned out at the end of the season.[/quote]Yeah, I agree with that; indeed, I think that was the prmary catalyst for this horror show going on with my beloved 'Skins right now, because for all his catch-as-catch-can decisions inre: the roster, Gibbs could get the team to at least play with some heart.

All I can add is that while I was and still am upset about hm leaving before his time because of the effect it had on the organization, I don't hold it against him. I think he took ST's death really hard and that coupled with his grandson's illness was just too much. IMO he had earned it.

But to excaberate the problem, Snyder and Vinny destroyed any continuity that could have been salvaged! Letting D. Williams go, not addressing the O-Line issues that have been apparent since 2005 (that one is on Gbbs, too), changing the entire offensive scheme, etc. - they took away a lot of stability that could have been salvaged when he decided to go.

I hope that as soon as this horrid season ends Snyder takes the right actions and let them speak for themselves. While I don't give jack about what he says, I take this break from his tradition of not speaking to the press during the season as a positive sign...

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[quote=firstdown;620107]You guys sound like a bunch of little girls who got their feelings hurt when the other little girls called them names. Now you want an apology and for them to tell mommy what they said so mommy can give you all a [B]big hugh[/B] and make you feel better.[/quote]

I know I don't want to be left out. Whatever a "big hugh" is? Is it free? If it's free I'll take two. ;)

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[quote=mlmdub130;620192]don't you mean that's what zorn is for, and as for all the "we" talk [B]it's just old danny showing his style of leadership[/B] and what this team needs and lacks acountability, and until we have that from top to bottom we aren't going anywhere and as much as we all would love to think this is rock bottom hold on to your seats cause you ain't seen nothing yet, just wait til dec 6 that's gonna be ugly[/quote]

If he was smart he would follow the Presidents Rule of Thumb.....as I do...

[I][B]1) Nixon:[/B] "I'm not a Cooke."[/I]

[I][B]2) Clinton:[/B] Flat out deny, "I did not hire Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When the public starts clammering...

[I][B]3) Bush SR:[/B] "Read my lips, I did not hire Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When evidence is mounting that you are lying....

[I][B]4) Reagan:[/B] "I don't recall hiring Vinny Cerrato."[/I]

When it's blatently obvious...

[I][B]5) Clinton:[/B] "Mistakes were made in hiring Cerrato."[/I]

[I][B]6) Bush JR:[/B] "I'm going to fixidate this here clusterphobia."[/I]

I hope this helps all of you....I know I apply these tried and true Presidental statements to everything if it's a disaster. I hope it helps you as well.....;)

Edit: I'm sorry I forgot the last one, offer food cause everyone likes food..

[I][B]7) Carter:[/B] "Would you like a peanut?"[/I]