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[quote=Angry;622508]Build it and they will come

Translation
Build the line and the yards will come.[/quote]

Build it and they will come.

Dan Snyder Translation:
Build a team and the dollars will come.

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[quote=Angry;622508]Build it and they will come

Translation
Build the line and the yards will come.[/quote]

With our FO? keep dreamin.

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[quote=atomicnixon;622509]Build it and they will come.

Dan Snyder Translation:
Build a team and the dollars will come.[/quote]

Snyder's been listening to the wrong baseball field. His field has been saying "Create an offseason frenzy and the money will come"

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[quote=Skinny Tee;622306][B]We're too financially vested in him to do either of those.[/B] The only we can hope for is that the CBA doesn't get signed and we go into an uncapped year where we can release players with no ill effect.

I don't think this is a complete reflection on Portis's ability. From the looks of it we made adjustments at half and didn't give up on the run. Atlanta seemed prepared for some pass heavy offense so we could get back into the game.

We did manage to run better in the 2nd half though. I can't completely put that on Portis given the circumstances.[/quote]

You ain't kiddin. Snyder doesn't need an uncapped NFL to win, he needs an uncapped NFL just to keep the roster from completely collapsing. Portis will be on the books bigtime for years and will likely never contribute anything more to the franchise.

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Portis is here next year. But no reason not to bring in a starter. Portis has no speed, doesn't practice and throws Sellers under the bus. If I'm the boss Betts starts rest of the season til he starts fumbling.

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Problem with the other backs is that they don't block nearly as well as Portis does. Other than that I was really surprised to see how well Betts and Cartwright played. They really showed up and we actually had a running game that took some pressure off of Jason Campbell unlike in games past where the running game was virtually non-existent.

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[quote=Ruhskins;622213]Well at least on this game I would lay the blame on the defense not being able to hold up and for having game injuries catch up at the end.[/quote]

Maybe if they could play with a lead just once. Not surprising that the D is starting to wear down after having to play with that pathetic Offense all year.

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I noticed too that we were more effective with the run when Betts and Rock were in. Can't say it is all of Portis's issue there is a lot more going on but it did make me wonder if it is not time to start relying on others.

Loved seeing all the anti Snyder/Vinny signs at the Georgia Dome!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;622306]We're too financially vested in him to do either of those. [B]The only we can hope for is that the CBA doesn't get signed and we go into an uncapped year where we can release players with no ill effect.[/B]

I don't think this is a complete reflection on Portis's ability. From the looks of it we made adjustments at half and didn't give up on the run. Atlanta seemed prepared for some pass heavy offense so we could get back into the game.

We did manage to run better in the 2nd half though. I can't completely put that on Portis given the circumstances.[/quote]

That's a good point -- we all talk as though it isn't going to be signed.

But what if they do sign it? That's going to crush the dreams of quite a few Redskins fans, and those within the organization too.

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I think people today realized it for the first time. Portis is holding us back because he isn't as quick as he used to be and he can't find the holes. The allegedly poor o-line that can't block for CP sure looked good yesterday when Betts and Cartwright were eating up yards...

This could be a blessing in disguise for the redskins if CP is out for a few games. Betts sure looked good.

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Above all, the OL is holding this team back. That's been the story all year. Let's not get distracted based on one half where we ran the ball effectively.

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clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?

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[quote=CantonLegend;622721]clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?[/quote]

I think if you look at a pound for pound, I'd say either Orakpo or Andre Carter. Well, I'd throw London Fletcher in there too. But right now, I'm leaning towards Orakpo as the best Redskin.

He'll also probably end up getting DROY.

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[quote=12thMan;622731]I think if you look at a pound for pound, I'd say either Orakpo or Andre Carter. Well, I'd throw London Fletcher in there too. But right now, I'm leaning towards Orakpo as the best Redskin.

He'll also probably end up getting DROY.[/quote]

really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point

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[quote=CantonLegend;622746]really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players [B]who do their work and get very little media attention[/B]....portis is one of those guys but i guess [B]im completely missing the point[/B][/quote]

You are completely missing the point. As much as I want to like Portis it's kinda hard to have much respect for him. Granted, he's not a Chad Johnson or T.O. or L. Johnson or any other locker room cancer; but he has had his share of situations where he causes controversy. Portis has twice had verbal/media spats with coaches (Gibbs and Zorn), he seems to have a close (or used to) relationship with Snyder and many feel that this allows him to act the way he is; he doesn't practice; he threw Sellers under the bus and demanded that he'd be benched.

Portis has been a great player and as a fan I will never forget what he has done for the team. However, he lacks the leadership and discipline to be the face of the franchise, and unfortunately he seems to be the face of the franchise.

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[quote=CantonLegend;622746]really? a rookie outside LB that gets about 3 tackles per game is better than an all pro running back? nah im not eating that

london fletcher would've been a better argument but if thats the best then im completely biased towards clinton portis

i have a lot of respect for players who do their work and get very little media attention....portis is one of those guys but i guess im completely missing the point[/quote]

And he also has, what, six sacks this year. And he constantly get's pressure on the QB. Yeah, I'm sticking with BO. Umm..Clinton Portis is hardly a pro bowl running back anymore. I bet if Portis got cut today, only a handful of teams would try to pick him up as evidence of that.

I think you could make an argument for Fletch, but I think Orakpo is having more of an impact season, where as Fletch is more consistent and steady at what he does.

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[quote=Ruhskins;622750]You are completely missing the point. As much as I want to like Portis it's kinda hard to have much respect for him. Granted, he's not a Chad Johnson or T.O. or L. Johnson or any other locker room cancer; but he has had his share of situations where he causes controversy. Portis has twice had verbal/media spats with coaches (Gibbs and Zorn), he seems to have a close (or used to) relationship with Snyder and many feel that this allows him to act the way he is; he doesn't practice; he threw Sellers under the bus and demanded that he'd be benched.

Portis has been a great player and as a fan I will never forget what he has done for the team. However, he lacks the leadership and discipline to be the face of the franchise, and unfortunately he seems to be the face of the franchise.[/quote]

fwiw....the outside world doesnt get to look at all the problems that you say portis is causing....im sure as a fan you cant help but look down on him for creating problems all by himself but look at the franchise as a whole

the entire thing is a mess.....the owner is goof....the GM is falling apart.....the head coach is getting called out and getting relieved of his duties as a head coach......remember all of these opinions are from an outsider looking in

he is doing the same thing that you guys are doing IMO......blaming everything on everybody until something is done.....its unfortunate to see such a proud franchise fall apart so quickly but change needs to happen quickly and it needs to start from the top down......the players are not as much the problem as the FO is

the one thing the organization is doing is keeping all these little outbursts in house because like i said........i had no idea about any of his actions off the field

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[quote=12thMan;622755]And he also has, what, six sacks this year. And he constantly get's pressure on the QB. Yeah, I'm sticking with BO. Umm..Clinton Portis is hardly a pro bowl running back anymore. I bet if Portis got cut today, only a handful of teams would try to pick him up as evidence of that.

I think you could make an argument for Fletch, but I think Orakpo is having more of an impact season, where as Fletch is more consistent and steady at what he does.[/quote]

5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step

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[quote=CantonLegend;622757]fwiw....the outside world doesnt get to look at all the problems that you say portis is causing....im sure as a fan you cant help but look down on him for creating problems all by himself but look at the franchise as a whole

the entire thing is a mess.....the owner is goof....the GM is falling apart.....the head coach is getting called out and getting relieved of his duties as a head coach......remember all of these opinions are from an outsider looking in

he is doing the same thing that you guys are doing IMO......blaming everything on everybody until something is done.....its unfortunate to see such a proud franchise fall apart so quickly but change needs to happen quickly and it needs to start from the top down......the players are not as much the problem as the FO is

the one thing the organization is doing is keeping all these little outbursts in house because like i said........i had no idea about any of his actions off the field[/quote]

Just to be clear, Portis is by no stretch a trouble maker, disgruntled employee, or a locker room cancer. Some of his comments and the timing of them may be questionable, but I don't think there's a Redskin or very few Redskins fans that would question his heart and motivation and commitment to the team.

I think his production on the field and where he stands with the team are two separate arguments. I personally think he's done as an athlete, but I also believe he loves being a Redskin.

But this is what you get when you're a losing team; everything is magnified. There's an old saying that winning cures all. When the Redskins were winning, Portis was pretty much the same guy you see right now. I don't think he's changed at all.

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[quote=Mattyk72;622621]Above all, the OL is holding this team back. That's been the story all year. Let's not get distracted based on one half where we ran the ball effectively.[/quote]

yup... 5 first half sacks... cant all be blamed on campbell. o-line is an epic fail this season, and campbell and portis are taking heat for it (dont get me wrong though, im still not a huge JC fan)

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Portis isn't our top player but with our OL in shambles it's tough to tell how much is on him vs. the line. Plus he's had some lingering ankle issues that have probably slowed him down.

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[quote=Mattyk72;622776]Portis isn't our top player but with our OL in shambles it's tough to tell how much is on him vs. the line. Plus he's had some lingering ankle issues that have probably slowed him down.[/quote]

im one of the guys that believes the running game is based solely on the offensive lines ability to block......every running back in the NFL is talented but the great running backs are usually the ones with the good blockers in front.....for instance

shaun alexander
LT
Emmitt Smith
Adrian Peterson

im not trying to take anything away from them but there is a rumor going around about after RBs turn 30 they go downhill......the truth is that after a RB plays in the league for 6 to 8 years they turn 30......the team is not the same after 6 to 8 years

the offensive line is not the same after 6 to 8 years.....the coaches are usually not the same after 6 to 8 years

RBs dont automatically fall on the slippery slope.......it takes a series of events for the RB to drop off....and its usually not the RBs fault

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[quote=CantonLegend;622768]5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league.......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step[/quote]

Look, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you thinking about putting Portis on your fantasy team or something? Clinton could break out next week for a buck fifty and I'd feel the same. It's just plain old wear and tear. He's knees are wearing out, his ankles are bothering him, and as a consequence he's lost a step or two. He ain't what he used to be and he's not by a long shot the best Redskin. Period. But that's just my opinion.

Even if ends up with a thousand yards this year, so what?

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[quote=12thMan;622783]Look, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you thinking about putting Portis on your fantasy team or something? Clinton could break out next week for a buck fifty and I'd feel the same. It's just plain old wear and tear. He's knees are wearing out, his ankles are bothering him, and as a consequence he's lost a step or two. He ain't what he used to be and he's not by a long shot the best Redskin. Period. But that's just my opinion.

Even if ends up with a thousand yards this year, so what?[/quote]

im not trying to get at anything other than saying you guys are jumping the guns on arguably your best player

if portis gets over 1000 yards it proves he hasnt lost his ability to run the ball....it proves that even tho you're not a fan, that the hate on him is pretty much unjustified.......there are backs all around the league that would kill for a 1000 yard season

portis has rushed for over 1000 yards in 6 of his 7.5 seasons....im not sure why you dont think hes lost a step when last season he was only 13 yards short of having his 4th 1500 yard season in 7 seasons last year

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[quote=CantonLegend;622768]5.5 sacks on the year with 2 of them coming against atlanta

im not going to discount what orakpo has done [B]but 5.5 sacks isnt that impressive around the league[/B].......there are 10 players around the league with more sacks and 3 tied with 5.5

clinton portis is currently 14th in rushing in the league and considering he got injured against the falcons and didnt get to increase his total, id say he is doing a fine job

portis was a pro bowler last season......he was an all pro last season......he has only lost a step IMO because the franchise itself has lost a step[/quote]

I would call leading all rookies in sacks impressive.

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[quote=Lotus;622796]I would call leading all rookies in sacks impressive.[/quote]

sure.....defensive rookie of the year? probably not because he only has 26 tackles on the season

he has shawn merrimanitis.......good pass rusher, not good at much else....at least statistically thats what he looks like

brian cushing has 78 tackles for houston

actually......london fletcher has 75 tackles including a sack

andre carter has 1 sack more than orakpo and 10 more tackles

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[quote=CantonLegend;622721]clinton portis has gone over 1000 yards the past 2 seasons and has nearly 500 yards this season already behind the offensive line that is giving jason campbell fits

maybe im missing the big picture as an outsider but it seems like this is a case of disappointed fans looking for a person to blame the season on

i know a couple of you guys said he isnt the best player on the team, so i was wondering who you guys thought is the best player?[/quote]

Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.

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I was about to post a thread about Betts till I saw this one. Betts, who some here say sucks, looked the same as he always has to me - quick to the hole, straight ahead runner, but sometimes lost in protection. I was always surprised when people here said he'd gotten slow. He just hasn't had many carries.

He looks better than CP, though I know the o line woke up for the 2nd half & he benefited. Every year the coaches, whether Al Saunders in the past or S. Smith this year, say in camp how good he looks & how they want to use him. Then come game time he gets in on 3rd downs + 1 or 2 carries. It's never made sense to me, he deserves more carries even when CP is healthy.

I honestly think Portis getting all the carries has something to do w/his relationship to the Danny. Otherwise, this year it just doesn't make much sense. Regardless of the poor o line, he's looked slow & indecisive.

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[quote=CantonLegend;622790]im not trying to get at anything other than saying you guys are jumping the guns on arguably your best player

if portis gets over 1000 yards it proves he hasnt lost his ability to run the ball....it proves that even tho you're not a fan, that the hate on him is pretty much unjustified.......there are backs all around the league that would kill for a 1000 yard season

portis has rushed for over 1000 yards in 6 of his 7.5 seasons....im not sure why you dont think hes lost a step when last season he was only 13 yards short of having his 4th 1500 yard season in 7 seasons last year[/quote]

Jumping the gun? Hating on Portis? Dude, what are you talking about? We've been watching Portis for five years+. It's not like we woke up last week and said Portis is done. It is what it is. The stats you point out is precisely the reason he's not as good as he used to be. Running backs, generally speaking, have a five year shelf life. And the more you pound them, the more you cut into their effectiveness later down the road.

A 1,000 yard season is hardly the metric for good backs anymore. It's probably closer to 1,300-1,400 with another couple of hundreds yards in receiving to go with it. Those are the numbers of marquee running back in the NFL. Nowadays you can throw any old Joe out there and gain 1,000 yards. It means nothing.

I don't think either team playing in last year's Super Bowl had a thousand yard rusher. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

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[quote=44Deezel;622829]Portis is one of the few backs that gets almost ALL of his team's carries. Most teams are smart enough to platoon their RBs, thus utilizing all of their weapons, keeping their personnel fresh all season and giving opposing Defenses more to prepare for. There are several teams with 2 RBs better than Portis.

Portis' numbers are not impressive at all, especially considering how much he gets paid. Running Back is one of the most irrelevant positions in football, yet the Skins highest paid player on Offense is a Running Back. No wonder there's no depth across the O line. Cheap, young and hungry is what your RB should be.[/quote]

portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis

[quote=12thMan;622851]Jumping the gun? Hating on Portis? Dude, what are you talking about? We've been watching Portis for five years+. It's not like we woke up last week and said Portis is done. It is what it is. The stats you point out is precisely the reason he's not as good as he used to be. Running backs, generally speaking, have a five year shelf life. And the more you pound them, the more you cut into their effectiveness later down the road.

A 1,000 yard season is hardly the metric for good backs anymore. It's probably closer to 1,300-1,400 with another couple of hundreds yards in receiving to go with it. Those are the numbers of marquee running back in the NFL. Nowadays you can throw any old Joe out there and gain 1,000 yards. It means nothing.

I don't think either team playing in last year's Super Bowl had a thousand yard rusher. Correct me if I'm wrong though.[/quote]

in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough? only twice in his entire career has he ever failed to reach 1300 yards....one of them was a 1200 yard season and the other he only played 8 games

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out

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[quote=Longtimefan;622252]We've talked a lot about Portis and the various problems he presents, but with all the other many thing going wrong with this team he's just a small portion. Discipline is a serious issue with this team.[/quote]


Portis is part of the reason that dicipline is lacking. When/if anything goes along in a way he doesn't like, he calls Danny Boy and puts pressure on the coach/coaches who are doing things he doesn't like.


He also complained about the abilities of his OL last year saying that he would love to run behind a good OL for a season or two. That really helped the coaches form a solid and cohesive unit.


Clinton Portis was a very talented running back. He is seriously on the decline now. At the top of his game, it was probably worth putting up with his "diva act" because of his productivity on Sunday. Now he is still a diva and his productivity is headed down.


A good message for the rest of these guys would be to dress Portis and then not play him a single down in a game. But it won't happen... :(

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I love what Portis has done in the past. He is not the back he used to be. It was obvious that the running game picked up when he left. Betts and Cartwright were hitting the holes at full speed, not falling down. I think Portis time in Washington is over. Redskin 2010 wish list, tackle, guard, quarterback, running back, linebacker, free safety.

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[quote=CantonLegend;622962]portis is getting paid to get all the carries.....other teams split up the carries because they split up the money......portis has earned his paycheck and his carries

his numbers are not impressive? does he have to lead the league in rushing for his numbers to be impressive? does he have to break 10 tackles every play for him to be impressive? the team is terrible, not portis



in fact......the only backup in the league that has more yardage than him is ahmad bradshaw......every other back in front of him is the main benificiary of carries on their respective team.....and only 2 have less carries than him.....portis is an elite back in this league whether you think he is or not....i shouldnt have to explain this to redskins fans

you guys say that 1000 yards isnt a good measuring stick for running backs anymore so what is? if hes getting over 1400 yards is that enough? what is enough?

you guys are missing my point completely......for some reason you think he is washed up but just last season he was 4th in rushing behind only AP, michael turner, and deangello williams.....3 of the elite backs in the league right now

portis is capable of carrying your team but because you guys are losing you are failing to see his value

normally i couldnt care less if another team bashes one of their own players.....but this is completely unjustified....you guys are just looking for scapegoats but you are looking in the wrong places

landry? portis? come on....they are 2 of your better players....it shouldnt take a saints fan to point that out[/quote]

I don't remember ever talking to you before today, so I don't know who you're accusing of bashing. I have my opinion and you have yours. That's fine. Go through my posts and tell me where I bashed Clinton Portis. And for those that are bashing him, who really cares. People are upset. We come here to vent. Portis is a big boy and we greatly appreciate all that he's done as a Washington Redskin.

But I find it ironic that a New Orleans Saints fan, a perennial loser with a history of fans wearing bags on their faces, calling their team the ain'ts, not one Super Bowl appearance --ever-- and an overrated Reggie Bush, would come to a Redskin board and tell us what's bashing and what's not. But whatever fries your egg, I guess.

Let me make this as plain as possible for you.

[B]Clinton Portis is no longer an elite running back in the National Footbal League. He's not even the core of this team anymore. [/B]

You can dig as deep into the stats and spin the fan psychology here all all you want. Are there contributing factors to Portis' decline, of course there are. Skim the first three or four threads and you'll find plenty. No one here is denying that. But, in my opinion, Clinton Portis' day of carrying this offense are over. Does he have another 1,000 yard season in him, perhaps. Centerpiece of the offense, no.

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[quote=Mattyk72;622439]huh??[/quote]

this offseason someone made a thread saying portis isnt worth the money or headache. i kinda agreed with him saying the skisn were dumb to re-negogiate his K and guarantee so much money to a runningback (which seems to be the easiest position to replace nowadays).

i also said Cp only gets as many yards as the Oline clears for him.

i and the OP were greeted with a bunch of "if you think portis is a prob then you dont know football" or "yeah lets blame our 1500 yd back" responses.

idk its alil frustrating to be criticized for stating an opinion then (seemingly) having the masses who once criticized your football iq start agreeing with you.

no big deal, i was drunk and alil aggitated by the game.

i also think portis and moss dont try 110% for the past few seasons and i question their heart compared to guys like fletcher. i am greeted with responses like "there is no stat for heart" or "its just silly to question a guys heart" . .

basically this season has made me a lil jaded and i do apologize.

go skins!!

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[quote=12thMan;622987]I don't remember ever talking to you before today, so I don't know who you're accusing of bashing. I have my opinion and you have yours. That's fine. Go through my posts and tell me where I bashed Clinton Portis. And for those that are bashing him, who really cares. People are upset. We come here to vent. Portis is a big boy and we greatly appreciate all that he's done as a Washington Redskin. [/quote]

i wasnt responding to just you.....i was making a note to everyone who was bashing portis

[quote]But I find it ironic that a New Orleans Saints fan, a perennial loser with a history of fans wearing bags on their faces, calling their team the ain'ts, not one Super Bowl appearance --ever-- and an overrated Reggie Bush, would come to a Redskin board and tell us what's bashing and what's not. But whatever fries your egg, I guess.[/quote]

lol.....first of all....i didnt get a chance to live through the bag days but ive done my share of bashing players on my favorite teams just like the rest of you....im here because i was invited by a nice poster who stumbled on to my home site blackandgold.com last season.....i cant recall his username because the site went down and we lost all of our private and public messages.....i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season

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[quote=CantonLegend;623013]i wasnt responding to just you.....i was making a note to everyone who was bashing portis



lol.....first of all....i didnt get a chance to live through the bag days but ive done my share of bashing players on my favorite teams just like the rest of you....im here because i was invited by a nice poster who stumbled on to my home site blackandgold.com last season.....i cant recall his username because the site went down and we lost all of our private and public messages.....i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season[/quote]

No worries. We're a little sensitive around here these days.

I still think we're going to whoop that ass when we play the Saints.

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portis still has a headache, something he has been good at bringing to this organization. i know the feeling every sunday watching this awful mess.

portis best days in dc are long gone.

betts did a fine job. i expect the same again this week against the broncos.

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[quote=CantonLegend;623013]i thought i would be able to offer an outsiders view of things for everyone and maybe put my 2 cents in where i could

i didnt mean to offend you......sorry for your team stinking this season[/quote]

Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history :)

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[quote=Zerohero;623105]Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history :)[/quote]

He's already been reminded:)

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Zerohero;623105]Good job at failing from your outside view then. Like others have said Portis is not even close to the player he was, even last year it was so obvious his stock was falling. You can't just look at stats, gotta watch the game.

Every game was carbon copy. Big hole, decent run. Small hole, 2 yards. No hole, no gain. Average two minor injuries a game, not enough to miss games but just enough to ineffective the majority of the time. Throw in your costly gamebreaking fumble about every other game and you have Portis the last two years.

Yeah and dont throw in a "Oh sorry your team sucks right now". You will be reminded of your franchise's history :)[/quote]

i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year